Mac advocacy again: Springer changes to Mac
Dave Fritzinger
From the article:
In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias Döpfner lists
four reasons for the change:
Most of the company’s layout work was already being done on Macs
Macs are more user friendly than other computers
Apple creates the most elegant computers
Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
past
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
Steve de Mena
It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on
these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to
support.
"Apple creates the most elegant computers". Wow, I'm glad he's not
the CEO of my company.
Steve
Timberwoof
Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing
company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry
in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative,
creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work
environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube
farm with Windows.
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Steve de Mena
They're going to be using Windows too. Just on Macs.
I don't see the business justification spending more on tools
(computer hardware) just because of their looks. I wonder what
percentage of their employees are actually involved in the
"imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine
HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
Steve
Timberwoof
Over the years I have learned to be distrustful of business majors and
lawyers who think they can build a business by hiring "routine HR,
finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs" and ignoring the
creative staff. I wonder how they think they can get anything done.
Maybe you can explain to use why O'Reilly went to all OS X for their
operation.
Steve de Mena
Do you have proof of that? As I understand it, they let users choose
what they want - Linux, Windows, OS X.
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/mac-pcs-in-the-corporate-marke.html
(see last sentence)
Steve
Mike
I suppose one might just say from your comments you're just not a
"creative type" who appreciates the work environment as well as the
tools they work with.
Have you ever been around "creatives" in the process of their work to
see how "ideas", the guts of an ad, layout come together? I'd be will
ing to think you like drab, period.
--
Mike
Steve de Mena
I worked for years in a radio station, choosing the music played,
producing programs, etc. We certainly didn't pick tools we used for
how they looked or felt. A work computer is just a tool that sits on
their desk. I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer lighting.
Steve
Mike
Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need
a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the
content available.
IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you
weren't.
> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for
> how they looked or felt. A work computer is just a tool that sits on
> their desk. I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer lighting.
The chair and/or lighting come after the tools.
IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates
such things.
>
> Steve
--
Mike
Steve de Mena
We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music
programming with a computer database program I wrote. You don't
consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work,
or "content"? Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?
> IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you
> weren't.
>> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for
>> how they looked or felt. A work computer is just a tool that sits on
>> their desk. I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer lighting.
>
> The chair and/or lighting come after the tools.
>
> IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates
> such things.
Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the
most money possible for their shareholders. And I'd hardly consider
their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".
Steve
Timberwoof
Hm. That's news ... recent news. The last I read was what I said. It's
hard to find the specific article where they said that, for O'Reilly
publishes a lot of books about OS X, and they're what show up on
searches. Three cheers for you: You get to score a debating point.
MuahMan
wrote:
> In article <rIWdnTXTWv7mcvPVnZ2dnUVZ_vjin...@giganews.com>,> > > In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szin...@giganews.com>,> > >>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>,
> > (see last sentence)
>
> Hm. That's news ... recent news. The last I read was what I said. It's
> hard to find the specific article where they said that, for O'Reilly
> publishes a lot of books about OS X, and they're what show up on
> searches. Three cheers for you: You get to score a debating point.
>
> --
> Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
> "When you post sewage, don't blame others for
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jerry Springer is a moron. Who cares what computer he uses!
Dave Fritzinger
You ignorant fool. They aren't talking about Jerry Springer. They are
talking about a major publishing house, that publishes, for example,
Die Welt, one of the major German newspapers. And you said they don't
allow Macs in business. God, it must suck to be you, living with your
mama, and all that...
Steve de Mena
They said the systems would be installed with OS X, Windows Vista and
Windows XP. So we don't know how much OS X migration this really
consists of. I'd love to know what sort of kick-back/deal they got
on this.
Steve
Steve de Mena
> You ignorant fool. They aren't talking about Jerry Springer. They are
> talking about a major publishing house, that publishes, for example,
> Die Welt, one of the major German newspapers. And you said they don't
> allow Macs in business. God, it must suck to be you, living with your
> mama, and all that...
> --
> Dave Fritzinger
> Honolulu, HI
So when Springer installs Windows Vista or Windows XP on some of these
new Macs, which they said they would, which vendor do they go to for
support? If they had bought Dell or HP machines they would get OS
support for free for the life of the warranty, 3 or 4 years usually.
Is Apple supporting machines with XP or Vista installed on them?
Steve
MuahMan
>
> - Show quoted text -
LOL! Go buy yourself a sense of humor you turd.
P.S. Macs are 100% banished from the workplace. Why? Because they are
toys.
Chance Furlong
Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> They said the systems would be installed with OS X, Windows Vista and
> Windows XP. So we don't know how much OS X migration this really
> consists of. I'd love to know what sort of kick back/deal they got
> on this.
>
> Steve
Better take a giant shit, Steve, because it is getting eyebrow deep. And
give us proof that Springer took kick backs from Apple.
Steve de Mena
Did I say they took kick backs from Apple? Read again.
I wonder what their owners (the shareholders) think of the company
wasting money like this?
Steve
Dave Fritzinger
Why should I assume you were making a joke, mama's boy? I'm sure no
one ever lost money by underestimating your intelligence.
>
> P.S. Macs are 100% banished from the workplace. Why? Because they are
> toys.
Except, where this article demonstrates, when they are allowed in the
workplace. Just like, at UH, Macs are very common in the School of
Medicine. And, as this article demonstrates, you are a pitiful liar
who spends all his time trying to denigrate the Mac. What a pitiful
life you must have.
Dave Fritzinger
One of their publications, Die Welt, is one of the more highly
respected newspapers in Germany.
Tim Smith
What "National Enquirer"-type magazine does Springer Verlag publish?
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--Tim Smith
Tim Adams
You have some support data that they are indeed "wasting money"?
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Tony Rizz
"MuahMan" <mua...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fc373562-a10b-4bf7...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Fritzinger is a moron. Who cares what he thinks?
Tony Rizz
"Steve de Mena" <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote in message
news:CLWdnUcw46Q-dPLV...@giganews.com...
> Chance Furlong wrote:
>> In article <co2dnRyzRbZTQvLV...@giganews.com>,
>> Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They said the systems would be installed with OS X, Windows Vista and
>>> Windows XP. So we don't know how much OS X migration this really
>>> consists of. I'd love to know what sort of kick back/deal they got on
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> Better take a giant shit, Steve, because it is getting eyebrow deep. And
>> give us proof that Springer took kick backs from Apple.
Take a giant shit, Steve, Furlong is hungry.
Dave Fritzinger
> "MuahMan" <muah...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Now, is this zara or mama's boy that I am going to killfile? Anyway,
welcome to my bozo bin, you bozo.
<plonk>
Craig Koller
Great. The more the merrier. Choice is good. Competition is good. We all
win.
>
> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools
> (computer hardware) just because of their looks. I wonder what
> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the
> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine
> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
>
> Steve
See above. There's no reason everybody has to be locked into MS
solutions, even if they do "uncreative" stuff. VisiCalc originated on
Apple gear. The scientific community likes Apple. MacOS and Apple
DevTools are robust and will integrate with the iPhone platform. There's
no reason enterprise data and apps can't live on MacOS.
It's Microsoft that's steered everybody into their proprietary corner,
and succeeded for the past two decades - fair play to them. That users
wouldn't be clamoring for open file formats, more OS choice and more
bloody platform competition is more concerning. Borders on Stockholm
syndrome...
Craig Koller
Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
I'd imagine they support the machines up to where MacOS interacts with
the 3rd party software, whether that be MS, Adobe or anybody else. No
doubt IT will have to resolve Windows problems with MS, Parallels/VMWare
and Apple.
But consider that they'll have a much smaller hardware/peripheral
variable set to mess with. If their overall IT cost doesn't go down,
that would be good reason to switch back to Dell/HP/etc. and Windows.
Bet that doesn't happen...
Steve de Mena
Look it up.
Steve
Steve de Mena
So now their own IT has to do what Dell and HP provided for free before.
Steve
Steve de Mena
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild-Zeitung
Bild is tabloid in style, although actually broadsheet in size. It is
the best-selling newspaper in Europe and has the seventh-largest
circulation worldwide.[citation needed] Its motto, prominently
displayed below the logo, is unabhängig, überparteilich (independent,
nonpartisan). Bild's nearest English-language stylistic and
journalistic equivalent is often considered to be The Sun in the UK -
the second highest selling European tabloid newspaper - with which it
shares a degree of rivalry
Steve
Tim Smith
That's published by Axel Springer AG, a newspaper company started by
Axel Springer in the 1940's. Springer Verlag is a publisher of academic
books and journals started in 1842 by Julius Springer. Those two
Springers, and those two companies, are unrelated.
Springer-Verlag was bought by a couple investment groups in 2003 and
merged with a Dutch academic publisher those groups also bought. They
are the biggest publisher of science and medical books in the world
(5500 new books a year), and second biggest publisher of journals (1900
journals--number one publishes 2000 journals).
--
--Tim Smith
Steve de Mena
Huh????
Both Bild and Die Welt are published by the company that is switching
to Mac hardware.
I couldn't give a fuck what the actual name of the company is.
Steve
Steve de Mena
Verlag is german for "publisher" so its an easy mistake to make. I
think it is pointless to bring up the fact that that actual company
name publishes some other type of book.
Steve
Steve de Mena
Since you started this....
"Axel Springer AG" used to be named "Axel Springer Verlag AG".
And "Springer-Verlag", as far as I can tell, doesn't exist by that
name any more. Its current name is "Springer Science+Business Media":
http://www.springer-sbm.de/
Steve
Craig Koller
Bottom line - if it's a bigger hassle, they'll switch back. See you in
3-5 years.
Tim Smith
Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> "Axel Springer AG" used to be named "Axel Springer Verlag AG".
That's this company:
<http://www.axelspringer.de/englisch/unterneh/frame.htm>
It was started in 1946 by Hinrich Springer and his son Axel Springer.
> And "Springer-Verlag", as far as I can tell, doesn't exist by that
> name any more. Its current name is "Springer Science+Business Media":
> http://www.springer-sbm.de/
And that is a completely different company, totally unrelated to Axel
Springer AG. Here's their timeline:
<http://www.springer-sbm.de/index.php?id=199>
When people say "Springer Verlag", they are usually talking about
"Springer-Verlag" (and people are going to keep calling them
Springer-Verlag, despite the name change a few years ago, because pretty
much every mathematician and computer scientist in the world, and nearly
every scientific or technical library, has a whole bunch of their books
from before the name change, with their distinctive logo and the words
"Springer-Verlag" on them. It's going to take many many years before
popular usage adopts the new name).
Hence, when you said "Springer Verlag" published a tabloid newspaper, I
was curious what paper that was, as it seemed out of place for what I'd
expect from Springer-Verlag.
I don't know which of these two Springers have switched to Macs.
--
--Tim Smith
Timberwoof
Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> I don't know which of these two Springers have switched to Macs.
http://www.tuaw.com/2008/07/04/axel-springer-ag-moves-to-mac/
"Axel Springer owns Bild and Bild am Sonntag, tabloid-style dailies (not
unlike The Sun in the UK or the New York Post in the U.S.) and several
magazines sold under the Bild brand. The company currently uses
large-scale publishing solutions from WoodWing Software and CCI, both of
which support Mac clients. "
Here's the original article:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Axel-Springer-Verlag-stellt-komplett-auf-A
pple-Rechner-um--/meldung/110435
It refers to http://www.springer-verlag.de/
http://www.springer-verlag.de/inhalte/investor/frame.htm
lists all kinds of stuff about Axel Springer AG
Springer Verlag is the same company as Axel Springer AG.
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." 気hris L.
Tim Smith
<timberwoof.spam-B6...@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net>,
Timberwoof <timberw...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
> It refers to http://www.springer-verlag.de/
> http://www.springer-verlag.de/inhalte/investor/frame.htm
> lists all kinds of stuff about Axel Springer AG
Verlag means "publisher". Axel Springer AG is not the same as the
company that was once called Springer-Verlag, and is now called Springer
Science Business Media. Here's the history of the later company:
<http://www.springer-sbm.com/index.php?id=199>
--
--Tim Smith
Mike
Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> Mike wrote:
> > In article <2uydnQMfRK_ovvLV...@giganews.com>,
> > Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Mike wrote:
> >>> In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPV...@giganews.com>,
> >>> Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Timberwoof wrote:
> >>>>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPV...@giganews.com>,
> >>>>> Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> >>>>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From the article:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias Döpfner lists
> >>>>>>> four reasons for the change:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Most of the company¹s layout work was already being done on Macs
> >>>>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> >>>>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> >>>>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> >>>>>>> past
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger
> >>>>>>> Honolulu, HI
> >>>>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on
> >>>>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to
> >>>>>> support.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers". Wow, I'm glad he's not
> >>>>>> the CEO of my company.
> >>>>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing
> >>>>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry
> >>>>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative,
> >>>>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work
> >>>>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube
> >>>>> farm with Windows.
> >>>> They're going to be using Windows too. Just on Macs.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools
> >>>> (computer hardware) just because of their looks. I wonder what
> >>>> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the
> >>>> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine
> >>>> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve
> >>> I suppose one might just say from your comments you're just not a
> >>> "creative type" who appreciates the work environment as well as the
> >>> tools they work with.
> >>>
> >>> Have you ever been around "creatives" in the process of their work to
> >>> see how "ideas", the guts of an ad, layout come together? I'd be will
> >>> ing to think you like drab, period.
> >> I worked for years in a radio station, choosing the music played,
> >> producing programs, etc.
> >
> > Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need
> > a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the
> > content available.
>
> We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music
> programming with a computer database program I wrote. You don't
> consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work,
> or "content"? Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?
No Steve, you're not a "content creator" but a content player and you're
a programmer. More a math guy than a creative. Lots of folks can choose
what is good music to play or listen to, creating it on the other hand
is a different bailiwick.
Writing scripts, loosely is creative, but I'd bet it was newscasts, not
writing a piece like Orson Wells "War of the Worlds" or perhaps Abbott
and Costello's "Who's on First" and then there is todays "Prairie Home
Companion" which is creative content script writing.
Those are the kind of things you did, eh?
>
>
> > IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you
> > weren't.
>
> >> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for
> >> how they looked or felt. A work computer is just a tool that sits on
> >> their desk. I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer lighting.
> >
> > The chair and/or lighting come after the tools.
> >
> > IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates
> > such things.
>
> Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the
> most money possible for their shareholders. And I'd hardly consider
> their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".
You'd better look again if you think they do something like the enquirer
with 10,000 employees who will be converting to Macs for their work.
>
> Steve
--
Mike
Steve de Mena
This was classical music and there most certainly was creativity.
> Writing scripts, loosely is creative, but I'd bet it was newscasts, not
> writing a piece like Orson Wells "War of the Worlds" or perhaps Abbott
> and Costello's "Who's on First" and then there is todays "Prairie Home
> Companion" which is creative content script writing.
>
> Those are the kind of things you did, eh?
Never did newscasts.
>>> IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you
>>> weren't.
>>>> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for
>>>> how they looked or felt. A work computer is just a tool that sits on
>>>> their desk. I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer lighting.
>>> The chair and/or lighting come after the tools.
>>>
>>> IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates
>>> such things.
>> Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the
>> most money possible for their shareholders. And I'd hardly consider
>> their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".
>
> You'd better look again if you think they do something like the enquirer
> with 10,000 employees who will be converting to Macs for their work.
Look again? For what?
>> Steve
Steve
Alan Baker
Not really. Picking which music to play doesn't *create* much.
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Mike
Baloney. It requires a knowledge of the music, not creativity since
you're not interpreting the music.
If you think what you did was creative, you've set your own bar
artificially low to make yourself feel good.
>
>
> > Writing scripts, loosely is creative, but I'd bet it was newscasts, not
> > writing a piece like Orson Wells "War of the Worlds" or perhaps Abbott
> > and Costello's "Who's on First" and then there is todays "Prairie Home
> > Companion" which is creative content script writing.
> >
> > Those are the kind of things you did, eh?
>
> Never did newscasts.
Then what did you write "scripts" for?
>
> >>> IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you
> >>> weren't.
> >>>> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for
> >>>> how they looked or felt. A work computer is just a tool that sits on
> >>>> their desk. I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer
> >>>> lighting.
> >>> The chair and/or lighting come after the tools.
> >>>
> >>> IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates
> >>> such things.
> >> Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the
> >> most money possible for their shareholders. And I'd hardly consider
> >> their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".
> >
> > You'd better look again if you think they do something like the enquirer
> > with 10,000 employees who will be converting to Macs for their work.
>
> Look again? For what?
What they really publish.
>
> >> Steve
>
> Steve
--
Mike
Mike
dissentious rogue that, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make
yourself a scab?, ye clucked:
> IN ARTICL3 <ILGDN3_FX3SGSO_VNZ2DNUVZ_G-DNZ2D@GIGAN3WS WTF.......COM>,
> STEVE D3 M3NA <STEVE@STEV3D3M3NA.........COM> WROTE:
> BALON3Y OMG.... IT REQUIERS A KNOWL3DG3 OF TEH MUSIC, NOT CR3TIVITY
> SINC3 UR NOT INTERPRETNG T3H MUSIC........
> IF YOU THINK WUT YOU DID WAS CR3TI3V, YOU'VE SET UR OWN BAR
> ARTIFICIALY LOW TO MAKE URS3LF FEL GUD WTF....
> T3HN WUT DID YOU WRI3T "SCRIPTS" FOR WTF?!!?????
> WUT TEHY RILY PUBLISH.........
> -- MIEK
hones...@centurytel.net
"Mike" <mi...@nononccfaba.orgy> wrote in message
news:7yi6p0$wmx$i...@rec.photo.breast.cancer.co.montenegro...
> Mike, ye lean-witted Mars of malcontents, what's the matter you
> dissentious rogue that, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make
> yourself a scab?, ye clucked:
>
HJ
Steve de Mena
Nope. It just shows how little you know about the subject.
>>> Writing scripts, loosely is creative, but I'd bet it was newscasts, not
>>> writing a piece like Orson Wells "War of the Worlds" or perhaps Abbott
>>> and Costello's "Who's on First" and then there is todays "Prairie Home
>>> Companion" which is creative content script writing.
>>>
>>> Those are the kind of things you did, eh?
>> Never did newscasts.
>
> Then what did you write "scripts" for?
>
>>>>> IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you
>>>>> weren't.
>>>>>> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for
>>>>>> how they looked or felt. A work computer is just a tool that sits on
>>>>>> their desk. I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer
>>>>>> lighting.
>>>>> The chair and/or lighting come after the tools.
>>>>>
>>>>> IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates
>>>>> such things.
>>>> Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the
>>>> most money possible for their shareholders. And I'd hardly consider
>>>> their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".
>>> You'd better look again if you think they do something like the enquirer
>>> with 10,000 employees who will be converting to Macs for their work.
>> Look again? For what?
>
> What they really publish.
How about the largest newspaper in Europe, "Bild", a tabloid in the
manner of The Sun in the UK or The New York Post. In other words, trash.
"The Bild (formerly Bild-Zeitung, lit. Picture Newspaper) is a German
newspaper published by Axel Springer AG. The paper is published from
Monday to Saturday, while on Sundays, Bild am Sonntag (lit. Picture on
Sunday) is published instead, which has a different style and its own
editors. Bild is tabloid in style, although actually broadsheet in
size. It is the best-selling newspaper in Europe and has the
seventh-largest circulation worldwide.[citation needed] Its motto,
prominently displayed below the logo, is unabhängig, überparteilich
(independent, nonpartisan). Bild's nearest English-language stylistic
and journalistic equivalent is often considered to be The Sun in the
UK - the second highest selling European tabloid newspaper - with
which it shares a degree of rivalry[1][2][3]
Bild was founded by Axel Springer in 1952 for people with poor reading
skills and a weak educational background.[citation needed] It mostly
consisted of pictures (therefore the name BILD, German for picture).
Bild soon became the best-selling newspaper, by a wide margin, not
only in Germany, but in all of Europe, though essentially to German
readers.
Die Welt is the flagship newspaper of the Axel Springer publishing
group. Its leading competitors are the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung,
the Süddeutsche Zeitung and the Frankfurter Rundschau. *Financially,
it has been a lossmaker for many years.*
Steve
Mike
Lets see, I worked in same building as radio station in college with a
buddy who worked there and was often around the station and saw what
went on, but that doesn't count much.
Second, I've had a buddy who works at a major FM station in the midwest
and I've performed on said station(you know creating content)
Third, I was on a major market AM station invited by the host to talk
about Macs and spent considerable time with his producer so I guess I
don't have a clue as to what goes on at a radio station Steve, no clue
at all.
Your opinion of course. How could we ever distrust that, right? Don't
forget it doesn't take 10,000 to publish one paper.
What about the other things they publish?
>
> "The Bild (formerly Bild-Zeitung, lit. Picture Newspaper) is a German
> newspaper published by Axel Springer AG. The paper is published from
> Monday to Saturday, while on Sundays, Bild am Sonntag (lit. Picture on
> Sunday) is published instead, which has a different style and its own
> editors. Bild is tabloid in style, although actually broadsheet in
> size. It is the best-selling newspaper in Europe and has the
> seventh-largest circulation worldwide.[citation needed] Its motto,
> prominently displayed below the logo, is unabhängig, überparteilich
> (independent, nonpartisan). Bild's nearest English-language stylistic
> and journalistic equivalent is often considered to be The Sun in the
> UK - the second highest selling European tabloid newspaper - with
> which it shares a degree of rivalry[1][2][3]
>
> Bild was founded by Axel Springer in 1952 for people with poor reading
> skills and a weak educational background.[citation needed] It mostly
> consisted of pictures (therefore the name BILD, German for picture).
> Bild soon became the best-selling newspaper, by a wide margin, not
> only in Germany, but in all of Europe, though essentially to German
> readers.
>
> Die Welt is the flagship newspaper of the Axel Springer publishing
> group. Its leading competitors are the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung,
> the Süddeutsche Zeitung and the Frankfurter Rundschau. *Financially,
> it has been a lossmaker for many years.*
>
> Steve
--
Mike
Steve de Mena
No clue programming classical music. How does talking about Macs on
the radio give you experience in that area? LOL.
Not my opinion. I haven't ever read Bild.
Justin
> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>
> From the article:
>
> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias Döpfner lists
> four reasons for the change:
>
> Most of the company’s layout work was already being done on Macs
> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> past
> --
> Dave Fritzinger
> Honolulu, HI
I wonder if their photography and graphics department needs built in
card readers.
I mean, any PC without a built in card reader is utter shit and should
be recycled.
PeterBP
> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> > Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> >
> > From the article:
> >
> > In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias Döpfner lists
> > four reasons for the change:
> >
> > Most of the company's layout work was already being done on Macs
> > Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> > Apple creates the most elegant computers
> > Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> > past
> > --
> > Dave Fritzinger
> > Honolulu, HI
>
> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on
> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to
> support.
>
> "Apple creates the most elegant computers". Wow, I'm glad he's not
> the CEO of my company.
I don't suppose you considered that "elegant" can refer to more than
just looks, did you?
--
- Peter *** http://titancity.com/blog/
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes
you nothing. It was here first." - Mark Twain
PeterBP
> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>
> From the article:
>
> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias Döpfner lists
> four reasons for the change:
>
> Most of the company's layout work was already being done on Macs
> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> past
Springer Publishing?
These guys are real heavyweights in the scientific literature.
Steve de Mena
> Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>>>
>>> From the article:
>>>
>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias Döpfner lists
>>> four reasons for the change:
>>>
>>> Most of the company's layout work was already being done on Macs
>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
>>> past
>>> --
>>> Dave Fritzinger
>>> Honolulu, HI
>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on
>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to
>> support.
>>
>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers". Wow, I'm glad he's not
>> the CEO of my company.
>
> I don't suppose you considered that "elegant" can refer to more than
> just looks, did you?
Nope.
Steve
Tim Smith
no...@jose.com (PeterBP) wrote:
> > Most of the company's layout work was already being done on Macs
> > Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> > Apple creates the most elegant computers
> > Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> > past
>
> Springer Publishing?
>
> These guys are real heavyweights in the scientific literature.
Different Springer.
--
--Tim Smith
Timberwoof
Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
How many Springers are there? Could you provide web site URLs for them?
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Alan Baker
Yeah, but then you think that programming classical music counts as
"creative".
Tim Smith
<timberwoof.spam-EB...@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net>,
Timberwoof <timberw...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
> > > > Most of the company's layout work was already being done on Macs
> > > > Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> > > > Apple creates the most elegant computers
> > > > Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> > > > past
> > >
> > > Springer Publishing?
> > >
> > > These guys are real heavyweights in the scientific literature.
> >
> > Different Springer.
>
> How many Springers are there? Could you provide web site URLs for them?
In this thread, there are two Springers that have been mentioned.
The oldest is this company:
<http://www.springer-sbm.com/index.php?id=199&L=0>
Founded in 1842 by Julius Springer, and known for most of its history as
"Springer-Verlag". Bought early this century by an investment group and
merged with another Dutch technical book publisher, and renamed
"Springer Science+Business Media".
This Springer is the largest publisher of science and medical books in
the world, and the second largest publisher of science and medical
journals.
The other Springer is the one that is switching to Macs:
<http://www.axelspringer.com/englisch/unterneh/frame.htm>
They were established in 1946 by Axel Springer, and are a major
publisher of newspapers and magazines.
--
--Tim Smith
Tim Murray
>> Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need
>> a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the
>> content available.
>
> We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music
> programming with a computer database program I wrote. You don't
> consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work,
> or "content"? Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?
You used as much creativity doing that as I did making a clay cup in fourth
grade. The database writing is a bit creative, but ....
I played in bands for 20 years (even played with Ed Shaughnessy Tonight Show
band)and help do some arranging ... but I wouldn't call it all that creative.
Steve Carroll
Tim Murray <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 14:19:51 -0400, Steve de Mena wrote:
> >> Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need
> >> a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the
> >> content available.
> >
> > We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music
> > programming with a computer database program I wrote. You don't
> > consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work,
> > or "content"? Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?
>
> You used as much creativity doing that as I did making a clay cup in fourth
> grade. The database writing is a bit creative, but ....
LOL! That's cold;) I'd say writing scripts/press releases is a creative process.
> I played in bands for 20 years (even played with Ed Shaughnessy Tonight Show
> band)and help do some arranging ... but I wouldn't call it all that creative.
I think arranging is, or can be, very creative... I view playing the same way (I
play blues/jazz/rock/fusion guitar).
--
"Apple is pushing how green this is - but it [Macbook Air] is
clearly disposable... when the battery dies you can pretty much
just throw it away". - Snit
Steve de Mena
So, as I said above, You don't consider choosing the music that is
played on the air "creative" work? There is a certain flow you should
try to maintain when programming let's say an 8 hour block of
classical music. So that works don't clash, balancing the familiar
with the not-so-familiar. Or choosing works to fit a partcular
theme, yet being an interesting combination in their own right. Oh
well....
I think band arranging is creative, especially if there were some
variations to the arrangements.
Steve