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Elijah Baley

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Nov 20, 2009, 12:45:04 PM11/20/09
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ks

Nuff said. And to think, just a decade ago, Mike was making
condescending statements about Apple.

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BallCock

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Nov 20, 2009, 2:30:07 PM11/20/09
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"Elijah Baley" <li...@foundation.org> wrote in message
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> http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091120-708851.html?mod=rss_Hot_Stoc
> ks
>
> Nuff said. And to think, just a decade ago, Mike was making
> condescending statements about Apple.

Just think you Moron, Mike has more money than Steve Jobs. Twice as much,
and he charges 1/3rd of what Jobs does.

Stupidity should be terminal.


Snit

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Nov 20, 2009, 2:36:27 PM11/20/09
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BallCock stated in post Y6CNm.30788$X01....@newsfe07.iad on 11/20/09 12:30
PM:

What does Dell charge 1/3 the price of?


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Fa-groon

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Nov 20, 2009, 3:17:08 PM11/20/09
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:30:07 -0800, BallCock wrote
(in article <Y6CNm.30788$X01....@newsfe07.iad>):

Then how come his business model is failing miserably and Apple is worth more
money than Dell?

BallCock

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"Fa-groon" <fa-g...@mad.com> wrote in message
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With $12 Billion in the bank, would you give a fuck if your business was
diminishing?


BallCock

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Nov 20, 2009, 3:43:11 PM11/20/09
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"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
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A Liver.


Snit

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Nov 20, 2009, 3:45:33 PM11/20/09
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BallCock stated in post sbDNm.4591$kY2....@newsfe01.iad on 11/20/09 1:43
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Thank you.


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Steve Carroll

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Nov 20, 2009, 3:53:24 PM11/20/09
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On Nov 20, 1:42 pm, "BallCock" <B...@att.net> wrote:
> "Fa-groon" <fa-gr...@mad.com> wrote in message

>
> news:0001HW.C72C3944...@news.giganews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:30:07 -0800, BallCock wrote
> > (in article <Y6CNm.30788$X01.4...@newsfe07.iad>):
>
> >> "Elijah Baley" <l...@foundation.org> wrote in message
> >>news:lije-FE91C5.1...@news.giganews.com...
> >>>http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091120-708851.html?mod=rss_Hot_...

> >>> ks
>
> >>> Nuff said. And to think, just a decade ago, Mike was making
> >>> condescending statements about Apple.
>
> >> Just think you Moron, Mike has more money than Steve Jobs. Twice as much,
> >> and he charges 1/3rd of what Jobs does.
>
> >> Stupidity should be terminal.
>
> > Then how come his business model is failing miserably and Apple is worth
> > more
> > money than Dell?
>
> With $12 Billion in the bank, would you give a fuck if your business was
> diminishing?

So your point is that Mike doesn't care about his company or his
employees... got it.

BallCock

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Nov 20, 2009, 6:38:33 PM11/20/09
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"Steve Carroll" <fret...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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His employees are still working.

As for his shareholders - speculation is rife with danger.

The question is, if you had his $12 Bil instead of your two nickels, what
would you be doing?

FYI; Your piece of shit newsreader doesn't quote. Do you have the brain to
fix it?


Fa-groon

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Nov 20, 2009, 6:38:42 PM11/20/09
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:42:33 -0800, BallCock wrote
(in article <SaDNm.28270$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad>):

Actually, yes, I would. One of the problems with Capitalism is that the
concept of "Noblis Oblige" no longer seems to apply, and, historically it
never did. For a brief moment after the Great Depression, companies gave it
lip service, but after the 1960's that quickly went away. Michael Dell
started a business, hired people to do the work, and engendered some level of
loyalty in his employees. Then, when the business goes south, It's suddenly
"Too bad that you no longer have a job but I don't care. I have a bundle and
can live in indolent ease the rest of my life, it doesn't matter to me that
my business has failed." He feels no sense of real obligation to either the
organization that he founded or the people who made him rich. And folks
wonder why I'm a Marxist!

Snit

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Nov 20, 2009, 6:49:49 PM11/20/09
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BallCock stated in post RLFNm.28286$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad on 11/20/09 4:38
PM:

>>> Then how come his business model is failing miserably and Apple is worth
>>> more money than Dell?
>>>
>> With $12 Billion in the bank, would you give a fuck if your business was
>> diminishing?
>>
> So your point is that Mike doesn't care about his company or his employees...
> got it.
>
> His employees are still working.
>
> As for his shareholders - speculation is rife with danger.
>
> The question is, if you had his $12 Bil instead of your two nickels, what
> would you be doing?
>
> FYI; Your piece of shit newsreader doesn't quote. Do you have the brain to
> fix it?

Google Groups is likely the only place that will let Steve still post:

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BallCock

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Nov 20, 2009, 8:47:41 PM11/20/09
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"Fa-groon" <fa-g...@mad.com> wrote in message
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Try to understand that this is not meant to be insulting or personal.

I don't give a fuck what you think or do.


wetpixel

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Nov 21, 2009, 1:33:07 AM11/21/09
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In article <SaDNm.28270$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad>, BallCock
<BC...@att.net> wrote:

Of course I would -- but a child-like mind like yours wouldn't
understand that adults often value something other than wealth.

You mischaracterized the difference in price and the difference in
products vastly; clearly, you have either little knowledge or far too
much attitude.

Fa-groon

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Nov 21, 2009, 3:54:32 AM11/21/09
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:47:41 -0800, BallCock wrote
(in article <WEHNm.19437$ET3....@newsfe17.iad>):

Then why did you ask me the question: "...would you give a fuck if your
business was diminishing?"

Seems to me that you're not making much sense, here. You ask me a question
and then tell me that you don't give a f___k about my answer? This causes me
to ask you the question, if you don't care about the viewpoints of others,
why engage in a conversation with them?

BallCock

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Nov 21, 2009, 7:09:05 AM11/21/09
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"Fa-groon" <fa-g...@mad.com> wrote in message
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I was looking for a yes or no answer. Not a thesis on how Michael Dell
should conduct himself.


BallCock

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Nov 21, 2009, 7:15:10 AM11/21/09
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"wetpixel" <wetp...@news.news> wrote in message
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> In article <SaDNm.28270$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad>, BallCock
> <BC...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> "Fa-groon" <fa-g...@mad.com> wrote in message
>> news:0001HW.C72C3944...@news.giganews.com...
>> > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:30:07 -0800, BallCock wrote
>> > (in article <Y6CNm.30788$X01....@newsfe07.iad>):
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Elijah Baley" <li...@foundation.org> wrote in message
>> >> news:lije-FE91C5.1...@news.giganews.com...
>> >>> http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091120-708851.html?mod=rss_Hot_Stoc
>> >>> ks
>> >>>
>> >>> Nuff said. And to think, just a decade ago, Mike was making
>> >>> condescending statements about Apple.
>> >>
>> >> Just think you Moron, Mike has more money than Steve Jobs. Twice as
>> >> much,
>> >> and he charges 1/3rd of what Jobs does.
>> >>
>> >> Stupidity should be terminal.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Then how come his business model is failing miserably and Apple is
>> > worth
>> > more
>> > money than Dell?
>>
>> With $12 Billion in the bank, would you give a fuck if your business was
>> diminishing?
>>
>>
>
> Of course I would -- but a child-like mind like yours wouldn't
> understand that adults often value something other than wealth.

Your statement shows how little you really understand. With $12 Bil what is
someone to do, try for the record of richest dead guy?
Your simple mind doesn't grasp the fact that a business is only a vehicle
toward wealth. Ask any Apple shareholder.

>> You mischaracterized the difference in price and the difference in
> products vastly; clearly, you have either little knowledge or far too
> much attitude.

Your problem is common. The misdirected mindset that the same product,
doing the same job, with a different label at a higher price, is somehow
better.

Vincent

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Nov 21, 2009, 11:56:50 AM11/21/09
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"Elijah Baley" <li...@foundation.org> wrote in message
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> http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091120-708851.html?mod=rss_Hot_Stoc
> ks
>
> Nuff said. And to think, just a decade ago, Mike was making
> condescending statements about Apple.

So people might lose jobs and you gloat. All you MacFreaks seem to do the
same. You are a moronic low-life. And a fan of Gumpisms. How droll - you
parrot a retard.

Fa-groon

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Nov 21, 2009, 12:44:14 PM11/21/09
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:09:05 -0800, BallCock wrote
(in article <tLQNm.44277$W77....@newsfe11.iad>):

IOW, you're just trolling- again.

Fa-groon

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Nov 21, 2009, 12:45:29 PM11/21/09
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:15:10 -0800, BallCock wrote
(in article <cRQNm.58757$Wf2....@newsfe23.iad>):

But OSX makes it NOT the same product. Surely even YOU can fathom that.

BallCock

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Nov 21, 2009, 4:44:04 PM11/21/09
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"Fa-groon" <fa-g...@mad.com> wrote in message
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OSX? Where is OSX mentioned? OSX can run on PC's. Windows can do anything
OSX can do, better, can you fathom that?


Chance Furlong

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Nov 21, 2009, 5:14:29 PM11/21/09
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In article <vaZNm.65884$Wf2....@newsfe23.iad>,
"BallCock" <BC...@att.net> wrote:

> OS X? Where is OS X mentioned? OS X can run on PC's. Windows can do anything
> OS X can do, better, can you fathom that?

Can you fathom Windoze being a malware and virus magnet, zara? I bet
not, due to being perpetually zonked out on LSD.

Justin

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Nov 21, 2009, 5:31:12 PM11/21/09
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Elijah Baley wrote:
> http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091120-708851.html?mod=rss_Hot_Stoc
> ks
>
> Nuff said. And to think, just a decade ago, Mike was making
> condescending statements about Apple.
>

I guess Dell will just have to outsource more tech support job to even
more impoverished countries.
Pakistan?
Maybe Afghanistan?

Fa-groon

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Nov 21, 2009, 6:43:15 PM11/21/09
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:44:04 -0800, BallCock wrote
(in article <vaZNm.65884$Wf2....@newsfe23.iad>):

Except that Windows CAN'T and doesn't do "anything OSX can do" and it
certainly does nothing better. Hell it does nothing AS WELL as OSX! And OSX
is what makes a Mac NOT the same product as a Windows PC, that's where it's
mentioned! And while OSX CAN run on PCs it is "illegal" to do so. But when
one runs OSX on a PC, that PC becomes a Mac and a better product.

So, once again, you are wrong across the board as, also once again, you
confuse market share with quality.

Fa-groon

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Nov 21, 2009, 6:44:07 PM11/21/09
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:14:29 -0800, Chance Furlong wrote
(in article <T-Bone-E69FFC....@news.giganews.com>):

Also there are lots of things that Windows does not and can not do as well as
OSX under the best of circumstances.

Fa-groon

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Nov 21, 2009, 6:44:53 PM11/21/09
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:31:12 -0800, Justin wrote
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Whichever's cheapest. Why not Zaire?

BallCock

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:15:03 PM11/21/09
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"Fa-groon" <fa-g...@mad.com> wrote in message
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To reiterate; Windows can do anything OSX can do, better. You can huff, and
you can puff, but you can't change the truth. Even if you write in BIG
LETTERS, it doesn't change the fact, OSX is a piece of shit, and you are
George Graves.


BallCock

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:16:07 PM11/21/09
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"Fa-groon" <fa-g...@mad.com> wrote in message
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Childish at best. Is senility speaking?


Justin

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:30:33 AM11/22/09
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Well of course!
Or btter net, dn't offer support at all. Just make it frustrating for
users to get through they'll give up, and spend $50 on a new hard drive
(that should have been covered under warranty) at some local store.
It benefits Dell, the local store and the user - somehow.

Fa-groon

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:10:52 AM11/22/09
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:15:03 -0800, BallCock wrote
(in article <7h0Om.30699$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad>):

Zara, I am not this George Graves person. As far as I can see the only thing
that I have in common with this Graves person is that I am a Mac advocate and
others here say that he was as well (and I don't even know that for sure). As
for Mac vs Windows. Windows is primitive and crippled by both legacy support
and Microsoft's unwillingness to fix its myriad of problems. It's poor;ly
designed, poorly implemented and much harder to set-up and use than it should
be. Oh, yes, it's also as ugly as a warthog.

BallCock

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:42:49 AM11/22/09
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"Fa-groon" <fa-g...@mad.com> wrote in message
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George, I am not this zara person. As far as I can see the only thing
that I have in common with this zara person is that I am a Windows advocate

and
others here say that he was as well (and I don't even know that for sure).
As

for Mac vs Windows. Mac is primitive and crippled by both legacy support
and Apples unwillingness to fix its myriad of problems. It's poorly


designed, poorly implemented and much harder to set-up and use than it
should

be. Oh, yes, it's also as ugly as a warthog. And totally outdated. It's a
nine years old patch job with no replacement in sight, and hardly any good,
popular software is supported.


Fa-groon

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:39:50 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:42:49 -0800, BallCock wrote
(in article <4laOm.51014$rE5....@newsfe08.iad>):

Lessee, you act like zara, you post like zara, you make the same kinds of
stupid, uneducated, pro-Windows and anti-Mac statements that zara makes and
you are certainly SOMEBODY'S sockpuppet because you've been here long enough
to remember this Graves poster (who apparently hasn't been here in several
years). You are also nasty and mean-spirited just like zara and yet you are
not he? Gimme a break, zara.

KDT

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:43:21 PM11/22/09
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On Nov 22, 1:39 pm, Fa-groon <fa-gr...@mad.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:42:49 -0800, BallCock wrote
> (in article <4laOm.51014$rE5.1...@newsfe08.iad>):
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Fa-groon" <fa-gr...@mad.com> wrote in message

> >news:0001HW.C72E320C...@news.giganews.com...
> >> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:15:03 -0800, BallCock wrote
> >> (in article <7h0Om.30699$ZF3.10...@newsfe13.iad>):
>
> >>> "Fa-groon" <fa-gr...@mad.com> wrote in message

> >>>news:0001HW.C72DBB13...@news.giganews.com...
> >>>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:44:04 -0800, BallCock wrote
> >>>> (in article <vaZNm.65884$Wf2.1...@newsfe23.iad>):
>
> >>>>> "Fa-groon" <fa-gr...@mad.com> wrote in message

> >>>>>news:0001HW.C72D6739...@news.giganews.com...
> >>>>>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:15:10 -0800, BallCock wrote
> >>>>>> (in article <cRQNm.58757$Wf2.14...@newsfe23.iad>):
>
> >>>>>>> "wetpixel" <wetpi...@news.news> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:201120092033072063%wetp...@news.news...
> >>>>>>>> In article <SaDNm.28270$ZF3.11...@newsfe13.iad>, BallCock
> >>>>>>>> <B...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> "Fa-groon" <fa-gr...@mad.com> wrote in message

> >>>>>>>>>news:0001HW.C72C3944...@news.giganews.com...
> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:30:07 -0800, BallCock wrote
> >>>>>>>>>> (in article <Y6CNm.30788$X01.4...@newsfe07.iad>):
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Elijah Baley" <l...@foundation.org> wrote in message

And he has a broken newsreader like Zara.

BallCock

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:11:41 PM11/22/09
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"Fa-groon" <fa-g...@mad.com> wrote in message
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Lessee, you act like George, you post like George, you make the same kinds
of
stupid, uneducated, pro-OSX and anti-PC statements that George makes and


you are certainly SOMEBODY'S sockpuppet because you've been here long enough

to remember this zara poster (who apparently hasn't been here in several
years). You are also nasty and mean-spirited just like George and yet you
are
not he? Gimme a break, George.


Fa-groon

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:51:15 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:43:21 -0800, KDT wrote
(in article
<f0b9f759-ce1a-4c4d...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>):

>>>>>>>>> Your statement shows how little you really understand. ᅵWith $12 Bil


>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> someone to do, try for the record of richest dead guy?
>>>>>>>>> Your simple mind doesn't grasp the fact that a business is only a
>>>>>>>>> vehicle

>>>>>>>>> toward wealth. ᅵAsk any Apple shareholder.


>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You mischaracterized the difference in price and the difference in
>>>>>>>>>> products vastly; clearly, you have either little knowledge or far
>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>> much attitude.
>>

>>>>>>>>> Your problem is common. ᅵThe misdirected mindset that the same


>>>>>>>>> product,
>>>>>>>>> doing the same job, with a different label at a higher price, is
>>>>>>>>> somehow
>>>>>>>>> better.
>>
>>>>>>>> But OSX makes it NOT the same product. Surely even YOU can fathom
>>>>>>>> that.
>>

>>>>>>> OSX? ᅵWhere is OSX mentioned? OSX can run on PC's. Windows can do


>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>> OSX can do, better, can you fathom that?
>>
>>>>>> Except that Windows CAN'T and doesn't do "anything OSX can do" and it
>>>>>> certainly does nothing better. Hell it does nothing AS WELL as OSX! And
>>>>>> OSX
>>>>>> is what makes a Mac NOT the same product as a Windows PC, that's where
>>>>>> it's

>>>>>> mentioned! ᅵAnd while OSX CAN run on PCs it is "illegal" to do so. But


>>>>>> when
>>>>>> one runs OSX on a PC, that PC becomes a Mac and a better product.
>>
>>>>>> So, once again, you are wrong across the board as, also once again, you
>>>>>> confuse market share with quality.
>>

>>>>> To reiterate; Windows can do anything ᅵOSX can do, better. You can huff,
>>>>> and
>>>>> you can puff, but you can't change the truth. ᅵEven if you write in BIG
>>>>> LETTERS, ᅵit doesn't change the fact, OSX is a piece of shit, and you are


>>>>> George Graves.
>>
>>>> Zara, I am not this George Graves person. As far as I can see the only
>>>> thing
>>>> that I have in common with this Graves person is that I am a Mac advocate
>>>> and
>>>> others here say that he was as well (and I don't even know that for sure).
>>>> As
>>>> for Mac vs Windows. Windows is primitive and crippled by both legacy
>>>> support
>>>> and Microsoft's unwillingness to fix its myriad of problems. It's poor;ly
>>>> designed, poorly implemented and much harder to set-up and use than it
>>>> should
>>>> be. Oh, yes, it's also as ugly as a warthog.
>>
>>> George, I am not this zara person. As far as I can see the only thing
>>> that I have in common with this zara person is that I am a Windows advocate
>>> and
>>> others here say that he was as well (and I don't even know that for sure).
>>> As
>>> for Mac vs Windows. Mac is primitive and crippled by both legacy support
>>> and Apples unwillingness to fix its myriad of problems. It's poorly
>>> designed, poorly implemented and much harder to set-up and use than it
>>> should

>>> be. Oh, yes, it's also as ugly as a warthog. And totally outdated. ᅵIt's a


>>> nine years old patch job with no replacement in sight, and hardly any good,
>>> popular software is supported.
>>
>> Lessee, you act like zara, you post like zara, you make the same kinds of
>> stupid, uneducated, pro-Windows and anti-Mac statements that zara makes and
>> you are certainly SOMEBODY'S sockpuppet because you've been here long enough
>> to remember this Graves poster (who apparently hasn't been here in several
>> years). You are also nasty and mean-spirited just like zara and yet you are
>> not he? Gimme a break, zara.
>
> And he has a broken newsreader like Zara.

Oh, yeah. I forgot that one!

Fa-groon

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:52:22 PM11/22/09
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:11:41 -0800, BallCock wrote
(in article <P1gOm.63244$Xf2....@newsfe12.iad>):

Again we see that zara is so stupid that he/she/it has nothing original to
say. A real waste of a human being.

BallCock

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:19:03 PM11/22/09
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"Fa-groon" <fa-g...@mad.com> wrote in message
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Again we see that George is so stupid that he/she/it has nothing original to

Fa-groon

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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:19:03 -0800, BallCock wrote
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Like trying to have a conversation with a parrot.

Plonk!

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