Re: OT: Vote independent or 3rd party!
MuahMan
> I'm not going to waste your time or mine arguing or debating this point
> here. The most important thing you can do is accept Jesus Christ as
> your Lord and Saviour and put your faith and trust in Him. Since many
> will disregard that and not read further, I will pray for you that you
> might truly seek and find God.
>
> I'm just going to make one point - if you continue to vote the two-party
> Democrat-Republican system, you are going to continue to get what you
> didn't vote for and continued loss of personal freedoms and loss of
> personal wealth. Doesn't matter which you vote for - they may take
> seemingly different paths that lead to the same end point - the
> extremely wealthy will get wealthier and the majority of people will get
> poorer and subject to an ever-increasing totalitarian government.
>
> The only way for the people to win is by revolution and you don't get
> that without being unified behind a true grass-roots candidate.
>
> Don't think those who control the world will give up without a fight -
> they will literary do whatever they have to including killing as many as
> they have to to maintain control. There are various ways to do this -
> make people poor by manipulating the currency, the banking system and
> the markets; starting wars; some believe they are manipulating world
> weather and natural disasters are increasing - I believe this is more in
> the domain of God.
>
> According to the Bible, the only way the evil world system will be
> defeated is by God himself - described in the last book called the
> Revelation of Jesus Christ. If that is true, then the people will never
> sufficiently see their predicament and what they have to do to get out
> of it - or the opposition to personal, individual freedom will be so
> strong and deeply rooted that the common man and woman will not have the
> power to overcome it.
>
> If you get your motivation on how to act, speak and think from the
> media, then you are among the brainwashed. You are their puppet. It is
> not your vote that determines the shape of history anymore. Elections
> can be rigged and voting fraud can be upheld by courts. How many
> election results have been overturned by courts in the U.S. alone?
> Check it out.
>
> Whatever you do, take some time to research history and find out how the
> world system really works. Read the NAFTA agreement; read the charters
> of the United Nations and the European Union; even if you think it is a
> bunch of "hooey," search out and read about the Illuminati, Freemasonry,
> the New World Order, the Jesuits and all the related topics. It is much
> better to read and studied it all and come to your own conclusion that
> to believe what you are being brainwashed into believing by the media
> and the evil world system.
>
> Of course, evil powers and wealthy people have been manipulating the
> world for thousands of years. The extremely wealthy, international
> bankers, global corporations and promoters of world socialism/communism
> have been manipulating the world for over a century now. They want
> the world divided into approximately, if not exactly, 10 eco-political
> confederations with one central world government. There will probably
> be a world religion, most likely the Roman Catholic church, which will
> be in direct alliance and evil partnership with this world government,
> which may have its center in Europe.
>
> Time is short. The prophecy of Saint Malachy of Ireland, a Catholic
> priest, has been remarkably accurate. According to it, there is only
> one Pope to come, Peter the Roman. This prophecy is in line with
> prophecy in the Revelation concerning the apostate, evil church and its
> religious leader, who is allied with the beast - the evil world
> government. Both prophecies say that the city on seven hills, Rome,
> will be destroyed. God's timeline for the end started when Israel
> became a nation in 1948. Read the Old Testament books of Daniel,
> Ezekial, Isaiah, Zechariah and many other where end time prophecies have
> already been are are being fulfilled. Search the Internet for related
> topics.
I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin since Ron Paul isn't on the ballot.
Not that it matters. America is dead. We've passed the point of no
return. There are now more people in the US that believe the
government is there to help them, than people that know the truth;
that "Government is not the solution to our problems, it IS the
problem" A majority of people in the US also believe there is a
difference between Democrat and Republican politicians. Can you
imagine GWB trying to claim he is a Republican 40 years ago? GWB is a
tax and spend liberal. 40 years ago he would have been tossed out of
the Republican party and thrown across the aisle to the Democrats. Can
you imagine Barack Hussein Obama being a Presidential candidate 50
years ago? LOL, Senator McCarthy would have had him imprisoned and
black listed for being the communist that he is.
America is full of morons. Americans don't take responsiblity for
their own actions. For instance, Katrina. Geee you people have been
being warned for a week that a huge hurricane is going to destroy New
Orleans and to evacuate. But they don't evacuate, instead they stay.
OMG, people are dying. OMG, the government didn't send help quick
enough. OMG, it's everyones fault but mine. These are the same morons
that would sue, if the authorities forced them to evacuate at
gunpoint. Stupid people call it an atrocity, everyone knows it was
Darwins Law.
Another good example is this housing bubble. All these idiots working
as school teachers, fast food workers, and other indigent morons need
help with their houses now. "Geee two months ago I was living in a
trailer, now I got this nice 750k 5 bedroom/4 bath house and I only
have to pay the interest on my mortgage! I'm RICH" Now a year later,
they get bailed out by the government. So now the smart people who
didn't plunge themselve hopelessly into debt will be paying for some
burger flippers million dollar home.
What a fucking joke our political system is. I mean in how many
elections is abortion going to be an issue? I'm so sick of hearing
about abortion as an issue. Yes abortion is wrong. If you don't belive
me, go online and watch a youtube video of an abortion. When the
blender is starting to scramble the little guy/girls body parts the
baby struggles/fights to get away; of course there's not where to run
to so the baby gets scrambled like my breakfast eggs. That being said
the government has NO BUSINESS telling people how to live their lives.
Getting rid of abortion is societies job, not some stupid asshole in
Washington.
Whatever, fuck it. America is pretty much dead. The only thing that
can save us now is 1. If a giant meteor crashes into DC killing
everyone one in Congress, The Senate, The Executive branch, and the
lobbyists. or 2. people get so partisan and fed up, that physical
violence breaks out and leads to a second Civil War between
conservatives and democrats, republicans, and socialists.
Sad thing is, most of these problems could have been avoided if the
right side had won the first Civil War. Had the South won, State
rights would have prevailed and power in Washington DC would have been
far more limited.
Lloyd Parsons
<8265d823-0c77-4f2c...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
MuahMan <mua...@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, you must have missed the news. The homeowner isn't getting bailed
out, Wall Street is! The little dab anyone else will see won't be a
ripple on the ocean of cash those fatcats will end up getting.
If you want change, you have to change completely how you vote. Vote
out EVERY DAMN INCUMBENT! Not because they are bad people, but they got
there with money from campaign contributions, otherwise known as bribes.
IF and when you get rid of the ones there now, then let them know they
are on trial, the trial period being one term. If they don't quit
sucking off the corporates and other fat cats, pitch them out too. Do
that a few election cycles, and just maybe you can make them pay
attention. Nothing else will for sure.
You cannot keep re-electing the same types/bunch and expect things to be
different. Won't happen.
Lloyd
Political-career -- should be an oxymoron, but isn't!
MuahMan
> In article
> <8265d823-0c77-4f2c-9d77-87c5a8355...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh I agree. The bailout is a joke. They first place they should be
looking for the money is in the personal accounts of all these CEO's
and board members. Probably enough for the bailout right there.
I also agree that Washington needs a firesale. EVERYONE MUST GO.
Unfortunately Americans are so stupid, they won't do shit. Things
aren't bad enough for them to start thinking on their own yet. Things
could get that bad though, and maybe they need to. To get this country
back to where it needs to be blood will have to be spilled and lots of
it.
Lloyd Parsons
<4ac30a78-b3e5-4d3d...@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
MuahMan <mua...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh I agree. The bailout is a joke. They first place they should be
> looking for the money is in the personal accounts of all these CEO's
> and board members. Probably enough for the bailout right there.
>
> I also agree that Washington needs a firesale. EVERYONE MUST GO.
>
> Unfortunately Americans are so stupid, they won't do shit. Things
> aren't bad enough for them to start thinking on their own yet. Things
> could get that bad though, and maybe they need to. To get this country
> back to where it needs to be blood will have to be spilled and lots of
> it.
Well, if you've been watching, the Congress on both sides of the aisle
isn't just rubber stamping the crapola bill that Bush and Paulsen want.
There are differences between the two parties, but neither the right nor
the left are happy with giving him literally a no-strings $700B check.
And I agree, the CEOs of any company getting a bailout of any sort need
to have their compensation pared, as well as the other senior
executives. And get the Board of Directors if paid, while we're there.
It shouldn't be just the stockholder and the public that gets fucked in
this deal.
And just for the hell of it, the gov't should take a piece of ownership
of any company getting part of it while we're at it.
There has to be accountability and punishment in this thing. Otherwise
I will damn sure be voting not-the-incumbent, instead of almost sure.
MuahMan
>
> MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Oh I agree. The bailout is a joke. They first place they should be
> > looking for the money is in the personal accounts of all these CEO's
> > and board members. Probably enough for the bailout right there.
>
> > I also agree that Washington needs a firesale. EVERYONE MUST GO.
>
> > Unfortunately Americans are so stupid, they won't do shit. Things
> > aren't bad enough for them to start thinking on their own yet. Things
> > could get that bad though, and maybe they need to. To get this country
> > back to where it needs to be blood will have to be spilled and lots of
> > it.
>
> Well, if you've been watching, the Congress on both sides of the aisle
> isn't just rubber stamping the crapola bill that Bush and Paulsen want.
> There are differences between the two parties, but neither the right nor
> the left are happy with giving him literally a no-strings $700B check.
>
> And I agree, the CEOs of any company getting a bailout of any sort need
> to have their compensation pared, as well as the other senior
> executives. And get the Board of Directors if paid, while we're there.
>
> It shouldn't be just the stockholder and the public that gets fucked in
> this deal.
>
They both FUCK the public, in fact I think that's all they do in
Washington.
Lloyd Parsons
head for the hills <mo...@out.edu> wrote:
> In article <lloydparsons-C194...@news.individual.net>,
> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, if you've been watching, the Congress on both sides of the aisle
> > isn't just rubber stamping the crapola bill that Bush and Paulsen want.
> > There are differences between the two parties, but neither the right nor
> > the left are happy with giving him literally a no-strings $700B check.
> >
> > And I agree, the CEOs of any company getting a bailout of any sort need
> > to have their compensation pared, as well as the other senior
> > executives. And get the Board of Directors if paid, while we're there.
> >
> > It shouldn't be just the stockholder and the public that gets fucked in
> > this deal.
> >
> > And just for the hell of it, the gov't should take a piece of ownership
> > of any company getting part of it while we're at it.
> >
> > There has to be accountability and punishment in this thing. Otherwise
> > I will damn sure be voting not-the-incumbent, instead of almost sure.
>
> You have to believe that the Congress is being honest with us as well.
> If we end up with pretty much a rubber stamp of what Paulsen and
> Bernanke want, them we know for sure that Congress is just putting on a
> show for the voters so that we believe that they give a hoot about the
> interests of people. Frankly, I believe that most of them do not and
> they are just playing the game and doing what they are told by those who
> own them - the international bankers and the global corporations.
>
> I am not voting for one incumbent or for one candidate from the
> traditional two parties in November and I wish I could convince the
> whole country to do the same.
Well, to believe that Congress will be honest in the midst of all this
dishonesty is kind of a stretch.
But here's why I think that oversight will be in, some fixed way to
assess the value of the shitty paper, courts allowed in the mix without
the Supremes having to tell all of them they can't take the courts out,
get a piece of any co. that participates and reduce upper management's
golden pay and severences.
They'll get it, or at least most of it, because no party wants the other
party to have that much freedom to piss away the $700B. The R's think
that their guy probably could handle it, but they sure don't want a D
getting that same power. And since the Presidential race is anything
but a cakewalk for either candidate, they don't know what will happen
then.
So the combination of the slight (damn slight) difference in
philosophies and the overall mistrust they both have for each other
might just cause this not to be as big a hosing of US as it looks it
might be.
Now to those 3rd party candidates. Let's assume one of them took the
Presidency. Now what? They have no constituency in the Congress at
all. They would be screwed by both parties, then they'd be skewered by
the public 'cause they couldn't get anything done.
If the 3rd parties want to play in the bigs, they got to get some feet
under the tables of the smalls first. So far they really haven't even
tried that much.
Timberwoof
head for the hills <mo...@out.edu> wrote:
> Doesn't matter which you vote for - they may take
> seemingly different paths that lead to the same end point - the
> extremely wealthy will get wealthier and the majority of people will get
> poorer and subject to an ever-increasing totalitarian government.
This year there are clear differences between the candidates. I believe
that Clinton, who was a better choice for President than Bush Sr., got
into office because Ross Perot diverted Republican votes from Bush.
I'm a pragmatist: I'm not certain how voting for someone with a barely
significant share of votes will do anything other than raise the chances
of my least-favorite major-party candidate to win.
I hear a lot of support for Ron Paul and his free-market ideology. I
sincerely hope that Republicans vote for him instead. Free-market
ideology is what got the US into its current economic mess, and it will
not provide a solution without an awful lot of pain. (I just wish that
Republicans could be made to share their portion of the blame. That
would mean them paying $10k each for the bailout instead of $5k for
everyone.)
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
People who can't spell get kicked out of Hogwarts.
Timberwoof
> Oh I agree. The bailout is a joke. They first place they should be
> looking for the money is in the personal accounts of all these CEO's
> and board members. Probably enough for the bailout right there.
Just how many bank executives do you think there are, and how big are
their salaries? That's 700 bbbbbBilion dollars, not 700 million.
Timberwoof
> In article
> <4ac30a78-b3e5-4d3d...@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> MuahMan <mua...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Oh I agree. The bailout is a joke. They first place they should be
> > looking for the money is in the personal accounts of all these CEO's
> > and board members. Probably enough for the bailout right there.
> >
> > I also agree that Washington needs a firesale. EVERYONE MUST GO.
> >
> > Unfortunately Americans are so stupid, they won't do shit. Things
> > aren't bad enough for them to start thinking on their own yet. Things
> > could get that bad though, and maybe they need to. To get this country
> > back to where it needs to be blood will have to be spilled and lots of
> > it.
>
> Well, if you've been watching, the Congress on both sides of the aisle
> isn't just rubber stamping the crapola bill that Bush and Paulsen want.
> There are differences between the two parties, but neither the right nor
> the left are happy with giving him literally a no-strings $700B check.
Rachel Maddow put it very well. "The problem is we're out of candy. You
need to give us more candy."
> And I agree, the CEOs of any company getting a bailout of any sort need
> to have their compensation pared, as well as the other senior
> executives. And get the Board of Directors if paid, while we're there.
Fuck the senior executives. Let them have two or three million dollars
each, take the rest, and bar them from ever running companies again. The
poor sons of bitches would have to sell their
multimillion-dollar-estates and learn to run their lives -- the rest of
their lives -- on fixed income. They'd be able to afford a small house
and a car, and get income off the interest. That's fine with me. The
only problem with that is that what they did was only immoral and not
illegal, so all we can do is deny them their performance bonuses and
their golden parachutes (which are merely bonuses for getting fired).
> It shouldn't be just the stockholder and the public that gets fucked in
> this deal.
>
> And just for the hell of it, the gov't should take a piece of ownership
> of any company getting part of it while we're at it.
This is the only way the taxpayer (you and me) won't get fucked without
a condom. The hope is that the economy remains sustainable, the
never-never loans get renegotiated, people stay in their homes, and
things get better. Eventually the bonds will get paid off and the
Treasury gets the money back. But in the mean time, we all get fucked
anyway.
> There has to be accountability and punishment in this thing. Otherwise
> I will damn sure be voting not-the-incumbent, instead of almost sure.
Yep. I hope you won't vote for Bush in any case. His proxy McCain is
floundering what to do in this crisis ... other than to try to blame it
on Obama and yell at him for not panicking.
Timberwoof
head for the hills <mo...@out.edu> wrote:
> In article <lloydparsons-C194...@news.individual.net>,
> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, if you've been watching, the Congress on both sides of the aisle
> > isn't just rubber stamping the crapola bill that Bush and Paulsen want.
> > There are differences between the two parties, but neither the right nor
> > the left are happy with giving him literally a no-strings $700B check.
> >
> > And I agree, the CEOs of any company getting a bailout of any sort need
> > to have their compensation pared, as well as the other senior
> > executives. And get the Board of Directors if paid, while we're there.
> >
> > It shouldn't be just the stockholder and the public that gets fucked in
> > this deal.
> >
> > And just for the hell of it, the gov't should take a piece of ownership
> > of any company getting part of it while we're at it.
> >
> > There has to be accountability and punishment in this thing. Otherwise
> > I will damn sure be voting not-the-incumbent, instead of almost sure.
>
> You have to believe that the Congress is being honest with us as well.
> If we end up with pretty much a rubber stamp of what Paulsen and
> Bernanke want, them we know for sure that Congress is just putting on a
> show for the voters so that we believe that they give a hoot about the
> interests of people. Frankly, I believe that most of them do not and
> they are just playing the game and doing what they are told by those who
> own them - the international bankers and the global corporations.
Well, those damn Democrats want to throw a monkeywrench into the works
by demanding oversight of that big check to Paulsen. OVERSIGHT? The
bastards! Paulsen can't run an efficient scam for his banker buddies
when there's oversight! Leave it to those damn Democrats to interfere
with big business. That's all they ever do.
> I am not voting for one incumbent or for one candidate from the
> traditional two parties in November and I wish I could convince the
> whole country to do the same.
Who's your Presidential candidate?
It's run watching McCain flounder and reverse positions which ever way
the wind blows.
C Lund
head for the hills <mo...@out.edu> wrote:
> I'm not going to waste your time or mine arguing or debating this point
> here. The most important thing you can do is accept Jesus Christ as
> your Lord and Saviour and put your faith and trust in Him. Since many
> will disregard that and not read further, I will pray for you that you
> might truly seek and find God.
Which one? Odin? Thor?
--
C Lund, folk.uio.no/clund/
Bruce Grubb
head for the hills <mo...@out.edu> wrote:
> In article <lloydparsons-C194...@news.individual.net>,
> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Well, if you've been watching, the Congress on both sides of the aisle
> > isn't just rubber stamping the crapola bill that Bush and Paulsen want.
> > There are differences between the two parties, but neither the right nor
> > the left are happy with giving him literally a no-strings $700B check.
>
> It is just an act - there is nothing the congress can do about it - they
> are just following orders.
IIRC a few German leaders tried that excuse in a place called Nuremberg in
1946. Didn't work too well.
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