Can't Use iPhone As Modem For Laptop
John
capability for use as a modem. It contains NO Bluetooth profiles which
allow it to work with 10.4.10!!! None for file transfer or communications!
Steve de Mena
I believe they'll add some of those capabilities
in the next few months via OS updates.
Steve
MuahMan
"John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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My 3 year old Samsung A940 is AWESOME when used for PAM! It's alos 5x
faster than Cingular! But it has no touchscreen and the media is 8 gig cards
are swappable as is the battery. So it's SHIT!
ed
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unless that was specified by cingular...
Sandman
"John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
Yeah, that sucks.
Can you use it to send SMS with the address book?
--
Sandman[.net]
ZnU
"ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
Yeah, AT&T is not going to let you use the thing as a modem. Not with a
$20/month data plan, anyway.
--
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about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006
Edwin
$600 buys you a lot of dreams of what the future might bring... while
people who paid a fraction of the price of the iPhone are doing twice
as much TODAY...
Tim Murray
> In article <GwGii.24996$C96...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
> "ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
>
>> "Steve de Mena" <ste...@stevedemena.com> wrote in message
>> news:468b1bb6$0$8922$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>>> John wrote:
>>>> Paired up my iPhone with my 17" laptop and found out it has no(ZERO!!!)
>>>> capability for use as a modem. It contains NO Bluetooth profiles which
>>>> allow it to work with 10.4.10!!! None for file transfer or
>>>> communications!
>>>
>>> I believe they'll add some of those capabilities in the next few months
>>> via OS updates.
>>
>> unless that was specified by cingular...
>
> Yeah, AT&T is not going to let you use the thing as a modem. Not with a
> $20/month data plan, anyway.
>
>
I don't have ANY data plan on my RAZR and I can use it as a (very very slow)
modem via BlueTooth.
MuahMan
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1183574780.7...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
But you can turn it on it's side and automatically switches to landscape!!!!
INOVATION BABY!!!!! Oh wait, my 4 year old monitor does that.
ZnU
Tim Murray <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote:
Buried in some 50 page terms of service agreement, there's probably a
line that says you're not allowed to do that.
Tim Murray
Once again, you spout off to soon: In 1990 Radius had a monitor called the
Pivot -- to attach to Macs, no less -- that autoswitched. So once again
either Apples or things attached to them are innovative.
Edwin
The third party Radius monitor does NOT count as an Apple
innovation. So once again a Maccie gives credit to Apple that they
do not deserve.
Alan Baker
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Other than being designed for a Mac...
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Edwin
> In article <1183651999.282109.265...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Elaborate on how this counts as innovation from Apple.
Alan Baker
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
It counts as innovation brought about *because* of Apple.
It was Apple's support for multiple monitors that made Radius Pivot
possible.
Here:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radius_Pivot>
"Radius was a computer hardware firm founded by Burrell Smith, Andy
Hertzfeld, Mike Boich, Matt Carter, Alain Rossman and other members of
the original Mac team specializing in Macintosh equipment."
and
"Another iconic product was the Pivot Display: a full-page display that
rotated between landscape and portrait orientation with real-time
remapping of the menus, mouse and screen drawing. The award-winning
product design was by Terry Oyama, former ID lead at Apple Computer."
A company started my Mac guys building products for the Mac that could
even have worked on Windows at the time.
ed
<snip>
> > > > The third party Radius monitor does NOT count as an Apple
> > > > innovation. So once again a Maccie gives credit to Apple that they
> > > > do not deserve.
>
> > > Other than being designed for a Mac...
>
> > Elaborate on how this counts as innovation from Apple.
>
> It counts as innovation brought about *because* of Apple.
>
> It was Apple's support for multiple monitors that made Radius Pivot
> possible.
i'm not sure why you think multiple monitor support makes possible
pivoting monitors?
<snip>
ed
and reading the link you provided, it seems that radius provided multi-
monitor support before apple did, so your contention that apple's
multi monitor support was important for the pivoting monitor seems
unlikely to be true, given these guys could of obviously handled that
themselves anyways...
Alan Baker
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
Because Apple's multiple monitor support included the ability to
reposition the monitors on the fly and the system would recofigure the
desktop appropriately; pretty much precisely what you need when you
pivot a monitor, wouldn't you say?
ed
> In article <1183681701.774855.274...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
> ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 4:12 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > > > > The third party Radius monitor does NOT count as an Apple
> > > > > > innovation. So once again a Maccie gives credit to Apple that they
> > > > > > do not deserve.
>
> > > > > Other than being designed for a Mac...
>
> > > > Elaborate on how this counts as innovation from Apple.
>
> > > It counts as innovation brought about *because* of Apple.
>
> > > It was Apple's support for multiple monitors that made Radius Pivot
> > > possible.
>
> > i'm not sure why you think multiple monitor support makes possible
> > pivoting monitors?
>
> > <snip>
>
> Because Apple's multiple monitor support included the ability to
> reposition the monitors on the fly and the system would recofigure the
> desktop appropriately; pretty much precisely what you need when you
> pivot a monitor, wouldn't you say?
or you could just tell the system you're operating at a different
resolution and have the system redraw, like on single monitor systems,
eh? :D
Alan Baker
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
Given the timing, I find it considerably more likely that the founders
of Radius took the concepts that were being worked on at Apple away with
them when they started Radius.
The Mac II was released in 1987. It had multiple monitor support from
the first. That means that Apple was working on that support internally
for quite some time.
Radius Inc was founded only 10 months before the release of the Mac II.
Do you really think that Radius developed a product from scratch,
released it and left enough time for Apple to engineer it into the Mac
in ten months?
Alan Baker
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
When did you start being able to do that, Ed?
ed
news:alangbaker-C9C13...@news.telus.net...
they could have developed it concurrently. or we could just stick with your
theory that everything is apparently innovated at apple. :D
ed
>> or you could just tell the system you're operating at a different
>> resolution and have the system redraw, like on single monitor systems,
>> eh? :D
>
> When did you start being able to do that, Ed?
changing resolutions on a single monitor system? a long time ago dude, i
don't know exactly when...
Alan Baker
"ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
Given that the founders of Radius worked for Apple immediately
preceding...
Alan Baker
"ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
No, I bet you don't...
Edwin
> In article <1183674889.667494.248...@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Because of what Apple's computers lacked. Radius turned Macs into
workstations by adding graphics cards and better monitors than Apple
offered. That doesn't make Apple an innovator.
> It was Apple's support for multiple monitors that made Radius Pivot
> possible.
>
> Here:
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radius_Pivot>
>
> "Radius was a computer hardware firm founded by Burrell Smith, Andy
> Hertzfeld, Mike Boich, Matt Carter, Alain Rossman and other members of
> the original Mac team specializing in Macintosh equipment."
>
> and
>
> "Another iconic product was the Pivot Display: a full-page display that
> rotated between landscape and portrait orientation with real-time
> remapping of the menus, mouse and screen drawing. The award-winning
> product design was by Terry Oyama, former ID lead at Apple Computer."
>
Why do you guys think having once worked for Apple gives credit for
everything that person does in the rest of his life to Apple?
> A company started my Mac guys building products for the Mac that could
> even have worked on Windows at the time.
"The advent of Macintosh computers with PCI expansion slots in 1995
saw the end of vendors that made expansion cards exclusively for
Macintosh computers. With minor tweaks and new firmware, PC expansion
card vendors were able to produce expansion cards for Macintosh OS
computers. With their far greater production volumes from the PC side
of the business, vendors such as ATI, Matrox, and others were easily
able to undercut the prices of Macintosh-only vendors such as Radius."
Your glory days ended a long time ago... and it's Wintel that made low-
cost high-powered Workstations possible, with PCI and AGP, not Apple
with its NuBus.
Edwin
> In article <4ikji.3611$rL1....@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
>
>
>
> "ed" <n...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
> > "Alan Baker" <alangba...@telus.net> wrote in message
> >news:alangbaker-C9C13...@news.telus.net...
> > > In article <1183681835.626781.83...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak worked at HP immediately preceding making
the Apple I... so they must have took concepts that were being worked
on at HP away with them... according to your 'logic...'
ed
> In article <kjkji.3612$rL1.3...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
>
> "ed" <n...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
> > "Alan Baker" <alangba...@telus.net> wrote in message
> >news:alangbaker-250B5...@news.telus.net...
> > > In article <1183681968.598048.137...@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> > > ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > >> or you could just tell the system you're operating at a different
> > >> resolution and have the system redraw, like on single monitor systems,
> > >> eh? :D
>
> > > When did you start being able to do that, Ed?
>
> > changing resolutions on a single monitor system? a long time ago dude, i
> > don't know exactly when...
>
> No, I bet you don't...
um, yeah, that's an easy bet, given i just said it, eh? :D
so when did that feature come out, alan?
Alan Baker
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
No. Because HP wasn't working on similar projects as the Apple I
When Burrell et al left Apple, Apple *was* working on the Mac II...
...which supported multiple monitors with the ability to reconfigure
their layout on the fly.
Alan Baker
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
I don't know, but then, I'm not basing any claims about anything on it.
What I do know is that Radius was founded by people who were in a
position to know precisely what Apple was developing for the Mac II.
John C. Randolph
The Radius Pivot was earlier than that, wasn't it? Seems to me I
remember those from 1987 or so.
BTW, Radius was founded by several of the original Mac team members,
including Andy Hertzfeld, Mike Boich and Burrell Smith.
-jcr
Alan Baker
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Ummmm...
...no.
Radius, founded by ex-Apple employees who worked on the Mac, simply beat
Apple to market because they could focus on one thing that Apple was
developing for the Mac II rather than having to produce the entire
system.
>
> > It was Apple's support for multiple monitors that made Radius Pivot
> > possible.
> >
> > Here:
> >
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radius_Pivot>
> >
> > "Radius was a computer hardware firm founded by Burrell Smith, Andy
> > Hertzfeld, Mike Boich, Matt Carter, Alain Rossman and other members of
> > the original Mac team specializing in Macintosh equipment."
> >
> > and
> >
> > "Another iconic product was the Pivot Display: a full-page display that
> > rotated between landscape and portrait orientation with real-time
> > remapping of the menus, mouse and screen drawing. The award-winning
> > product design was by Terry Oyama, former ID lead at Apple Computer."
> >
>
> Why do you guys think having once worked for Apple gives credit for
> everything that person does in the rest of his life to Apple?
When it's the first thing that he or she does immediately following
working for Apple, and it's product for the Mac, and the next Mac to be
released has essentially the same capabilities...
>
> > A company started my Mac guys building products for the Mac that could
> > even have worked on Windows at the time.
>
> "The advent of Macintosh computers with PCI expansion slots in 1995
> saw the end of vendors that made expansion cards exclusively for
> Macintosh computers. With minor tweaks and new firmware, PC expansion
> card vendors were able to produce expansion cards for Macintosh OS
> computers. With their far greater production volumes from the PC side
> of the business, vendors such as ATI, Matrox, and others were easily
> able to undercut the prices of Macintosh-only vendors such as Radius."
>
> Your glory days ended a long time ago... and it's Wintel that made low-
> cost high-powered Workstations possible, with PCI and AGP, not Apple
> with its NuBus.
LOL
Alan Baker
This link seems to show that it was first released in April of 1990:
<http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE6DC1F3AF934A25757C0A
966958260>
But there was the Radius Full Page Display before it.
>
> BTW, Radius was founded by several of the original Mac team members,
> including Andy Hertzfeld, Mike Boich and Burrell Smith.
Hmmm...
You don't suppose that they might have been privy to Apple's plans for
multiple monitor support, do you?
<g>
Mitch
> > It counts as innovation brought about *because* of Apple.
>
> Because of what Apple's computers lacked. Radius turned Macs into
> workstations by adding graphics cards and better monitors than Apple
> offered. That doesn't make Apple an innovator.
Are you under the impression that the word 'workstation' has a specific
kind of meaning?
If so, you've been fooled.
> Why do you guys think having once worked for Apple gives credit for
> everything that person does in the rest of his life to Apple?
And whomever else he worked for, but it is a strange consideration,
you're right.
There are a couple good reasons:
people learn about their jobs at each one they take, especially when
it's about developing new products
often those earlier experiences result in partnerships and camaraderie
sometimes there are patents and patent agreements that apply between
the companies and people
sometimes those developers have a specific product in mind when they
build; former Apple employees are famous for this attitude
> Your glory days ended a long time ago... and it's Wintel that made low-
> cost high-powered Workstations possible, with PCI and AGP, not Apple
> with its NuBus.
Wintel is not an organization that created any of those techs. Thus, it
doesn't represent the beginning of them. Wintel machines did NOT make
"high-powered workstations possible," it merely didn't prevent them.
Hardware development did not happen because of Windows or Intel; it
happened because of the growth of the computer industry in general.
Neither was PCI or AGP particularly aimed at one platform. Stranger,
NuBus was superior to what was offered in competition at the time
(which was ISA). So it figures you'd compare NuBus to PCI and AGP, from
years later.
ed
> In article <1183736089.6...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 6, 2:21 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>> > In article <kjkji.3612$rL1.3...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
>> >
>> > "ed" <n...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
>> > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...@telus.net> wrote in message
>> > >news:alangbaker-250B5...@news.telus.net...
>> > > > In article <1183681968.598048.137...@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>> > > > ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
>> > > <snip>
>> > > >> or you could just tell the system you're operating at a different
>> > > >> resolution and have the system redraw, like on single monitor
>> > > >> systems,
>> > > >> eh? :D
>> >
>> > > > When did you start being able to do that, Ed?
>> >
>> > > changing resolutions on a single monitor system? a long time ago
>> > > dude, i
>> > > don't know exactly when...
>> >
>> > No, I bet you don't...
>>
>> um, yeah, that's an easy bet, given i just said it, eh? :D
>>
>> so when did that feature come out, alan?
>
> I don't know, but then, I'm not basing any claims about anything on it.
neither am i- i'm just using it as an example of why you wouldn't need to be
able to do multi monitor support (which as i pointed out to you in the link
YOU provided, radius did first anyways) to be able to do a pivoting monitor,
eh? :D
> What I do know is that Radius was founded by people who were in a
> position to know precisely what Apple was developing for the Mac II.
your continual suggestions that radius stole ip from apple isn't going
anywhere with me. unless you have something to back up your insinuations,
it's just baseless accusations. i know you love apple and all, but these
are quite some claims you've tossed out.
Alan Baker
"ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
And can you point to any system earlier than than a Mac II that let you
do multiple resolutions?
>
> > What I do know is that Radius was founded by people who were in a
> > position to know precisely what Apple was developing for the Mac II.
>
> your continual suggestions that radius stole ip from apple isn't going
> anywhere with me. unless you have something to back up your insinuations,
> it's just baseless accusations. i know you love apple and all, but these
> are quite some claims you've tossed out.
Get real, Ed.
No one said they stole anything. That doesn't mean they didn't learn
some things in the course of working at Apple. Burrell Smitth was
intimately involved in the screen drawing routines, for instance.
ed
that's really not the point, is it? :D
>> > What I do know is that Radius was founded by people who were in a
>> > position to know precisely what Apple was developing for the Mac II.
>>
>> your continual suggestions that radius stole ip from apple isn't going
>> anywhere with me. unless you have something to back up your
>> insinuations,
>> it's just baseless accusations. i know you love apple and all, but these
>> are quite some claims you've tossed out.
>
> Get real, Ed.
>
> No one said they stole anything.
then what were you suggesting when you made comments like "I find it
considerably more likely that the founders of Radius took the concepts that
were being worked on at Apple away with them..." and "Do you really think
that Radius developed a product from scratch, released it and left enough
time for Apple to engineer it into the Mac in ten months" insinuates?
<snip>
Alan Baker
"ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
Actually, yes.
It's precisely the point.
>
> >> > What I do know is that Radius was founded by people who were in a
> >> > position to know precisely what Apple was developing for the Mac II.
> >>
> >> your continual suggestions that radius stole ip from apple isn't going
> >> anywhere with me. unless you have something to back up your
> >> insinuations,
> >> it's just baseless accusations. i know you love apple and all, but these
> >> are quite some claims you've tossed out.
> >
> > Get real, Ed.
> >
> > No one said they stole anything.
>
> then what were you suggesting when you made comments like "I find it
> considerably more likely that the founders of Radius took the concepts that
> were being worked on at Apple away with them..." and "Do you really think
> that Radius developed a product from scratch, released it and left enough
> time for Apple to engineer it into the Mac in ten months" insinuates?
It doesn't "insinuate" anything. It *states* "concepts".
ed
no, no it isn't. :P
>> >> > What I do know is that Radius was founded by people who were in a
>> >> > position to know precisely what Apple was developing for the Mac II.
>> >>
>> >> your continual suggestions that radius stole ip from apple isn't going
>> >> anywhere with me. unless you have something to back up your
>> >> insinuations,
>> >> it's just baseless accusations. i know you love apple and all, but
>> >> these
>> >> are quite some claims you've tossed out.
>> >
>> > Get real, Ed.
>> >
>> > No one said they stole anything.
>>
>> then what were you suggesting when you made comments like "I find it
>> considerably more likely that the founders of Radius took the concepts
>> that
>> were being worked on at Apple away with them..." and "Do you really think
>> that Radius developed a product from scratch, released it and left enough
>> time for Apple to engineer it into the Mac in ten months" insinuates?
>
> It doesn't "insinuate" anything. It *states* "concepts".
yes, my mistake- it *states* you think radius stole the concpepts. :P
Alan Baker
"ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
Nope.
Concepts can't be stolen.
ed
> In article <tWYji.18627$2v1....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>,
> "ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > What I do know is that Radius was founded by people who were in a
>> >> >> > position to know precisely what Apple was developing for the Mac
>> >> >> > II.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> your continual suggestions that radius stole ip from apple isn't
>> >> >> going
>> >> >> anywhere with me. unless you have something to back up your
>> >> >> insinuations,
>> >> >> it's just baseless accusations. i know you love apple and all, but
>> >> >> these
>> >> >> are quite some claims you've tossed out.
>> >> >
>> >> > Get real, Ed.
>> >> >
>> >> > No one said they stole anything.
>> >>
>> >> then what were you suggesting when you made comments like "I find it
>> >> considerably more likely that the founders of Radius took the concepts
>> >> that
>> >> were being worked on at Apple away with them..." and "Do you really
>> >> think
>> >> that Radius developed a product from scratch, released it and left
>> >> enough
>> >> time for Apple to engineer it into the Mac in ten months" insinuates?
>> >
>> > It doesn't "insinuate" anything. It *states* "concepts".
>>
>> yes, my mistake- it *states* you think radius stole the concpepts. :P
>
> Nope.
>
> Concepts can't be stolen.
well, they actually can, but looking again, your comment "Do you really
think that Radius developed a product from scratch, released it and left
enough time for Apple to engineer it into the Mac in ten months" clearly
suggests that you feel there was more than a concept that was stolen.
Alan Baker
"ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
No.
It suggests that what someone else claimed -- that Apple simply copied
the work of Radius when the added multiple monitor support -- was a
practical impossibility.
I was making no judgement about whether anything was stolen; just that
Apple didn't have the lead time to have copied Radius and that on the
face of it -- Radius having been founded by people who had been working
at Apple immediately beforehand, if there was any flow of ideas, it was
from Apple to Radius.
ed
nope, you made that comment in response to my refutation that apple's
multi-monitor support was important to for pivoting monitor support (i
pointed out that radius actually did multi-monitor support for the mac
first, so *apple* multi-monitor support clearly wasn't important).
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6e427077a432a32e
> I was making no judgement about whether anything was stolen;
that might be believable if your version of why you made that comment was
accurate, but it isn't. :D
Alan Baker
"ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
Yup. It was important because the folks who founded Radius certainly
learned about the concepts that they used to make it possible while
working at Apple.
>
>
> > I was making no judgement about whether anything was stolen;
>
> that might be believable if your version of why you made that comment was
> accurate, but it isn't. :D
>
> > just that
> > Apple didn't have the lead time to have copied Radius and that on the
> > face of it -- Radius having been founded by people who had been working
> > at Apple immediately beforehand, if there was any flow of ideas, it was
> > from Apple to Radius.
Sorry, ed, you can spin it as you like, but I never said that Radius
stole anything.
Learned something from their time at Apple? Sure. Stole? Never said it,
never meant it.
ed
> In article <wXZji.3972$rL1....@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
> "ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
>> > just that
>> > Apple didn't have the lead time to have copied Radius and that on the
>> > face of it -- Radius having been founded by people who had been working
>> > at Apple immediately beforehand, if there was any flow of ideas, it was
>> > from Apple to Radius.
>
> Sorry, ed, you can spin it as you like, but I never said that Radius
> stole anything.
>
> Learned something from their time at Apple? Sure. Stole? Never said it,
> never meant it.
um, ok, so do you think that the radius folks developed their multi monitor
product from scratch?
Alan Baker
"ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
No.
I think they learned some things from what Apple was doing to produce
the Mac II and then developed their own products.
Next.
ed
then i think what you're considering 'not from scratch,' many people would
(especially given your very legalese "you can't steal concepts" comment)
consider from 'scratch', hence the disagreement.
Alan Baker
"ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
Split hairs all you want.
The original discussion was about how what Radius did came out of what
Apple was doing with the Mac. Not about whether it was legal illegal or
pekinese. And the fact of the matter is that Radius took a concept that
was clearly already in the works at Apple and implemented it for a
machine on which Apple wasn't planning to introduce it and then later
for the Mac II (on which Apple most certainly was). And given that, the
innovation that the Pivot represented most certainly *did* come about
because of Apple.
This is not to say that it couldn't have come about without Apple, but
that isn't the way it happened. Edwin would like to pretend that it was,
but it just ain't so.
ed
damn dude, you are argumentative. :D i'm not splitting hairs - i'm stating
that we're probably in disagreement over semantics. almost quite the
opposite of splitting hairs, eh? :D
> The original discussion was about how what Radius did came out of what
> Apple was doing with the Mac. Not about whether it was legal illegal or
> pekinese. And the fact of the matter is that Radius took a concept that
> was clearly already in the works at Apple and implemented it for a
> machine on which Apple wasn't planning to introduce it and then later
> for the Mac II (on which Apple most certainly was). And given that, the
> innovation that the Pivot represented most certainly *did* come about
> because of Apple.
'clearly' and 'most certainly' to you- you've not shown anything other than
conjecture to support what you claim is clear and certain, which would
'clearly' make it not the 'fact of the matter'. :D
> This is not to say that it couldn't have come about without Apple, but
> that isn't the way it happened. Edwin would like to pretend that it was,
> but it just ain't so.
i really don't care what edwin thinks, and it's irrelevant to OUR
conversation, eh?
Edwin
> In article <1183734157.867814.7...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Document your claim, please.
> When Burrell et al left Apple, Apple *was* working on the Mac II...
>
> ...which supported multiple monitors with the ability to reconfigure
> their layout on the fly.
"The Macintosh II was designed by hardware engineers Michael Dhuey
(computer) and Brian Berkeley (monitor)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_II
The bottom line is...
... you are wrong...
... AGAIN! <G>
Alan Baker
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Sorry, that's your claim to document.
You're the one who's claiming that HP had concepts that were relevant
for the taking.
>
>
> > When Burrell et al left Apple, Apple *was* working on the Mac II...
> >
> > ...which supported multiple monitors with the ability to reconfigure
> > their layout on the fly.
>
> "The Macintosh II was designed by hardware engineers Michael Dhuey
> (computer) and Brian Berkeley (monitor)."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_II
>
> The bottom line is...
>
> ... you are wrong...
>
> ... AGAIN! <G>
You think two guys constituted the entire team the created the Mac II?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL