Ease of use, revisited
Jim Polaski
128M RAM, 20G HD, DVD, Apple 17" Coloc Sync Monitor and Minolta
Transparency scanner plus an Epson 1200 printer.
Starting about 12, I spent about 45 mins backing up his old Mac for
safety's sake and to put his billing on a different machine. At 1, I
started putting the G4 set together which included installing an Adaptec
SCSI card for the scanner. I hooked up the scanner, printer and started
the G4. installed the scanner driver, printer driver and and installed
Photoshop 5.5 and restarted the G4. This took all of about 30-45 mins.
Consider that at this point I had configured NOTHING, other than to make
sure drivers worked, etc. So we stuck a 6 x 4.5 transparecy in the glass
holder, scanned it to an RGB file, converted it to CMYK and printed the
image to an 8 x 10. And the resulting image would satisfy just about
anyone, save for a pro with some subjective color tastes.
No configuration....I want to see this done on a Wintel...in 45 mins...
Bill Altenberger
Polaski <jpol...@wwa.com> wrote:
I agree with most of your post. However, the last time I checked Omnipage
Pro didn't have USB support included in their boxed software. One had
to register the software, get a password, download USB support, and
manually configure a few a files to get the USB scanner to work.
Much too complicated for the price one pays for Omnipage.
Bill
Johnny Lee
>
> So yesterday I went to a clients studio to set up his new G4, 450 mhz,
> 128M RAM, 20G HD, DVD, Apple 17" Coloc Sync Monitor and Minolta
> Transparency scanner plus an Epson 1200 printer.
>
> Starting about 12, I spent about 45 mins backing up his old Mac for
> safety's sake and to put his billing on a different machine. At 1, I
> started putting the G4 set together which included installing an Adaptec
> SCSI card for the scanner. I hooked up the scanner, printer and started
> the G4. installed the scanner driver, printer driver and and installed
> Photoshop 5.5 and restarted the G4. This took all of about 30-45 mins.
>
> Consider that at this point I had configured NOTHING, other than to make
> sure drivers worked, etc. So we stuck a 6 x 4.5 transparecy in the glass
> holder, scanned it to an RGB file, converted it to CMYK and printed the
> image to an 8 x 10. And the resulting image would satisfy just about
> anyone, save for a pro with some subjective color tastes.
>
> No configuration....I want to see this done on a Wintel...in 45 mins...
I'm not sure what that had to do with Mac advocacy, but here is an
answer to your challenge.
I recently received an HP Vectra Vli8 system (PIII-500) at my place of
employment to do some debugging of a cross-platform software. I wanted
to put in my old Jaz-1 driver so I can take the work home and work from
there. It shipped with WinNT, but I tossed it favor of Win98SE (so I
can play Unreal Tournament at work). I installed the new OS from a
Ghost CD and it took all about 15 minutes. I tossed in an Adaptec 2940
SCSI card and installed the Jaz-1 drive. No drivers needed and I was
able to get my files home. The whole operation took less than 30
minutes. I have configured nothing and it all worked.
The above, of course, like your post, has nary a point. You were
working with NEW systems, and so was I. These new systems, from
reputable companies, are expect to work well (no cloners here). You
installed common peripherals which are external, and require a driver.
I can safely expect to hook up any SCSI scanner to my HP system and it
will work.
So to do nearly what you have done, it can do done relatively easily on
a Windows box as well - no configurations.
DC
> So yesterday I went to a clients studio to set up his new G4, 450 mhz,
> 128M RAM, 20G HD, DVD, Apple 17" Coloc Sync Monitor and Minolta
> Transparency scanner plus an Epson 1200 printer.
>
> Starting about 12, I spent about 45 mins backing up his old Mac for
> safety's sake and to put his billing on a different machine. At 1, I
> started putting the G4 set together which included installing an Adaptec
> SCSI card for the scanner. I hooked up the scanner, printer and started
> the G4. installed the scanner driver, printer driver and and installed
> Photoshop 5.5 and restarted the G4. This took all of about 30-45 mins.
>
> Consider that at this point I had configured NOTHING, other than to make
> sure drivers worked, etc. So we stuck a 6 x 4.5 transparecy in the glass
> holder, scanned it to an RGB file, converted it to CMYK and printed the
> image to an 8 x 10. And the resulting image would satisfy just about
> anyone, save for a pro with some subjective color tastes.
>
> No configuration....I want to see this done on a Wintel...in 45 mins..
What's unusual about this? What configuration would you _need_ to do on
a PC? Do you think there's something magical that must be done? You do
the same thing - install the printer, install the scanner, install
PS5.5, and then you're done. Where's the difference?
You must be related to George Graves.
--
DC
Thingfishhhh
<9855C0B7FC00A545.6F3B1E6F...@lp.airnews.net>, DC
<d...@pdq.net> wrote:
> In article <jpolaski-13BFFF...@nntp.ce.mediaone.net>, Jim
> Polaski <jpol...@wwa.com> wrote:
>
> > So yesterday I went to a clients studio to set up his new G4, 450 mhz,
> > 128M RAM, 20G HD, DVD, Apple 17" Coloc Sync Monitor and Minolta
> > Transparency scanner plus an Epson 1200 printer.
> >
> > Starting about 12, I spent about 45 mins backing up his old Mac for
> > safety's sake and to put his billing on a different machine. At 1, I
> > started putting the G4 set together which included installing an
> > Adaptec
> > SCSI card for the scanner. I hooked up the scanner, printer and started
> > the G4. installed the scanner driver, printer driver and and installed
> > Photoshop 5.5 and restarted the G4. This took all of about 30-45 mins.
> >
> > Consider that at this point I had configured NOTHING, other than to
> > make
> > sure drivers worked, etc. So we stuck a 6 x 4.5 transparecy in the
> > glass
> > holder, scanned it to an RGB file, converted it to CMYK and printed the
> > image to an 8 x 10. And the resulting image would satisfy just about
> > anyone, save for a pro with some subjective color tastes.
> >
> > No configuration....I want to see this done on a Wintel...in 45 mins..
>
> What's unusual about this?
Not much, but he *IS* posting on topic, much to the supposed delight of
Tom Elam. THIS, if you want to get into it, is a true Mac *advocacy*
post.
Happy, Tom? :)
What configuration would you _need_ to do on
> a PC? Do you think there's something magical that must be done? You do
> the same thing - install the printer, install the scanner, install
> PS5.5, and then you're done. Where's the difference?
I think the point is that the Mac experience runs in this direction -
ease of use and a much friendlier and reliable Plug N' Play. MS *has*
taken great steps in this direction, but from personal experience and
from posts here and elsewhere on Usenet there's still problems with
Windows installs, especially on no-name or homegrown or cheaper
equipment, despite many, many Windorids and Gulls avowing that such
things *never* happen. ;)
> You must be related to George Graves.
Oh, c'mon, DC, don't make a personal insult just because you disagree
with him. I *know* you're above that - leave that kind of silliness to
the Edwins and Naties of the world - they're better at it, anyway! :)
Jim Polaski
Altenberger <bi...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> In article <jpolaski-13BFFF...@nntp.ce.mediaone.net>, Jim
> Polaski <jpol...@wwa.com> wrote:
>
> > So yesterday I went to a clients studio to set up his new G4, 450 mhz,
> > 128M RAM, 20G HD, DVD, Apple 17" Coloc Sync Monitor and Minolta
> > Transparency scanner plus an Epson 1200 printer.
> >
> > Starting about 12, I spent about 45 mins backing up his old Mac for
> > safety's sake and to put his billing on a different machine. At 1, I
> > started putting the G4 set together which included installing an
> > Adaptec
> > SCSI card for the scanner. I hooked up the scanner, printer and started
> > the G4. installed the scanner driver, printer driver and and installed
> > Photoshop 5.5 and restarted the G4. This took all of about 30-45 mins.
> >
> > Consider that at this point I had configured NOTHING, other than to
> > make
> > sure drivers worked, etc. So we stuck a 6 x 4.5 transparecy in the
> > glass
> > holder, scanned it to an RGB file, converted it to CMYK and printed the
> > image to an 8 x 10. And the resulting image would satisfy just about
> > anyone, save for a pro with some subjective color tastes.
> >
> > No configuration....I want to see this done on a Wintel...in 45 mins...
>
> I agree with most of your post. However, the last time I checked Omnipage
> Pro didn't have USB support included in their boxed software. One had
> to register the software, get a password, download USB support, and
> manually configure a few a files to get the USB scanner to work.
> Much too complicated for the price one pays for Omnipage.
>
> Bill
======
First, this was a SCSI TRANSPARENCY scanner, not a flatbed. But so what.
Add a flatbed and get Omnipage since there is an adaptec SCSI card.
USB is not an issue...in this case.
Jim Polaski
<johnl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Jim Polaski wrote:
> >
> > So yesterday I went to a clients studio to set up his new G4, 450 mhz,
> > 128M RAM, 20G HD, DVD, Apple 17" Coloc Sync Monitor and Minolta
> > Transparency scanner plus an Epson 1200 printer.
> >
> > Starting about 12, I spent about 45 mins backing up his old Mac for
> > safety's sake and to put his billing on a different machine. At 1, I
> > started putting the G4 set together which included installing an Adaptec
> > SCSI card for the scanner. I hooked up the scanner, printer and started
> > the G4. installed the scanner driver, printer driver and and installed
> > Photoshop 5.5 and restarted the G4. This took all of about 30-45 mins.
> >
> > Consider that at this point I had configured NOTHING, other than to make
> > sure drivers worked, etc. So we stuck a 6 x 4.5 transparecy in the glass
> > holder, scanned it to an RGB file, converted it to CMYK and printed the
> > image to an 8 x 10. And the resulting image would satisfy just about
> > anyone, save for a pro with some subjective color tastes.
> >
> > No configuration....I want to see this done on a Wintel...in 45 mins...
>
> I'm not sure what that had to do with Mac advocacy, but here is an
> answer to your challenge.
>
> I recently received an HP Vectra Vli8 system (PIII-500) at my place of
> employment to do some debugging of a cross-platform software. I wanted
> to put in my old Jaz-1 driver so I can take the work home and work from
> there. It shipped with WinNT, but I tossed it favor of Win98SE (so I
> can play Unreal Tournament at work). I installed the new OS from a
> Ghost CD and it took all about 15 minutes. I tossed in an Adaptec 2940
> SCSI card and installed the Jaz-1 drive. No drivers needed and I was
> able to get my files home. The whole operation took less than 30
> minutes. I have configured nothing and it all worked.
>
> The above, of course, like your post, has nary a point. You were
> working with NEW systems, and so was I. These new systems, from
> reputable companies, are expect to work well (no cloners here). You
> installed common peripherals which are external, and require a driver.
> I can safely expect to hook up any SCSI scanner to my HP system and it
> will work.
=====
Ah but you miss the point. The system produced a very good nearly
neutral print on the first try due to to the embedded Colorsync in all
peripherals, scanner, monitor and printer. Something you don't have on
your HP. No configuration remember, no TWEAKING. And I specifically did
it this way when I set up the box to see if it still held true that Macs
"just work" so-to -speak...I wanted to confirm my findings. And it did
work flawlessly...from PnP to the finished print.
All you're talking about is hooking up things. I was referencing
actually using the set up to do a meaningful scan. Show me where you did
a color correct scan/print on yours...the PC that is in this situation.
==========
Jim Polaski
> In article <jpolaski-13BFFF...@nntp.ce.mediaone.net>, Jim
> Polaski <jpol...@wwa.com> wrote:
>
> > So yesterday I went to a clients studio to set up his new G4, 450 mhz,
> > 128M RAM, 20G HD, DVD, Apple 17" Coloc Sync Monitor and Minolta
> > Transparency scanner plus an Epson 1200 printer.
> >
> > Starting about 12, I spent about 45 mins backing up his old Mac for
> > safety's sake and to put his billing on a different machine. At 1, I
> > started putting the G4 set together which included installing an
> > Adaptec
> > SCSI card for the scanner. I hooked up the scanner, printer and started
> > the G4. installed the scanner driver, printer driver and and installed
> > Photoshop 5.5 and restarted the G4. This took all of about 30-45 mins.
> >
> > Consider that at this point I had configured NOTHING, other than to
> > make
> > sure drivers worked, etc. So we stuck a 6 x 4.5 transparecy in the
> > glass
> > holder, scanned it to an RGB file, converted it to CMYK and printed the
> > image to an 8 x 10. And the resulting image would satisfy just about
> > anyone, save for a pro with some subjective color tastes.
> >
> > No configuration....I want to see this done on a Wintel...in 45 mins..
>
> What's unusual about this? What configuration would you _need_ to do on
> a PC? Do you think there's something magical that must be done? You do
> the same thing - install the printer, install the scanner, install
> PS5.5, and then you're done. Where's the difference?
>
> You must be related to George Graves.
=====
Don't talk about what you think you need to do. I'm talking about two
issues. One, PnP, and the other, the "color corretness" that came out of
the box with no configuration or post-scan adjustment in Photoshop,
other than size to fit the paper.
This Mac has embedded Colorsync profiles on scanner, monitor and
printer. How about your PC? Where are those profiles? The point is for
Mr. Average, he can plug these things together and get a nearly
professional result without having to necessarily know color correction,
levels, sharpness, masking....
dc
<Thingf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>What configuration would you _need_ to do on
>> a PC? Do you think there's something magical that must be done? You do
>> the same thing - install the printer, install the scanner, install
>> PS5.5, and then you're done. Where's the difference?
>I think the point is that the Mac experience runs in this direction -
>ease of use and a much friendlier and reliable Plug N' Play. MS *has*
>taken great steps in this direction, but from personal experience and
>from posts here and elsewhere on Usenet there's still problems with
>Windows installs, especially on no-name or homegrown or cheaper
>equipment, despite many, many Windorids and Gulls avowing that such
>things *never* happen. ;)
The Mac doesn't have PnP. Drivers must be installed still, and the
entire Macintosh driver model (I'm speaking of graphics drivers) is
positively archaic compared to what's in Windows NT/98/95/2k. I would
term the Mac experience similar to what the Amiga has - autoconfig,
with limited functionality for some devices (like video) even without
a driver (much like VGA for PCs). When I say archaic, I'm talking
about the fact that no one Mac accellerator offers "it all" - Apple is
wedded to ATI for everything, and so Mac users are stuck with ATI.
Using a company besides ATI means the user must take a substantial
risk of horrid QT accelleration (3dfx cards suffer from this - it's so
bad that I've removed my 3dfx card), poor OpenGL implementation (3dfx
and the Permedia 3 folks have hacked it; has anyone else?), and a
variety of other annoying factors (like VGS only working with ATI
cards, and other absurd nonsense no one should have to deal with in
1999 much less 2000 - and *especially* not on an "easy to use" Mac).
Video driver abstraction *sucks* on the Mac - if you aren't using ATI,
you're screwed for all-around solutions.
(Speaking of problems) I donno, ZnU. I just don't see it. I have
all kinds of things attached to my (homegrown) computer(s), and I
don't see problems. Like most MacVocates here, though, I probably
have the knowledge to know what won't work or would work poorly
*before* I implement it.
For example, a parallel Zip drive connected to a parallel scanner
connected to a parallel printer is something you'd never see on my PC
- yet an associate has exactly this on her PC, and I suspect her
performance while using multiple devices on the chain is very poor,
and Windows hangs as it tries to find the parallel Zip while in the
middle of a Scan operation may be something she has to put up with; I
don't know. Paralllel ports are for printers - and for Ghosting empty
PCs with a parallel Orb or similar drive...only.
I have a soon to be sold ABit BH6 MB ($90 or so nowadays), a Celeron
450 (nowadays one would buy a Celeron 366 and OC to 550, $50), 128M
RAM (as of this moment; about $150), a $100 case (mega-tower), a
QLogic 1020ISP F/W SCSI controller ($100-ish used from 4 years ago),
an Apple 4X CDROM (from my Apple credit card, back in college), a
Panasonic 8x/4x CDR drive ($200), an IBM 15G IDE drive ($120), a PCI
Creative Labs Live! Value sound card ($100, with CLabs 4
spkrs/subwoofer), a Conner 2G/4G SCSI tape drive, a PCI NetGear 10/100
NIC($20), and that's about it. I need one finger to count the crashes
I've had in the past three months, with 100% uptime.
DC
Bill Altenberger
Polaski <jpol...@wwa.com> wrote:
> In article <billa-886704....@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bill
> Altenberger <bi...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> > In article <jpolaski-13BFFF...@nntp.ce.mediaone.net>, Jim
> > Polaski <jpol...@wwa.com> wrote:
> >
> > > So yesterday I went to a clients studio to set up his new G4, 450 mhz,
> > > 128M RAM, 20G HD, DVD, Apple 17" Coloc Sync Monitor and Minolta
> > > Transparency scanner plus an Epson 1200 printer.
> > >
> > > Starting about 12, I spent about 45 mins backing up his old Mac for
> > > safety's sake and to put his billing on a different machine. At 1, I
> > > started putting the G4 set together which included installing an
> > > Adaptec
> > > SCSI card for the scanner. I hooked up the scanner, printer and started
> > > the G4. installed the scanner driver, printer driver and and installed
> > > Photoshop 5.5 and restarted the G4. This took all of about 30-45 mins.
> > >
> > > Consider that at this point I had configured NOTHING, other than to
> > > make
> > > sure drivers worked, etc. So we stuck a 6 x 4.5 transparecy in the
> > > glass
> > > holder, scanned it to an RGB file, converted it to CMYK and printed the
> > > image to an 8 x 10. And the resulting image would satisfy just about
> > > anyone, save for a pro with some subjective color tastes.
> > >
> > > No configuration....I want to see this done on a Wintel...in 45 mins...
> >
> > I agree with most of your post. However, the last time I checked Omnipage
> > Pro didn't have USB support included in their boxed software. One had
> > to register the software, get a password, download USB support, and
> > manually configure a few a files to get the USB scanner to work.
> > Much too complicated for the price one pays for Omnipage.
> >
> > Bill
> ======
> First, this was a SCSI TRANSPARENCY scanner, not a flatbed. But so what.
> Add a flatbed and get Omnipage since there is an adaptec SCSI card.
>
> USB is not an issue...in this case.
Hi Jim,
No need to yell. All we can do is support our little corner of the universe.
I was just pointing out that USB support for the Mac isn't finely tuned yet.
Bill
Johnny Lee
>
> In article <386E7B9B...@hotmail.com>, Johnny Lee
> <johnl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > So yesterday I went to a clients studio to set up his new G4, 450 mhz,
> > > 128M RAM, 20G HD, DVD, Apple 17" Coloc Sync Monitor and Minolta
> > > Transparency scanner plus an Epson 1200 printer.
> > >
> > > Starting about 12, I spent about 45 mins backing up his old Mac for
> > > safety's sake and to put his billing on a different machine. At 1, I
> > > started putting the G4 set together which included installing an Adaptec
> > > SCSI card for the scanner. I hooked up the scanner, printer and started
> > > the G4. installed the scanner driver, printer driver and and installed
> > > Photoshop 5.5 and restarted the G4. This took all of about 30-45 mins.
> > >
> > > Consider that at this point I had configured NOTHING, other than to make
> > > sure drivers worked, etc. So we stuck a 6 x 4.5 transparecy in the glass
> > > holder, scanned it to an RGB file, converted it to CMYK and printed the
> > > image to an 8 x 10. And the resulting image would satisfy just about
> > > anyone, save for a pro with some subjective color tastes.
> > >
> > > No configuration....I want to see this done on a Wintel...in 45 mins...
> >
Just to be sure that I'm not mistaken here... I hooked have a scanner
on my home gaming rig and a HP 970C printer. I've never configured
anything there except for installing the drivers. I also have an Epson
digital camera. I can take pics and print them out without any problems
(using Photoshop). This is all done on a gaming Windows box. All I
have ever done is install the drivers and it's all worked fine. I'm
just wondering what you point was. Almost all the people who purchase
new Windows systems ca n probably do the same. This goes for the Mac
systems as well.
MeatEater
>
> For example, a parallel Zip drive connected to a parallel scanner
> connected to a parallel printer is something you'd never see on my PC
> - yet an associate has exactly this on her PC, and I suspect her
> performance while using multiple devices on the chain is very poor,
> and Windows hangs as it tries to find the parallel Zip while in the
> middle of a Scan operation may be something she has to put up with; I
> don't know.
Hehe, I've got this exact setup on my old home box. It is slow and
archaic, and scanning and accessing the ZIP at the same time is
*not* recommended...;-)
But it works, and I don't need to buy a SCSI/USB card for this
already filled-to-the-brink old box. Oh well, it *is* soon time
to upgrade, 3.5 years is *old* for a computer...
-- M.E.
Jim Polaski
Altenberger <bi...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> In article <jpolaski-EE30D7...@nntp.ce.mediaone.net>, Jim
> Polaski <jpol...@wwa.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <billa-886704....@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bill
> > Altenberger <bi...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <jpolaski-13BFFF...@nntp.ce.mediaone.net>, Jim
> > > I agree with most of your post. However, the last time I checked
> > > Omnipage
> > > Pro didn't have USB support included in their boxed software. One had
> > > to register the software, get a password, download USB support, and
> > > manually configure a few a files to get the USB scanner to work.
> > > Much too complicated for the price one pays for Omnipage.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > ======
> > First, this was a SCSI TRANSPARENCY scanner, not a flatbed. But so
> > what.
> > Add a flatbed and get Omnipage since there is an adaptec SCSI card.
> >
> > USB is not an issue...in this case.
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> No need to yell. All we can do is support our little corner of the
> universe.
> I was just pointing out that USB support for the Mac isn't finely tuned
> yet.
>
> Bill
=======
Sorry Bill...I wasn't intending it to be*yelling* was much as
emphasizing!
But I still like the guy making the flat statment that "Macs don't have
PnP"!
sigh...
--
Regards,
Jim Polaski e-mail jpol...@NOwwa.com
remove the "NO" to reply.
"A measure of a man is what he will do
knowing he will get nothing in return?
Jim Polaski
<johnl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Jim Polaski wrote:
> >
> > In article <386E7B9B...@hotmail.com>, Johnny Lee
> > <johnl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
I'm referring to having an image of quality sufficient to satisfy a Pro
fashion photographer producing images to go into print. Not just taking
home pictures where it matters not if the models blouse is a bit too red
or cyan or something else. An image that has to not just stop and an
ink-jet printer, but go out to an Agfa imagesetter or some other device
of equivalent capability to produce magazine quality reproduction. The
bigger point is that with ColorSync, the image he scanned when put on
another Mac in his clients office will look the same or as nearly so as
possible. You don't have that guaranteed or anything close to it with
your home system, PC based.
Considering that PC monitors operate at a different gamma than Macs, I'd
be suprised if any image came through well "ont the first try". With
some tweaking..sure. But still, not comsistantly and from image to
image.
In short, youre comparison is not a level one.
===========
=======
> >
> > ==========
> > > So to do nearly what you have done, it can do done relatively easily
> > > on
> > > a Windows box as well - no configurations
--
Johnny Lee
Ahh... Now I get what you're trying to prove. Might I suggest that you
declare your intentions more clearly in the first part of a post.
However, not to be out done. I hooked up a gaming rig. Wiped out
Win98SE. Installed W2K Pro RTM. Installed Half-Life, installed Unreal
Tournament, and both worked great. Now I took those to a Mac and find
that they cannot work there! Oh wait... Wrong machine. :-)
I guess my point was that Mac really are great for graphics artists
(it's their niche). Windows is great for games (their niche too). For
productivity I berate people using the phone and jot down notes on a
pure white 8.5 X 11 sheet of paper using a tooled called a pen
(sometimes pencil).
Paxon Hou
Polaski <jpol...@wwa.com> wrote:
]
] But I still like the guy making the flat statment that "Macs don't have
] PnP"!
]
] sigh...
Well, technically I guess the Mac doesn't have "Plug and Play". That
was a term invented by Microsoft and PC hardware companies to
differentiate the new PC software and hardware from the older stuff which
required manually configured IRQ's, DMA's, I/O ports. Since automatic
configuration was so inherent in the Macintosh hardware and software
design, Apple did not feel the need to give it a special name.
--
Paxon Hou
Jim Polaski
<johnl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
======
Um...show me where I was making the Mac a *gaming * machine. By most
measures, gaming is not a measure of anything greater than enterteinment.
I was talking of a box doing *productive work*....
...work, not playtime.
If you want to talk about games, that is a separate issue.
=========
Jim Polaski
<paxon-03010...@ppp-206-170-29-139.wnck11.pacbell.net>,
pa...@pacbell.net (Paxon Hou) wrote:
=====
Picky, ...picky....but if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, acts
like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a duck...
tinman
pa...@pacbell.net (Paxon Hou) wrote:
> In article <jpolaski-71327B...@nntp.ce.mediaone.net>, Jim
> Polaski <jpol...@wwa.com> wrote:
>
> ]
> ] But I still like the guy making the flat statment that "Macs don't have
> ] PnP"!
> ]
> ] sigh...
>
>
> Well, technically I guess the Mac doesn't have "Plug and Play". That
> was a term invented by Microsoft and PC hardware companies to
> differentiate the new PC software and hardware from the older stuff which
> required manually configured IRQ's, DMA's, I/O ports. Since automatic
> configuration was so inherent in the Macintosh hardware and software
> design, Apple did not feel the need to give it a special name.
>
Hmmm, you misspelled "copped," many of us were referring to plug and play
years before Wintel adopted the term.....
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