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Nashton
Jun 16, 2013, 5:36:22 PM6/16/13
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Feel free to just click on the link as it isn't broken.
http://www.sentinelsource.com/features/technology/the-beautiful-new-apple-computer-most-people-won-t-buy/article_94baf4d0-0757-594b-91a3-32b6ae812b5c.html
“It’s a load of rubbish. The things that we need in the film and video
business, everything’s dependent on cards.”
"Users of the new Mac Pro may want to stray outside Apple’s closed
system. Layhe, who has been shooting and editing film for 28 years, has
seven Macs at his company. He is in the process of building a
“hackintosh” — a custom PC that uses the same cards and boards found in
a Mac that can run Mac software, but has more USB slots and can take
additional cards. These unofficial systems can cost as little as $1,500
to build."
http://www.sentinelsource.com/features/technology/the-beautiful-new-apple-computer-most-people-won-t-buy/article_94baf4d0-0757-594b-91a3-32b6ae812b5c.html
“It’s a load of rubbish. The things that we need in the film and video
business, everything’s dependent on cards.”
"Users of the new Mac Pro may want to stray outside Apple’s closed
system. Layhe, who has been shooting and editing film for 28 years, has
seven Macs at his company. He is in the process of building a
“hackintosh” — a custom PC that uses the same cards and boards found in
a Mac that can run Mac software, but has more USB slots and can take
additional cards. These unofficial systems can cost as little as $1,500
to build."
Alan Baker
Jun 16, 2013, 6:11:58 PM6/16/13
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In article <kplb4d$tas$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.com>
wrote:
> Feel free to just click on the link as it isn't broken.
>
> http://www.sentinelsource.com/features/technology/the-beautiful-new-apple-comp
> uter-most-people-won-t-buy/article_94baf4d0-0757-594b-91a3-32b6ae812b5c.html
>
> łItąs a load of rubbish. The things that we need in the film and video
> business, everythingąs dependent on cards.˛
>
> "Users of the new Mac Pro may want to stray outside Appleąs closed
I think Apple is betting on exactly what he said:
'łWe donąt want to switch to PC because a lot of the software we use is
Mac only, and weąve been Mac users for a long, long time,˛ said Layhe,
adding that all his backups and stored video are Mac compatible.'
And hence for certain purposes, folks such as him will build
"hackintoshes"...
...but the number of those that will be built are relatively small
compared to all the smaller outfits and individuals who will buy the new
Mac Pro.
Note that he's already in the position of building one PRE the release
of the new Mac Pro, so clearly Apple merely creating a new system more
along the lines of their previous Mac Pro isn't going to be enough for
some people.
So given that, why should they cater to that much smaller market?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
wrote:
> Feel free to just click on the link as it isn't broken.
>
> http://www.sentinelsource.com/features/technology/the-beautiful-new-apple-comp
> uter-most-people-won-t-buy/article_94baf4d0-0757-594b-91a3-32b6ae812b5c.html
>
> business, everythingąs dependent on cards.˛
>
> "Users of the new Mac Pro may want to stray outside Appleąs closed
> system. Layhe, who has been shooting and editing film for 28 years, has
> seven Macs at his company. He is in the process of building a
> łhackintosh˛ ‹ a custom PC that uses the same cards and boards found in
> seven Macs at his company. He is in the process of building a
> a Mac that can run Mac software, but has more USB slots and can take
> additional cards. These unofficial systems can cost as little as $1,500
> to build."
Good for him.
> additional cards. These unofficial systems can cost as little as $1,500
> to build."
I think Apple is betting on exactly what he said:
'łWe donąt want to switch to PC because a lot of the software we use is
Mac only, and weąve been Mac users for a long, long time,˛ said Layhe,
adding that all his backups and stored video are Mac compatible.'
And hence for certain purposes, folks such as him will build
"hackintoshes"...
...but the number of those that will be built are relatively small
compared to all the smaller outfits and individuals who will buy the new
Mac Pro.
Note that he's already in the position of building one PRE the release
of the new Mac Pro, so clearly Apple merely creating a new system more
along the lines of their previous Mac Pro isn't going to be enough for
some people.
So given that, why should they cater to that much smaller market?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
AD
Jun 17, 2013, 3:48:10 AM6/17/13
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> So given that, why should they cater to that much smaller market?
>
Because that's exactly the type of crowd that had the most caustic
>
piss?
Justin
Jun 18, 2013, 8:36:50 AM6/18/13
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:36:22 -0300, Nashton wrote:
> Feel free to just click on the link as it isn't broken.
>
> http://www.sentinelsource.com/features/technology/the-beautiful-new-
apple-computer-most-people-won-t-buy/
article_94baf4d0-0757-594b-91a3-32b6ae812b5c.html
I never heard of Chris Layhe therefore he is irrelevant
> Feel free to just click on the link as it isn't broken.
>
> http://www.sentinelsource.com/features/technology/the-beautiful-new-
apple-computer-most-people-won-t-buy/
article_94baf4d0-0757-594b-91a3-32b6ae812b5c.html
Justin
Jun 18, 2013, 9:17:21 AM6/18/13
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On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 00:48:10 -0700, AD wrote:
>> So given that, why should they cater to that much smaller market?
>>
> Because that's exactly the type of crowd that had the most caustic piss?
OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
>> So given that, why should they cater to that much smaller market?
>>
> Because that's exactly the type of crowd that had the most caustic piss?
For what? back in the late 1990's in college, the art department had two
MPEG capture cards, one was in the Mac, the other was on a Windows NT
machine. I know because I was the poor guy who had to install those
things.
What expansion cards does he need? Honest question. Analog video capture
is a thing of the past. Camcorders now use SD cards, HDV is captured via
Firewire - what industry specific magic expansion card does this guy need?
I remember when ISA slots were starting to disappear - circa 1997.
Everyone was going batshit crazy thinking they would have to spend an
extra $25 on a new 56k modem because their new motherboard wouldn't have
an ISA slot.
So back to my question, what magical card does this guy need?
-hh
Jun 18, 2013, 10:01:26 AM6/18/13
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On Jun 18, 9:17 am, Justin <justinthenumbers...@hatespam.edu> wrote:
>
> OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
> For what? ...
>
> OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
> So back to my question, what magical card does this guy need?
The article mentions video cards -- but neglects to mention what the
current out-of-the-box system already offers, namely twin AMD FirePro
GPUs that alone can support up to three (3) 4K video streams
concurrently.
In general, the challenge that Apple consumers of this product are
going to have is how ... and *IF* ... Apple is going to keep up with
advancements in GPU cards - ones that both physically fit as well as
comply with the thermal envelope requirements.
Afterall, one of the big advantages of the "Big Old Box" paradigm is
that video card manufacturers had much more lattitude in their design
envelope for their highest end stuff, to stuff a lot more junk onto a
single card - even if it blocked an adjacent PCIe slot, required power
jumpers, etc ... and cost $2000 a copy: the bleeding high end would
deal with it.
What a lot of this IMHO *really* alludes to is if Apple has something
more "up their sleeve" in terms of collaborative (shared) compuational
horsepower. We could suggest XGrid as a notional example, but XGrid
was discontinued a year ago...*maybe* there's something brand new in
the works that can employ TB2 to functionally network/grid a sixpack
of MacPros together to obviate the need for aftermarket video
cards...or maybe not. We simply do not know. Have to admit that it
would be a really big "One More Thing" if it were to happen, but I
haven't noticed any obvious path forward emerging in this particular
area. Sure, maybe Grand Central Dispatch (GCD) exploitation in
applications like Final Cut X ... but one would reasonably have
expected there to have been a few breadcrumbs by now.
-hh
Nashton
Jun 18, 2013, 1:55:58 PM6/18/13
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On 6/18/2013 10:17 AM, Justin wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 00:48:10 -0700, AD wrote:
>
>>> So given that, why should they cater to that much smaller market?
>>>
>> Because that's exactly the type of crowd that had the most caustic piss?
>
> OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
> For what? back in the late 1990's in college, the art department had two
> MPEG capture cards, one was in the Mac, the other was on a Windows NT
> machine. I know because I was the poor guy who had to install those
> things.
Because we all know that "cards" are the only component that pros need
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 00:48:10 -0700, AD wrote:
>
>>> So given that, why should they cater to that much smaller market?
>>>
>> Because that's exactly the type of crowd that had the most caustic piss?
>
> OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
> For what? back in the late 1990's in college, the art department had two
> MPEG capture cards, one was in the Mac, the other was on a Windows NT
> machine. I know because I was the poor guy who had to install those
> things.
in a professional work station.
Another fanguuuurl advocating Apple's, post iSteve brain farts. This is
hilarious: the product isn't even available yet (where can I buy it?)
and their collective panties are in a bunch!
At least they didn't put the ports on the bottom..LOL
Nashton
Jun 18, 2013, 2:00:10 PM6/18/13
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On 6/18/2013 11:01 AM, -hh wrote:
> On Jun 18, 9:17 am, Justin <justinthenumbers...@hatespam.edu> wrote:
>>
>> OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
>> For what? ...
>> So back to my question, what magical card does this guy need?
>
> The article mentions video cards -- but neglects to mention what the
> current out-of-the-box system already offers, namely twin AMD FirePro
> GPUs that alone can support up to three (3) 4K video streams
> concurrently.
>
> In general, the challenge that Apple consumers of this product are
> going to have is how ... and *IF* ... Apple is going to keep up with
> advancements in GPU cards - ones that both physically fit as well as
> comply with the thermal envelope requirements.
Nobody will write drivers for good cards on the Mac anyways which is why
> On Jun 18, 9:17 am, Justin <justinthenumbers...@hatespam.edu> wrote:
>>
>> OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
>> For what? ...
>> So back to my question, what magical card does this guy need?
>
> The article mentions video cards -- but neglects to mention what the
> current out-of-the-box system already offers, namely twin AMD FirePro
> GPUs that alone can support up to three (3) 4K video streams
> concurrently.
>
> In general, the challenge that Apple consumers of this product are
> going to have is how ... and *IF* ... Apple is going to keep up with
> advancements in GPU cards - ones that both physically fit as well as
> comply with the thermal envelope requirements.
Pros have abandoned the platform in droves.
>
> Afterall, one of the big advantages of the "Big Old Box" paradigm is
> that video card manufacturers had much more lattitude in their design
> envelope for their highest end stuff, to stuff a lot more junk onto a
> single card - even if it blocked an adjacent PCIe slot, required power
> jumpers, etc ... and cost $2000 a copy: the bleeding high end would
> deal with it.
sells all five of these things and EOLs it faster than you can say Cube,
that this is going to change anything in the industry.
>
> What a lot of this IMHO *really* alludes to is if Apple has something
> more "up their sleeve" in terms of collaborative (shared) compuational
> horsepower. We could suggest XGrid as a notional example, but XGrid
> was discontinued a year ago...*maybe* there's something brand new in
> the works that can employ TB2 to functionally network/grid a sixpack
> of MacPros together to obviate the need for aftermarket video
> cards...or maybe not. We simply do not know.
> Have to admit that it
> would be a really big "One More Thing" if it were to happen, but I
> haven't noticed any obvious path forward emerging in this particular
> area. Sure, maybe Grand Central Dispatch (GCD) exploitation in
> applications like Final Cut X ... but one would reasonably have
> expected there to have been a few breadcrumbs by now.
>
>
> -hh
>
Alan Baker
Jun 18, 2013, 2:02:33 PM6/18/13
to
In article <kpq6v3$gvi$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.com>
wrote:
> On 6/18/2013 10:17 AM, Justin wrote:
> > On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 00:48:10 -0700, AD wrote:
> >
> >>> So given that, why should they cater to that much smaller market?
> >>>
> >> Because that's exactly the type of crowd that had the most caustic piss?
> >
> > OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
> > For what? back in the late 1990's in college, the art department had two
> > MPEG capture cards, one was in the Mac, the other was on a Windows NT
> > machine. I know because I was the poor guy who had to install those
> > things.
>
> Because we all know that "cards" are the only component that pros need
> in a professional work station.
So what are some of these other things they need that the new Mac Pro
cannot accommodate with its external expandability, Nicolas?
>
> Another fanguuuurl advocating Apple's, post iSteve brain farts. This is
> hilarious: the product isn't even available yet (where can I buy it?)
> and their collective panties are in a bunch!
I love the whole ret-conning thing you trolls are now doing re: Steve
Jobs.
But the comma between "Apple's" and "post" is wrong, and there should be
a "-" between "post" and "Steve".
wrote:
> On 6/18/2013 10:17 AM, Justin wrote:
> > On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 00:48:10 -0700, AD wrote:
> >
> >>> So given that, why should they cater to that much smaller market?
> >>>
> >> Because that's exactly the type of crowd that had the most caustic piss?
> >
> > OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
> > For what? back in the late 1990's in college, the art department had two
> > MPEG capture cards, one was in the Mac, the other was on a Windows NT
> > machine. I know because I was the poor guy who had to install those
> > things.
>
> Because we all know that "cards" are the only component that pros need
> in a professional work station.
cannot accommodate with its external expandability, Nicolas?
>
> Another fanguuuurl advocating Apple's, post iSteve brain farts. This is
> hilarious: the product isn't even available yet (where can I buy it?)
> and their collective panties are in a bunch!
Jobs.
But the comma between "Apple's" and "post" is wrong, and there should be
a "-" between "post" and "Steve".
Nashton
Jun 18, 2013, 2:04:30 PM6/18/13
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your crap box somehow broke.
There are a lot of Pros nobody has heard of. For your benefit, next time
I see some Hollywood celebrity opine about Macs, I'll be sure to post it
here so that you can judge it for its gravitas.
Alan Baker
Jun 18, 2013, 2:05:21 PM6/18/13
to
In article <kpq76v$hg5$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.com>
wrote:
> On 6/18/2013 11:01 AM, -hh wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 9:17 am, Justin <justinthenumbers...@hatespam.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
> >> For what? ...
> >> So back to my question, what magical card does this guy need?
> >
> > The article mentions video cards -- but neglects to mention what the
> > current out-of-the-box system already offers, namely twin AMD FirePro
> > GPUs that alone can support up to three (3) 4K video streams
> > concurrently.
> >
> > In general, the challenge that Apple consumers of this product are
> > going to have is how ... and *IF* ... Apple is going to keep up with
> > advancements in GPU cards - ones that both physically fit as well as
> > comply with the thermal envelope requirements.
>
> Nobody will write drivers for good cards on the Mac anyways which is why
> Pros have abandoned the platform in droves.
Have they, Nicolas?
You're not a pro yourself, so you don't count, BTW.
>
> >
> > Afterall, one of the big advantages of the "Big Old Box" paradigm is
> > that video card manufacturers had much more lattitude in their design
> > envelope for their highest end stuff, to stuff a lot more junk onto a
> > single card - even if it blocked an adjacent PCIe slot, required power
> > jumpers, etc ... and cost $2000 a copy: the bleeding high end would
> > deal with it.
>
> That paradigm is still alive and well, unless you think that when Apple
> sells all five of these things and EOLs it faster than you can say Cube,
> that this is going to change anything in the industry.
Thunderbolt is changing the audio and video industries...
>
>
> >
> > What a lot of this IMHO *really* alludes to is if Apple has something
> > more "up their sleeve" in terms of collaborative (shared) compuational
> > horsepower. We could suggest XGrid as a notional example, but XGrid
> > was discontinued a year ago...*maybe* there's something brand new in
> > the works that can employ TB2 to functionally network/grid a sixpack
> > of MacPros together to obviate the need for aftermarket video
> > cards...or maybe not. We simply do not know.
>
> LOLOL!
>
> > Have to admit that it
> > would be a really big "One More Thing" if it were to happen, but I
> > haven't noticed any obvious path forward emerging in this particular
> > area. Sure, maybe Grand Central Dispatch (GCD) exploitation in
> > applications like Final Cut X ... but one would reasonably have
> > expected there to have been a few breadcrumbs by now.
>
> Bloviating again, I see, habeeb.
Bigotry again, bigot?
"Flint", please go ahead and step in and find a new way to defend the
bigot.
:-)
wrote:
> On 6/18/2013 11:01 AM, -hh wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 9:17 am, Justin <justinthenumbers...@hatespam.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
> >> For what? ...
> >> So back to my question, what magical card does this guy need?
> >
> > The article mentions video cards -- but neglects to mention what the
> > current out-of-the-box system already offers, namely twin AMD FirePro
> > GPUs that alone can support up to three (3) 4K video streams
> > concurrently.
> >
> > In general, the challenge that Apple consumers of this product are
> > going to have is how ... and *IF* ... Apple is going to keep up with
> > advancements in GPU cards - ones that both physically fit as well as
> > comply with the thermal envelope requirements.
>
> Nobody will write drivers for good cards on the Mac anyways which is why
> Pros have abandoned the platform in droves.
You're not a pro yourself, so you don't count, BTW.
>
> >
> > Afterall, one of the big advantages of the "Big Old Box" paradigm is
> > that video card manufacturers had much more lattitude in their design
> > envelope for their highest end stuff, to stuff a lot more junk onto a
> > single card - even if it blocked an adjacent PCIe slot, required power
> > jumpers, etc ... and cost $2000 a copy: the bleeding high end would
> > deal with it.
>
> That paradigm is still alive and well, unless you think that when Apple
> sells all five of these things and EOLs it faster than you can say Cube,
> that this is going to change anything in the industry.
>
>
> >
> > What a lot of this IMHO *really* alludes to is if Apple has something
> > more "up their sleeve" in terms of collaborative (shared) compuational
> > horsepower. We could suggest XGrid as a notional example, but XGrid
> > was discontinued a year ago...*maybe* there's something brand new in
> > the works that can employ TB2 to functionally network/grid a sixpack
> > of MacPros together to obviate the need for aftermarket video
> > cards...or maybe not. We simply do not know.
>
> LOLOL!
>
> > Have to admit that it
> > would be a really big "One More Thing" if it were to happen, but I
> > haven't noticed any obvious path forward emerging in this particular
> > area. Sure, maybe Grand Central Dispatch (GCD) exploitation in
> > applications like Final Cut X ... but one would reasonably have
> > expected there to have been a few breadcrumbs by now.
>
> Bloviating again, I see, habeeb.
"Flint", please go ahead and step in and find a new way to defend the
bigot.
:-)
-hh
Jun 18, 2013, 3:35:35 PM6/18/13
to
Alan Baker wrote:
More aftermarket Mac video cards can be found here:
<http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro/faq/mac-pro-default-graphics-cards-dvi-dual-link-mini-displayport.html>
> > > Afterall, one of the big advantages of the
> > > "Big Old Box" paradigm is that video card
> > > manufacturers had much more lattitude...
> > > What a lot of this IMHO *really* alludes
> > > to is if Apple has something more "up their
> > > sleeve" in terms of collaborative...horsepower.
> Bigotry again, bigot?
>
> "Flint", please go ahead and step in and
> find a new way to defend the bigot.
(pulling out the popcorn)
-hh
>Nashton <na...@na.com> wrote:
> > -hh wrote:
> > > On Jun 18, 9:17 am, Justin <justinthenumbers...@hatespam.edu> wrote:
>
> > >>
> > >> OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
> > >> For what? ...
> > >> So back to my question, what magical card does this guy need?
>
> > > The article mentions video cards...
> > -hh wrote:
> > > On Jun 18, 9:17 am, Justin <justinthenumbers...@hatespam.edu> wrote:
>
> > >>
> > >> OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
> > >> For what? ...
> > >> So back to my question, what magical card does this guy need?
>
> > >
>
> > > In general, the challenge that Apple consumers of this product
> > > are going to have is how ... and *IF* ... Apple is going to
> > > keep up with advancements in GPU cards...
>
> > > In general, the challenge that Apple consumers of this product
> > > are going to have is how ... and *IF* ... Apple is going to
>
> > Nobody will write drivers for good cards on the
> > Mac anyways which is why Pros have abandoned the
> > platform in droves.
>
> Have they, Nicolas?
There's been some defections to be sure - - of course, what's not clear is how much of that was attributable to the Final Cut X debacle, not necessarily just hardware ... or even more specifically to video cards. For the latter, the options for the Industry have actually improved over the past ~2 years, and now include the NVIDIA Quadro K5000 for Mac ...BTW, I was slightly incorrect on my prior statement: it is presently on sale at NewEgg for $1799.99 ($700 discount).
> > Nobody will write drivers for good cards on the
> > Mac anyways which is why Pros have abandoned the
> > platform in droves.
>
> Have they, Nicolas?
More aftermarket Mac video cards can be found here:
<http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro/faq/mac-pro-default-graphics-cards-dvi-dual-link-mini-displayport.html>
> > > Afterall, one of the big advantages of the
> > > "Big Old Box" paradigm is that video card
> >
> > That paradigm is still alive and well,
> > unless you think that when Apple
> > sells all five of these things and EOLs
> > it faster than you can say Cube, that this
> > is going to change anything in the industry.
>
> Thunderbolt is changing the audio and video industries...
That may be so, but it doesn't excuse Nicholas for his reading comprehension failure.
> > That paradigm is still alive and well,
> > unless you think that when Apple
> > sells all five of these things and EOLs
> > it faster than you can say Cube, that this
> > is going to change anything in the industry.
>
> Thunderbolt is changing the audio and video industries...
> > > What a lot of this IMHO *really* alludes
> > > to is if Apple has something more "up their
> > > ...*maybe* there's something brand new in the
> > > works...We simply do not know....but one would
> > > reasonably have expected there to have been
> > > a few breadcrumbs by now.
>
> > Bloviating again, I see, habeeb.
A good topic for adults to discuss, which is precisely why Nicholas stepped in try to derail it with his hate propaganda.
> > > a few breadcrumbs by now.
>
> > Bloviating again, I see, habeeb.
> Bigotry again, bigot?
>
> "Flint", please go ahead and step in and
> find a new way to defend the bigot.
-hh
Gary
Jun 18, 2013, 3:48:28 PM6/18/13
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machine he has not used or seen in action.
I bet if someone visited this guy in a year he would be running 2 new
mac pro's at least.
Justin
Jun 18, 2013, 7:38:31 PM6/18/13
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professional user like him needs.
I wonder how many professionals still need floppy disks.
Justin
Jun 18, 2013, 7:39:57 PM6/18/13
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On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:04:30 -0300, Nashton wrote:
> On 6/18/2013 9:36 AM, Justin wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:36:22 -0300, Nashton wrote:
>>
>>> Feel free to just click on the link as it isn't broken.
>>>
>>> http://www.sentinelsource.com/features/technology/the-beautiful-new-
>> apple-computer-most-people-won-t-buy/
>> article_94baf4d0-0757-594b-91a3-32b6ae812b5c.html
>>
>> I never heard of Chris Layhe therefore he is irrelevant
>>
>>
>>
> You forgot the tedious task of placing your typing in <> on my link that
> your crap box somehow broke.
Why would I need to do that?
> On 6/18/2013 9:36 AM, Justin wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:36:22 -0300, Nashton wrote:
>>
>>> Feel free to just click on the link as it isn't broken.
>>>
>>> http://www.sentinelsource.com/features/technology/the-beautiful-new-
>> apple-computer-most-people-won-t-buy/
>> article_94baf4d0-0757-594b-91a3-32b6ae812b5c.html
>>
>> I never heard of Chris Layhe therefore he is irrelevant
>>
>>
>>
> You forgot the tedious task of placing your typing in <> on my link that
> your crap box somehow broke.
>
> There are a lot of Pros nobody has heard of. For your benefit, next time
> I see some Hollywood celebrity opine about Macs, I'll be sure to post it
> here so that you can judge it for its gravitas.
Justin
Jun 18, 2013, 8:01:29 PM6/18/13
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On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:00:10 -0300, Nashton wrote:
> On 6/18/2013 11:01 AM, -hh wrote:
>> On Jun 18, 9:17 am, Justin <justinthenumbers...@hatespam.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
>>> For what? ...
>>> So back to my question, what magical card does this guy need?
>>
>> The article mentions video cards -- but neglects to mention what the
>> current out-of-the-box system already offers, namely twin AMD FirePro
>> GPUs that alone can support up to three (3) 4K video streams
>> concurrently.
>>
>> In general, the challenge that Apple consumers of this product are
>> going to have is how ... and *IF* ... Apple is going to keep up with
>> advancements in GPU cards - ones that both physically fit as well as
>> comply with the thermal envelope requirements.
>
> Nobody will write drivers for good cards on the Mac anyways which is why
> Pros have abandoned the platform in droves.
Nobody writes good drivers for Windows, hence the consistsnt crashing.
> On 6/18/2013 11:01 AM, -hh wrote:
>> On Jun 18, 9:17 am, Justin <justinthenumbers...@hatespam.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK the guy said he needs expansion cards.
>>> For what? ...
>>> So back to my question, what magical card does this guy need?
>>
>> The article mentions video cards -- but neglects to mention what the
>> current out-of-the-box system already offers, namely twin AMD FirePro
>> GPUs that alone can support up to three (3) 4K video streams
>> concurrently.
>>
>> In general, the challenge that Apple consumers of this product are
>> going to have is how ... and *IF* ... Apple is going to keep up with
>> advancements in GPU cards - ones that both physically fit as well as
>> comply with the thermal envelope requirements.
>
> Nobody will write drivers for good cards on the Mac anyways which is why
> Pros have abandoned the platform in droves.
Hence the enterprise market abandoning the platform in droves.
Nashton
Jun 18, 2013, 11:03:36 PM6/18/13
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And who would want to put these in a creaky old Mac Pro? Can you say
bottleneck?
>
>
>>>> Afterall, one of the big advantages of the
>>>> "Big Old Box" paradigm is that video card
>>>> manufacturers had much more lattitude...
>>>
>>> That paradigm is still alive and well,
>>> unless you think that when Apple
>>> sells all five of these things and EOLs
>>> it faster than you can say Cube, that this
>>> is going to change anything in the industry.
>>
>> Thunderbolt is changing the audio and video industries...
>
> That may be so, but it doesn't excuse Nicholas for his
> reading comprehension failure.
>
>
>
>>>> What a lot of this IMHO *really* alludes
>>>> to is if Apple has something more "up their
>>>> sleeve" in terms of collaborative...horsepower.
>>>> ...*maybe* there's something brand new in the
>>>> works...We simply do not know....but one would
>>>> reasonably have expected there to have been
>>>> a few breadcrumbs by now.
>>
>>> Bloviating again, I see, habeeb.
>
> A good topic for adults to discuss, which
> is precisely why Nicholas stepped in try
> to derail it with his hate propaganda.
>
>> Bigotry again, bigot?
>>
>> "Flint", please go ahead and step in and
>> find a new way to defend the bigot.
>
> (pulling out the popcorn)
>
>
> -hh
>
Nashton
Jun 18, 2013, 11:05:34 PM6/18/13
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On 6/18/2013 8:39 PM, Justin wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:04:30 -0300, Nashton wrote:
>
>> On 6/18/2013 9:36 AM, Justin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:36:22 -0300, Nashton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Feel free to just click on the link as it isn't broken.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sentinelsource.com/features/technology/the-beautiful-new-
>>> apple-computer-most-people-won-t-buy/
>>> article_94baf4d0-0757-594b-91a3-32b6ae812b5c.html
>>>
>>> I never heard of Chris Layhe therefore he is irrelevant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> You forgot the tedious task of placing your typing in <> on my link that
>> your crap box somehow broke.
>
> Why would I need to do that?
Ask your pal bakr.
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:04:30 -0300, Nashton wrote:
>
>> On 6/18/2013 9:36 AM, Justin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:36:22 -0300, Nashton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Feel free to just click on the link as it isn't broken.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sentinelsource.com/features/technology/the-beautiful-new-
>>> apple-computer-most-people-won-t-buy/
>>> article_94baf4d0-0757-594b-91a3-32b6ae812b5c.html
>>>
>>> I never heard of Chris Layhe therefore he is irrelevant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> You forgot the tedious task of placing your typing in <> on my link that
>> your crap box somehow broke.
>
> Why would I need to do that?
Alan Baker
Jun 19, 2013, 3:24:37 AM6/19/13
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In article <kpr71u$1r1$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.com>
wrote:
Cite?
> And who would want to put these in a creaky old Mac Pro? Can you say
> bottleneck?
LOL
wrote:
> And who would want to put these in a creaky old Mac Pro? Can you say
> bottleneck?
Gary
Jun 19, 2013, 4:42:10 PM6/19/13
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Justin
Jun 19, 2013, 4:45:48 PM6/19/13
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Nashton
Jun 19, 2013, 11:13:56 PM6/19/13
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Biased as they come.
AD
Jun 20, 2013, 8:23:00 AM6/20/13
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with drivers that alert user with "please, please install me,
I did not bother to pass the lab but I work just fine"
or some cheap memory without ECC or a mobo that does not support ecc
than it's your problem, not ours
My xp machine with cherry picked hardware is rocksolid
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