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Oxford

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Oct 25, 2005, 1:15:56 AM10/25/05
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TUAW reader, Zeno, wrote in tonight from Switzerland, having just
managed to get Front Row running on his Mac mini with a few "tweaks" (it
is currently only included with and supported on new iMacs).

Plenty more with Photos of it working on other systems here:

http://snipurl.com/izi1

Current Instructions:

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I present to you a guide i wrote, compiled from the great patching of
jacksonbrown and the work and random findings of myself and a few
others, on how to make Front Row work quite nicely.

(Mods, if this is in the incorrect area of this site, please move as you
see fit. Keeping it open for improvements on this tutorial would be
appreciated though.)

This will give you a Front Row that can be provoked via hotkey anywhere
within MacOSX and closed via this same hotkey....very much like
dashboard and F12 are. This also seems to have no reported issues with
iTunes playback, though DVD playback has not been tested.

I'll try to keep this simple without leaving out details some of the
more n00b peoples might need.

PLEASE FOLLOW THESE STEPS IN ORDER, AND DO NOT TRY TO RUN THE PROGRAM
PRE-MATURELY. It will just likely result in nothing happening, or an
applescript error that will confuse some people. Follow the tutorial
through to the end and then enjoy!

==========================

A few pre-tutorial notes:

If you have already placed front row.app in your applications folder but
HAVE done the plist modification, this will not work exactly as desired.
Download the patched front row.app again and replace your plist modded
version with the downloaded one. We've found it works much better this
way. You don't see the ugly dock icon, and the problems with iTunes
working properly seem to be gone too.

==========================

STEP 1.

Download JacksonBrown's patched Front Row STW.

rapidshare.de/files/6669514/Front_Row__k_.zip.html

His brilliant patching work makes Front Row run under 10.4.2 without
having the iMac's remote present.
There are three files inside this .ZIP
- Readme.txt you may now ignore, as it is out of date.
- Front Row.app copy to the Applications folder
- BezelServices.framework copy to /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/
At this point you will need to reboot your computer.


STEP 2.
Open Script Editor.app (located in Applications/AppleScript) and paste
in the following code.

tell application "System Events"
tell application "Front Row" to activate
key code 53 using {command down}
end tell

Once you have done this, save it as an application named
openfrontrow.app in your applications folder.


STEP 3.
Now go to macupdate and download the program named Xkeys. It is freeware.
Once you have the file downloaded, install it and then open it up.
Inside the program, configure your F8 key to run your openfrontrow.app
file you created in STEP2.


STEP 4.
Now go into System Preferences. In the Accounts preference tab set up
front row.app (the one you downloaded, NOT to be confused with
openfrontrow.app that you created in STEP2) to be a login item.


STEP 5.
Reboot your computer. When it turns back on, press the F8 key and
hopefully you will be experiencing Front Row! Pressing F8 again (or a
lot of other keys on the keyboard) will close Front Row.
Let me know if it works!


*END*

imout...@mac.com

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Oct 25, 2005, 3:22:11 AM10/25/05
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wow! That's so intuitive! kudos Apple engineers for going the extra
mile to support existing customers.

Rick

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Oct 25, 2005, 6:41:43 AM10/25/05
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:15:56 -0600, Oxford wrote:

> TUAW reader, Zeno, wrote in tonight from Switzerland, having just
> managed to get Front Row running on his Mac mini with a few "tweaks" (it
> is currently only included with and supported on new iMacs).
>

How do you legally obtain Front Row without buying a Mac?

(snip)

--
Rick

Lefty Bigfoot

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Oct 25, 2005, 12:59:26 PM10/25/05
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Rick wrote
(in article <pan.2005.10.25....@nomail.com>):

Steve Jobs lets him steal it out of the goodness of his heart,
or at the advice of his spiritual healer, or ....

At least, Oxford has claimed something very similar to that
about other Apple products in the past.


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Oxford

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Oct 25, 2005, 4:48:46 PM10/25/05
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Lefty Bigfoot <nu...@busyness.info> wrote:

> >> TUAW reader, Zeno, wrote in tonight from Switzerland, having just
> >> managed to get Front Row running on his Mac mini with a few "tweaks" (it
> >> is currently only included with and supported on new iMacs).
> >>
> > How do you legally obtain Front Row without buying a Mac?
>
> Steve Jobs lets him steal it out of the goodness of his heart,
> or at the advice of his spiritual healer, or ....
>
> At least, Oxford has claimed something very similar to that
> about other Apple products in the past.

you can tangle yourself in legal wording all you want... apple "legally"
has to provide this "legal net" to compete, term to term with MS's world
of tricky bids, contracts to governments, big businesses, etc. but for
you and me, apple could careless what you personally do with their
software, that's simply never been their style to go after people for no
negative karmantic reason. the ideals of the homebrew club run deep
within apple's culture, only weak people that hide behind lawyers are
confused by this ethos.

Lloyd Parsons

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Oct 25, 2005, 4:44:34 PM10/25/05
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In article <USw7f.58$Yl4....@news.uswest.net>, Oxford <cs...@mac.com>
wrote:

In a word, Bullshit!

While Apple may not come after you, you did violate the license.

Oxford

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Oct 25, 2005, 5:22:47 PM10/25/05
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Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:

> > you can tangle yourself in legal wording all you want... apple "legally"
> > has to provide this "legal net" to compete, term to term with MS's world
> > of tricky bids, contracts to governments, big businesses, etc. but for
> > you and me, apple could careless what you personally do with their
> > software, that's simply never been their style to go after people for no
> > negative karmantic reason. the ideals of the homebrew club run deep
> > within apple's culture, only weak people that hide behind lawyers are
> > confused by this ethos.
>
> In a word, Bullshit!

why?

> While Apple may not come after you, you did violate the license.

it simply doesn't matter, if you want to falsely hide behind legalese,
fine, but it will do you little good. apple isn't a microsoft if you
haven't noticed. you've been bamboozled by years of microsoft rhetoric,
nothing more. true apple users know the difference.

TravelinMan

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Oct 25, 2005, 5:34:08 PM10/25/05
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In article <Imx7f.60$Yl4....@news.uswest.net>, Oxford <cs...@mac.com>
wrote:

You're flat out wrong.

Apple protects their intellectual property and license agreements as
much as anyone. The fact that individuals are too small to bother with
doesn't change that fact.

But feel free to provide a quote from Apple saying that it's OK to
violate their license agreements.

Lloyd Parsons

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Oct 25, 2005, 5:35:26 PM10/25/05
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In article <Imx7f.60$Yl4....@news.uswest.net>, Oxford <cs...@mac.com>
wrote:

> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:

True Apple users, huh?

Lesseee, I got a mini, and a powerbook, and a G5/powermac, and a PM6500
and a G3/AIO

I think that qualifies me as a maccie, however if I have to be as
fscking dumb as you, I"ll claim otherwise.

Oxford

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Oct 25, 2005, 6:09:42 PM10/25/05
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TravelinMan <Now...@spamfree.com> wrote:

> > > While Apple may not come after you, you did violate the license.
> >
> > it simply doesn't matter, if you want to falsely hide behind legalese,
> > fine, but it will do you little good. apple isn't a microsoft if you
> > haven't noticed. you've been bamboozled by years of microsoft rhetoric,
> > nothing more. true apple users know the difference.
>
> You're flat out wrong.
>
> Apple protects their intellectual property and license agreements as
> much as anyone. The fact that individuals are too small to bother with
> doesn't change that fact.

it's not flat out wrong, it's the truth. intellectual property nor
license agreements are the topics here, it's simply if you use an apple
software product (the os mainly) apple will not for a "fact" come after
you.

> But feel free to provide a quote from Apple saying that it's OK to
> violate their license agreements.

you are only following microsoft's "line". apple has no "line" on this
subject at all, it is silent and lets karma rule this realm, the way it
should be, the way it "is" and always will be...

Oxford

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Oct 25, 2005, 6:11:32 PM10/25/05
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Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:

> > it simply doesn't matter, if you want to falsely hide behind legalese,
> > fine, but it will do you little good. apple isn't a microsoft if you
> > haven't noticed. you've been bamboozled by years of microsoft rhetoric,
> > nothing more. true apple users know the difference.
>
> True Apple users, huh?
>
> Lesseee, I got a mini, and a powerbook, and a G5/powermac, and a PM6500
> and a G3/AIO
>
> I think that qualifies me as a maccie, however if I have to be as
> fscking dumb as you, I"ll claim otherwise.

if you want to contribute, great! the way it should be.

Rick

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Oct 25, 2005, 7:11:20 PM10/25/05
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So.. it's OK for anyone to come into your house and take anything they
want?

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Rick

Rick

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Oct 25, 2005, 7:12:37 PM10/25/05
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How do you legally obtain Front Row without buying a Mac?

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Rick

Rick

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Oct 25, 2005, 7:12:49 PM10/25/05
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How do you legally obtain Front Row without buying a Mac?

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Rick

Belphegor

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Oct 25, 2005, 7:28:35 PM10/25/05
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they can come to my house and COPY everything they want. They would be
better people for it.

Travelinman

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Oct 25, 2005, 7:32:58 PM10/25/05
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In article <H2y7f.66$Yl4....@news.uswest.net>, Oxford <cs...@mac.com>
wrote:

Bullshit.

Apple protects its intellectual property all the time. Look at their
look and feel law suits. Look at their law suits against rumors sites
releasing their information. Look at their lawsuits against people
distributing betas on the web.

The facts contradict you. Completely.

arimi...@gmail.com

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Oct 25, 2005, 8:33:22 PM10/25/05
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Oxford

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Oct 25, 2005, 9:04:57 PM10/25/05
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Travelinman <now...@nospam.net> wrote:

> > you are only following microsoft's "line". apple has no "line" on this
> > subject at all, it is silent and lets karma rule this realm, the way it
> > should be, the way it "is" and always will be...
>

> Apple protects its intellectual property all the time. Look at their
> look and feel law suits. Look at their law suits against rumors sites
> releasing their information. Look at their lawsuits against people
> distributing betas on the web.

yes, but unfinished intellectual property is far different than a
shipping version, apple doesn't want half baked code out there, but once
it's complete it knows this spreads usage further than anything else...

> The facts contradict you. Completely.

you don't know what you are talking about, give it up.

Jon

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Oct 25, 2005, 9:07:36 PM10/25/05
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Having only seen the new iMac in person once, I got the impression that
the remote's IR sensor is the built-in iSight itself. I'd be
interested to see if the remote (available separately, Apple part #
MA128G/A), would work with Front Row on any Mac with an attached iSight.

Oxford

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Oct 25, 2005, 10:03:14 PM10/25/05
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"Jon" <carr.j...@gmail.com> wrote:

the IR sensor is behind the apple logo, surely there will be third party
"hacks" to do this via bluetooth, but since apple will likely never sell
front row as a standalone product (at least in the next few years) i
doubt 3rd parties will make a specialized product for this "bundled
only" app.

Travelinman

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Oct 25, 2005, 10:30:19 PM10/25/05
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In article <%CA7f.77$Yl4....@news.uswest.net>, Oxford <cs...@mac.com>
wrote:

ROTFLMAO.

YOU are the one dreaming up 'Apple doesn't care if you steal their
software' delusions.

All of Apple's software comes with license agreements. They have gone to
great lengths to enforce many of their license agreements. The
presumption is that they didn't spend money creating those agreements
just for kicks. Where's your evidence that Apple doesn't care if you
steal their software?

John C. Randolph From:

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Oct 25, 2005, 10:39:32 PM10/25/05
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Oxford <cs...@mac.com> writes:

>Download JacksonBrown's patched Front Row STW.

You can count on this coming down as soon as Apple's legal department hears about it.

-jcr


John C. Randolph From:

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Oct 25, 2005, 10:47:10 PM10/25/05
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Oxford <cs...@mac.com> writes:

>Lefty Bigfoot <nu...@busyness.info> wrote:

Based on my personal experience in dealing with Apple's legal department
(when I worked there), I can tell you that you're living in a dreamworld.

Try telling Apple legal that you intend to use their software in violation
of the license, and see what they tell you.

Oh, and BTW: making up words like "Karmantic" doesn't change the facts.

-jcr

John C. Randolph From:

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Oct 25, 2005, 10:52:02 PM10/25/05
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Oxford <cs...@mac.com> writes:

>Travelinman <now...@nospam.net> wrote:

>> The facts contradict you. Completely.

>you don't know what you are talking about, give it up.

Joe's right, you're wrong. I know this from direct personal experience on several occasions.

-jcr

Rick

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Oct 25, 2005, 10:38:11 PM10/25/05
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How do you legally obtain Front Row without buying a Mac?

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Oxford

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Oct 25, 2005, 11:18:09 PM10/25/05
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John C. Randolph From: <j...@idiom.com> wrote:

> >Download JacksonBrown's patched Front Row STW.
>
> You can count on this coming down as soon as Apple's legal department hears
> about it.

too late, it's already a torrent so legal threats no longer matter.

http://www.macmerc.com/news/archives/2736

Oxford

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Oct 25, 2005, 11:22:22 PM10/25/05
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John C. Randolph From: <j...@idiom.com> wrote:

> Based on my personal experience in dealing with Apple's legal department
> (when I worked there), I can tell you that you're living in a dreamworld.
>
> Try telling Apple legal that you intend to use their software in violation
> of the license, and see what they tell you.
>
> Oh, and BTW: making up words like "Karmantic" doesn't change the facts.

that's great John but did they ever go after a single individual using
copied apple software for their own use? no.

and didn't you like my new word? i thought it was rather clever myself :)

Oxford

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Oct 25, 2005, 11:43:39 PM10/25/05
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Travelinman <now...@nospam.net> wrote:

> All of Apple's software comes with license agreements. They have gone to
> great lengths to enforce many of their license agreements. The
> presumption is that they didn't spend money creating those agreements
> just for kicks. Where's your evidence that Apple doesn't care if you
> steal their software?

those agreements cover much more than casual copying, apple doesn't care
about that particular portion of the agreement by the fact they don't go
after anyone. they never have, never will, you are confused with
microsoft is my guess.

nice try though!

John C. Randolph From:

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Oct 26, 2005, 12:18:57 AM10/26/05
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Oxford <cs...@mac.com> writes:

>John C. Randolph From: <j...@idiom.com> wrote:

>> Based on my personal experience in dealing with Apple's legal department
>> (when I worked there), I can tell you that you're living in a dreamworld.
>>
>> Try telling Apple legal that you intend to use their software in violation
>> of the license, and see what they tell you.
>>
>> Oh, and BTW: making up words like "Karmantic" doesn't change the facts.

>that's great John but did they ever go after a single individual using
>copied apple software for their own use? no.

Heh.. What do I know? I only worked there for three and a half years, and dealt
with legal every couple of months on one matter or another.

I know you want to believe what you believe, but don't bet on it.

-jcr

John C. Randolph From:

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Oct 26, 2005, 12:20:16 AM10/26/05
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Oxford <cs...@mac.com> writes:

>Travelinman <now...@nospam.net> wrote:

What makes you so sure you'd have heard about it?

-jcr

Lefty Bigfoot

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Oct 26, 2005, 12:34:05 AM10/26/05
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Oxford wrote
(in article <RzC7f.104$Yl4....@news.uswest.net>):

> http://www.macmerc.com/news/archives/2736

From your own link:

"The daring may download and install at their own risk while
Apple is taking steps to keep the pirates at bay."

Talk about living in the RDF. :-)

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Rick

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Oct 26, 2005, 6:41:26 AM10/26/05
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:22:22 -0600, Oxford wrote:

> John C. Randolph From: <j...@idiom.com> wrote:
>
>> Based on my personal experience in dealing with Apple's legal department
>> (when I worked there), I can tell you that you're living in a dreamworld.
>>
>> Try telling Apple legal that you intend to use their software in violation
>> of the license, and see what they tell you.
>>
>> Oh, and BTW: making up words like "Karmantic" doesn't change the facts.
>
> that's great John but did they ever go after a single individual using
> copied apple software for their own use? no.

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4107487.stm>

>
> and didn't you like my new word? i thought it was rather clever myself :)

You think you are clever, but then you are an idiot..

<http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.swf>

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Rick

TravelinMan

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Oct 26, 2005, 9:21:47 AM10/26/05
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In article <ODC7f.106$Yl4....@news.uswest.net>,
Oxford <cs...@mac.com> wrote:

> John C. Randolph From: <j...@idiom.com> wrote:
>
> > Based on my personal experience in dealing with Apple's legal department
> > (when I worked there), I can tell you that you're living in a dreamworld.
> >
> > Try telling Apple legal that you intend to use their software in violation
> > of the license, and see what they tell you.
> >
> > Oh, and BTW: making up words like "Karmantic" doesn't change the facts.
>
> that's great John but did they ever go after a single individual using
> copied apple software for their own use? no.
>

The fact that Apple generally doesn't go after individual users is not
the same as your claim that Apple thinks it's OK.

vranga...@gmail.com

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Oct 26, 2005, 10:33:34 PM10/26/05
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What should I do - if I have a iPod doc + remote => so that I can make
front row work with my mac mini!?

Oxford

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Oct 27, 2005, 12:01:38 AM10/27/05
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vranga...@gmail.com wrote:

> What should I do - if I have a iPod doc + remote => so that I can make
> front row work with my mac mini!?

this may get you started...

http://www.i42.net/?p=8

http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3401074

i have it working on my powerbook and imac, very groovy!

sky...@gmail.com

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Oct 27, 2005, 12:24:45 AM10/27/05
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you don't

Lefty Bigfoot

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Oct 27, 2005, 4:06:12 AM10/27/05
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sky...@gmail.com wrote
(in article
<1130387085....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):

> you don't
>

If you are going to be a complete moron by using Google groups,
then at LEAST learn how to quote context properly.

Rick

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Oct 27, 2005, 6:30:52 AM10/27/05
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So... first you say you only advocate stealing OS X, now you are
advocating stealing Front Row. What other software do you think it is OK
to steal?

--
Rick

senne

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Oct 27, 2005, 8:28:33 AM10/27/05
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Hmm, "An error was encountered while communicating with iTunes". Doesn't
work here! At least the Music-part of Front Row, the rest works fine.


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1) iMac 1.8Ghz G5 - 80GB HD - 1GB RAM - 17" LCD
2) 1 broken 1G iPod 10GB, got to get a new one
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