Re: [OT] Tim Cook, please, set the records straight!

[FDK]

Now this is a real gem!! This guy needs a straight jacket.

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"GrosJean" wrote in message news:k7feng$3jf$2...@dont-email.me...

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 04:02:33 +0000, GrosJean wrote:

First there's the misleading title:

"The Irresistible Rise of Android"

Then the first paragraph:

"In the wake of the news that Android sales now represent around 75%
of
the global smartphone market during the most recent quarter, there's
still some surprise that this has happened. After all, this was a
sector
that Apple absolutely dominated just a few years ago. Some find it
hard
to understand how Android has pulled this off in just five years."

Only in the third paragraph does some truth appear:

"To be sure, Apple is still making huge profits, and will continue to
do
so. Even Samsung, the most successful Android manufacturer, cannot
touch
Apple in that respect. But that's a problem for Samsung, not for the
Android world. In particular, the huge growth in user base has started
to impact the app ecosystem: there are now reportedly as many apps for
Android as for the iPhone."

Of course, as a Mac user, this doesn't worry me at all. I know Apple
will always offer true value for my money. But people are sheep, you
know. They might suddenly decide to go for cheap Android products.

Every time such an announcement is made, Apple shares go down. Just a
few dollars, but nonetheless, down. I wonder what the hell Tim Cook is
doing not explaining that Apple is still the most formidable money
making machine in the world and that the value of Apple's products is
such that he could hike price by 40-50% and even with only the 10% of
Apple users who know about value, Apple would still be thriving.

It's really sad how finance and the media rule the world to make
people
forget about real value.

[GrosJean]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:55:55 -0500, FDK wrote:

> Now this is a real gem!! This guy needs a straight jacket.

I gather you're not an Apple investor... Then, maybe you'd need a
straight jacket too.

[FDK]

"GrosJean" wrote in message news:k7godh$va1$2...@dont-email.me...

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:55:55 -0500, FDK wrote:

> Now this is a real gem!! This guy needs a straight jacket.

>I gather you're not an Apple investor...

No. Not at this time.

>Then, maybe you'd need a straight jacket too.

If you're losing on it - then I'm sincerely sorry.

[AD]

On Nov 8, 5:55 pm, "FDK" <f...@aol.com> wrote:
> Now this is a real gem!!  This guy needs a straight jacket.
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> "GrosJean"  wrote in messagenews:k7feng$3jf$2...@dont-email.me...

You don't get it: the leader (iOS) is always about the quality,
the loss leader (Android) is about the value because
when you can not compete on quality you have to offer lower price.

I could hardly see how anyone who have laid their hands on apple
mobile
offering could swap that for a parade of android force quits.

Now, whether AAPL _stock_ is right priced is as good question as it
was today:
it's totally up to the investors perception (and to the to the social
engineers
who are busy fucking with investor's money)

Tim Cook's job is not to please wall street short term, but to make
sure
the next device rolls out from foxconn factories and is, as usual,
a few miles ahead of android in terms of quality.

Let the android monkeys bleed the cutting edge features into the next
iphone "killer":
only to be crushed the slow steamroller of apple on the next
installment.
Again. And again.

Who gives a fuck about the quantity of android apps short of virgin
smartphone users? I deal with galaxy tab almost daily (porting an
android app to ios) daily
and I see how reliable that piece of shit is both on the os and app
side.

I'm not saying there are no uses for android. There is: you get some
students writing lab grade code (prototypes)
quickly. If samsung & co managed to pass that for applications, good
for their marketing. Now to write a POLISHED app
is a whole different game altogether.

And if wall street gets pissed about apple short term perf apple could
start another round of the shares buyback
to feed the voltures.

[GrosJean]

On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 00:05:17 -0800, AD wrote:

> Let the android monkeys bleed the cutting edge features into the next
> iphone "killer": only to be crushed the slow steamroller of apple on
the next
> installment. Again. And again.

No doubt Android is being crushed! Here are the exact figures:

In Q3 2012, Android shipped 110 million more phones that Apple. The
market share for this quarter is 75% vs 14.9% for Apple.

The smartphone segment of the market has been defined by Steve Jobs. I
suppose when Apple is left with 0.15% of the market share you'll begin to
wonder who exactly is being crushed and if Crook really makes such a good
Jobs.

[JF Mezei]

On 12-11-09 03:05, AD wrote:

> Tim Cook's job is not to please wall street short term, but to make
> sure
> the next device rolls out from foxconn factories and is, as usual,
> a few miles ahead of android in terms of quality.

Actually, publicly traded companies have, as first priority, to please
shareholders.

Under Jobs, he ignored this and just had fun. It so happens that because
Apple was wildly succesful, Wall Street was happy despite Apple not
caring for them.

However, with Apple's market share dwindling due to competition from
Android, Wall Street isn't happy because their original expectations
aren't being met, which explains the downward spiral of AAPL.

Hopefully Apple's next financials will show solid growth and profits
despite loss of market share and investors will start treating APPL as a
blue chip stock instead of a speculative growth stock.

> Let the android monkeys bleed the cutting edge features into the next
> iphone "killer":
> only to be crushed the slow steamroller of apple on the next
> installment.

Apple grew because it was leading edge. If Apple becomes the trailing
edge, it will not succeed.

Lets not kid ourselves, the iphone5 has nothing truly new and innovative
in terms of features. Apple is still behind in many aspects such as NFC
etc.

Hopefully Federigni can bring life and excitement back into IOS.

Look at what RIM is up to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF2cLwPHaNY&CPID=E20C084&DATE=102212

How come Apple didn't think of this ?

> And if wall street gets pissed about apple short term perf apple could
> start another round of the shares buyback
> to feed the voltures.

Short term ? the question is is whether the current dolldrums affecting
AAPL is short term or whether Apple has really lost its edge for good.

It will still produce fine phones with great quality. So did Blackberry.
But that didn't do Blackberry any good and they are struggling to get
back in business.

[GrosJean]

On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:08:51 -0500, JF Mezei wrote:

> Hopefully Apple's next financials will show solid growth and profits
> despite loss of market share and investors will start treating APPL as a
> blue chip stock instead of a speculative growth stock.

I believe Apple will end as junk bonds. I understand their investment
strategy better now. They've put all their money in nice stores.
Meanwhile, Google has built 8 data centers throughout the world, with 4
more coming next year. It will have more than 2 million servers in
operation.

Then, they sell those cute little Chromebooks for $250 with 100GB online
storage and also the possibility of saving locally on an SD card. You
don't have to install software, update, keep viruses in check, etc. All
this is done completely automatically. It's a computer that works with as
little headaches as a TV. That's what most people want.

Understand what I say, here. It's very far from a MacBook. If it offers a
unibody, it's a plastic unibody. But most people don't understand the
significance of a good chassis in a computer. Soon you'll find Chromebooks
in Corn Flakes boxes. For students just typing a text or housewifes
looking for a recipe, it will do the job.

It has been said that Apple had build an ecosystem. That's exactly what
Google is doing, but on an unprecedented scale. They're gathering users
at all costs. Then, only then, they'll begin to introduce models that
will please Mac users. The advantages of being part of this ecosystem
will be such that the offer will be hard to resist.

In his last years, Steve Jobs was a very sick man. He couldn't see the
new wave coming. But Tim Crook should have. How come he didn't. How come
Apple kept buying its online services from Akamai? Amazon, that began as
an online bookseller, now offers EC2. Even Ubuntu, with it's limited
means offers cloud services. How could Crook miss this elephant running
at him? Apple is stuck in the XXth century.

[Paul Sture]

In article <509d1c84$0$58055$c3e8da3$9b4f...@news.astraweb.com>,

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Look at what RIM is up to:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF2cLwPHaNY&CPID=E20C084&DATE=102212
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> How come Apple didn't think of this ?

That's a nice feature.

--
Paul Sture

[Sandman]

In article <509d1c84$0$58055$c3e8da3$9b4f...@news.astraweb.com>,
JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Look at what RIM is up to:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF2cLwPHaNY&CPID=E20C084&DATE=102212
>
> How come Apple didn't think of this ?

Whoa, pretty cool feature!


--
Sandman[.net]

[SMS]

That capability has existed on some models of digital cameras for quite
a few years. Take a bunch of frame shots in quick succession, process
them, and let the shooter choose which one(s) he or she wants. I think
Casio, of all brands, had it first.

The Samsung Galaxy S III and the HTC One X have the same functionality,
and if the camera allows it, you can use an Android app to get the
feature (several different apps support it)
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spritefish.fastburstcamera&hl=en>.
There are also apps on the iTunes store that add a fast burst mode to
the iPhone though they advise you that you may want to close other
applications so the processor can devote all its power to encoding
<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pocket-camera-pro/id463700742?mt=8>.

[Alan Browne]

On 2012.11.11 10:35 , MacPaul wrote:

> On 2012-11-08 16:59:29 +0000, GrosJean said:
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>> I gather you're not an Apple investor
>

> There are no "investors", they are just called that way so that it
> doesn't strike what they really are: parasites.

When you don't understand it, you give it an ugly label?

How's this strategy working out for you in life?

--
"There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald

[AD]

soooo how many iphone users have switched to android and rim because
of the "cutting edge features"?????

[Jim Janney]

GrosJean <Gros...@CommeDevant.tarte> writes:

> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:08:51 -0500, JF Mezei wrote:
>
>> Hopefully Apple's next financials will show solid growth and profits
>> despite loss of market share and investors will start treating APPL as a
>> blue chip stock instead of a speculative growth stock.
>
> I believe Apple will end as junk bonds. I understand their investment
> strategy better now.

An individual company stock will always be more volatile than the
overall market. This is even more truy for technology companies, and
Apple stands out even among technology companies. There's a nice
discussion at

http://www.asymco.com/2012/11/12/a-dramatic-reading

Moral: if you don't have a cast iron stomach you probably shouldn't own
Apple stock. I haven't, and I don't :-)

--
Jim Janney

[Nashton]

On 11-11-12 2:56 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <nospam-4204A2....@news.chingola.ch>

> That is fantastic!
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> Maybe RIM won't be a smoking crater in a year...
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You have the gull to talk about RIM when Apple is going down faster than
the Titanic in terms of market share?

[Alan Baker]

On Nov 14, 1:49 pm, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
> On 11-11-12 2:56 AM, Lewis wrote:
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> > In message <nospam-4204A2.09192310112...@news.chingola.ch>
> >    Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
> >> In article <509d1c84$0$58055$c3e8da3$9b4ff...@news.astraweb.com>,

> >>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
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> >>> Look at what RIM is up to:
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> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF2cLwPHaNY&CPID=E20C084&DATE=102212
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> >>> How come Apple didn't think of this ?
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> > Maybe RIM won't be a smoking crater in a year...
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> You have the gull to talk about RIM when Apple is going down faster than
> the Titanic in terms of market share?

The word you were groping for is "gall", not "gull", Nicolas.