How do I

[Tommy Troll]

get my iPhone to display lower case letters on the keypad?

[Sandman]

In article <fe217420-d01d-4a31...@googlegroups.com>,

Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> get my iPhone to display lower case letters on the keypad?

Install ShowCase.

--
Sandman[.net]

[Tommy Troll]

So, you have to hack your iPhone to get it to show an intuitive keyboard?

[Lloyd]

In article <d983b18b-3153-4f7c...@googlegroups.com>,

Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:05:47 AM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
> > In article <fe217420-d01d-4a31...@googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > get my iPhone to display lower case letters on the keypad?
> >
> >
> >
> > Install ShowCase.
> >
>
> So, you have to hack your iPhone to get it to show an intuitive keyboard?

Stupid question, stupid conclusion.

The keyboard is small enough that 'intuitive' isn't on the radar! Use
it like it is as I do, or get a different phone.

[Nashton]

On 13-05-13 10:14 AM, Lloyd wrote:
> In article <d983b18b-3153-4f7c...@googlegroups.com>,
> Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:05:47 AM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
>>> In article <fe217420-d01d-4a31...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>
>>> Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> get my iPhone to display lower case letters on the keypad?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Install ShowCase.
>>>
>>
>> So, you have to hack your iPhone to get it to show an intuitive keyboard?
>
> Stupid question, stupid conclusion.

We know :) It's always a stupid question that doesn't even merit an
answer if it's not possible on an Apple device.

>
> The keyboard is small enough that 'intuitive' isn't on the radar!

Funny that it's on my Nokia 920. What a waste of time and energy.

> Use
> it like it is as I do, or get a different phone.

Stock fangurl answer # 45.5. If it can't be done on an Apple device,
there is nothing wrong wt the device. The fault lies with the consumer
that should have made a different choice.
In conclusion, it ill behooves one to even make mention of a specific
shortcoming.

Dear God, Tommy. Whatever were you thinking?



>

[Sandman]

In article <d983b18b-3153-4f7c...@googlegroups.com>,

Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:05:47 AM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
> > In article <fe217420-d01d-4a31...@googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > get my iPhone to display lower case letters on the keypad?
> >
> >
> >
> > Install ShowCase.
> >
>
> So, you have to hack your iPhone to get it to show an intuitive keyboard?

No



--
Sandman[.net]

[Alan Baker]

In article <d983b18b-3153-4f7c...@googlegroups.com>,

Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:05:47 AM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
> > In article <fe217420-d01d-4a31...@googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > get my iPhone to display lower case letters on the keypad?
> >
> >
> >
> > Install ShowCase.
> >
>
> So, you have to hack your iPhone to get it to show an intuitive keyboard?

So, you weren't really looking for an answer but rather just trying to
start a pointless argument?

Last time I checked, physical keyboards only showed (typically) upper
case letters, Tommy, so why would it be a big deal that the iPhone's
keyboard behaves the same way?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[Alan Baker]

In article <kmqrgf$uvi$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@no.ca>
wrote:

> On 13-05-13 10:14 AM, Lloyd wrote:
> > In article <d983b18b-3153-4f7c...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:05:47 AM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
> >>> In article <fe217420-d01d-4a31...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>
> >>> Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> get my iPhone to display lower case letters on the keypad?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Install ShowCase.
> >>>
> >>
> >> So, you have to hack your iPhone to get it to show an intuitive keyboard?
> >
> > Stupid question, stupid conclusion.
>
> We know :) It's always a stupid question that doesn't even merit an
> answer if it's not possible on an Apple device.
>
> >
> > The keyboard is small enough that 'intuitive' isn't on the radar!
>
> Funny that it's on my Nokia 920. What a waste of time and energy.

Does it in any way shape or form assist you?

>
> > Use
> > it like it is as I do, or get a different phone.
>
> Stock fangurl answer # 45.5. If it can't be done on an Apple device,
> there is nothing wrong wt the device. The fault lies with the consumer
> that should have made a different choice.
> In conclusion, it ill behooves one to even make mention of a specific
> shortcoming.
>
> Dear God, Tommy. Whatever were you thinking?
>
>
>
> >

[jay birdsong]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
news:alangbaker-E6F0F...@news.datemas.de...

In article <d983b18b-3153-4f7c...@googlegroups.com>,
Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:05:47 AM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
> > In article
> > <fe217420-d01d-4a31...@googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > get my iPhone to display lower case letters on the keypad?
> >
> >
> >
> > Install ShowCase.
> >
>
> So, you have to hack your iPhone to get it to show an intuitive
> keyboard?

>So, you weren't really looking for an answer but rather just trying
>to
>start a pointless argument?

Sigh.....so sad that you must resort to your usual slimy tactics to
gain attention.

>Last time I checked, physical keyboards only showed (typically) upper
>case letters,

Sigh....."Physical keyboards"? A bit of a goalpost move, eh, Dick?
So sad.

> Tommy, so why would it be a big deal that the iPhone's
>keyboard behaves the same way?

So now people aren’t allowed personal preferences, Dick? And as Nash
pointed out, the Nokia has the feature.

snip dumb cunt sig.

[Laszlo Lebrun]

On 13.05.2013 16:11, Alan Baker wrote:

> So, you weren't really looking for an answer but rather just trying to
> start a pointless argument?
>
> Last time I checked, physical keyboards only showed (typically) upper
> case letters, Tommy, so why would it be a big deal that the iPhone's
> keyboard behaves the same way?
>

Frankly the iOS keyboard is absolutley non-ergonomical.
To get numbers and punctuation you must toggle the layouts all the time!
What an idiocy!

If only Apple had taken a look at the solutions that were available on
such ooooold platforms as Windows mobile 6.5, before issuing their
crappy keyboard:

http://cjoint.com/13mi/CEnsRaJi05K_hd2keyboard.png

You have all numbers and punctuation available without even needing to
swap any layout.

Just stay on a key for half a second and you get the second character,
additionally you get a bar of all diacritics and can select them just
upon swyping on.
That's ergonomy!

Fortunately I don't have to type on an iPhone, I would, of rage, have
thrown that awful stuff on the floor.



--
One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round.
One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

[-hh]

On May 13, 7:53 am, Tommy Troll <thomas.e.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
> get my iPhone to display lower case letters on the keypad?

Since when you *you* have an iPhone, 'Tommy'?


-hh

[David Fritzinger]

In article <d983b18b-3153-4f7c...@googlegroups.com>,

Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:05:47 AM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
> > In article <fe217420-d01d-4a31...@googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > get my iPhone to display lower case letters on the keypad?
> >
> >
> >
> > Install ShowCase.
> >
>
> So, you have to hack your iPhone to get it to show an intuitive keyboard?

Actually, if you look at most keyboards, you will see they are capital
letters, so the iPhone is just following convention. Besides, the shift
key lights up to let you know if you've selected caps or not.

IF this is all you have to complain about, you must think the iPhone is
pretty good...

[David Fritzinger]

In article <kmr607$5pu$1...@tota-refugium.de>,

Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 13.05.2013 16:11, Alan Baker wrote:
>
> > So, you weren't really looking for an answer but rather just trying to
> > start a pointless argument?
> >
> > Last time I checked, physical keyboards only showed (typically) upper
> > case letters, Tommy, so why would it be a big deal that the iPhone's
> > keyboard behaves the same way?
> >
>
> Frankly the iOS keyboard is absolutley non-ergonomical.
> To get numbers and punctuation you must toggle the layouts all the time!
> What an idiocy!
>
> If only Apple had taken a look at the solutions that were available on
> such ooooold platforms as Windows mobile 6.5, before issuing their
> crappy keyboard:
>
> http://cjoint.com/13mi/CEnsRaJi05K_hd2keyboard.png
>
> You have all numbers and punctuation available without even needing to
> swap any layout.
>
> Just stay on a key for half a second and you get the second character,
> additionally you get a bar of all diacritics and can select them just
> upon swyping on.
> That's ergonomy!
>
> Fortunately I don't have to type on an iPhone, I would, of rage, have
> thrown that awful stuff on the floor.

On the iPhone, if you want something from the numeric keypad, just move
your finger to the key, and the numeric equivalent will show up, then
the keypad will switch back to letters. Plus, if you "hold" any key, the
same diacritics show up as well.

One annoyance is that, as far as I know, you can't lock in the numeric
keypad, which could come in handy when ordering, etc.

[Lloyd]

In article <kmr607$5pu$1...@tota-refugium.de>,
Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 13.05.2013 16:11, Alan Baker wrote:
>
> > So, you weren't really looking for an answer but rather just trying to
> > start a pointless argument?
> >
> > Last time I checked, physical keyboards only showed (typically) upper
> > case letters, Tommy, so why would it be a big deal that the iPhone's
> > keyboard behaves the same way?
> >
>
> Frankly the iOS keyboard is absolutley non-ergonomical.
> To get numbers and punctuation you must toggle the layouts all the time!
> What an idiocy!
>
> If only Apple had taken a look at the solutions that were available on
> such ooooold platforms as Windows mobile 6.5, before issuing their
> crappy keyboard:
>
> http://cjoint.com/13mi/CEnsRaJi05K_hd2keyboard.png
>
> You have all numbers and punctuation available without even needing to
> swap any layout.
>
> Just stay on a key for half a second and you get the second character,
> additionally you get a bar of all diacritics and can select them just
> upon swyping on.
> That's ergonomy!
>
> Fortunately I don't have to type on an iPhone, I would, of rage, have
> thrown that awful stuff on the floor.

Bullshit! Just as non-ergonomic as any phone keyboard is.

[Lloyd]

In article <kmqrgf$uvi$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@no.ca>
wrote:

> On 13-05-13 10:14 AM, Lloyd wrote:
> > In article <d983b18b-3153-4f7c...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:05:47 AM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
> >>> In article <fe217420-d01d-4a31...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>
> >>> Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> get my iPhone to display lower case letters on the keypad?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Install ShowCase.
> >>>
> >>
> >> So, you have to hack your iPhone to get it to show an intuitive keyboard?
> >
> > Stupid question, stupid conclusion.
>
> We know :) It's always a stupid question that doesn't even merit an
> answer if it's not possible on an Apple device.
>

Nope. Phone onscreen keyboards such, just a fact of life.

> >
> > The keyboard is small enough that 'intuitive' isn't on the radar!
>
> Funny that it's on my Nokia 920. What a waste of time and energy.
>

Bullshit! I looked and played around with the 920. Other than the
bigger screen that does help a bit, the onscreen keyboard sucks just as
much as they all do.

> > Use
> > it like it is as I do, or get a different phone.
>
> Stock fangurl answer # 45.5. If it can't be done on an Apple device,
> there is nothing wrong wt the device. The fault lies with the consumer
> that should have made a different choice.

Making a different choice in the case of phones doesn't get you a better
onscreen keyboard.

[Laszlo Lebrun]

On 5/13/13 7:25 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> Plus, if you "hold" any key, the
> same diacritics show up as well.

Ups, yes. Works for some keys.
Its however much more convenient to have the numbers as "long hold" on
the first line of chars, without need to swap pages.

[David Fritzinger]

In article <kmrctq$v5a$1...@tota-refugium.de>,

Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 5/13/13 7:25 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > Plus, if you "hold" any key, the
> > same diacritics show up as well.
>
> Ups, yes. Works for some keys.
> Its however much more convenient to have the numbers as "long hold" on
> the first line of chars, without need to swap pages.

It seems I wasn't clear (this is something I do automatically). If you
touch and hold on the key to bring up the numeric keyboard, that
keyboard comes up. Then, all you do is drag your finger to the
number/symbol you want and release. The number/symbol is put into
whatever you are writing, and the keyboard goes back to the standard
QWERTY keyboard.

[ed]

On Monday, May 13, 2013 11:11:13 AM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
...

> Bullshit! Just as non-ergonomic as any phone keyboard is.

i don't know if 'ergonomic' is really the right word to use regarding on screen keyboards, but there are major differences in how well different on screen keyboards work.

[Lloyd]

In article <9c7c39fd-44a9-4157...@googlegroups.com>,

I sure haven't noticed that at all.

[Laszlo Lebrun]

On 13.05.2013 21:31, David Fritzinger wrote:
> In article <kmrctq$v5a$1...@tota-refugium.de>,
> Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:
>

> It seems I wasn't clear (this is something I do automatically). If you
> touch and hold on the key to bring up the numeric keyboard, that
> keyboard comes up.

You were clear thank you.
It is just MUCH more convenient, if you need to type:
"12, Broadway"
to type
Q(long) W(long) , (the comma is directly accessible) Broadway
than to switch the keyboards continuously, as on an iPhone

[ed]

what have you used?

[Lloyd]

In article <cbb38bc6-4ddf-4941...@googlegroups.com>,

ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:

> On Monday, May 13, 2013 1:10:51 PM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
> > In article <9c7c39fd-44a9-4157...@googlegroups.com>,
> > ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 13, 2013 11:11:13 AM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > Bullshit! Just as non-ergonomic as any phone keyboard is.
> >
> > > i don't know if 'ergonomic' is really the right word to use regarding on
> > > screen keyboards, but there are major differences in how well different
> > > on
> > > screen keyboards work.
> >
> > I sure haven't noticed that at all.
>
> what have you used?

In one way or another, many of the current phones. I tested keyboard
use on many of them and they all pretty much suck. Some suck more, some
less.

[ed]

is that your way of avoiding saying something along of the lines of you've briefly played with some of the stock keyboards in the stores when you were looking for a new phone? :D

[Lloyd]

In article <c611041c-1e5c-4f27...@googlegroups.com>,

Yep. It doesn't take long to figure out that all the onscreen keyboards
suck and have since the first smartphone hit the street. Does it take
you a long time to figure out a keyboard sucks or not? :)

I actually liked that Galaxy Note 2's, mostly because of the screen size
making it a bit less likely to get the wrong key. But using that thing
as a phone just wouldn't get the job done.

I'm actually pretty pleased with the iPhone 5's in comparison to the HTC
Wildfire S's, but they both suck.

[KDT]

So, have you been as confused for the last 35+ years that physical keyboards haven't changed from lowercase to uppercase?

[ed]

On Monday, May 13, 2013 2:27:18 PM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
> In article <c611041c-1e5c-4f27...@googlegroups.com>,
...

> > > In one way or another, many of the current phones. I tested keyboard
> > > use on many of them and they all pretty much suck. Some suck more, some
> > > less.
>
> > is that your way of avoiding saying something along of the lines of you've
> > briefly played with some of the stock keyboards in the stores when you were
> > looking for a new phone? :D
>
> Yep. It doesn't take long to figure out that all the onscreen keyboards
> suck and have since the first smartphone hit the street. Does it take
> you a long time to figure out a keyboard sucks or not? :)

it doesn't take long to figure out if a keyboard sucks, but it can take a while to realize the awesomeness of some keyboards over others. :P

> I actually liked that Galaxy Note 2's, mostly because of the screen size
> making it a bit less likely to get the wrong key. But using that thing
> as a phone just wouldn't get the job done.
>
> I'm actually pretty pleased with the iPhone 5's in comparison to the HTC
> Wildfire S's, but they both suck.

the note 2 has some of the guts of swiftkey in it, which is constantly mentioned as one of the best keyboards out there. and fyi, it's one of the ones that gets better as you use it as it does a bit of personalized learning.

[Alan Baker]

In article <kmqvpm$4ha$1...@dont-email.me>,

Of course people are allowed personal preferences, Michael. Nothing in
what I said contradicts that in the slightest.

The point is that one person's preference not being met hardly makes
something automatically "non-intuitive".

[jay birdsong]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message

news:alangbaker-D9C3A...@news.datemas.de...

> So now people aren’t allowed personal preferences, Dick? And as

> Nash
> pointed out, the Nokia has the feature.

>Of course people are allowed personal preferences, Michael. Nothing
>in
>what I said contradicts that in the slightest.

>The point is that one person's preference not being met hardly makes
>something automatically "non-intuitive".

So what's up with the broken text? Can't you click on a setting or
something?

[Tommy Troll]

On Monday, May 13, 2013 10:11:49 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <d983b18b-3153-4f7c...@googlegroups.com>,
>
> Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:05:47 AM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
>
> > > In article <fe217420-d01d-4a31...@googlegroups.com>,
>
> > >
>
> > > Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > get my iPhone to display lower case letters on the keypad?
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Install ShowCase.
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > So, you have to hack your iPhone to get it to show an intuitive keyboard?
>
>
>
> So, you weren't really looking for an answer but rather just trying to
>
> start a pointless argument?
>
>
>
> Last time I checked, physical keyboards only showed (typically) upper
>
> case letters, Tommy, so why would it be a big deal that the iPhone's
>
> keyboard behaves the same way?
>

On a physical keyboard you hold down the shift key to get caps. You have tactile feedback from that required action. Not so with a touch keyboard. Big difference.

[Laszlo Lebrun]

On 13.05.2013 23:12, Lloyd wrote:
> In one way or another, many of the current phones. I tested keyboard
> use on many of them and they all pretty much suck. Some suck more, some
> less.

OK you should be able to use a bluetooth keyboard, are you?
That's just another clumsy device to carry with you.

By the way: when my good old WinMo is connected to my notebook, I can
use its keyboard and mouse e.g. to type a SMS or reorganize my
files/shortcuts.
That's really convenient.

[Lloyd]

Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> On 13.05.2013 23:12, Lloyd wrote:
>> In one way or another, many of the current phones. I tested keyboard
>> use on many of them and they all pretty much suck. Some suck more, some
>> less.
>
> OK you should be able to use a bluetooth keyboard, are you?
> That's just another clumsy device to carry with you.
>

On the iPad I do sometimes, but on the phone the keyboard isn't much of an
issue as I don't text or do many things that require keyboarding,

> By the way: when my good old WinMo is connected to my notebook, I can use
> its keyboard and mouse e.g. to type a SMS or reorganize my files/shortcuts.
> That's really convenient.

That would be handy! I wonder if the new win8 phones do? I came very
close to getting a win8 phone, but 3rd party software support is not very
good yet. May not ever be if sales don't pick up.


--
from Lloyd's iPad

[Lloyd]

In article <f689b7e9-8cb8-4527...@googlegroups.com>,

ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:

> On Monday, May 13, 2013 2:27:18 PM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
> > In article <c611041c-1e5c-4f27...@googlegroups.com>,
> ...
> > > > In one way or another, many of the current phones. I tested keyboard
> > > > use on many of them and they all pretty much suck. Some suck more,
> > > > some
> > > > less.
> >
> > > is that your way of avoiding saying something along of the lines of
> > > you've
> > > briefly played with some of the stock keyboards in the stores when you
> > > were
> > > looking for a new phone? :D
> >
> > Yep. It doesn't take long to figure out that all the onscreen keyboards
> > suck and have since the first smartphone hit the street. Does it take
> > you a long time to figure out a keyboard sucks or not? :)
>
> it doesn't take long to figure out if a keyboard sucks, but it can take a
> while to realize the awesomeness of some keyboards over others. :P
>

I haven't seen anything I'd call 'awesome' when it comes to onscreen
keyboards and phones!

> > I actually liked that Galaxy Note 2's, mostly because of the screen size
> > making it a bit less likely to get the wrong key. But using that thing
> > as a phone just wouldn't get the job done.
> >
> > I'm actually pretty pleased with the iPhone 5's in comparison to the HTC
> > Wildfire S's, but they both suck.
>
> the note 2 has some of the guts of swiftkey in it, which is constantly
> mentioned as one of the best keyboards out there. and fyi, it's one of the
> ones that gets better as you use it as it does a bit of personalized
> learning.

The Note 2 is an interesting unit. Just too damned big to be your only
phone imo.

[Nashton]

Really, now?
Please give us a short list of what exactly you need that isn't available.

Gee thanks. And sales are doing great.

[Sandman]

In article <kmr607$5pu$1...@tota-refugium.de>,

Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> > So, you weren't really looking for an answer but rather just trying to
> > start a pointless argument?
> >
> > Last time I checked, physical keyboards only showed (typically) upper
> > case letters, Tommy, so why would it be a big deal that the iPhone's
> > keyboard behaves the same way?
>
> Frankly the iOS keyboard is absolutley non-ergonomical.

Duh. It's on a small screen. of COURSE it's unergonomical, Einstein.

> To get numbers and punctuation you must toggle the layouts all the time!

Incorrect.

> If only Apple had taken a look at the solutions that were available on
> such ooooold platforms as Windows mobile 6.5, before issuing their
> crappy keyboard:
>
> http://cjoint.com/13mi/CEnsRaJi05K_hd2keyboard.png

Hahahaha!

> You have all numbers and punctuation available without even needing to
> swap any layout.

Exactly like on an iPhone, then.

> Just stay on a key for half a second and you get the second character,
> additionally you get a bar of all diacritics and can select them just
> upon swyping on.
> That's ergonomy!

Ironic.

> Fortunately I don't have to type on an iPhone, I would, of rage, have
> thrown that awful stuff on the floor.

Because of ignorance, as usual.



--
Sandman[.net]

[Sandman]

In article <kmrctq$v5a$1...@tota-refugium.de>,

Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 5/13/13 7:25 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > Plus, if you "hold" any key, the
> > same diacritics show up as well.
>
> Ups, yes. Works for some keys.

All keys.

> Its however much more convenient to have the numbers as "long hold" on
> the first line of chars, without need to swap pages.

Hahaha!


--
Sandman[.net]

[Sandman]

In article <kmri0l$iap$1...@tota-refugium.de>,

Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 13.05.2013 21:31, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > In article <kmrctq$v5a$1...@tota-refugium.de>,
> > Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> > It seems I wasn't clear (this is something I do automatically). If you
> > touch and hold on the key to bring up the numeric keyboard, that
> > keyboard comes up.
>
> You were clear thank you.
> It is just MUCH more convenient, if you need to type:
> "12, Broadway"
> to type
> Q(long) W(long) , (the comma is directly accessible) Broadway
> than to switch the keyboards continuously, as on an iPhone

No, it isn't.

numhold-1 numhold-2, comma, Broadway.

The *EXACT* same process. Only, it's quicker on the iPhone.


--
Sandman[.net]

[Laszlo Lebrun]

On 14.05.2013 05:50, Nashton wrote:
> Please give us a short list of what exactly you need that isn't available.

That's usually what you realize *after* having purchased an iPhone.

[Laszlo Lebrun]

By the way the app "My Mobiler" has been ported to Android as well:
http://www.mymobiler.com/

[Sandman]

In article <kmqvpm$4ha$1...@dont-email.me>,
"jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:

> > So, you have to hack your iPhone to get it to show an intuitive
> > keyboard?
>

> >So, you weren't really looking for an answer but rather just trying
> >to start a pointless argument?
>

> Sigh.....so sad that you must resort to your usual slimy tactics to
> gain attention.

What kind of reply would he have written if he didn't want attention? Or
is the "slimy tactic" that he is replying at all?

> >Last time I checked, physical keyboards only showed (typically) upper
> >case letters,
>

> Sigh....."Physical keyboards"? A bit of a goalpost move, eh, Dick?
> So sad.

English, always a struggle for Michael.

> > Tommy, so why would it be a big deal that the iPhone's
> > keyboard behaves the same way?
>

> So now people aren’t allowed personal preferences, Dick? And as Nash

> pointed out, the Nokia has the feature.

*Nokia* doesn't. Windows Phone 8 does. Get your facts straight. Oops,
sorry, forgot who I was responding to.



--
Sandman[.net]

[Sandman]

In article <58a6ddd3-5976-40e9...@googlegroups.com>,

In neither case do I actually watch the keys when I type, so whatever
case they have on the keys wouldn't matter to me. I watch where the text
is appearing, not where I am typing.



--
Sandman[.net]

[Lloyd]

In article <kmscai$jc9$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.com>
wrote:

OK.

Dish Anywhere, Dish Transfer, Dish Explorer for Dish Network

BK Partner, User Scale, Lyrics Viewer for Roland BKxx
Denon Remote App, Mitsibushi TV Control, TV Sideview(Sony).

> Gee thanks. And sales are doing great.

Not according to either the AT&T or Verizon store locally they are not.

[Lloyd]

In article <kmsfo9$mg7$1...@tota-refugium.de>,

Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 14.05.2013 05:50, Nashton wrote:
> > Please give us a short list of what exactly you need that isn't available.
>
> That's usually what you realize *after* having purchased an iPhone.

Really? What app is missing from iOS that is available on Win8 phones
or Android?

Then tell me about the apps that are better on iOS vice either of those.

[Nashton]

On 5/14/2013 8:40 AM, Lloyd wrote:
> In article <kmscai$jc9$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/13/2013 10:38 PM, Lloyd wrote:
>>> Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 13.05.2013 23:12, Lloyd wrote:
>>>>> In one way or another, many of the current phones. I tested keyboard
>>>>> use on many of them and they all pretty much suck. Some suck more, some
>>>>> less.
>>>>
>>>> OK you should be able to use a bluetooth keyboard, are you?
>>>> That's just another clumsy device to carry with you.
>>>>
>>> On the iPad I do sometimes, but on the phone the keyboard isn't much of an
>>> issue as I don't text or do many things that require keyboarding,
>>>> By the way: when my good old WinMo is connected to my notebook, I can use
>>>> its keyboard and mouse e.g. to type a SMS or reorganize my files/shortcuts.
>>>> That's really convenient.
>>>
>>> That would be handy! I wonder if the new win8 phones do? I came very
>>> close to getting a win8 phone, but 3rd party software support is not very
>>> good yet. May not ever be if sales don't pick up.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Really, now?
>> Please give us a short list of what exactly you need that isn't available.
>>
> OK.
>
> Dish Anywhere, Dish Transfer, Dish Explorer for Dish Network

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/slingplayer/5e8b8122-49e4-df11-a844-00237de2db9e

"As far as this app goes on smartphones..WP8 is about the best I have
used. I have it on an IPad,iPhone and on Android and it works by far the
best on my Lumia920. "

> BK Partner, User Scale, Lyrics Viewer for Roland BKxx
> Denon Remote App, Mitsibushi TV Control, TV Sideview(Sony).

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-ca/store/app/denon-remote/ade20e0b-561d-415e-9b10-91fee2c75a5d

I agree that the audio apps are still not available, but choosing the
iPhone over the superb Nokia 920 because it can't ....control your TV?
Especially since it has a bigger screen, with a better virtual keyboard,
all elements you have been complaing about re the iPhone in previous posts.

Lyrics Viewer is available for Windows tablets, so it ought to be
forthcoming for windows 8 phone.

>
>> Gee thanks. And sales are doing great.
>
> Not according to either the AT&T or Verizon store locally they are not.
>

While you're at it, look through the windows in your backyard and tell
us what the weather is like on the whole continent.

[Lloyd]

In article <kmte92$pg3$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.com>

Yes Slingplayer does work and is on the win8 phones.

But Slingplayer is not nearly as full featured as the Dish apps from
Dish. Dish Transfer transfers video from the Hopper to the iPhone/iPad
and can be used either on them, or mirrored to an AppleTV if you have
one on a trip for instance.

And Dish Anywhere does much more than control the DVR.

Very handy if you're away from home.

> > BK Partner, User Scale, Lyrics Viewer for Roland BKxx
> > Denon Remote App, Mitsibushi TV Control, TV Sideview(Sony).
>
> http://www.windowsphone.com/en-ca/store/app/denon-remote/ade20e0b-561d-415e-9b
> 10-91fee2c75a5d

I guess you didn't read the reviews that said it doesn't work!

>
> I agree that the audio apps are still not available, but choosing the
> iPhone over the superb Nokia 920 because it can't ....control your TV?
> Especially since it has a bigger screen, with a better virtual keyboard,
> all elements you have been complaing about re the iPhone in previous posts.
>

While the 920 is a very nice phone, it isn't any nicer than many of the
Android phones nor the iPhone 5.

And I haven't been complaining about the keyboard on the iPhone any more
than I would be if I had the 920. All onscreen keyboards for all phones
suck imo.

And the screen size of the 920 while being a smidgen bigger, isn't that
much bigger to make a difference. That's what I found when I was
looking. From the iPhone's 4" screen to the 920's 4.5" screen wasn't as
significant to me as I thought it would, thought the 4.5" was perfectly
pocketable.

I've said that the 920 is a very nice phone quite a few times, but it is
still lacking in 3rd party app support compared to iOS. For me, there
had to be a good reason to pick it over iOS since everything I use on a
daily basis is Apple.

But even if the 920 was the best thing since sliced bread, and I could
get it for free, it is only on the AT&T network which is 3rd best in
this area, and as it turns out, even worse in the town I live in with
many dead spots. That alone kills any consideration.

> Lyrics Viewer is available for Windows tablets, so it ought to be
> forthcoming for windows 8 phone.
>

Lyrics Viewer is the least used apps for Roland according to the many
forums and such that I follow. But just because it is on a Windows
laptop does not even come close to showing that it will show up on the
Win8 phones. Different processor, different OS.

And the rest aren't there at all except for iOS. The Roland BKPartner
app is what allows for controlling the BK7M backing module by the
iPad/iPhone. Very, very handy and well received by the BK7M community.

> >
> >> Gee thanks. And sales are doing great.
> >
> > Not according to either the AT&T or Verizon store locally they are not.
> >
>
> While you're at it, look through the windows in your backyard and tell
> us what the weather is like on the whole continent.

Well here's a link to one of the many articles talking about the sales
of Win8 phones, but you won't like it either! :)

http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows-phone/22074/nokia-sales-figures-sh
ow-windows-phone-continues-fall-futher-behind-android-ios

[Laszlo Lebrun]

On 14.05.2013 13:42, Lloyd wrote:
> In article <kmsfo9$mg7$1...@tota-refugium.de>,
> Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 14.05.2013 05:50, Nashton wrote:
>>> Please give us a short list of what exactly you need that isn't available.
>>
>> That's usually what you realize *after* having purchased an iPhone.
>
> Really? What app is missing from iOS that is available on Win8 phones
> or Android?
>

Comparing to Windows Mobile:
The first thing I would bitterly miss is the ability to behave like an
USB drive towards every computer without any driver, I use it frequently
to run maintenance software right from my phone, load some documents
from or a run PowerPoint presentation on another computer.
The second thing is the ability to behave like a RNDIS modem towards
every computer providing tethered Internet connectivity over my own 3G
data plan.
Even on a Mac, I can use feature 1 to install HoRNDIS and get it on the
net in a breeze, even without any networking module.
The third thing is the ability to (slightly) modify an existing Office
document, I am sometimes just too lazy to pick up my notebook, and can
add a thought to my last presentation just from my phone...
The fourth thing is the remote control feature over MyMobiler, which
isn't essential, but really convenient to send an SMS or reorganise
information/URLs on the phone with a real keyboard.

Other things are solved differently, syncing is much better and
unobtrusively realized with ActiveSync than with the idiotic iTunes.

> Then tell me about the apps that are better on iOS vice either of those.
>

Obviously you surely thousands Apps that are running better on iOS,
there is no doubt about that. But is the counterpart is to lose above
mentioned functionality, no- thanks!.
The transportation apps available in Germany are really useful and of a
better breed than the WinMo ones which are somewhat outdated.

But it is, more or less, the only thing that I really miss.

[Lloyd]

In article <kmtjvf$dm9$1...@tota-refugium.de>,

You know it seems really funny to me when I read the threads about what
is 'better' and all that. Why does one have to be the only one? I
don't care for Android much, but I did consider some of the bigger
screen phones that they offer because of the bigger screens.

With Android, the only phone I really liked was the Galaxy Note 2
because of its very big screen. But that screen for all its greatness
also makes it non-pocketable. And that is a compelling reason not to
get it.

I also considered Win8 phones because a couple of them are excellent,
the HTC8X and Nokia 920. Neither of them had glaring issues other than
missing some apps important to me. The Nokia 920 was a strong runner up
until I researched the AT&T coverage here, and that poorer coverage in
my area took it off the radar screen. Not for any real fault of the
phone, just the carrier. And in the grand scheme of things, the phone
has to work great as a phone or it has nearly no value. Regardless of
whether it is the phone or the carrier, if it doesn't do phone well, it
isn't worth having at all and no other considerations can override that.

In the end, I picked the iPhone 5 because it would cost me no more than
any of the other ones I would consider, it integrates well with my all
Apple gear and the depth of app coverage is the best imo. And I got it
from Verizon because they have the very best coverage in my area,
including 4G/LTE service.

Frankly if the 4s or 4 had offered 4G/LTE, I would have gotten one of
them instead.

[Alan Baker]

In article <kmrvfs$t6$1...@dont-email.me>,

What's up with the dodging the argument? Too bad there's not setting in
your brain for that, huh?

[ed]

On Monday, May 13, 2013 7:57:23 PM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
> In article <f689b7e9-8cb8-4527...@googlegroups.com>,
...

> > it doesn't take long to figure out if a keyboard sucks, but it can take a
> > while to realize the awesomeness of some keyboards over others. :P
>
> I haven't seen anything I'd call 'awesome' when it comes to onscreen
> keyboards and phones!

you've used, what, two of them for any length of time? :P

swiftkey and swype are pretty awesome.

> > > I actually liked that Galaxy Note 2's, mostly because of the screen size
> > > making it a bit less likely to get the wrong key. But using that thing
> > > as a phone just wouldn't get the job done.
> > > I'm actually pretty pleased with the iPhone 5's in comparison to the HTC
> > > Wildfire S's, but they both suck.
>
> > the note 2 has some of the guts of swiftkey in it, which is constantly
> > mentioned as one of the best keyboards out there. and fyi, it's one of the
> > ones that gets better as you use it as it does a bit of personalized
> > learning.
>
> The Note 2 is an interesting unit. Just too damned big to be your only
> phone imo.

depends on how you use it. i almost always use a handsfree or speakerphone these days, so day-to-day, the size wouldn't be a huge issue for me. the main reason that i'm not going to a bigger phone (4.5"+) at this point is that it *is* too big when i'm wearing motorcycling gear.

[Lloyd]

In article <4ec94266-2914-4154...@googlegroups.com>,

ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:

> On Monday, May 13, 2013 7:57:23 PM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
> > In article <f689b7e9-8cb8-4527...@googlegroups.com>,
> ...
> > > it doesn't take long to figure out if a keyboard sucks, but it can take a
> > > while to realize the awesomeness of some keyboards over others. :P
> >
> > I haven't seen anything I'd call 'awesome' when it comes to onscreen
> > keyboards and phones!
>
> you've used, what, two of them for any length of time? :P
>

Doesn't take me long to figger out if I like something or not, I'm a
fast learner. Of course, these days that is about the only thing fast
about me! :)

> swiftkey and swype are pretty awesome.
>

Possibly, but doesn't change the fact that unless you have really skinny
fingers, all of them suck!

> > > > I actually liked that Galaxy Note 2's, mostly because of the screen
> > > > size
> > > > making it a bit less likely to get the wrong key. But using that thing
> > > > as a phone just wouldn't get the job done.
> > > > I'm actually pretty pleased with the iPhone 5's in comparison to the
> > > > HTC
> > > > Wildfire S's, but they both suck.
> >
> > > the note 2 has some of the guts of swiftkey in it, which is constantly
> > > mentioned as one of the best keyboards out there. and fyi, it's one of
> > > the
> > > ones that gets better as you use it as it does a bit of personalized
> > > learning.
> >
> > The Note 2 is an interesting unit. Just too damned big to be your only
> > phone imo.
>
> depends on how you use it. i almost always use a handsfree or speakerphone
> these days, so day-to-day, the size wouldn't be a huge issue for me. the
> main reason that i'm not going to a bigger phone (4.5"+) at this point is
> that it *is* too big when i'm wearing motorcycling gear.

If I used a phone only at home, it would be fine. But most often the
phone is in my pocket while I'm out and about and I don't have pockets
that damned big! :)

Otherwise it is a pretty nifty item.

[jay birdsong]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message

news:alangbaker-12E52...@news.datemas.de...

> > So now people aren’t allowed personal preferences, Dick?

> > And as
> > Nash
> > pointed out, the Nokia has the feature.
>
> >Of course people are allowed personal preferences, Michael. Nothing
> >in
> >what I said contradicts that in the slightest.
>
> >The point is that one person's preference not being met hardly
> >makes
> >something automatically "non-intuitive".
>
> So what's up with the broken text? Can't you click on a setting or
> something?

>What's up with the dodging the argument? Too bad there's not setting
>in
>your brain for that, huh?

There's no point in arguing with a worthless Dick like you. Your too
stupid to comprehend.

So what's up with the broken text? Can't you click on a setting or

something? Why are you dodging the question? Too bad there's not a
setting in your brain to correct it.

snip dumb cunt sig.

[ed]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:44:21 PM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
> In article <4ec94266-2914-4154...@googlegroups.com>,
> ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, May 13, 2013 7:57:23 PM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
> > > In article <f689b7e9-8cb8-4527...@googlegroups.com>,
>
> > ...
> > > > it doesn't take long to figure out if a keyboard sucks, but it can take a
> > > > while to realize the awesomeness of some keyboards over others. :P
> > > I haven't seen anything I'd call 'awesome' when it comes to onscreen
> > > keyboards and phones!
> > you've used, what, two of them for any length of time? :P
>
> Doesn't take me long to figger out if I like something or not, I'm a
> fast learner. Of course, these days that is about the only thing fast
> about me! :)
> > swiftkey and swype are pretty awesome.
>
> Possibly, but doesn't change the fact that unless you have really skinny
> fingers, all of them suck!

that's exactly why some of them DON'T suck lloyd- the auto correct and predictive text on some are absolutely amazing, so even old guys with bad eyes and fat fingers can type well on them with few problems. but you need to use them more than 30 seconds to know this, as this is not immediately obvious as you're standing there pecking out words. ;D

...

[Laszlo Lebrun]

On 14.05.2013 17:27, Lloyd wrote:
> The Nokia 920 was a strong runner up
> until I researched the AT&T coverage here

Can you only get it from AT&T?

[Nashton]

On 5/14/2013 6:38 PM, ed wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:44:21 PM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
>> In article <4ec94266-2914-4154...@googlegroups.com>,
>> ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 13, 2013 7:57:23 PM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
>>>> In article <f689b7e9-8cb8-4527...@googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>> ...
>>>>> it doesn't take long to figure out if a keyboard sucks, but it can take a
>>>>> while to realize the awesomeness of some keyboards over others. :P
>>>> I haven't seen anything I'd call 'awesome' when it comes to onscreen
>>>> keyboards and phones!
>>> you've used, what, two of them for any length of time? :P
>>
>> Doesn't take me long to figger out if I like something or not, I'm a
>> fast learner. Of course, these days that is about the only thing fast
>> about me! :)
>>> swiftkey and swype are pretty awesome.
>>
>> Possibly, but doesn't change the fact that unless you have really skinny
>> fingers, all of them suck!
>
> that's exactly why some of them DON'T suck lloyd- the auto correct and predictive

> text on some are absolutely amazing

The Lumia 920 shines in this. There is a choice of words displayed (not
the horrid iOS way-could they have thought of something harder?) on top
of the keyboard. Big enough for anyone to see, even an old fella like Lloyd.

There is absolutely nothing on the market like this phone and I don't
care who makes it or who provides the OS. It's simply the easiest, most
intuitive phone out there, as far as typing on the virtual keyboard.

[Lloyd]

In article <kmuc1t$tp1$1...@tota-refugium.de>,

Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 14.05.2013 17:27, Lloyd wrote:
> > The Nokia 920 was a strong runner up
> > until I researched the AT&T coverage here
>
> Can you only get it from AT&T?

Yes, it is an exclusive.

[Lloyd]

In article <18670b31-8683-421f...@googlegroups.com>,

I'm sorry but I don't agree.

[ed]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:14:57 PM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
...

> > > Possibly, but doesn't change the fact that unless you have really skinny
> > > fingers, all of them suck!
> > that's exactly why some of them DON'T suck lloyd- the auto correct and
> > predictive text on some are absolutely amazing, so even old guys with bad
> > eyes and fat fingers can type well on them with few problems. but you need
> > to use them more than 30 seconds to know this, as this is not immediately
> > obvious as you're standing there pecking out words. ;D
> > ...
>
> I'm sorry but I don't agree.

despite not using them... ;D

[Justin]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Tommy Troll wrote:

> get my iPhone to display lower case letters on the keypad?

Stick your dick in it.

[Lloyd]

In article <0243be4c-d6e8-4e83...@googlegroups.com>,

I used them long enough to tell me all I needed to know.

[Nashton]

For a total of...30 seconds.

[Lloyd]

In article <kmvccn$c9n$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.com>
wrote:

Nah, more like a few minutes per phone I was interested in at the store.
I don't test phones that hold no interest for me. And a bit more time
fiddling with some friends phones that were on my short list.

I suppose you spend days in the phone store, right?

[jay birdsong]

"Lloyd" wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-E21D...@news.eternal-september.org...

IMO that’s ample time.

The Apphole families I know ( and I know a few) blindly run out and
buy anything Apple without looking at anything else. Every family
member has a Mac, an iPhone, an iPad, etc. And when the Dick Tracy
iWatch comes out, they will all rush to be first on line to buy it
also.

[Alan Baker]

In article <58a6ddd3-5976-40e9...@googlegroups.com>,
Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, May 13, 2013 10:11:49 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <d983b18b-3153-4f7c...@googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:05:47 AM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <fe217420-d01d-4a31...@googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > >
> >

> > > > Tommy Troll <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > get my iPhone to display lower case letters on the keypad?
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >

> > > > Install ShowCase.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > So, you have to hack your iPhone to get it to show an intuitive keyboard?
> >
> >
> >
> > So, you weren't really looking for an answer but rather just trying to
> >
> > start a pointless argument?
> >
> >
> >

> > Last time I checked, physical keyboards only showed (typically) upper
> >

> > case letters, Tommy, so why would it be a big deal that the iPhone's

> >
> > keyboard behaves the same way?
> >

> On a physical keyboard you hold down the shift key to get caps. You have
> tactile feedback from that required action. Not so with a touch keyboard. Big
> difference.

You need to look at the keyboard for ANY on screen keyboard, Tommy. So
why is it a hardship to look at a shift key?

[Laszlo Lebrun]

The rats!

[Lloyd]

In article <kn0g0o$nmb$1...@tota-refugium.de>,

Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 15.05.2013 02:14, Lloyd wrote:
> > In article <kmuc1t$tp1$1...@tota-refugium.de>,
> > Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 14.05.2013 17:27, Lloyd wrote:
> >>> The Nokia 920 was a strong runner up
> >>> until I researched the AT&T coverage here
> >>
> >> Can you only get it from AT&T?
> >
> > Yes, it is an exclusive.
> >
> The rats!

Supposedly there is a newer model (928?) that is coming to Verizon. If
the rumors are correct it is the same as the 920, but with a Xenon flash.

[Lloyd]

In article <kn02cp$q1n$1...@dont-email.me>,

Yeah, but it is the easiest choice if you are all Apple. You know that
everything will sync with the ecosystem. And if that is important to
the buyer, then it makes the most sense.

In my case, though Apple had the leg up because of that, and because
I've always had very good results with Apple gear. But the ecosystem
with a phone isn't as compelling to me, which is why I researched and
looked at about 10 models of phones before I bought.

Nasty Nashton keeps wanting to make a big deal out of me not picking the
920, but it isn't a big deal since the phone isn't carried by the 2 best
services for coverage in my area. That alone would take it out of the
running. Nothing against the phone itself, it was one of the very best
I looked at.

If I had wanted easy, I could have just gone to Verizon and got the
iPhone and not even looked at anything else and know that I would be
getting a quality phone. Cost was the same no matter where I looked,
and the Verizon store is within a very short walking distance from my
house.

Let's look at the services offered and costs for a minute.

I wanted some low minutes plan with some data at a sub-$100 pricepoint.
All of them have them for seniors, but you have to search for them. I
can tell you from first hand experience Verizon does not want sub-$100
subscriptions.

Here's what I found :
Verizon Senior - $199 for the iPhone 5, $60/month for 200 anytime min.,
500 weekend/night min, 2G data.

AT&T Senior - $199 for the iPhone 5, 60/month for 200 anytime min., 500
weekend/might min., 3G data

T-Mobile - $149 downpayment on iPhone 5, $50 for 'unlimited' everything
plus $20/month for the phone for 24 months. But the coverage here not
so good, and data is at 2G on the best of days and locations.

There were some pay as you go that would have fit, but the cost of the
premium phones, regardless of OS, was very high making them not such a
good deal at all.

[ed]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:04:58 PM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
...

> I used them long enough to tell me all I needed to know.

i think you don't know what you don't know. :P

[Lloyd]

In article <a5e6f069-f1d4-4eb8...@googlegroups.com>,

You are certainly welcome to think any damned thing you'd like. But
since I'm not spending your money, it doesn't really matter to me though
your opinions are welcome, even when I don't agree with them... :)

[ed]

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:55:47 AM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
...

> Here's what I found :
>
> Verizon Senior - $199 for the iPhone 5, $60/month for 200 anytime min.,
> 500 weekend/night min, 2G data.
>
> AT&T Senior - $199 for the iPhone 5, 60/month for 200 anytime min., 500
> weekend/might min., 3G data
>
> T-Mobile - $149 downpayment on iPhone 5, $50 for 'unlimited' everything
> plus $20/month for the phone for 24 months. But the coverage here not
> so good, and data is at 2G on the best of days and locations.

wowzers, where do you live? those prices are crazy.

...

[ed]

seriously though, a couple minutes isn't enough for the learning keyboards to learn jack about you and show you how awesome they are. i used swiftkey for a couple weeks before realizing the sheer awesomeness of it. ;D

[Lloyd]

In article <83441d03-8e31-419a...@googlegroups.com>,

Boonies!

But those prices are national prices from those servicers.

[Lloyd]

In article <f4fd58c2-f2c3-456d...@googlegroups.com>,

ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:19:40 AM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
> > In article <a5e6f069-f1d4-4eb8...@googlegroups.com>,
> > ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:04:58 PM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > I used them long enough to tell me all I needed to know.
> >
> > > i think you don't know what you don't know. :P
> >
> > You are certainly welcome to think any damned thing you'd like. But
> > since I'm not spending your money, it doesn't really matter to me though
> > your opinions are welcome, even when I don't agree with them... :)
>
> seriously though, a couple minutes isn't enough for the learning keyboards to
> learn jack about you and show you how awesome they are. i used swiftkey for
> a couple weeks before realizing the sheer awesomeness of it. ;D

Which I'll never do. I seldom use keyboards on phones as the screen is
so small, which makes the keyboard itself even smaller. I use a phone
to make and receive calls, do a bit of facetime (now), check the weather
when I'm on the golf course on a dicey day and the golf GPS app.

I have an iPad Mini for the rest of the things I do on an ultra-portable.

[Sandman]

In article <f4fd58c2-f2c3-456d...@googlegroups.com>,

ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:19:40 AM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
> > In article <a5e6f069-f1d4-4eb8...@googlegroups.com>,
> > ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:04:58 PM UTC-7, Lloyd wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > I used them long enough to tell me all I needed to know.
> >
> > > i think you don't know what you don't know. :P
> >
> > You are certainly welcome to think any damned thing you'd like. But
> > since I'm not spending your money, it doesn't really matter to me though
> > your opinions are welcome, even when I don't agree with them... :)
>
> seriously though, a couple minutes isn't enough for the learning keyboards to
> learn jack about you and show you how awesome they are. i used swiftkey for
> a couple weeks before realizing the sheer awesomeness of it. ;D

The Ed Game.

Tastes differ. I've used them both extensively and I think they suck.
Not only do they force me to look at the keyboard when I "type", but
their error rate is too damn high. I type both faster and more correct
on the normal keyboard, especially in Swedish.

They're ok for one-hand typing, or thumb-typing, but that's not a USP
though.


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Sandman[.net]

[ed]

i think you went verizon, right? if prices are truly national (i always thought they varied by region, but i'm not sure) you're getting screwed with the senior plan at $60, as it appears that it's $30 for those minutes, $30 for the 2gig data, and no messaging included. for the same $60 on verizon, i see a plan with unlimited talk and text w/ the same 2gig of data, with tethering included. might want to see about switching to that...

[Lloyd]

In article <3d40daa9-c9f8-4401...@googlegroups.com>,

The only thing I'm seeing that is as you describe is the Nationwide Talk
& Text. Then that is $60/month PLUS a $40/month smartphone charge. I
can find no plan that includes a subsidized smartphone and a plan at all
that is cheaper which includes data.

If you've got a link to one, I'd be tickled to switch to it!

[Nashton]

But wasn't your decision to reject a Nokia Lumia based on the alleged
dearth of software found only on the iPhone, according to you?
In that case, the sheer size of the screen and better input should have
been a determining factor, since you only use phones to make and receive
calls.

Fact of the matter is, Lloyd, that you are as much of a fanboi as the
rest and you probably couldn't find it in your heart to betray the
mother ship.

[Lloyd]

In article <kn1eno$otj$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.com>
wrote:

Is the Lumia the 920? If so, I've been quite clear why it got rejected.
It is only on AT&T which is not good service here. Because of that
alone, it didn't matter what else it might or might not do, it wouldn't
be a good phone for here.

And yes, Win8 Phones in general do have a dearth of software, only a
complete moron would not know that. It is well documented in many
discussion groups and websites. Maybe those sites don't speak Canadian,
which would explain your not understanding that nor understanding my
rejection of it.

> In that case, the sheer size of the screen and better input should have
> been a determining factor, since you only use phones to make and receive
> calls.
>

Phones are primarily for phone calls, so no size isn't a big determining
factor. It was ONE of the factors. And I did buy a bigger screen, I
got the iPhone 5.

> Fact of the matter is, Lloyd, that you are as much of a fanboi as the
> rest and you probably couldn't find it in your heart to betray the
> mother ship.

And you are as much of a jackass as you appear to be. You've been
developing you jackassery over the last couple of years, and it has been
culminated when you decided to go to Win8.

BTW, my Acer laptop running Win8 and Playon says 'Hi Jackass!'

[Flint]

The only reason I went with the NoteII over the 920 was certain apps
I've grown to like using just weren't supported on it nearly as well.
Mainly DVR remote viewer apps for monitoring cameras.

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MFB