Global Warming Is Bullshit...
Mayor Of R'lyeh
give a damn that they were peddling lies. It was good for the
pocketbook and good for career advancement. Why would a 'scientist'
let a little thing like the truth get in the way of that?
From here on out anyone who says 'It has to be true. A scientist said
it.' is officially a naive dumbass.
John
ROTFLMAO!!! Your scientific incompetence is legend around here.
GreyCloud
http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html
"But then something unusual happened. On Dec. 13, 2007, 100 scientists
jointly signed an Open Letter to Ban Ki-Moon, Secretary-General of the
United Nations, requesting they cease the man-made global warming
hysteria and settle down to helping mankind better prepare for natural
disasters. The final signature was from the President of the World
Federation of Scientists."
http://globalwarminghoax.wordpress.com/
" U.S. Rep. Ron Paul -R-Texas, has urged members of Congress to consider
the joint opinion of nearly 32,000 scientists, including more than 9,000
Ph.D.s, who believe humans likely have little or nothing to do with any
�global warming.�
�In an unprecedented move Wednesday, the Norwegian Nobel Committee
rescinded the Peace Prize it awarded in 2007 to former US vice president
Al Gore and the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change, amid overwhelming evidence that global warming is an elaborate
hoax cooked up by Mr. Gore."
--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).
John
It was an April Fools joke you STUPID DUMBASS!!
Al Gore still has his Nobel.
GreyCloud
I was just testing the Mayor on that last one. :D
Even the article was dated April 1, 2009.
But when fools start saying that the Polar Bears are drowning due to
melting ice... that is the most ridiculous statement made. Polar bears
have been seen 250 miles out at sea swimming after its prey. They're
the best swimming mammals.
Mayor Of R'lyeh
> GreyCloud wrote:
> > Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:
> >> ...and the Global Warming 'scientists' knew it all along. They didn't
> >> give a damn that they were peddling lies. It was good for the
> >> pocketbook and good for career advancement. Why would a 'scientist'
> >> let a little thing like the truth get in the way of that?
> >> From here on out anyone who says 'It has to be true. A scientist said
> >> it.' is officially a naive dumbass.
>
> >>http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024995.php
>
> >http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html
>
> > "But then something unusual happened. On Dec. 13, 2007, 100 scientists
> > jointly signed an Open Letter to Ban Ki-Moon, Secretary-General of the
> > United Nations, requesting they cease the man-made global warming
> > hysteria and settle down to helping mankind better prepare for natural
> > disasters. The final signature was from the President of the World
> > Federation of Scientists."
>
> >http://globalwarminghoax.wordpress.com/
>
> > " U.S. Rep. Ron Paul -R-Texas, has urged members of Congress to consider
> > the joint opinion of nearly 32,000 scientists, including more than 9,000
> > Ph.D.s, who believe humans likely have little or nothing to do with any
>
> >http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/scientists-worldwide-admit-...
>
> > “In an unprecedented move Wednesday, the Norwegian Nobel Committee
> > rescinded the Peace Prize it awarded in 2007 to former US vice president
> > Al Gore and the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
> > Change, amid overwhelming evidence that global warming is an elaborate
> > hoax cooked up by Mr. Gore."
>
> It was an April Fools joke you STUPID DUMBASS!!
>
> Al Gore still has his Nobel.
So does Yassir Arafat. So does Obama.
Mayor Of R'lyeh
Sorry, John, but the facts are out and they're in the global warming
peddler's own words. The supposed 'scientists' that you believed in
have confessed to being snake oil salesmen. Enjoy the crow.
ZnU
<d7093c7a-b225-4afc...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
I see you're still getting all of your news from right-wing propaganda
sites.
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
Mayor Of R'lyeh
> In article
> <d7093c7a-b225-4afc-920c-b161278be...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...and the Global Warming 'scientists' knew it all along. They didn't
> > give a damn that they were peddling lies. It was good for the
> > pocketbook and good for career advancement. Why would a 'scientist'
> > let a little thing like the truth get in the way of that?
> > From here on out anyone who says 'It has to be true. A scientist said
> > it.' is officially a naive dumbass.
>
> >http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024995.php
>
> I see you're still getting all of your news from right-wing propaganda
> sites.
>
I see you're still pretending it didn't happen if its not page one on
the DNC Party newsletter (aka The New York Times).
And once again you seem to be unable to dispute the facts. Sis you
find some ads on the site you don't like by some chance?
Justin
No, paying $100 for Windows 7 is bullshit.
Luckily I paid $30. :)
ZnU
<6a1d4a0f-d6fe-40de...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 12:49�am, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <d7093c7a-b225-4afc-920c-b161278be...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> > �"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > ...and the Global Warming 'scientists' knew it all along. They
> > > didn't give a damn that they were peddling lies. It was good for
> > > the pocketbook and good for career advancement. Why would a
> > > 'scientist' let a little thing like the truth get in the way of
> > > that? From here on out anyone who says 'It has to be true. A
> > > scientist said it.' is officially a naive dumbass.
> >
> > >http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024995.php
> >
> > I see you're still getting all of your news from right-wing
> > propaganda sites.
> >
>
> I see you're still pretending it didn't happen if its not page one on
> the DNC Party newsletter (aka The New York Times).
I see you still think that the fact the reality has a liberal bias
gives you valid cause to ignore it.
> And once again you seem to be unable to dispute the facts.
I don't trust your sources to report facts in anything resembling an
objective manner.
> Sis you find some ads on the site you don't like by some chance?
Are you still pretending that when a site almost exclusively has ads for
fringe right-wing culture phenomena, one can't draw conclusions about
its ideological underpinnings from this?
Joel
If you don't respect the way they award the prizes, you're entitled to
your opinion. They still awarded them based on criteria which Arafat
along with the two Israelis, in that instance, met, and which Obama
met. Feel free to create a White Boy of the Year Award, or whatever.
--
Joel Crump
Mayor Of R'lyeh
That criteria is political correctness. Arafat was the Osama bin Laden
of the 70's and Obama got his for being president for two weeks.
Nothing really award worthy in either case.
I have made a blatant race baiting demagogue of the day award.
Congratulations, Joel! What's it feel like to be a prize winner?
Mayor Of R'lyeh
> In article
> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 12:49 am, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <d7093c7a-b225-4afc-920c-b161278be...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> > > "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > ...and the Global Warming 'scientists' knew it all along. They
> > > > didn't give a damn that they were peddling lies. It was good for
> > > > the pocketbook and good for career advancement. Why would a
> > > > 'scientist' let a little thing like the truth get in the way of
> > > > that? From here on out anyone who says 'It has to be true. A
> > > > scientist said it.' is officially a naive dumbass.
>
> > > >http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024995.php
>
> > > I see you're still getting all of your news from right-wing
> > > propaganda sites.
>
> > I see you're still pretending it didn't happen if its not page one on
> > the DNC Party newsletter (aka The New York Times).
>
> I see you still think that the fact the reality has a liberal bias
> gives you valid cause to ignore it.
LOL! There's nothing toychy-feely about reality. Just because you
refuse to look at anything without a liberal bias doesn't it reality.
>
> > And once again you seem to be unable to dispute the facts.
>
> I don't trust your sources to report facts in anything resembling an
> objective manner.
Its the people who pretended to be scientists own words. They've
acknowledged that themselves and are out doing spin and damage
control. Stick your fingers in your ears and scream 'I can't hear
you!' all you want. The planet will still be here and habitable when
you get done.
> > Sis you find some ads on the site you don't like by some chance?
>
> Are you still pretending that when a site almost exclusively has ads for
> fringe right-wing culture phenomena, one can't draw conclusions about
> its ideological underpinnings from this?
I'm saying you can't dispute the facts so you pound on the table and
hope no one notices. We did.
TBerk
> ... Polar bears
> have been seen 250 miles out at sea swimming after its prey. They're
> the best swimming mammals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale
Dude. Are Humans so weak and puny that you don't think we can wreck
where we live?
berk
ZnU
<a414800a-33da-4cda...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 2:01�am, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <6a1d4a0f-d6fe-40de-9040-7b500e288...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> > �"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 22, 12:49�am, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <d7093c7a-b225-4afc-920c-b161278be...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > ��"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > ...and the Global Warming 'scientists' knew it all along. They
> > > > > didn't give a damn that they were peddling lies. It was good for
> > > > > the pocketbook and good for career advancement. Why would a
> > > > > 'scientist' let a little thing like the truth get in the way of
> > > > > that? From here on out anyone who says 'It has to be true. A
> > > > > scientist said it.' is officially a naive dumbass.
> >
> > > > >http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024995.php
> >
> > > > I see you're still getting all of your news from right-wing
> > > > propaganda sites.
> >
> > > I see you're still pretending it didn't happen if its not page one on
> > > the DNC Party newsletter (aka The New York Times).
> >
> > I see you still think that the fact the reality has a liberal bias
> > gives you valid cause to ignore it.
>
> LOL! There's nothing toychy-feely about reality. Just because you
> refuse to look at anything without a liberal bias doesn't it reality.
See what I mean?
> > > And once again you seem to be unable to dispute the facts.
> >
> > I don't trust your sources to report facts in anything resembling an
> > objective manner.
>
> Its the people who pretended to be scientists own words. They've
> acknowledged that themselves and are out doing spin and damage
> control. Stick your fingers in your ears and scream 'I can't hear
> you!' all you want. The planet will still be here and habitable when
> you get done.
See what I mean?
> > > Sis you find some ads on the site you don't like by some chance?
> >
> > Are you still pretending that when a site almost exclusively has ads for
> > fringe right-wing culture phenomena, one can't draw conclusions about
> > its ideological underpinnings from this?
>
> I'm saying you can't dispute the facts so you pound on the table and
> hope no one notices. We did.
See what I mean?
Nashton
Was there ever a doubt?
Did you know that the IPCC will only fund studies that relate to
anthropogenic global warming?
I never believed the nonsense and I'd rather see the money put into
conservation and reduction of real pollutants. We can do all this
without the AWG crowd.
And who is Al Gore?
Nashton
> In article
> <d7093c7a-b225-4afc...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ...and the Global Warming 'scientists' knew it all along. They didn't
>> give a damn that they were peddling lies. It was good for the
>> pocketbook and good for career advancement. Why would a 'scientist'
>> let a little thing like the truth get in the way of that?
>> From here on out anyone who says 'It has to be true. A scientist said
>> it.' is officially a naive dumbass.
>>
>> http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024995.php
>
> I see you're still getting all of your news from right-wing propaganda
> sites.
>
I see you're one of the most predictable Liberals in this ng.
You go right ahead and believe whatever suits you.
Who cares what a Liberal has to say, anyway?
Steve Hix
<a28457df-cb80-4c48...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
TBerk <bayar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Possibly, but they'll have to work a *lot* harder to do it.
Mayor Of R'lyeh
> In article
Mayor Of R'lyeh
> Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:
> > ...and the Global Warming 'scientists' knew it all along. They didn't
> > give a damn that they were peddling lies. It was good for the
> > pocketbook and good for career advancement. Why would a 'scientist'
> > let a little thing like the truth get in the way of that?
> > From here on out anyone who says 'It has to be true. A scientist said
> > it.' is officially a naive dumbass.
>
> >http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024995.php
>
> Was there ever a doubt?
Not amongst intelligent people.
> Did you know that the IPCC will only fund studies that relate to
> anthropogenic global warming?
And points to the fact that only studies 'proving' that get funded by
them as 'proof' that it real.
> I never believed the nonsense and I'd rather see the money put into
> conservation and reduction of real pollutants. We can do all this
> without the AWG crowd.
If we put half the money we've spent paying off the thieves in the
financial sector on nuclear power plants and improving the power grid
electric cars would be popular and practical.
>
> And who is Al Gore?
A cynical, greedy, two faced moron who made millions pushing the
global warming lie and has positioned himself to make billions if the
central command economy being pushed to fight 'global warming' is
implemented.
Justin
I think its ignorant to think we aren't affecting the environment.
However, I'm not Captain Kyoto either.
The planet is still coming out of the last ice age.
There has to be a happy medium between both camps. There is too much
bullshit on both sides to make an accurate decision.
GreyCloud
It isn't just that, but the snakeoil salesmen like Al Gore that tell
many lies and then the cultists believe and make it into their own religion.
Right now, many climatoligists are saying that the problems aren't
related to CO2 at all. The sun drives the planets temperature increases
and decreases and this is attributed to the maundern (sp?) effect.
Plus this breaking news at the Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125883405294859215.html
And there are many more of these articles. Plus there is a web site
where you can finally download the computer source code for the climate
model that has been denied to people thru the FOI channels.
That depends if you are a programmer and a climatoligist that can figure
it out.
GreyCloud
> On Nov 22, 12:23 am, John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:
>>>> ...and the Global Warming 'scientists' knew it all along. They didn't
>>>> give a damn that they were peddling lies. It was good for the
>>>> pocketbook and good for career advancement. Why would a 'scientist'
>>>> let a little thing like the truth get in the way of that?
>>>> From here on out anyone who says 'It has to be true. A scientist said
>>>> it.' is officially a naive dumbass.
>>>> http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024995.php
>>> http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html
>>> "But then something unusual happened. On Dec. 13, 2007, 100 scientists
>>> jointly signed an Open Letter to Ban Ki-Moon, Secretary-General of the
>>> United Nations, requesting they cease the man-made global warming
>>> hysteria and settle down to helping mankind better prepare for natural
>>> disasters. The final signature was from the President of the World
>>> Federation of Scientists."
>>> http://globalwarminghoax.wordpress.com/
>>> " U.S. Rep. Ron Paul -R-Texas, has urged members of Congress to consider
>>> the joint opinion of nearly 32,000 scientists, including more than 9,000
>>> Ph.D.s, who believe humans likely have little or nothing to do with any
>>> http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/scientists-worldwide-admit-...
>>> �In an unprecedented move Wednesday, the Norwegian Nobel Committee
>>> rescinded the Peace Prize it awarded in 2007 to former US vice president
>>> Al Gore and the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
>>> Change, amid overwhelming evidence that global warming is an elaborate
>>> hoax cooked up by Mr. Gore."
>> It was an April Fools joke you STUPID DUMBASS!!
>>
>> Al Gore still has his Nobel.
>
> So does Yassir Arafat. So does Obama.
Here is some more grist for your mill:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125883405294859215.html
http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2009/11/caught-red-handed-in-monumental-fraud.html
http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/leaked-foia-files-62-mb-of-gold/
http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/busted-2/
http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1213483&srvc=business&position=recent
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?_r=1
And last but not least this site will allow one to download the computer
source code for the climate model that the IPC is using along with all
the hacked emails.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/climatic-research-unit-hacked-e-mails-data.html
So it seems that these snakeoil salesmen are using the tactic of
demonizing their detractors as well.
GreyCloud
> In article
> <d7093c7a-b225-4afc...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ...and the Global Warming 'scientists' knew it all along. They didn't
>> give a damn that they were peddling lies. It was good for the
>> pocketbook and good for career advancement. Why would a 'scientist'
>> let a little thing like the truth get in the way of that?
>> From here on out anyone who says 'It has to be true. A scientist said
>> it.' is officially a naive dumbass.
>>
>> http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024995.php
>
> I see you're still getting all of your news from right-wing propaganda
> sites.
>
Well, is the Wall Street Journal also a right-wing propaganda site?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125883405294859215.html
Is demonizing your critics a new scientific approach as proof?
GreyCloud
Hehehe... he owns a new company that is going to manage the
cap-and-trade carbon credits that countries will be paying to.
Nothing more than a one world government tax on breathing.
GreyCloud
It isn't that at all. Of course we can pollute the heck out of the
planet, but CO2 isn't one of them. Plants need it, and we exhale it.
Maybe we should outlaw di-hyroden oxides.
Justin
No, we should outlaw Windows 7.
I mean the pricing is just insane! Luckily I got around that little issue.
Can't beat $30 for a valid key. :)
Snit
11/22/09 6:00 PM:
I agree that there is a lot we do not know - but this creates *more* cause
for alarm. Clearly we are altering the makeup of the atmosphere and adding
many pollutants to the air, ground, and water. Just as with chemicals in
our food, these *clearly* are going to lead to changes in the environment.
How could they not?
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Snit
6:18 PM:
I did. :)
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Snit
11/22/09 6:14 PM:
I do not think anyone has said that CO2 is bad. It is the altering of the
*amount* of it that is bad. Think of it this way - we all need some
dihydrogen monoxide in our bodies, but too much will kill you.
--
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Justin
Without pirating or getting through some sort of free deal...
Joel
>Justin stated in post hecnta$4vc$1...@news.eternal-september.org on 11/22/09
>6:18 PM:
>
>> I mean the pricing is just insane! Luckily I got around that little issue.
>> Can't beat $30 for a valid key. :)
>
>I did. :)
Do tell (from an anonymous remailer if necessary). ;)
--
Joel Crump
GreyCloud
But CO2 isn't one of them. These people have demonized what we exhale
everyday. CO2 is one of the essential gases of life.
All of this actually hinges on a carbon tax on anything that breathes
and the UN demonizes those that disagree. I do not call this science at
all.
GreyCloud
sources, and also from the EPA wanting to classify CO2 as a pollutant.
I think it was Arnold Schwarenegger that also talked about it.
The UN is also calling CO2 now a poison. Imagine that!
Snit
7:31 PM:
Replied via email.
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Snit
11/22/09 8:40 PM:
It also changes the ph of the oceans and does other things... really we do
not fully know what.
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Snit
11/22/09 8:37 PM:
The idea that there is plenty of CO2 in the air is not something that is
debated. Heck, I think most people even know that the amount humans put
into the air is pretty small compared to what naturally is added by decaying
plants, etc. But what humans add is enough to alter the balance and make
pretty drastic changes... altering the ph of the oceans and making other
changes we do not really fully understand.
--
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Snit
7:28 PM:
Well of course I had a deal... and not one open to everyone. :)
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Joel
>> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 22, 12:23�am, John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Al Gore still has his Nobel.
>>
>> >So does Yassir Arafat. So does Obama.
>>
>> your opinion. �They still awarded them based on criteria which Arafat
>> along with the two Israelis, in that instance, met, and which Obama
>> met. �Feel free to create a White Boy of the Year Award, or whatever.
>
>That criteria is political correctness.
Wrong. Arafat, Rabin and Peres were jointly awarded the Peace Prize
in '94 because they had made significant progress (at least, up to a
point, *at the time*, which is what counts) toward Palestinian
independence, and therefore peace between the Israelis and the
Palestinians. Obama was awarded the prize because, *rightly or
wrongly*, other countries didn't like the Bush administration, and
Obama, *for whatever reasons others in the world had*, *rightly or
wrongly*, had changed relationships simply by taking over.
That having been said, I was never as anti-Bush as a lot of Democrats
were. I also admire Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin, despite not
supporting them for national office (i.e. I won't in 2012 if she runs,
and didn't last year, but I would vote for McCain for senate if I
lived in AZ).
> Arafat was the Osama bin Laden
>of the 70's
And yet you fail to mention the Israelis' insane oppression of
Palestine. Big surprise.
> and Obama got his for being president for two weeks.
He has said that he doesn't feel *personally* justified in receiving
it. Nonetheless, they gave it to him based on valid criteria.
>Nothing really award worthy in either case.
Well, now that you have proclaimed how unworthy they were, we can all
sit tight and feel proud to be Americans. Except for the parts about
killing over 80% of the natives, nuking Japan multiple times, the
assassinations of JFK and MLK, oppressing our own citizens based on
racism, being utterly hypocritical in our foreign policy, etc., etc.,
etc.
>I have made a blatant race baiting demagogue of the day award.
>Congratulations, Joel! What's it feel like to be a prize winner?
Just because you didn't call Obama and Arafat niggers, doesn't mean
you weren't thinking it. I'm not stupid enough to think you're
balanced in your criticism of the various races (unless they're white
liberals such as Vice Pres. Gore, of course).
And, at least I'm not being politically correct, right?
--
Joel Crump
Sandman
<ce833568-fe87-402c...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > ZnU:
> > > > Are you still pretending that when a site almost exclusively
> > > > has ads for fringe right-wing culture phenomena, one can't
> > > > draw conclusions about its ideological underpinnings from
> > > > this?
> > > Mayor Of R'lyeh:
> > > I'm saying you can't dispute the facts so you pound on the table
> > > and hope no one notices. We did.
> > ZnU:
> > See what I mean?
> Mayor Of R'lyeh:
> Could you make it more obvious that you can't dispute the facts?
I always enjoy it when you refer to your own posts as having contained
"facts". Hilarious!
--
Sandman[.net]
Steve Carroll
> In article
> <ce833568-fe87-402c-937c-c21d2412a...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > ZnU:
> > > > > Are you still pretending that when a site almost exclusively
> > > > > has ads for fringe right-wing culture phenomena, one can't
> > > > > draw conclusions about its ideological underpinnings from
> > > > > this?
> > > > Mayor Of R'lyeh:
> > > > I'm saying you can't dispute the facts so you pound on the table
> > > > and hope no one notices. We did.
> > > ZnU:
> > > See what I mean?
> > Mayor Of R'lyeh:
> > Could you make it more obvious that you can't dispute the facts?
>
> I always enjoy it when you refer to your own posts as having contained
> "facts". Hilarious!
>
> --
> Sandman[.net]
While I won't comment on his source or his post some reputable news
agencies are on this story now. Apparently there was a break in and,
according to reports, the owners of the data/emails have admitted the
info stolen and shown on the internet was their info. The question is:
What does it really mean? Naturally, each side will have their spin...
I figure we're in for a protracted war regarding interpretation;)
Mayor Of R'lyeh
> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 22, 2:46 am, Joel <joelcr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Nov 22, 12:23 am, John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> Al Gore still has his Nobel.
>
> >> >So does Yassir Arafat. So does Obama.
>
> >> If you don't respect the way they award the prizes, you're entitled to
> >> your opinion. They still awarded them based on criteria which Arafat
> >> along with the two Israelis, in that instance, met, and which Obama
> >> met. Feel free to create a White Boy of the Year Award, or whatever.
>
> >That criteria is political correctness.
>
> Wrong.
Yes you are.
> Arafat, Rabin and Peres were jointly awarded the Peace Prize
> in '94 because they had made significant progress (at least, up to a
> point, *at the time*, which is what counts) toward Palestinian
> independence, and therefore peace between the Israelis and the
> Palestinians.
The 'Palestinians' aren't interested in peace. They've made that
abundantly clear.
Arafat's response to being handed everything he'd demanded over the
years was his refusal to accept it and unleashing a wave of terror
attacks across Israel. What a bit of peace that was.
> Obama was awarded the prize because, *rightly or
> wrongly*, other countries didn't like the Bush administration, and
> Obama, *for whatever reasons others in the world had*, *rightly or
> wrongly*, had changed relationships simply by taking over.
Not in any way that's noticeable. He's kowtowing to the Europeans who
are no more cooperative than they were under Bush; he's kowtowing to
the terrorists who are still blowing up our troops and he's tossed a
few of our allies under the bus. At least they got to meet his
grandma.
None of this did anything to advance the cause of peace.
>
> That having been said, I was never as anti-Bush as a lot of Democrats
> were. I also admire Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin, despite not
> supporting them for national office (i.e. I won't in 2012 if she runs,
> and didn't last year, but I would vote for McCain for senate if I
> lived in AZ).
>
> > Arafat was the Osama bin Laden
> >of the 70's
>
> And yet you fail to mention the Israelis' insane oppression of
> Palestine. Big surprise.
Funny how that works. When the Israelis are nice to the 'Palestinians'
the 'Palestinians' blow up Israels left and right. When the Israelis
isolate the 'Palestinians' Israelis don't get blown up but anti-
Semites come out of the woodwork decrying 'Israeli oppression'. Funny
how you guys never seem to have a problem with 'Palestinian' terror
attacks against Jews.
And why is it Israel's responsibility to do anything for them anyway?
Gaza borders on Egypt and Judea and Samaria border Jordan. Why don't
you expect them to help out?
'Palestinians' used to be the middle management of the Arab world. The
oil rich states would pay for their educations and young men from
those areas would fan out all over the Arab world being shopkeepers,
bookkeepers, teachers, etc. They made a decent living and were able to
help support the family back home as well. Then came 1968. Suddenly it
was more politically advantageous for the Arabs to use the
'Palestinians' as pawns in a propaganda war so the school funding
dried up and the jobs quit being offered. Why don't you have a
problems with that? That's caused more 'Palestinian' suffering than
anything Israel has done to defend itself from the terrorists next
door.
>
> > and Obama got his for being president for two weeks.
>
> He has said that he doesn't feel *personally* justified in receiving
> it. Nonetheless, they gave it to him based on valid criteria.
The sole criteria is that its supposed to go to someone who promoted
world peace. Obama has done nothing to that end. The sole purpose in
giving it to Obama was for a group of effete European snobs to give
the finger one last time to Bush. Its actually caused such an uproar
that there's talk of moving the Peace Prize to the Swedish committee
that is more open in their selection process.
>
> >Nothing really award worthy in either case.
>
> Well, now that you have proclaimed how unworthy they were, we can all
> sit tight and feel proud to be Americans. Except for the parts about
> killing over 80% of the natives,
Almost all of whom died from diseases that no one knew how to control
at the time and not from any kind of assault by non-aboriginals.
> nuking Japan multiple times,
In a war that Japan started with the purpose of saving an estimated
1,000,000 US lives, two of whom were uncles of mine. It probably saved
the Japanese from vanishing as a race as well. The defenses for Japan
called for fighting to the last man and we were prepared to take that
last man.
> the assassinations of JFK and MLK,
Both of which were done by lone nuts and not really reflective of the
country at all.
> oppressing our own citizens based on racism,
A practice that ended nearly two generations ago and largely ended by
public pressure.
> being utterly hypocritical in our foreign policy, etc., etc.,
> etc.
Our foreign policy is geared towards achieving our ends. Sorry if you
don't understand that.
And since you hate America so openly why are you still here?
>
> >I have made a blatant race baiting demagogue of the day award.
> >Congratulations, Joel! What's it feel like to be a prize winner?
>
> Just because you didn't call Obama and Arafat niggers, doesn't mean
> you weren't thinking it.
Joel claims psychic powers.
> I'm not stupid
Yes you are.
>enough to think you're
> balanced in your criticism of the various races (unless they're white
> liberals such as Vice Pres. Gore, of course).
So you're taking it as proof that I'm a racist because I not only
criticized the Nobel Peace Prize Committee's selections for two years
but that I also criticize white liberals? Are you seriously claiming
that Nobel Peace Prize winner and liberal are races?
Of course I eagerly await your proof that anything I've posted was
racially motivated. But I don't expect it will be forthcoming. Like
your fellow liberals when you've got nothing you scream 'racist'
hoping the other guy will shut up. It ain't gonna work with me.
Let's take a look at you. You decry Israel's attempts to prevent the
deaths of its citizens at the hands of terrorist but express no
outrage over the terrorist's attacks. You like to use racial epithets
to describe people who are of a different skin shade than you. You
just assume that because you're an anti-Semite and a racist that
everyone else is. Well we're not, Joel. Not even close. What's it like
to be a two time winner, Joel?
>
> And, at least I'm not being politically correct, right?
All the drivel you spewed is straight out of the politically correct
101 textbook.
ed
<snip>
> I was just testing the Mayor on that last one. :D
uh huh...
> Even the article was dated April 1, 2009.
> But when fools start saying that the Polar Bears are drowning due to
> melting ice... that is the most ridiculous statement made. Polar bears
> have been seen 250 miles out at sea swimming after its prey. They're
> the best swimming mammals.
never heard of these things called "whales," "dolphins," "seals,"
etc, eh?
ZnU
<ce833568-fe87-402c...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
What facts? That some scientists sent some e-mail messages? You haven't
offered any facts actually related to whether or not global warming
exists.
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
Mayor Of R'lyeh
> In article
> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 5:07 am, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <a414800a-33da-4cda-ace7-7590d4698...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > > "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 22, 2:01 am, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > Are you still pretending that when a site almost exclusively has ads for
> > > > > fringe right-wing culture phenomena, one can't draw conclusions about
> > > > > its ideological underpinnings from this?
>
> > > > I'm saying you can't dispute the facts so you pound on the table and
> > > > hope no one notices. We did.
>
> > > See what I mean?
>
> > Could you make it more obvious that you can't dispute the facts?
>
> What facts? That some scientists sent some e-mail messages? You haven't
> offered any facts actually related to whether or not global warming
> exists.
>
is all over the place now. It even made the only source you find
credible.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?_r=1
As a funny aside:
http://volokh.com/2009/11/23/nyt-policy-on-illegally-acquired-documents/
The answer is, of course - Yes they did. And the New York Times would
be rushing the full content of there emails to page one if they
damaged American national security.
Joel
>> >> If you don't respect the way they award the prizes, you're entitled to
>> >> your opinion. �ｿｽThey still awarded them based on criteria which Arafat
>> >> along with the two Israelis, in that instance, met, and which Obama
>> >> met. �ｿｽFeel free to create a White Boy of the Year Award, or whatever.
>>
>> >That criteria is political correctness.
>>
>> Wrong.
>
>Yes you are.
Like I care what a redneck, psychotic, American Idiot thinks? Shove
your world-destroying bullshit up your beef-laden colon, gun-toting
fuckface.
>>�ｿｽArafat, Rabin and Peres were jointly awarded the Peace Prize
>> in '94 because they had made significant progress (at least, up to a
>> point, *at the time*, which is what counts) toward Palestinian
>> independence, and therefore peace between the Israelis and the
>> Palestinians.
>
>The 'Palestinians' aren't interested in peace. They've made that
>abundantly clear.
Ohh, so you know what all the Palestinians think! And you put their
national identity in quotes, just like a typical racist piece of shit.
Gee, you sure like to talk out of both sides of your ass.
>Arafat's response to being handed everything he'd demanded over the
>years was his refusal to accept it and unleashing a wave of terror
>attacks across Israel. What a bit of peace that was.
You can stop lying about what they were offered, but until then, I
will not reduce myself to someone who has a need to respond to said
lie.
>>�ｿｽObama was awarded the prize because, *rightly or
>> wrongly*, other countries didn't like the Bush administration, and
>> Obama, *for whatever reasons others in the world had*, *rightly or
>> wrongly*, had changed relationships simply by taking over.
>
>Not in any way that's noticeable. He's kowtowing to the Europeans who
>are no more cooperative than they were under Bush; he's kowtowing to
>the terrorists who are still blowing up our troops and he's tossed a
>few of our allies under the bus. At least they got to meet his
>grandma.
>None of this did anything to advance the cause of peace.
So America and our "allies" (who are defined solely by people with
your views, of course) are the center of the universe, we get it,
redneck. What a great country, to have this insatiable need to toot
its own horn. Pathetic.
>> > Arafat was the Osama bin Laden
>> >of the 70's
>>
>> And yet you fail to mention the Israelis' insane oppression of
>> Palestine. �ｿｽBig surprise.
>
>Funny how that works. When the Israelis are nice to the 'Palestinians'
That has never occurred, you white-devil piece of trash.
>the 'Palestinians' blow up Israels left and right.
FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS. Duh.
> When the Israelis
>isolate the 'Palestinians' Israelis don't get blown up but anti-
>Semites come out of the woodwork decrying 'Israeli oppression'. Funny
>how you guys never seem to have a problem with 'Palestinian' terror
>attacks against Jews.
Bzzt. I am pro-Israel, but I am *equally* pro-Palestine. That means
being willing to criticize Israel. Something you clearly aren't
willing to do, since they help rid the world of your precious Raghead
Terrorist Problem. Oh, wait, they're the main cause of it, since
unlike you, I actually look at reality for what it is.
>And why is it Israel's responsibility to do anything for them anyway?
I never said it was. It is their responsibility to end the
occupation, *entirely*, though. Period. Did they "offer" them that?
Never happened, and your lies won't change that.
>Gaza borders on Egypt and Judea and Samaria border Jordan. Why don't
>you expect them to help out?
I expect America to fix the mess we created. I blame ourselves *way*
more than Israel. We've enabled the right-winger Israelis far more
than the average Israelis' paranoia ever could have. But I guess you
don't like that answer, either, since you're so defensive about
America's sins, you shit-eating redneck.
>'Palestinians'
Blatant racism again noted. Where are the quotes around "Israel" (not
that I would put that in quotes, personally)? Oh, *you* like the way
it all happened, so it's Automatically Right.
> used to be the middle management of the Arab world. The
>oil rich states would pay for their educations and young men from
>those areas would fan out all over the Arab world being shopkeepers,
>bookkeepers, teachers, etc. They made a decent living and were able to
>help support the family back home as well. Then came 1968. Suddenly it
>was more politically advantageous for the Arabs to use the
>'Palestinians' as pawns in a propaganda war so the school funding
>dried up and the jobs quit being offered. Why don't you have a
>problems with that? That's caused more 'Palestinian' suffering than
>anything Israel has done to defend itself from the terrorists next
>door.
Free hint: I'm not inexperienced enough with this subject matter to
feed into that one-sided idiocy. You can either acknowledge the whole
of the history, or get the fuck out of my face, redneck.
>> > and Obama got his for being president for two weeks.
>>
>> He has said that he doesn't feel *personally* justified in receiving
>> it. �ｿｽNonetheless, they gave it to him based on valid criteria.
>
>The sole criteria is that its supposed to go to someone who promoted
>world peace. Obama has done nothing to that end. The sole purpose in
>giving it to Obama was for a group of effete European snobs to give
>the finger one last time to Bush. Its actually caused such an uproar
>that there's talk of moving the Peace Prize to the Swedish committee
>that is more open in their selection process.
Gee, did it ever occur to you that they might just not have had a
better reason to give it to anyone else, this time around? You're so
eager to blame it on "effete European snobs", that you don't even
bother to consider anything else. But it doesn't matter, since you
also bring up Arafat's award without mentioning how the two Israelis,
who got the same fucking award, didn't deserve it anymore than he did,
and you spout all the biased propaganda that most Jews, including
Israeli ones, don't even believe.
At least I can admit hating you cracker cunts - can you admit hating
Arabs and blacks? Coward.
>> >Nothing really award worthy in either case.
>>
>> Well, now that you have proclaimed how unworthy they were, we can all
>> sit tight and feel proud to be Americans. �ｿｽExcept for the parts about
>> killing over 80% of the natives,
>
>Almost all of whom died from diseases that no one knew how to control
>at the time and not from any kind of assault by non-aboriginals.
Ohh, well, that makes it all better. What are you, just-plain
retarded? We *annihilated* the natives through war, and disease was a
big part of it, you bet. Good lord, you Manifest Destiny-believing,
flag-waving, gun-toting dipshit, get a fucking clue.
>> nuking Japan multiple times,
>
>In a war that Japan started with the purpose of saving an estimated
>1,000,000 US lives,
Hell, since we're just making up numbers to justify a genocide-like
attack on a conveniently-non-white race, why not make it a BILLION
Americans lives saved? I like the sound of that!
> two of whom were uncles of mine.
I'm sure the Palestinians, whose uncles got shot by Israeli troops in
Palestinian neighborhoods, really sympathize. Christ, you are one
pathetic soul. Sure, we melted the flesh of some innocent "Jap"
*peasants*, but at least your Valuable White Uncles lived to tell the
tale. Asswipe.
> It probably saved
>the Japanese from vanishing as a race as well. The defenses for Japan
>called for fighting to the last man and we were prepared to take that
>last man.
Blah, blah, blah. What a crock of shit. Japan was barely a second-
world country. We could've been more patient. It wouldn't have taken
a million more American soldiers dying. Then again, since we raced
into nuking them, TWICE, I guess we can't prove that one way or
another! How convenient, for us as the winners to write history, the
way we feel most self-congratulatory about. :)
>> the assassinations of JFK and MLK,
>
>Both of which were done by lone nuts and not really reflective of the
>country at all.
Since your entire family tree is doubtless made up of the redneck
radically-pro-military types who killed them, I'm not surprised you
would lie about it.
>> oppressing our own citizens based on racism,
>
>A practice that ended nearly two generations ago and largely ended by
>public pressure.
A practice which EXISTED *only* two generations ago, dumb fuck. Do
you even have a mind, at all?
>> being utterly hypocritical in our foreign policy, etc., etc.,
>> etc.
>
>Our foreign policy is geared towards achieving our ends. Sorry if you
>don't understand that.
Well, all it's gotten us is trouble. Or do you think 9/11 was about
converting us to Islam, or whatever moonshine-and-ammo-addled bullshit
your fellow dipshit crackers seem to believe?
>And since you hate America so openly why are you still here?
Listen, cocksucker, I was born in America, and that's that. I've put
up with all the other idiocy, but that shit doesn't fly with me. If
other people want to leave America, they can, but I'm not afraid of
you pathetic cowards. I'd rather stay and fight. I understand
cracker psychology, and I understand how weak and puny it is. We are
the future, and you are the past.
>> >I have made a blatant race baiting demagogue of the day award.
>> >Congratulations, Joel! What's it feel like to be a prize winner?
>>
>> Just because you didn't call Obama and Arafat niggers, doesn't mean
>> you weren't thinking it.
>
>Joel claims psychic powers.
I claim to be able to read between the lines, and in your reply after
that comment above, you said it right INSIDE the lines. Just because
you're too COWARDLY to say "raghead" or "nigger" doesn't make you any
less racist. You're just a FUCKING WEAK PUSSY who can't even say what
he means. You redneck, inbred, moonshine-drinking BITCH. I ain't
afraid to say what I think.
>> �ｿｽI'm not stupid
>
>Yes you are.
Look who's talking, you monkey-ass redneck hypocrite of a coward.
>>enough to think you're
>> balanced in your criticism of the various races (unless they're white
>> liberals such as Vice Pres. Gore, of course).
>
>So you're taking it as proof that I'm a racist because I not only
>criticized the Nobel Peace Prize Committee's selections for two years
>but that I also criticize white liberals? Are you seriously claiming
>that Nobel Peace Prize winner and liberal are races?
I'm saying that you consider white liberals to be race traitors. I
know you better than you know yourself.
>Of course I eagerly await your proof that anything I've posted was
>racially motivated.
You already did that, for me.
> But I don't expect it will be forthcoming. Like
>your fellow liberals when you've got nothing you scream 'racist'
>hoping the other guy will shut up. It ain't gonna work with me.
Yeah, you'd rather just choose your words carefully enough to create
plausible deniability. Cowardly white devil.
>Let's take a look at you. You decry Israel's attempts to prevent the
>deaths of its citizens at the hands of terrorist
I did no such thing. Oppressing Palestine is far beyond anything to
do with capturing/killing terrorists. I support Israel's right to
exist, but building a security wall through Palestinian territory is
not the way to achieve that in the long run. Apartheid creates anger,
bitterness, even hatred. You are just acting like some idiot who read
a biased article by a radical-right-wing Jew, but of course, you don't
need to be quite that lame, as a redneck who hates Arabs, since you
would love to borrow their inane bullshit as your own, anyway.
> but express no
>outrage over the terrorist's attacks.
Outrage at oppressed people's desperate attempt at feeling some
dignity? You're God damn right I express no outrage over that.
Israel should take *reasonable* steps to defend itself, but in the
long run, that's just not enough. We need to actually solve the
problem, and it begins with a complete END to the occupation.
Outrage, indeed. What a truly awful "human" you are. Outrage over
someone whose entire life has been ruined from birth, having the
courage to blow their own body up, in a "terrorist" attack. Of course
I'm not *happy* that innocent Israelis have been hurt and killed by
those attackers, but there's an old saying, "c'est la vie".
> You like to use racial epithets
>to describe people who are of a different skin shade than you.
Actually, I am genetically white. If that makes me just another race
traitor to some simple-minded-ass crackers, GOOD. I would no more be
proud of being white than I would be of tripping over my shoelaces.
Both are about as useful.
> You
>just assume that because you're an anti-Semite
Who's making ASSumptions, now?
> and a racist
There is no such thing as being racist against whites. Whites are the
*source* and *definition* of racism, not the victim.
> that
>everyone else is. Well we're not, Joel. Not even close.
Bullshit. I wouldn't believe your lies even if I were high.
> What's it like
>to be a two time winner, Joel?
Any award given by you is to be taken as rubbish.
>> And, at least I'm not being politically correct, right?
>
>All the drivel you spewed is straight out of the politically correct
>101 textbook.
Bullshit. I called you on your phony, lying COWARDICE, and you had to
resort to distortion and just-plain idiocy to try to weasel around it.
--
Joel Crump
Steve Carroll
> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> If you don't respect the way they award the prizes, you're entitled to
> >> >> along with the two Israelis, in that instance, met, and which Obama
>
> >> >That criteria is political correctness.
>
> >> Wrong.
>
> >Yes you are.
>
> Like I care what a redneck, psychotic, American Idiot thinks? Shove
> your world-destroying bullshit up your beef-laden colon, gun-toting
> fuckface.
Gee... troll Joel doesn't just have a great personality... he's also
amazingly lacking in many of the emotional issues that plague today's
youth;)
GreyCloud
At this point, I now can't even believe that the ph of the ocean has
changed much. If it is changing, it is change that occurs naturally.
Maybe someone can actually calculate how much would have to be added to
the oceans to cause the ph to change significantly. Now as far as the
corral reefs being damaged, I'm sure a marine biologist would have a
better explanation of the cause. But having the UN politicize science
is a bad turn for everyone. Scientists are held hostage to the UNs
cause, whatever that may be. In this case, it is the global carbon tax
to fund the UN ... and I'm sure they'd love more income and funding.
GreyCloud
Yes, and polar bears can swim for a long long time hunting seals.
The bogus notion that the polar bear population is going down due to
global warming is ridiculous and fraudulent on Al Gores part.
GreyCloud
It means that there is an elite power structure that wants a one world
government, and this gov wants a global carbon tax... known as a world
tax on everyone. How else could they finance their scheme?
Actually, no different than the US income tax to fund the government and
the Federal Reserve.
GreyCloud
> In article
> <ce833568-fe87-402c...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 22, 5:07 am, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <a414800a-33da-4cda-ace7-7590d4698...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
>>> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 22, 2:01 am, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>>> Are you still pretending that when a site almost exclusively has ads for
>>>>> fringe right-wing culture phenomena, one can't draw conclusions about
>>>>> its ideological underpinnings from this?
>>>> I'm saying you can't dispute the facts so you pound on the table and
>>>> hope no one notices. We did.
>>> See what I mean?
>> Could you make it more obvious that you can't dispute the facts?
>
> What facts? That some scientists sent some e-mail messages? You haven't
> offered any facts actually related to whether or not global warming
> exists.
>
You can download all at this url:
http://88.80.16.63/leak/climactic-research-unit-foi-leaked-data.zip
And that is one big file that includes the source code for their
computer model including the comments.
Basically, they got caught red handed this time.
GreyCloud
That is if it is really true. This hacked emails thing sort of puts all
of this as suspect.
ed
> ed wrote:
> > GreyCloud wrote:
> > <snip>
> >> I was just testing the Mayor on that last one. :D
>
> > uh huh...
>
> >> Even the article was dated April 1, 2009.
> >> But when fools start saying that the Polar Bears are drowning due to
> >> melting ice... that is the most ridiculous statement made. Polar bears
> >> have been seen 250 miles out at sea swimming after its prey. They're
> >> the best swimming mammals.
>
> > never heard of these things called "whales," "dolphins," "seals,"
> > etc, eh?
>
> Yes, and polar bears can swim for a long long time hunting seals.
you'll now explain what that has to do with your ridiculous claim that
polar bears are the "best swimming mammals"?
<snip>
Joel
>> Like I care what a redneck, psychotic, American Idiot thinks? �Shove
>> your world-destroying bullshit up your beef-laden colon, gun-toting
>> fuckface.
>
>Gee... troll Joel doesn't just have a great personality... he's also
>amazingly lacking in many of the emotional issues that plague today's
>youth;)
You mean like stalking people you met online? Yeah, gee, I wish I had
that issue. You're lucky I *don't* do stuff like that, 'cause I could
fuck you up permanently, if I were evil like that. You shouldn't be
so brave, in all seriousness, geek boy.
--
Joel Crump
Snit
11/23/09 4:53 PM:
>>> But CO2 isn't one of them. These people have demonized what we exhale
>>> everyday. CO2 is one of the essential gases of life.
>>> All of this actually hinges on a carbon tax on anything that breathes
>>> and the UN demonizes those that disagree. I do not call this science at
>>> all.
>>
>> The idea that there is plenty of CO2 in the air is not something that is
>> debated. Heck, I think most people even know that the amount humans put
>> into the air is pretty small compared to what naturally is added by decaying
>> plants, etc. But what humans add is enough to alter the balance and make
>> pretty drastic changes... altering the ph of the oceans and making other
>> changes we do not really fully understand.
>>
>>
>
> At this point, I now can't even believe that the ph of the ocean has
> changed much. If it is changing, it is change that occurs naturally.
Do you have any evidence to back this up?
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification>
> Maybe someone can actually calculate how much would have to be added to
> the oceans to cause the ph to change significantly. Now as far as the
> corral reefs being damaged, I'm sure a marine biologist would have a
> better explanation of the cause. But having the UN politicize science
> is a bad turn for everyone. Scientists are held hostage to the UNs
> cause, whatever that may be. In this case, it is the global carbon tax
> to fund the UN ... and I'm sure they'd love more income and funding.
No doubt politicizing science is bad... but it is also to some extent
inevitable. I am all for scientist who question the "status quo".
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Snit
11/23/09 5:04 PM:
>>> More CO2 would increase our food supply. I keep hearing from many
>>> sources, and also from the EPA wanting to classify CO2 as a pollutant.
>>> I think it was Arnold Schwarenegger that also talked about it.
>>> The UN is also calling CO2 now a poison. Imagine that!
>>
>> It also changes the ph of the oceans and does other things... really we do
>> not fully know what.
>>
>
> That is if it is really true. This hacked emails thing sort of puts all
> of this as suspect.
Hard to believe all the ocean ph readings have been faked.
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Mayor Of R'lyeh
> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> If you don't respect the way they award the prizes, you're entitled to
> >> >> along with the two Israelis, in that instance, met, and which Obama
>
> >> >That criteria is political correctness.
>
> >> Wrong.
>
> >Yes you are.
>
> Like I care what a redneck, psychotic, American Idiot thinks? Shove
> your world-destroying bullshit up your beef-laden colon, gun-toting
> fuckface.
>
> >> in '94 because they had made significant progress (at least, up to a
> >> point, *at the time*, which is what counts) toward Palestinian
> >> independence, and therefore peace between the Israelis and the
> >> Palestinians.
>
> >The 'Palestinians' aren't interested in peace. They've made that
> >abundantly clear.
>
> Ohh, so you know what all the Palestinians think! And you put their
> national identity in quotes, just like a typical racist piece of shit.
> Gee, you sure like to talk out of both sides of your ass.
>
> >Arafat's response to being handed everything he'd demanded over the
> >years was his refusal to accept it and unleashing a wave of terror
> >attacks across Israel. What a bit of peace that was.
>
> You can stop lying about what they were offered, but until then, I
> will not reduce myself to someone who has a need to respond to said
> lie.
>
> >> wrongly*, other countries didn't like the Bush administration, and
> >> Obama, *for whatever reasons others in the world had*, *rightly or
> >> wrongly*, had changed relationships simply by taking over.
>
> >Not in any way that's noticeable. He's kowtowing to the Europeans who
> >are no more cooperative than they were under Bush; he's kowtowing to
> >the terrorists who are still blowing up our troops and he's tossed a
> >few of our allies under the bus. At least they got to meet his
> >grandma.
> >None of this did anything to advance the cause of peace.
>
> So America and our "allies" (who are defined solely by people with
> your views, of course) are the center of the universe, we get it,
> redneck. What a great country, to have this insatiable need to toot
> its own horn. Pathetic.
>
> >> > Arafat was the Osama bin Laden
> >> >of the 70's
>
> >> And yet you fail to mention the Israelis' insane oppression of
>
> >The sole criteria is that its supposed to go to someone who promoted
> >world peace. Obama has done nothing to that end. The sole purpose in
> >giving it to Obama was for a group of effete European snobs to give
> >the finger one last time to Bush. Its actually caused such an uproar
> >that there's talk of moving the Peace Prize to the Swedish committee
> >that is more open in their selection process.
>
> Gee, did it ever occur to you that they might just not have had a
> better reason to give it to anyone else, this time around? You're so
> eager to blame it on "effete European snobs", that you don't even
> bother to consider anything else. But it doesn't matter, since you
> also bring up Arafat's award without mentioning how the two Israelis,
> who got the same fucking award, didn't deserve it anymore than he did,
> and you spout all the biased propaganda that most Jews, including
> Israeli ones, don't even believe.
>
> At least I can admit hating you cracker cunts - can you admit hating
> Arabs and blacks? Coward.
>
> >> >Nothing really award worthy in either case.
>
> >> Well, now that you have proclaimed how unworthy they were, we can all
There's nothing I could add that would help to expose you as the anti-
Semitic, racist, anti-American, pro-terrorist, uber politically
correct, left-wing nutjob that you are, so won't bother. I only hope
that you're caught before you go all Bill Ayres on us, unlike your
soulmate Major Hasan.
Sandman
<mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > ZnU:
> > > > > > > Are you still pretending that when a site almost
> > > > > > > exclusively has ads for fringe right-wing culture
> > > > > > > phenomena, one can't draw conclusions about its
> > > > > > > ideological underpinnings from this?
> > > > > > Mayor Of R'lyeh:
> > > > > > Mayor Of R'lyeh: I'm saying you can't dispute the facts so
> > > > > > you pound on the table and hope no one notices. We did.
> > > > > ZnU:
> > > > > See what I mean?
> > > > Mayor Of R'lyeh:
> > > > Mayor Of R'lyeh: Could you make it more obvious that you can't
> > > > dispute the facts?
> > > Sandman:
> > > I always enjoy it when you refer to your own posts as having
> > > contained "facts". Hilarious!
> > Steve Carroll:
> > While I won't comment on his source or his post some reputable
> > news agencies are on this story now. Apparently there was a break
> > in and, according to reports, the owners of the data/emails have
> > admitted the info stolen and shown on the internet was their info.
> > The question is: What does it really mean? Naturally, each side
> > will have their spin... I figure we're in for a protracted war
> > regarding interpretation;)
> GreyCloud:
> It means that there is an elite power structure that wants a one
> world government
Oh my. I never realized that you were this messed up... Maybe I just
missed it in the past...
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
<d1946d8f-d08d-44d9...@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > ZnU:
> > > > > > Are you still pretending that when a site almost
> > > > > > exclusively has ads for fringe right-wing culture
> > > > > > phenomena, one can't draw conclusions about its
> > > > > > ideological underpinnings from this?
> > > > > Mayor Of R'lyeh:
> > > > > I'm saying you can't dispute the facts so you pound on the
> > > > > table and hope no one notices. We did.
> > > > ZnU:
> > > > See what I mean?
> > > Mayor Of R'lyeh:
> > > Could you make it more obvious that you can't dispute the facts?
> > ZnU:
> > What facts? That some scientists sent some e-mail messages? You
> > haven't offered any facts actually related to whether or not
> > global warming exists.
> Mayor Of R'lyeh:
> Your playing dumb is getting to be a bit thin at this point. The
> story is all over the place now. It even made the only source you
> find credible.
As a response, Clyde again merely says that some emails have existed,
fully aware that he again dodges the question of actual facts
regarding global warming, rather than facts about the existence of
emails.
How predictable :-D
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
<dd50b6a6-b5be-4400...@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
> > Joel:
> > Arafat, Rabin and Peres were jointly awarded the Peace Prize in
> > '94 because they had made significant progress (at least, up to a
> > point, *at the time*, which is what counts) toward Palestinian
> > independence, and therefore peace between the Israelis and the
> > Palestinians.
> Mayor Of R'lyeh:
> The 'Palestinians' aren't interested in peace. They've made that
> abundantly clear.
So they have something in common with americans, huh? :-D
--
Sandman[.net]
-hh
>
> Oh my. I never realized that you were this messed up... Maybe
> I just missed it in the past...
Was pretty much thinking the same thing, particularly with this
convoluted mixing of conspiracy theories.
The simple bottom line regarding the original topic is that modeling &
simulation isn't an exact science by definition, and there are always
going to be technical issues in terms of how to
best ...professionally... address data voids and apparent data source
contradictions.
For example, the issue of tree ring -vs- thermometer histograms is the
result of a divergence from nearly **50** years ago: its not like the
issue hasn't been known and researched ... and interim work-arounds
developed ... while awaiting the day whereupon the divergence is
finally understood. As such, anyone who points at this problem as
"PROOF!" that the temperature models are false is simply hanging his
hat on a single modeling element while ignoring hundreds of other
elements.
This behavior is a classical textbook example of 'Confirmation Bias'
which utterly discredits to those who have fallen victim to it.
FWIW, contemporary publications reveal that the estimated contribution
of the Earth's natural greenhouse effect is that it has raised the
average worldwide temperature by 32C (58F), from -18C to +14C. Since
the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, it has been estimated that
CO2 concentrations have increased by +30%, methane +100%, NOx
+15%...and in that same time period, global mean surface temperatures
have risen by 0.4-0.8C. However, part of the reason why we don't
definitively know if this causality assumption is correct is because
of the extent that the change due to the sun's output...its estimated
that its going to take another 30 years until this is effectively
resolved.
In the meantime, the real question is to what degree have there
already been triggered various "tipping points" that will precipitate
changes in the world's political order. An interesting retrospective
is Brian Fagan's "The Little Ice Age" that identifies major events in
European history that now appear to have been triggered by climatic
shifts...FYI, the cessation of colonization of North America by the
Scandinavians ... centuries before 1492... is but one example. Those
that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
-hh
Sandman
<069bf9de-ced0-4a92...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
-hh <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> > Sandman:
> > Oh my. I never realized that you were this messed up... Maybe I
> > just missed it in the past...
> -Hh:
> Was pretty much thinking the same thing, particularly with this
> convoluted mixing of conspiracy theories.
>
> The simple bottom line regarding the original topic is that modeling
> & simulation isn't an exact science by definition, and there are
> always going to be technical issues in terms of how to best
> ...professionally... address data voids and apparent data source
> contradictions.
Even when considering that, I wouldn't be stupid enough to pass
judgement on any method without being in the same field of science
myself. It's easy to sit by and watch the content of a couple of
emails and draw prejudged conclusions on that. The hard part is to
actually find something that supports that judgement.
> For example, the issue of tree ring -vs- thermometer histograms is
> the result of a divergence from nearly **50** years ago: its not
> like the issue hasn't been known and researched ... and interim
> work-arounds developed ... while awaiting the day whereupon the
> divergence is finally understood. As such, anyone who points at
> this problem as "PROOF!" that the temperature models are false is
> simply hanging his hat on a single modeling element while ignoring
> hundreds of other elements.
ANd that's just scratching the surface of the already thin ice on
which they stand on while doing the pointing.
> This behavior is a classical textbook example of 'Confirmation Bias'
> which utterly discredits to those who have fallen victim to it.
My point exactly.
> FWIW, contemporary publications reveal that the estimated
> contribution of the Earth's natural greenhouse effect is that it has
> raised the average worldwide temperature by 32C (58F), from -18C to
> +14C. Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, it has been
> estimated that CO2 concentrations have increased by +30%, methane
> +100%, NOx +15%...and in that same time period, global mean surface
> temperatures have risen by 0.4-0.8C. However, part of the reason
> why we don't definitively know if this causality assumption is
> correct is because of the extent that the change due to the sun's
> output...its estimated that its going to take another 30 years until
> this is effectively resolved.
If even then. But I'm not all that interested in whether climate
science is "correct" or not, I'm more amazed at how few the straws are
that the detractors of said science is grasping at. And how eagerly
they try to build a case using them.
--
Sandman[.net]
Steve Carroll
> Steve Carroll <fretw...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Like I care what a redneck, psychotic, American Idiot thinks? Shove
> >> your world-destroying bullshit up your beef-laden colon, gun-toting
> >> fuckface.
>
> >Gee... troll Joel doesn't just have a great personality... he's also
> >amazingly lacking in many of the emotional issues that plague today's
> >youth;)
>
> You mean like stalking people you met online?
Yeah... you should stop doing that. I now admit I was wrong about
you;)
Snit
19258c5b-960e-4de2...@k9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com on 11/23/09
6:48 PM:
> There's nothing I could add that would help to expose you as the anti-
> Semitic, racist, anti-American, pro-terrorist, uber politically
> correct, left-wing nutjob that you are, so won't bother. I only hope
> that you're caught before you go all Bill Ayres on us, unlike your
> soulmate Major Hasan.
Not that more proof was needed of your insanity, but thanks, I guess, for
posting that.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
GreyCloud
Correct. Right now, the peer review process has been circumvented.
These so-called scientists, according to the press, have been caught
hiding the real data and putting in bogus data to bolster their cause.
OTW, scientists at the IPCC have been corrupted. Worse, the public now
may very well distrust anything any scientist will tell them. And that
is BAD for all of us. It is like when Bush went to the same trouble to
get us into the second persian gulf war on made up accusations. And
then Obama made a campaign promise to get us out of the war. He did a
flip-flop and we are still there. This is what shows that there is a
false left-wing/right-wing paradigm. A real political activist should
pay close attention to the precinct committee officers and the integrity
of their character... like when our county voted 72% in favor of Ron
Paul for president and only have the precinct officers toss it out and
cast their vote for Mitt Romney. Pure fraud. So now our own county and
people are still in the process of removing these clowns for good people.
GreyCloud
You are doing the pure side step shuffle there ed. Polar bears have
been seen 250 miles out in the ocean going after their favorite prey...
seals. My claim stands. Are you one of those that think Al Gore is
your new god and saviour?
GreyCloud
Guffaw!! You nutjobs are still in denial and really haven't the
slightest clue as to what is really going on ... the usual ad hominem
attacks you put out without any real data to go on. Just shows your
true nature and the quality of your character.
Snit
11/24/09 4:31 PM:
I am not saying this has not happened, it likely to some extent has. But
there are many peer reviewed journals and other avenues of getting info "out
there". I do not accept the idea that this a global conspiracy that covers
all countries (well, all who are working on these things).
> OTW, scientists at the IPCC have been corrupted. Worse, the public now
> may very well distrust anything any scientist will tell them. And that
> is BAD for all of us.
This I can agree with. And if it is true that these scientists were
corrupting the process they *should* be called out on it.
> It is like when Bush went to the same trouble to get us into the second
> persian gulf war on made up accusations.
And his obvious disdain for science.
> And then Obama made a campaign promise to get us out of the war. He did a
> flip-flop and we are still there.
But he has a plan. :)
> This is what shows that there is a false left-wing/right-wing paradigm. A
> real political activist should pay close attention to the precinct committee
> officers and the integrity of their character... like when our county voted
> 72% in favor of Ron Paul for president and only have the precinct officers
> toss it out and cast their vote for Mitt Romney. Pure fraud. So now our own
> county and people are still in the process of removing these clowns for good
> people.
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GreyCloud
Here it is. The real fact is this: since the 1960s the world has been
cooling off. During the last decade, the temperature change is 0.0 C.
How come when other scientists ask for the computer model code for peer
review process are told they can't have it? You call this science?
I call it a corruption.
GreyCloud
Cap and trade is the end result. You will be paying more in taxes, and
if you want to pay more taxes, you can also pay for my share of these
corrupt taxes as well. Keep spinning your lies for the new world order
as you will also be kept with the rest of us.
GreyCloud
I can believe it. There are top climate scientists that have been
snubbed when they asked for how the data was taken. The peer review
process has been corrupted, so I think it was timely that these hackers
actually got ahold of these files just before the Copenhagen meetings
that are going to take place next month.
http://88.80.16.63/leak/climactic-research-unit-foi-leaked-data.zip
Hopefully, this is still there. I will find the time to look over it.
The odd thing to take into account is that russian servers are holding
this stuff. So now I have to ask the question: is someone out to derail
the Kyoto type treaty?
Snit
11/24/09 4:43 PM:
Many groups have looked at pH levels...
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ed
> >>>> Polar bears
> >>>> have been seen 250 miles out at sea swimming after its prey. They're
> >>>> the best swimming mammals.
> >>> never heard of these things called "whales," "dolphins," "seals,"
> >>> etc, eh?
> >> Yes, and polar bears can swim for a long long time hunting seals.
>
> > you'll now explain what that has to do with your ridiculous claim that
> > polar bears are the "best swimming mammals"?
>
> You are doing the pure side step shuffle there ed. Polar bears have
> been seen 250 miles out in the ocean going after their favorite prey...
> seals. My claim stands.
because... you think swimming 250 miles out makes them better
swimmers than whales, dolphines, and seals? how well, or how poorly,
do you think whales swim there greycloud?
> Are you one of those that think Al Gore is
> your new god and saviour?
no.
Joel
>> >Gee... troll Joel doesn't just have a great personality... he's also
>> >amazingly lacking in many of the emotional issues that plague today's
>> >youth;)
>>
>> You mean like stalking people you met online?
>
>Yeah... you should stop doing that. I now admit I was wrong about
>you;)
Step off, lying coward.
--
Joel Crump
Sandman
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> >> GreyCloud:
> >> It means that there is an elite power structure that wants a one
> >> world government
> >
> > Oh my. I never realized that you were this messed up... Maybe I just
> > missed it in the past...
> >
>
> Guffaw!! You nutjobs are still in denial
Haha!
--
Sandman[.net]
-hh
No thanks.
My personal ethics are that I am not interested in reading the private
emails of law-abiding citizens whose privacy has been breached without
their consent.
The fact that you are willing to promulgate these speaks volumes
regarding your lack of ethics.
> The real fact is this: since the 1960s the world has been
> cooling off.
According to tree ring data, true. But according to direct
thermometer readings, false.
This is precisely the kind of confirmation bias (by choosing the
measurement scale which gives you what you want to hear) that has
discredited all of your claims.
There's multiple data sources to consider and they aren't in lockstep
agreement, because reality is far more complex than our understanding
of the overall system (and thus our attempts to model it). This also
includes statistical variance, which is quite evident in this chart:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
File:Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png>
> During the last decade, the temperature change is 0.0 C.
Not per the above citation.
Sure, there's transient down-trends in the above, but this is
partially statistical noice: the average trend becomes much more clear
once one time-averages the data. Even the 5 year running average in
the above shows that there's been roughly a +0.1C increase in the five
year running average over the past decade.
And that's despite being at the ebb in the 30 year solar sunspot
cycle, which has probably reduced the Earth's energy input by very
roughly 3ZW/year.
> How come when other scientists ask for the computer model code for peer
> review process are told they can't have it? You call this science?
> I call it a corruption.
Are you _really_ this ignorant? I would have expected far better...it
appears that Sandman is quite correct.
The facts are that there's multiple factors at play which are barriers
to unfettered disclosure, not the least of which includes IP rights
and industrial shills who were getting papers published while avoiding
scientific peer review, along with the journals who allowed the latter
to happen, which is clearly not in the best interest of pure
science.
All attempts to try to place blame on the email-expressed outrange at
the so-called professional journals who were publishing papers which
had not been peer-reviewed...
...indeed, an activity which is clearly is not in the interest of the
advancement of science....
...simply the motives of those who would prefer to "shoot the
messenger" rather than to pay attention to the honest attempts at good
science.
This is the simplest way that their personal bias are being revealed,
which makes all of their claims of political agnosticism in pursuit
of pure science simply not credible.
"Strike two", Greycloud.
-hh
-hh
> ed wrote:
>
> > you'll now explain what that has to do with your ridiculous claim that
> > polar bears are the "best swimming mammals"?
>
> You are doing the pure side step shuffle there ed. Polar bears have
> been seen 250 miles out in the ocean going after their favorite prey...
> seals. My claim stands.
They may have been spotted 'chasing', but that doesn't mean that they
actually caught any seals.
Which do you really think can *swim* faster: a seal or a bear?
The habitat reality is that Polar Bears are a land animal that can
swim, not a sea animal that can walk on land. Polar Bears' habitat
needs to have sea ice in order to restrict the free mobility of
waterborne seals so that the bears can then successfully ambush them
at breathing holes, etc.
FWIW, this habitat-based mobility restriction has also allowed Polar
Bears to sometimes also be successful in hunting/killing whales.
Strike three.
-hh
ZnU
<d1946d8f-d08d-44d9...@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 3:13�pm, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <ce833568-fe87-402c-937c-c21d2412a...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > �"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 22, 5:07�am, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <a414800a-33da-4cda-ace7-7590d4698...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > �"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Nov 22, 2:01�am, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > Are you still pretending that when a site almost exclusively has
> > > > > > ads for
> > > > > > fringe right-wing culture phenomena, one can't draw conclusions
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > its ideological underpinnings from this?
> >
> > > > > I'm saying you can't dispute the facts so you pound on the table and
> > > > > hope no one notices. We did.
> >
> > > > See what I mean?
> >
> > > Could you make it more obvious that you can't dispute the facts?
> >
> > What facts? That some scientists sent some e-mail messages? You haven't
> > offered any facts actually related to whether or not global warming
> > exists.
> >
> Your playing dumb is getting to be a bit thin at this point. The story
> is all over the place now. It even made the only source you find
> credible.
You don't appear to be reading for comprehension.
[snip]
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
Dave Fritzinger
For what it is worth, I read that seals are a polar bear's main source
of food. The seals require Arctic ice to raise their young. Thus, when
the ice is gone, the main food source for the polar bears will be
gone, and they will most likely go extinct.
Tim Murray
> I see you still think that the fact the reality has a liberal
> bias gives you valid cause to ignore it.
Fact has no bias.
Sandman
<6587401f-9de7-49b7...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
Dave Fritzinger <dfri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Ed:
> > > > you'll now explain what that has to do with your ridiculous
> > > > claim that polar bears are the "best swimming mammals"?
> > > GreyCloud:
> > > You are doing the pure side step shuffle there ed. Polar bears
> > > have been seen 250 miles out in the ocean going after their
> > > favorite prey... seals. My claim stands.
> > -Hh:
> > They may have been spotted 'chasing', but that doesn't mean that
> > they actually caught any seals.
> >
> > Which do you really think can *swim* faster: a seal or a bear?
> >
> > The habitat reality is that Polar Bears are a land animal that can
> > swim, not a sea animal that can walk on land. Polar Bears' habitat
> > needs to have sea ice in order to restrict the free mobility of
> > waterborne seals so that the bears can then successfully ambush
> > them at breathing holes, etc.
> >
> > FWIW, this habitat-based mobility restriction has also allowed
> > Polar Bears to sometimes also be successful in hunting/killing
> > whales.
> >
> > Strike three.
> Dave Fritzinger:
> For what it is worth, I read that seals are a polar bear's main
> source of food. The seals require Arctic ice to raise their young.
> Thus, when the ice is gone, the main food source for the polar bears
> will be gone, and they will most likely go extinct.
Which actually makes sense, as opposed to greyclouds ramblings :)
--
Sandman[.net]
Fa-groon
(in article <0001HW.C732D813...@news.eternal-september.org>):
But it is interesting how the perception of this subject runs along
ideological lines. Liberals almost universally buy the idea of man-made
Global Warming, while Conservatives almost universally reject the notion. I
do know this, somebody is almost certainly wrong. Which one? Follow the money
and you'll find the real answer.
GreyCloud
These people went so far as getting peer reviewed articles banned from
these journals. It is in the emails.
It is these leaders at CRU that should be scrutinized and investigated.
>
>> OTW, scientists at the IPCC have been corrupted. Worse, the public now
>> may very well distrust anything any scientist will tell them. And that
>> is BAD for all of us.
>
> This I can agree with. And if it is true that these scientists were
> corrupting the process they *should* be called out on it.
>
The hacked emails pretty much prove that they did. It is called
conspiracy and most don't like to use that word any more.
>> It is like when Bush went to the same trouble to get us into the second
>> persian gulf war on made up accusations.
>
> And his obvious disdain for science.
>
>> And then Obama made a campaign promise to get us out of the war. He did a
>> flip-flop and we are still there.
>
> But he has a plan. :)
LOL! I'm sure he does. :-))
GreyCloud
You are still side stepping the point, ed. Al Gore and his cult
followers actually believe that the melting arctic ice will cause the
extinction of the polar bears and that these bears will drown due to the
lack of ice. So don't get pedantic on one fine point and miss the main
point of all the lies that Al Gore and bunch have been pushing onto the
public. Al Gore stands to make a boatload of money on his carbon credit
scam.
>
>
>> Are you one of those that think Al Gore is
>> your new god and saviour?
>
> no.
One point in your favor.
Snit
11/25/09 1:38 PM:
>>> Correct. Right now, the peer review process has been circumvented.
>>> These so-called scientists, according to the press, have been caught
>>> hiding the real data and putting in bogus data to bolster their cause.
>>
>> I am not saying this has not happened, it likely to some extent has. But
>> there are many peer reviewed journals and other avenues of getting info "out
>> there". I do not accept the idea that this a global conspiracy that covers
>> all countries (well, all who are working on these things).
>
> These people went so far as getting peer reviewed articles banned from
> these journals. It is in the emails.
> It is these leaders at CRU that should be scrutinized and investigated.
I absolutely agree that they should be investigated, but still do not see
how any group could stop something as easily measured as ocean pH from being
published. There has got to be *lots* of people who have verified the data.
>>> OTW, scientists at the IPCC have been corrupted. Worse, the public now
>>> may very well distrust anything any scientist will tell them. And that
>>> is BAD for all of us.
>>
>> This I can agree with. And if it is true that these scientists were
>> corrupting the process they *should* be called out on it.
>
> The hacked emails pretty much prove that they did. It is called
> conspiracy and most don't like to use that word any more.
Would like to see more on what they conspired to do and just whom was
involved.
>>> It is like when Bush went to the same trouble to get us into the second
>>> persian gulf war on made up accusations.
>>
>> And his obvious disdain for science.
>>
>>> And then Obama made a campaign promise to get us out of the war. He did a
>>> flip-flop and we are still there.
>>
>> But he has a plan. :)
>
> LOL! I'm sure he does. :-))
--
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GreyCloud
> GreyCloud <m...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>> ed wrote:
>>
>>> you'll now explain what that has to do with your ridiculous claim that
>>> polar bears are the "best swimming mammals"?
>> You are doing the pure side step shuffle there ed. Polar bears have
>> been seen 250 miles out in the ocean going after their favorite prey...
>> seals. My claim stands.
>
> They may have been spotted 'chasing', but that doesn't mean that they
> actually caught any seals.
>
But they do catch seals, otherwise they wouldn't pursue them so far.
> Which do you really think can *swim* faster: a seal or a bear?
>
Actually, that bear has the stamina and smarts to get the seal. And has
been documented in many National Geographic shows in the past.
>
> The habitat reality is that Polar Bears are a land animal that can
> swim, not a sea animal that can walk on land. Polar Bears' habitat
> needs to have sea ice in order to restrict the free mobility of
> waterborne seals so that the bears can then successfully ambush them
> at breathing holes, etc.
Polar bears don't need ice to survive. This is the fallacy. A lot of
these eco-nuts that follow Al Gore around actually believe that polar
bears are drowning due to the melting polar ice, which in fact they
don't and their numbers are growing not diminishing.
>
> FWIW, this habitat-based mobility restriction has also allowed Polar
> Bears to sometimes also be successful in hunting/killing whales.
>
> Strike three.
Guffaw!!!
Keep drinking gores kool-aid.
GreyCloud
Another fallacy. Ever visit the oregon coasts Sea Lion caves? No ice
there.
GreyCloud
Guffaw!!! You really do need an education. Ever visit the Oregon coast
sea lion caves? Lots of seals.
GreyCloud
Don't like the truth that your cult leaders have lied to you, eh?
<snipped liberal lies>
<***SPANK***> <***SPANK***> <***SPANK***> stay out of your mothers
liquor cabinet.
GreyCloud
Guffaw!!
Another nutjob that has his head buried in the sand. Is that why you
are called Sandman?
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
Dave Fritzinger
> Sandman wrote:
> > In article
> > <6587401f-9de7-49b7-bcdf-45f469c78...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
Did you ever think that polar bears don't prey on that particular
species of seal? And that the species of seal they do prey on requires
ice shelfs for mating and raising their young?
GreyCloud
These liberal clowns really don't like having someone come around and
tip over the Al Gore Kook-aid table.
GreyCloud
Even more astonishing is that they actually believe that they have the
technology and power to reverse something that doesn't even exist.
GreyCloud
Oh, I believe that they actually measured the ph levels... it is what is
done with the raw data that matters.
I looked into the source code and found that a lot of the code was
written in a language whose source files end in a ".pro" format.
They've used F90, F77, for most. I also found one where the fortran
source file generates cloud dispersion numbers... not from any measured
data because the code comments claim that another fellow by the name of
Tim lost the data. This isn't science... it is fraud.
Fa-groon
(in article <VOudna5UINfoBZDW...@bresnan.com>):
Does it not exist? I wonder?
Snit
11/25/09 3:57 PM:
The debate is really quite silly - in principle, does *anyone* not agree
with the idea that there is far too much pollution and it clearly does harm
to ecosystems and people? Sure, we can debate the details of what it will
do and when, and what pollutants are most important to focus on, but the
idea that pollution is a major problem with no easy solution is not in
debate. Is it? Does anyone but Rush Limbaugh disagree with this?
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-hh
>
> For what it is worth, I read that seals are a polar bear's main source
> of food. The seals require Arctic ice to raise their young.
More accurately, all Pinnipeds require giving birth to their young and
early rearing *out* of the water.
> Thus, when the ice is gone, the main food source for the polar bears
> will be gone, and they will most likely go extinct.
In habitats where there's sea ice available for raising young, the net
result is an expansion of the available supportable habitat. As
such, when the Arctic ice declines, so too will the habitat for
raising young and thus the seals will clearly decline, even if they
relocate to coastal lands ... too many seals on too little browse
habitat = starvation. The predators will be able to follow somewhat
and will also invariably decline until a new population balance is
found - - assuming no catastrophic die-offs of the seals - - but this
doesn't reconcile a "lean harvest" which proves insufficient for the
polar bears to then be able to survive deep winter in hibernation.
As per Ian Stirling's studies ("What Makes a Polar Bear Tick?"; ISBN
0-472-10100-5), polar bears have developed the capability of fasting
for several months which they typically do during late summer and
early fall, because this is when they cannot hunt for seals ***
because the sea is unfrozen *** (yes, emphasis added).
-hh
MuahMan
>
> - Show quoted text -
Polar Bear stew is terrific, so is seal blubber. Darwin says "hi"
What a bummer. If we could only find a way to make liberals,
democrats, and socialists such as yourself to extinct we'd be set.
MuahMan
Quit cut and pasting from the Liberals Shitheelz Weekly. Come up with
a thought on your own please.