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zara

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Nov 11, 2005, 10:50:09 AM11/11/05
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Dell Dimension 4700
3.2 GHZ Intel
800 FSB
Windows XP
512 SDRAM
80 GB HD
CD-RW / DVD-ROM
Keyboard
Mouse
Ethernet
Adobie
Corel Word Perfect
Corel Photo Album
6 mos AOL
1 Year On- site


Big Bangfor the Buck


TheLetterK

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Nov 11, 2005, 10:56:12 AM11/11/05
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What version of OS X does it run?

--
"There is nothing I understand." - Shit

Edwin

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Nov 11, 2005, 11:33:55 AM11/11/05
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TheLetterK wrote:
> zara wrote:
> > Dell Dimension 4700
> > 3.2 GHZ Intel
> > 800 FSB
> > Windows XP
> > 512 SDRAM
> > 80 GB HD
> > CD-RW / DVD-ROM
> > Keyboard
> > Mouse
> > Ethernet
> > Adobie
> > Corel Word Perfect
> > Corel Photo Album
> > 6 mos AOL
> > 1 Year On- site
> >
> >
> > Big Bangfor the Buck
> >
> >
> What version of OS X does it run?

Now we know the perfect anti-Mac argument: just ask what version of
Windows it runs natively.

TheLetterK

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Nov 11, 2005, 11:45:54 AM11/11/05
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It would be a valid argument in a Windows advocacy group. This, however,
is the *Mac* advocacy group.

Edwin

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Nov 11, 2005, 12:09:28 PM11/11/05
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You're mistaken to believe counter-arguments have no place here, just
as you're mistaken to believe Mac Advocacy groups are only for Mac
owners, that Windows users should stay in "their own group."

TheLetterK

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Nov 11, 2005, 12:21:03 PM11/11/05
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No, but the focus of this NG should be towards Mac *advocacy*. It would
be completely inappropriate to have a "What version of OS X does it run"
response in a Windows advocacy group.

Of course, we can't exect you to abide by common courtesy.

Edwin

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Nov 11, 2005, 12:55:26 PM11/11/05
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> No,

You misspelled "yes."

> but the focus of this NG should be towards Mac *advocacy*.

Which means using legitimate arguments to promote acceptance of the Mac
from those who don't have a Mac.

> It would
> be completely inappropriate to have a "What version of OS X does it run"
> response in a Windows advocacy group.

A valid argument in favor of an OS is valid no matter if that argument
is made in it's "own group" or not.

Your "What version of OS X does it run" argument isn't valid anywhere.
It's just a cop out.

> Of course, we can't exect you to abide by common courtesy.

Do you have a hypocrisy quota to fill? I ask for information only.

TheLetterK

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Nov 11, 2005, 1:03:12 PM11/11/05
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> I can't read.

>
>
>>but the focus of this NG should be towards Mac *advocacy*.
>
>
> Which means using legitimate arguments to promote acceptance of the Mac
> from those who don't have a Mac.
My argument was perfectly legitimate. That machine won't be a Mac mini
killer until it runs Os X.

>
>
>>It would
>>be completely inappropriate to have a "What version of OS X does it run"
>>response in a Windows advocacy group.
>
>
> A valid argument in favor of an OS is valid no matter if that argument
> is made in it's "own group" or not.

I tmatters very much what group the argument is made in.

>
> Your "What version of OS X does it run" argument isn't valid anywhere.
> It's just a cop out.
>
>
>>Of course, we can't exect you to abide by common courtesy.
>
>

> I have a hypocrisy quota to fill.

Jim Lee Jr.

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Nov 11, 2005, 1:16:17 PM11/11/05
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In article <NS3df.7964$%k.2...@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
TheLetterK <thele...@spymac.nosppam.com> wrote:

> Edwin wrote:

> > Now we know the perfect anti-Mac argument: just ask what version of
> > Windows it runs natively.

> It would be a valid argument in a Windows advocacy group. This, however,
> is the *Mac* advocacy group.

Do you expect the Wintrolls to understand that?

--
Microsoft and Windoze: The combination that made computing dangerous.
Apple and OS X: The combination that made computing insanely great.
"VISTA" an acronym for the top five Windows problems: Viruses,
Intrusions, Spyware, Trojans and Adware.

Steve Mackay

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Nov 11, 2005, 2:05:35 PM11/11/05
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TheLetterK wrote:
> zara wrote:
>> Dell Dimension 4700
>> 3.2 GHZ Intel
>> 800 FSB
>> Windows XP
>> 512 SDRAM
>> 80 GB HD
>> CD-RW / DVD-ROM
>> Keyboard
>> Mouse
>> Ethernet
>> Adobie
>> Corel Word Perfect
>> Corel Photo Album
>> 6 mos AOL
>> 1 Year On- site
>>
>>
>> Big Bangfor the Buck
>>
>>
> What version of OS X does it run?
>

The developer release of OSX on Intel.

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/HCL#Dell_Dimension_4700

Now what version of windows runs natively on the Mac Mini :)


TravelinMan

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Nov 11, 2005, 2:40:04 PM11/11/05
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In article <3Y5df.5$tK...@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
Steve Mackay <steve_...@hotmil.com> wrote:

> TheLetterK wrote:
> > zara wrote:
> >> Dell Dimension 4700
> >> 3.2 GHZ Intel
> >> 800 FSB
> >> Windows XP
> >> 512 SDRAM
> >> 80 GB HD
> >> CD-RW / DVD-ROM
> >> Keyboard
> >> Mouse
> >> Ethernet
> >> Adobie
> >> Corel Word Perfect
> >> Corel Photo Album
> >> 6 mos AOL
> >> 1 Year On- site
> >>
> >>
> >> Big Bangfor the Buck
> >>
> >>
> > What version of OS X does it run?
> >
>
> The developer release of OSX on Intel.

Not letally.

>
> http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/HCL#Dell_Dimension_4700
>
> Now what version of windows runs natively on the Mac Mini :)

Why does it have to run natively? It runs - and it's legal.

TheLetterK

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Nov 11, 2005, 3:19:50 PM11/11/05
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Windows NT for PPC

Steve Mackay

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Nov 11, 2005, 3:20:39 PM11/11/05
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TravelinMan wrote:
> In article <3Y5df.5$tK...@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
> Steve Mackay <steve_...@hotmil.com> wrote:
>
>> TheLetterK wrote:
>>> zara wrote:
>>>> Dell Dimension 4700
>>>> 3.2 GHZ Intel
>>>> 800 FSB
>>>> Windows XP
>>>> 512 SDRAM
>>>> 80 GB HD
>>>> CD-RW / DVD-ROM
>>>> Keyboard
>>>> Mouse
>>>> Ethernet
>>>> Adobie
>>>> Corel Word Perfect
>>>> Corel Photo Album
>>>> 6 mos AOL
>>>> 1 Year On- site
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Big Bangfor the Buck
>>>>
>>>>
>>> What version of OS X does it run?
>>>
>> The developer release of OSX on Intel.
>
> Not letally.

And here I thought OSX had built in system wide spell checking? :)
No, not legally. But that wasn't stipulated by TheLetterK. I just
answered his question.

>
>> http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/HCL#Dell_Dimension_4700
>>
>> Now what version of windows runs natively on the Mac Mini :)
>
> Why does it have to run natively? It runs - and it's legal.

Why? Why don't you replace that screwdriver shop cam computer running
what looks like Mastercam(blech!) with a Mac Mini running VPC and see
how long it takes to program them cutter paths.

Steve Mackay

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Nov 11, 2005, 3:26:29 PM11/11/05
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Now I thought there was an Endian problem running NT/PPC on Apple hardware?

TheLetterK

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Nov 11, 2005, 3:32:05 PM11/11/05
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It was a joke :P

Steve Mackay

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Nov 11, 2005, 3:42:41 PM11/11/05
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DOOH! I thought you were serious...

TravelinMan

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Nov 11, 2005, 3:55:01 PM11/11/05
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In article <V77df.6$3H...@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
Steve Mackay <steve_...@hotmil.com> wrote:

Nope. Apple's PPC chips have the same endian behavior as the ones in IBM
systems.

I doubt if WInNT for PPC will run, but that would be because of driver
issues rather than endianness.

Edwin

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Nov 11, 2005, 6:59:17 PM11/11/05
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Why did you forge the above to look like a reply from me?

> >
> >>but the focus of this NG should be towards Mac *advocacy*.
> >
> >
> > Which means using legitimate arguments to promote acceptance of the Mac
> > from those who don't have a Mac.

> My argument was perfectly legitimate. That machine won't be a Mac mini
> killer until it runs Os X.

Just what an empty assertion needs: an empty claim of legitmacy. :-/

> >
> >
> >>It would
> >>be completely inappropriate to have a "What version of OS X does it run"
> >>response in a Windows advocacy group.
> >
> >
> > A valid argument in favor of an OS is valid no matter if that argument
> > is made in it's "own group" or not.

> I tmatters very much what group the argument is made in.

Nope. Your "argument" is just as invalid here as it would be anywhere
else.

> >
> > Your "What version of OS X does it run" argument isn't valid anywhere.
> > It's just a cop out.
> >
> >
> >>Of course, we can't exect you to abide by common courtesy.
> >
> >
> > I have a hypocrisy quota to fill.

Yet another forgery by you. Is that your way of "abiding by common
courtesty, " hypocrite?

Edwin

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Nov 11, 2005, 7:59:28 PM11/11/05
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That's spell D'oh! :-)

TheLetterK

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Nov 11, 2005, 8:02:28 PM11/11/05
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> Thanks

>
>
>>>>but the focus of this NG should be towards Mac *advocacy*.
>>>
>>>
>>>Which means using legitimate arguments to promote acceptance of the Mac
>>>from those who don't have a Mac.
>
>
>>My argument was perfectly legitimate. That machine won't be a Mac mini
>>killer until it runs Os X.
>
>
> Just what an empty assertion needs: an empty claim of legitmacy. :-/
Alright, can you explain how the system zara showed would qualify as a
Mac mini killer? The Mac users who buy the mini sure as hell aren't
going to go buy a Windows box.

>
>
>>>
>>>>It would
>>>>be completely inappropriate to have a "What version of OS X does it run"
>>>>response in a Windows advocacy group.
>>>
>>>
>>>A valid argument in favor of an OS is valid no matter if that argument
>>>is made in it's "own group" or not.
>
>
>>I tmatters very much what group the argument is made in.
>
>

> I agree.


>
>
>>>Your "What version of OS X does it run" argument isn't valid anywhere.
>>> It's just a cop out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Of course, we can't exect you to abide by common courtesy.
>>>
>>>
>>>I have a hypocrisy quota to fill.
>
>

> Thanks for the clarification.

Gert Elstermann

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Nov 11, 2005, 10:10:01 PM11/11/05
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Edwin schrieb:

> TheLetterK wrote:
>
>>Edwin wrote:
>>
>>>TheLetterK wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>zara wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Dell Dimension 4700

[snipped]

>>>>>Big Bangfor the Buck
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What version of OS X does it run?
>>>
>>>
>>>Now we know the perfect anti-Mac argument: just ask what version of
>>>Windows it runs natively.
>
>
>>It would be a valid argument in a Windows advocacy group. This, however,
>>is the *Mac* advocacy group.
>
>
> You're mistaken to believe counter-arguments have no place here, just
> as you're mistaken to believe Mac Advocacy groups are only for Mac
> owners, that Windows users should stay in "their own group."

So what about people - like me - who own both Mac and Windows computers?

Roy

C Lund

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Nov 12, 2005, 4:59:18 AM11/12/05
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In article <F23df.7949$%k....@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
"zara" <zsp...@aol.com> wrote:

> Big Bangfor the Buck

It can't run OS X, so no thanks. This is of no interest to me at all.

--
C Lund, www.notam02.no/~clund

C Lund

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Nov 12, 2005, 5:02:39 AM11/12/05
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In article <3Y5df.5$tK...@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
Steve Mackay <steve_...@hotmil.com> wrote:

> The developer release of OSX on Intel.

Uh huh. That's a one-time thing - *if* you can get it to work.

> http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/HCL#Dell_Dimension_4700

From what I saw when skimming through that list, it "sorta" works. You
could have graphics but no sound. You could have everything but
OpenGL, verything worked by no Quartz Extreme, etc.

> Now what version of windows runs natively on the Mac Mini :)

I could not care less.

--
C Lund, www.notam02.no/~clund

C Lund

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Nov 12, 2005, 5:03:46 AM11/12/05
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In article <1131726835.1...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:

> > What version of OS X does it run?
> Now we know the perfect anti-Mac argument: just ask what version of
> Windows it runs natively.

That would have been perfect, if it hadn't been for the fact that many
(if not most) of us maccies simply don't care.

--
C Lund, www.notam02.no/~clund

C Lund

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Nov 12, 2005, 5:07:28 AM11/12/05
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In article <1131731725.9...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:

> Your "What version of OS X does it run" argument isn't valid anywhere.
> It's just a cop out.

No, it's still valid. We maccies want to know what version of OS X so
and so machine can run natively. Your "what version of Windows"
counter-argument isn't valid because many/most of us simply don't
care. I value OS X. I don't value Windows. I don't give a rat's ass
what computers Windows runs on or not.

--
C Lund, www.notam02.no/~clund

Travelinman

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Nov 12, 2005, 7:44:18 AM11/12/05
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In article <clund-7A41BE....@amstwist00.chello.com>,
C Lund <cl...@notam02SPAMBLOCK.no> wrote:

Not to mention that we can STILL run Windows if we wish on our
computers. No matter how Eddie tries, he can't run OS X on his (at
least, not legally). So we have the choice of which OS to use, he
doesn't.

Why is choice only a good thing for WIntrolls when it involves 1,500
different word processors, 475 web browsers, and so on?

Sandman

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Nov 12, 2005, 5:54:33 PM11/12/05
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In article <F23df.7949$%k....@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "zara" <zsp...@aol.com>
wrote:

> Dell Dimension 4700
> 3.2 GHZ Intel
> 800 FSB
> Windows XP
> 512 SDRAM
> 80 GB HD
> CD-RW / DVD-ROM
> Keyboard
> Mouse
> Ethernet
> Adobie
> Corel Word Perfect
> Corel Photo Album
> 6 mos AOL
> 1 Year On- site
>
>
> Big Bangfor the Buck

Use a sig delimiter, Big Bangfor.


--
Sandman[.net]

Sandman

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Nov 12, 2005, 5:54:56 PM11/12/05
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In article <1131726835.1...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:

So you know what viruses you'll be compatible with? :)


--
Sandman[.net]

Heywood Jablowme

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Nov 13, 2005, 7:11:15 AM11/13/05
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On 2005-11-11 10:50:09 -0500, "zara" <zsp...@aol.com> said:

> Dell Dimension 4700
> 3.2 GHZ Intel
> 800 FSB
> Windows XP
> 512 SDRAM
> 80 GB HD
> CD-RW / DVD-ROM
> Keyboard
> Mouse
> Ethernet
> Adobie
> Corel Word Perfect
> Corel Photo Album
> 6 mos AOL
> 1 Year On- site
>
>
> Big Bangfor the Buck


Ooooh, "Microsoft Windows XP"........you lose!


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