Tech In 'Education'
Mayor of R'lyeh
http://www.cutusabreak.org/Pages/history.html
Cuss and discuss.
--
"I have had lots of viruses on my Mac..."
Jim Polaski
"I guess you're not ...a liar"
Joe Ragosta
Belphegor
I am all for 'cussing and discussing', but I find this effort a bit
lacklustre...
first of all I think this case has been discussed about a month ago,
along with general points about technology in education.
Secondly, what is your point? is the link supposed to show the dangers
of technology in schools or the dangers of Macs in particular? Are you
concerned about this particular school or the state of education in
general? Are you worried about the level of incompetence shown by the
schools staff or the level of 'delinquency' of the pupils? Or all of
the above?
TravelinMan
"Belphegor" <hue...@gmail.com> wrote:
Lacking any legitimate gripes against Apple, Mayor has to try to dig up
dirt about a few miscreants who happen to use Macs.
Edwin
It's obvious what the problem is with the Macs, and why the two of you
are attacking the Mayor to divert attention from it.
The Macs were NOT as secure as you guys always tell us they are, nor as
as easy to adminster as you have claimed.
TravelinMan
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
The fact that the admin gave out the admin password makes the Macs
insecure? Yet at the same time, you pretend that the thousands of
security holes in Windows are the users' fault?
You really are foolish.
Edwin
Macs are not inherently secure, no matter what excuse you create for
their security breeches.
> Yet at the same time, you pretend that the thousands of
> security holes in Windows are the users' fault?
Point out where I did that, above, or ever.
> You really are foolish.
You mistakenly assume I share that trait with you.
Alan Baker
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Wow, Edwin. You're right.
A computer can't be made secure against taping its password to the back
of it.
LOL
>
> > Yet at the same time, you pretend that the thousands of
> > security holes in Windows are the users' fault?
>
> Point out where I did that, above, or ever.
>
> > You really are foolish.
>
> You mistakenly assume I share that trait with you.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Edwin
Of course.
> A computer can't be made secure against taping its password to the back
> of it.
A Mac has no inherent immunity to poor security practices, as the one
named above.
> LOL
LOL
[snip]
Alan Baker
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Actually, you're completely sarcasm-impaired.
>
> > A computer can't be made secure against taping its password to the back
> > of it.
>
> A Mac has no inherent immunity to poor security practices, as the one
> named above.
No one has ever claimed it has, Edwin.
But you claiming that, "The Macs were NOT as secure as you guys always
tell us they are," is just so much nonsense.
>
> > LOL
>
> LOL
>
> [snip]
zara
"TravelinMan" <Now...@spamfree.com> wrote in message
news:Nowhere-405CAC...@news1.west.earthlink.net...
Most Mac users are miscreants.
Edwin
You're wrong... again.
> >
> > > A computer can't be made secure against taping its password to the back
> > > of it.
> >
> > A Mac has no inherent immunity to poor security practices, as the one
> > named above.
>
> No one has ever claimed it has, Edwin.
Yes they have, Alan. Maccies have frequently claimed or implied Macs
are inherently secure just by virtue of being Macs.
> But you claiming that, "The Macs were NOT as secure as you guys always
> tell us they are," is just so much nonsense.
You're wrong... again.
> >
> > > LOL
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > [snip]
LOL
zara
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1127418464.8...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> TravelinMan wrote:
>> In article <1127415670....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>> "Belphegor" <hue...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
>> > > http://www.cutusabreak.org/Pages/history.html
>> > >
>
> The Macs were NOT as secure as you guys always tell us they are, nor as
> as easy to adminster as you have claimed.
My brother fixes dozens of Macs a year, that exhibit malware problems.
Alan Baker
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
No one's claimed they are inherently secure against someone writing the
password on the back.
>
> > But you claiming that, "The Macs were NOT as secure as you guys always
> > tell us they are," is just so much nonsense.
>
> You're wrong... again.
You didn't claim that?
>
> > >
> > > > LOL
> > >
> > > LOL
> > >
> > > [snip]
>
> LOL
TravelinMan
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
You really are dense.
NOTHING is secure if you give away the keys. NOTHING.
That has nothing to do with the security of the platform. In fact, it's
interesting that hackers are breaking into Windows boxes by the millions
WITHOUT having admin rights, but the only way for hackers to break into
Macs is to be given the key.
Somehow, you think that's a bad thing.
>
> > Yet at the same time, you pretend that the thousands of
> > security holes in Windows are the users' fault?
>
> Point out where I did that, above, or ever.
Over and over again.
TravelinMan
"zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
Right.
Why do you think that anyone believes you - after your incessant lies?
Edwin
Yes they are. That's what inherent security is. You need take no
precautions to invoke it. No maybe you can finally realize how
foolish it is for Maccies to declare the Mac inherently secure.
All systems require effort and planning to make them secure, and if
that's done, any system can be secure, even Windows.
> >
> > > But you claiming that, "The Macs were NOT as secure as you guys always
> > > tell us they are," is just so much nonsense.
> >
> > You're wrong... again.
>
> You didn't claim that?
I meant you were wrong to call it "nonsense." Duh!
> >
> > > >
> > > > > LOL
> > > >
> > > > LOL
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> >
> > LOL
LOL
Jim Lee Jr.
> My brother fixes dozens of Macs a year that exhibit malware problems.
If you can stop fantasizing about Steve Ballmer for five seconds, name
those "Mac malware problems."
--
Microsoft and Windoze: The combination that made computing dangerous.
Apple and OS X: The combination that made computing insanely great.
Belphegor
Edwin wrote:
<snip>
>
> It's obvious what the problem is with the Macs, and why the two of you
> are attacking the Mayor to divert attention from it.
Attacking the mayor? I am glad you stand up for the mayor before
NashtOn gets a chance :)
Well, excellent! I was hoping the mayor would clue us in where, from
this students account, he can pinpoint the Mac's deficiencies to
safeguard the pupils from the inept 'administrators' and the 'unproven
disciplinarian'.
Please expand as to how a Windows laptop in the same situation would
have been invulnerable... it is not so obvious to me,but I am sure you
are able to explain.
>
> The Macs were NOT as secure as you guys always tell us they are, nor as
> as easy to adminster as you have claimed.
Point out where I did that, above, or ever.
All I would say is that I agree with the CEO of Intel in that, if you
want a virus free machine, buy a Mac.
(links and quotes on request)
As far as easy to administer I have never worked in a company that had
support staff specifically for the Macs, but I never worked with school
children so maybe that is unrepresentative :)
Belphegor
zara wrote:
<snip>
>
> My brother fixes dozens of Macs a year, that exhibit malware problems.
zara, you (and your brother) are priceless :)
Jim Polaski
Once again you prove that you and the mayor of nothing and nowhere make
a fine pair‹Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.
--
Regards,
JP
"The measure of a man is what he will do while
expecting that he will get nothing in return!"
Jim Polaski
Baloney. And prove it.
Alan Baker
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
<snip>
> > > > > > A computer can't be made secure against taping its password to the
> > > > > > back
> > > > > > of it.
> > > > >
> > > > > A Mac has no inherent immunity to poor security practices, as the one
> > > > > named above.
> > > >
> > > > No one has ever claimed it has, Edwin.
> > >
> > > Yes they have, Alan. Maccies have frequently claimed or implied Macs
> > > are inherently secure just by virtue of being Macs.
> >
> > No one's claimed they are inherently secure against someone writing the
> > password on the back.
>
> Yes they are. That's what inherent security is. You need take no
> precautions to invoke it. No maybe you can finally realize how
> foolish it is for Maccies to declare the Mac inherently secure.
No, Edwin. That makes the whole term *useless*.
>
> All systems require effort and planning to make them secure, and if
> that's done, any system can be secure, even Windows.
But comparing something that has to be done on *all* systems (securing
passwords), to what need only be done on some and declaring that there's
no difference is asinine.
And hence, so very you.
<snip>
Edwin
Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <1127426080....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > > > > > > A computer can't be made secure against taping its password to the
> > > > > > > back
> > > > > > > of it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A Mac has no inherent immunity to poor security practices, as the one
> > > > > > named above.
> > > > >
> > > > > No one has ever claimed it has, Edwin.
> > > >
> > > > Yes they have, Alan. Maccies have frequently claimed or implied Macs
> > > > are inherently secure just by virtue of being Macs.
> > >
> > > No one's claimed they are inherently secure against someone writing the
> > > password on the back.
> >
> > Yes they are. That's what inherent security is. You need take no
> > precautions to invoke it. No maybe you can finally realize how
> > foolish it is for Maccies to declare the Mac inherently secure.
>
> No, Edwin. That makes the whole term *useless*.
The term "inherently secure" has always been "useless," but you Maccies
keep on applying it to Macs anyway.
> >
> > All systems require effort and planning to make them secure, and if
> > that's done, any system can be secure, even Windows.
>
> But comparing something that has to be done on *all* systems (securing
> passwords), to what need only be done on some
Security measures have to be taken on all systems. The thing about
passwords is only one small example of why no system is "inherently
secure," not even Macs.
> and declaring that there's no difference is asinine.
>
> And hence, so very you.
In this context "you" refers to Alan "Asinine" Baker... who is wrong...
again.
Alan Baker
Edwin
Alan "punks out" again...
LOL
Alan Baker... wrong... again! <g>
Alan Baker
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > Security measures have to be taken on all systems. The thing about
> > > passwords is only one small example of why no system is "inherently
> > > secure," not even Macs.
> > >
> > > > and declaring that there's no difference is asinine.
> > > >
> > > > And hence, so very you.
> > >
> > > In this context "you" refers to Alan "Asinine" Baker... who is wrong...
> > > again.
> >
> > LOL
>
> Alan "punks out" again...
>
> LOL
>
> Alan Baker... wrong... again! <g>
LOL
Edwin
You just said I really am Joe Ragosta.
> NOTHING is secure if you give away the keys. NOTHING.
Security can be compromised on any system. None is "inherently
secure."
> That has nothing to do with the security of the platform.
Yes it does. The security of your benighted Macintosh was blown away
by self-stick labels and ink pens.
> In fact, it's
> interesting that hackers are breaking into Windows boxes by the millions
> WITHOUT having admin rights, but the only way for hackers to break into
> Macs is to be given the key.
Of course you'll never document either of those claims.
> Somehow, you think that's a bad thing.
Somehow you think it empowers your employees to use those Windows boxes
you say can be broken into without admin rights.
> >
> > > Yet at the same time, you pretend that the thousands of
> > > security holes in Windows are the users' fault?
> >
> > Point out where I did that, above, or ever.
>
> Over and over again.
You failed to point it out anywhere. Try again.
Edwin
Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <1127428814....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Security measures have to be taken on all systems. The thing about
> > > > passwords is only one small example of why no system is "inherently
> > > > secure," not even Macs.
> > > >
> > > > > and declaring that there's no difference is asinine.
> > > > >
> > > > > And hence, so very you.
> > > >
> > > > In this context "you" refers to Alan "Asinine" Baker... who is wrong...
> > > > again.
> > >
> > > LOL
> >
> > Alan "punks out" again...
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > Alan Baker... wrong... again! <g>
>
> LOL
LOL
Belphegor
zara wrote:
>
> Most Mac users are miscreants.
yep, and proud of it... :)
Alan Baker
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Yet Windows has that problem and far more.
Edwin
Macs also have that problem and far more.
Edwin
Posting that much irony to Usenet can't be legal...
Alan Baker
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
They just have fewer problems than Windows...
Mayor of R'lyeh
chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>In article <1127415670....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> "Belphegor" <hue...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
>> > http://www.cutusabreak.org/Pages/history.html
>> >
>> > Cuss and discuss.
>>
>> I am all for 'cussing and discussing', but I find this effort a bit
>> lacklustre...
>>
>> first of all I think this case has been discussed about a month ago,
>> along with general points about technology in education.
>>
>> Secondly, what is your point? is the link supposed to show the dangers
>> of technology in schools or the dangers of Macs in particular? Are you
>> concerned about this particular school or the state of education in
>> general? Are you worried about the level of incompetence shown by the
>> schools staff or the level of 'delinquency' of the pupils? Or all of
>> the above?
>
>Lacking any legitimate gripes against Apple, Mayor has to try to dig up
>dirt about a few miscreants who happen to use Macs.
After taking a severe blow to the head Joe seems to have forgotten
that I am opposed to any computers being used in grade school
education and pretends that its all about Apple.
--
"I have had lots of viruses on my Mac..."
Jim Polaski
"I guess you're not ...a liar"
Joe Ragosta
Mayor of R'lyeh
<jpol...@NOSPMync.net> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
LOL! The fact that Joe's little 'Me Too!' posted that makes it even
funnier than it normally would be.
Belphegor
Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
>
> After taking a severe blow to the head Joe seems to have forgotten
> that I am opposed to any computers being used in grade school
> education and pretends that its all about Apple.
It seems like Edwin missed that point too, he naively thought that
yours was strictly an 'anti-Apple' post :(
It must be tough being so mis-understood :)
But I am glad to see zara got your point and NashtOn is just waiting to
agree!
Mayor of R'lyeh
bless us with the following wisdom:
>
>zara wrote:
>>
>> Most Mac users are miscreants.
>
>yep, and proud of it... :)
At least until they get around to looking up 'miscreants'. 8)
Mike Dee
news:1127415670....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
> Secondly, what is your point? is the link supposed to show the
> dangers of technology in schools or the dangers of Macs in
> particular?
Mayor, for somebody who claims he does not "live out in the middle of
nowhere where you've got nothing to do but watch the dust devils swirl
outside your trailer" but lives "in an area where we're both busy and
prosperous"... Manages to devote an enormous amount of his "spare" time
tracking down any publication that is vaguely anti-Mac and publishing a
"cuss n discuss" link to an on-line reference to it (the high point of
his contribution and argument in discussion about the topic, I add).
--
dee
"At any point in our history, we've had competitors who were better at
doing something" - B Gates, Sept 2005.
Jim Polaski
You and eddilost, the Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum of this NG, are
funnier.
Edwin
Prove it.
Edwin
Belphegor wrote:
> Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > After taking a severe blow to the head Joe seems to have forgotten
> > that I am opposed to any computers being used in grade school
> > education and pretends that its all about Apple.
>
> It seems like Edwin missed that point too, he naively thought that
> yours was strictly an 'anti-Apple' post :(
Your mind-reading act is a complete failure.
> It must be tough being so mis-understood :)
"Misunderstood" is spelled without a hyphen. You're welcome.
> But I am glad to see zara got your point and NashtOn is just waiting to
> agree!
Sure, they too believe Joe took a severe blow to his head. ;-)
Mayor of R'lyeh
>> >a fine pair‹Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.
>>
>> LOL! The fact that Joe's little 'Me Too!' posted that makes it even
>> funnier than it normally would be.
>
>You and eddilost, the Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum of this NG, are
>funnier.
Please, Jimbob. Edwin and I are nowhere near the 'couple' you and Joe
are. No one has ever doubted that we are two seperate people like some
did with you and Joe for instance.
Mayor of R'lyeh
chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>In article <1127419387.3...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> > The fact that the admin gave out the admin password makes the Macs
>> > insecure?
>>
>> Macs are not inherently secure, no matter what excuse you create for
>> their security breeches.
>
>You really are dense.
>
>NOTHING is secure if you give away the keys. NOTHING.
>
>That has nothing to do with the security of the platform. In fact, it's
>interesting that hackers are breaking into Windows boxes by the millions
>WITHOUT having admin rights, but the only way for hackers to break into
>Macs is to be given the key.
>
>Somehow, you think that's a bad thing.
They were given the key one time. They broke in at least three times.
>
>>
>> > Yet at the same time, you pretend that the thousands of
>> > security holes in Windows are the users' fault?
>>
>> Point out where I did that, above, or ever.
>
>Over and over again.
Once again we see the Maccie belief that screaming 'Microsoft' makes
all of Apple's problems disappear in a puff of smoke put into action.
TravelinMan
Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
Why is that surprising? Is Windows really so bad that it surprises you
for an OS to work the way it's supposed to three times in a row?
>
> >
> >>
> >> > Yet at the same time, you pretend that the thousands of
> >> > security holes in Windows are the users' fault?
> >>
> >> Point out where I did that, above, or ever.
> >
> >Over and over again.
>
> Once again we see the Maccie belief that screaming 'Microsoft' makes
> all of Apple's problems disappear in a puff of smoke put into action.
That's not even close to what I said.
But, then, no one expects honesty from you.
Mayor of R'lyeh
You're the one claiming they needed to be given the key to get into a
Mac. They got into them at least twice all on their own.
> Is Windows really so bad that it surprises you
>for an OS to work the way it's supposed to three times in a row?
See below.
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > Yet at the same time, you pretend that the thousands of
>> >> > security holes in Windows are the users' fault?
>> >>
>> >> Point out where I did that, above, or ever.
>> >
>> >Over and over again.
>>
>> Once again we see the Maccie belief that screaming 'Microsoft' makes
>> all of Apple's problems disappear in a puff of smoke put into action.
>
>That's not even close to what I said.
>
>But, then, no one expects honesty from you.
Says the second biggest liar (behind your girlfriend Polaski) in this
group. Right above you mention Microsoft in an attempt to wave off
attention from an Apple problem.
Jim Lee Jr.
Projecting your repressed homosexual jealousy onto others?
--
Microsoft and Windoze: The combination that made computing dangerous.
Apple and OS X: The combination that made computing insanely great.
Jim Lee Jr.
Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please, Jimbob. Edwin and I are nowhere near the 'couple' you and Joe
> are. No one has ever doubted that we are two separate people like some
> did with you and Joe for instance.
Projecting you repressed homosexual jealousy onto others again, Mayor?
Mayor of R'lyeh
<peejs...@insightbb.com> chose to bless us with the following
wisdom:
>In article <7ta8j1hpe62ms4l1f...@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Says the second biggest liar (behind your girlfriend Polaski) in this
>> group. Right above you mention Microsoft in an attempt to wave off
>> attention from an Apple problem.
>
>Projecting your repressed homosexual jealousy onto others?
Do you imagine that everyone is just like you? I ask for information
only.
Mayor of R'lyeh
<peejs...@insightbb.com> chose to bless us with the following
wisdom:
>In article <5p88j1hf7ajgnbquk...@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please, Jimbob. Edwin and I are nowhere near the 'couple' you and Joe
>> are. No one has ever doubted that we are two separate people like some
>> did with you and Joe for instance.
>
>Projecting you repressed homosexual jealousy onto others again, Mayor?
Why do you think that I'm just like you?
TravelinMan
Using the same key that they were given.
So, again I have to ask: why are you surprised that logging in with the
correct key worked 3 times in a row? We Mac users take that for granted.
Is Windows really so bad that you can't believe that it will work even 3
times?
>
> > Is Windows really so bad that it surprises you
> >for an OS to work the way it's supposed to three times in a row?
>
> See below.
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> > Yet at the same time, you pretend that the thousands of
> >> >> > security holes in Windows are the users' fault?
> >> >>
> >> >> Point out where I did that, above, or ever.
> >> >
> >> >Over and over again.
> >>
> >> Once again we see the Maccie belief that screaming 'Microsoft' makes
> >> all of Apple's problems disappear in a puff of smoke put into action.
> >
> >That's not even close to what I said.
> >
> >But, then, no one expects honesty from you.
>
> Says the second biggest liar (behind your girlfriend Polaski) in this
> group. Right above you mention Microsoft in an attempt to wave off
> attention from an Apple problem.
No, I didn't. I asked why Edwin as all over Apple for something that
wasn't Apple's problem while he's ignoring the known thousands of
Windows problems.
Since there was no Apple problem, I couldn't be attempting to wave off
attention from it.
But I'm sure you're not bright enough to understand that.
Mayor of R'lyeh
No.
"One of the students learned how to merge the users in a way that gave
him administrative access without the need for the password."
That's two.
"For some students the computer department had changed their password
and these kids were no longer able to control their laptops like their
friends did. This set up a competitive situation where the kids who no
longer had access to the password were motivated by the circumstances
to find the new password. And the new password was not secure either."
That's three
>
>So, again I have to ask: why are you surprised that logging in with the
>correct key worked 3 times in a row?
No one is. Why didn't you read the article before you commented on it?
> We Mac users take that for granted.
>Is Windows really so bad that you can't believe that it will work even 3
>times?
Is the Mac so bad that you need to attempt to draw attention away from
it incessantly scream 'Microsoft!'
>>
>> > Is Windows really so bad that it surprises you
>> >for an OS to work the way it's supposed to three times in a row?
>>
>> See below.
>>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Yet at the same time, you pretend that the thousands of
>> >> >> > security holes in Windows are the users' fault?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Point out where I did that, above, or ever.
>> >> >
>> >> >Over and over again.
>> >>
>> >> Once again we see the Maccie belief that screaming 'Microsoft' makes
>> >> all of Apple's problems disappear in a puff of smoke put into action.
>> >
>> >That's not even close to what I said.
>> >
>> >But, then, no one expects honesty from you.
>>
>> Says the second biggest liar (behind your girlfriend Polaski) in this
>> group. Right above you mention Microsoft in an attempt to wave off
>> attention from an Apple problem.
>
>No, I didn't. I asked why Edwin as all over Apple for something that
>wasn't Apple's problem while he's ignoring the known thousands of
>Windows problems.
So kids being able to break into Apple computers has nothing to do
with Apple?
>
>Since there was no Apple problem, I couldn't be attempting to wave off
>attention from it.
Do the blinders you wear come in other colors?
>
>But I'm sure you're not bright enough to understand that.
Says the 'businessman' who has yet to be correct on any business
matter.
TravelinMan
Not enough detail to be meaningful. The way it reads, he may have
elevated his own user status to admin or root so that when they changed
the password he could still get in with his own password.
>
> That's two.
>
> "For some students the computer department had changed their password
> and these kids were no longer able to control their laptops like their
> friends did. This set up a competitive situation where the kids who no
> longer had access to the password were motivated by the circumstances
> to find the new password. And the new password was not secure either."
>
> That's three
So the fact that the admins chose a password that the students could
guess is a Mac problem?
You're really grasping.
zara
"TravelinMan" <Now...@spamfree.com> wrote in message
news:Nowhere-464F5C...@news1.west.earthlink.net...
Yeah, and you're gasping.
Jim Polaski
TravelinMan <Now...@spamfree.com> wrote:
> In article <6rh8j1lg63e212vr9...@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
vast snippage of mayor drivel
> >
> > "One of the students learned how to merge the users in a way that gave
> > him administrative access without the need for the password."
>
> Not enough detail to be meaningful. The way it reads, he may have
> elevated his own user status to admin or root so that when they changed
> the password he could still get in with his own password.
>
> >
> > That's two.
> >
> > "For some students the computer department had changed their password
> > and these kids were no longer able to control their laptops like their
> > friends did. This set up a competitive situation where the kids who no
> > longer had access to the password were motivated by the circumstances
> > to find the new password. And the new password was not secure either."
> >
> > That's three
>
> So the fact that the admins chose a password that the students could
> guess is a Mac problem?
>
> You're really grasping.
He's not grasping, it's the mental midget in him coming out.
Mayor of R'lyeh
<jpol...@NOSPMync.net> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
Once again Jim draws deeply upon his intellect and comes up with 'Me
too, Joe! Me too!'.
Mayor of R'lyeh
How he did it isn't quite so important as the fact that he was able to
compromise the machine. But since its a Mac your fragile ego needs to
downplay that.
>
>>
>> That's two.
>>
>> "For some students the computer department had changed their password
>> and these kids were no longer able to control their laptops like their
>> friends did. This set up a competitive situation where the kids who no
>> longer had access to the password were motivated by the circumstances
>> to find the new password. And the new password was not secure either."
>>
>> That's three
>
>So the fact that the admins chose a password that the students could
>guess is a Mac problem?
You're the one that simply had to turn this into a Mac vs PC thing.
>
>You're really grasping.
No you are in your denial of a report of Mac security being
compromised.
Travelinman
For all we know, he got the password somewhere. Unless you can point to
a real security flaw, your argument fails.
>
> >
> >>
> >> That's two.
> >>
> >> "For some students the computer department had changed their password
> >> and these kids were no longer able to control their laptops like their
> >> friends did. This set up a competitive situation where the kids who no
> >> longer had access to the password were motivated by the circumstances
> >> to find the new password. And the new password was not secure either."
> >>
> >> That's three
> >
> >So the fact that the admins chose a password that the students could
> >guess is a Mac problem?
>
> You're the one that simply had to turn this into a Mac vs PC thing.
Actually, no. It has always been a Mac vs. PC thing. Or have you
forgotten how to read news group headers?
The fact is simple - there are STILL no examples of OS X being
compromised by a virus or malware vs. zillions of examples of Windows
being compromised.
>
> >
> >You're really grasping.
>
> No you are in your denial of a report of Mac security being
> compromised.
Sorry, but a guy who gets the password from the admin and then does
something bad isn't an example of flawed computer security.
Nor is a guy who guesses the password an example of flawed computer
security.
zara
"Travelinman" <now...@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:nowhere-5497ED...@news.central.cox.net...
snip
>
> The fact is simple - there are STILL no examples of OS X being
> compromised by a virus or malware vs. zillions of examples of Windows
> being compromised.
Aren't you the "Brain" who claimed on this group that "Macs caught viruses
from windows files". Or is that statement invalid to todays arguement??
PS - use your small pea brain and snip all the pages previous responsed - we
shouldn't have to read several pages just to get to your idiotic responses.
Travelinman
"zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
I never made that statement.
You're confused, as usual.
Mayor of R'lyeh
It says right in the article that they were able to unscramble the
password file. Funny how you keep missing that.
>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> That's two.
>> >>
>> >> "For some students the computer department had changed their password
>> >> and these kids were no longer able to control their laptops like their
>> >> friends did. This set up a competitive situation where the kids who no
>> >> longer had access to the password were motivated by the circumstances
>> >> to find the new password. And the new password was not secure either."
>> >>
>> >> That's three
>> >
>> >So the fact that the admins chose a password that the students could
>> >guess is a Mac problem?
>>
>> You're the one that simply had to turn this into a Mac vs PC thing.
>
>Actually, no. It has always been a Mac vs. PC thing. Or have you
>forgotten how to read news group headers?
So that means everything that gets posted in here is automatically Mac
vs PC? What about all of the political threads where Macs or PCs don't
even get mentioned?
>
>The fact is simple - there are STILL no examples of OS X being
>compromised by a virus or malware vs. zillions of examples of Windows
>being compromised.
LOL! Of course that's true with your outlook. You've got a fine
example of Macs being compromised right in front of you but you
dismiss it with a wave of your hand and pretend that it never
happened. I could do the same thing with Windows if I was as firmly
ensconced behind an RDF as you are.
>
>>
>> >
>> >You're really grasping.
>>
>> No you are in your denial of a report of Mac security being
>> compromised.
>
>Sorry, but a guy who gets the password from the admin and then does
>something bad isn't an example of flawed computer security.\
But when they get the password by unscrambling the password file it
is.
>
>Nor is a guy who guesses the password an example of flawed computer
>security.
See above.
zara
Yeah-
you made that statement - you're the one thats confused.
Tim Smith
Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >For all we know, he got the password somewhere. Unless you can point to
> >a real security flaw, your argument fails.
>
> It says right in the article that they were able to unscramble the
> password file. Funny how you keep missing that.
No it doesn't. What it says is this:
The kids deduced, that in order for their laptop to recognize a
password, it must be stored on their laptop. The password file was
quickly discovered. Almost all passwords are encrypted. And, it
didn't take long for them to find a program on the internet that
would interpret the password.
The most likely thing that is talking about is a password cracker
program, like John The Ripper, which does a brute-force search for the
password, taking advantage of the various ways people choose bad
passwords (and the school district appears here to be very bad indeed at
choosing passwords).
The school district was operating under a dumb assumption: that the
computers could be secured against people with physical access to the
machine. Even without cracking the password, there are ways the kids
could get in. They could use an install CD to reset the password, for
example. All that would take is for one of the kids to know someone who
actually owns an iBook and will loan them the CD.
I haven't tried it, but I bet they could also get in by booting from a
PPC Linux live CD. Linux can handle HFS+ filesystems, so such a live CD
would allow diddling files on the iBook.
The only real advantage to finding the password, as opposed to reseting
it, is that reseting it would make it so the school district would not
be able to get in, and that might tip them off that the machine had been
fooled around with.
The right way to run a program like this is to not even try to secure
the machines from the students. If the students want to put chat
programs on them, let them.
--
--Tim Smith
Patrick Nihill
They could have modified the Open Firmware of the Macs to require a
password to change the boot device. This wouldn't have made comprimising
the machines impossible, but it might well have pushed the
knowledge/effort required above that of the students.
Of course, if you don't have good passwords, you don't have anything.
zara
"Tim Smith" <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
news:reply_in_group-74F...@news1.east.earthlink.net...
> In article <v75bj1dresvu5fj65...@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >For all we know, he got the password somewhere. Unless you can point to
>> >a real security flaw, your argument fails.
>>
>
> the machines from the students. If the students want to put chat
> programs on them, let them.
Yes - like putting the Fox in charge of the Henhouse.
Travelinman
"zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Travelinman" <now...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:nowhere-1C60B7...@news.central.cox.net...
> > In article <H%bZe.2660$0c3....@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
> > "zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Travelinman" <now...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >> news:nowhere-5497ED...@news.central.cox.net...
> >> >
> >> > The fact is simple - there are STILL no examples of OS X being
> >> > compromised by a virus or malware vs. zillions of examples of Windows
> >> > being compromised.
> >>
> >> Aren't you the "Brain" who claimed on this group that "Macs caught
> >> viruses
> >> from windows files". Or is that statement invalid to todays arguement??
> >
> > I never made that statement.
> >
> > You're confused, as usual.
>
> Yeah-
> you made that statement - you're the one thats confused.
Then why don't you find a reference?
Travelinman
Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:27:08 -0500, Travelinman <now...@nospam.net>
> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >In article <t55aj1la8jut8qul6...@4ax.com>,
> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:54:35 GMT, TravelinMan <Now...@spamfree.com>
> >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
> >>
> >> >In article <6rh8j1lg63e212vr9...@4ax.com>,
> >> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:11:25 GMT, TravelinMan <Now...@spamfree.com>
> >> >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You're the one claiming they needed to be given the key to get into
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> Mac. They got into them at least twice all on their own.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Using the same key that they were given.
> >> >>
> >> >> No.
> >> >>
> >> >> "One of the students learned how to merge the users in a way that gave
> >> >> him administrative access without the need for the password."
> >> >
> >> >Not enough detail to be meaningful. The way it reads, he may have
> >> >elevated his own user status to admin or root so that when they changed
> >> >the password he could still get in with his own password.
> >>
> >> How he did it isn't quite so important as the fact that he was able to
> >> compromise the machine. But since its a Mac your fragile ego needs to
> >> downplay that.
> >
> >For all we know, he got the password somewhere. Unless you can point to
> >a real security flaw, your argument fails.
>
> It says right in the article that they were able to unscramble the
> password file. Funny how you keep missing that.
>
That's not what it says. The quote that YOU provided says:
> >> >>
> >> >> "One of the students learned how to merge the users in a way that gave
> >> >> him administrative access without the need for the password."
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> That's two.
> >> >>
> >> >> "For some students the computer department had changed their password
> >> >> and these kids were no longer able to control their laptops like their
> >> >> friends did. This set up a competitive situation where the kids who no
> >> >> longer had access to the password were motivated by the circumstances
> >> >> to find the new password. And the new password was not secure either."
> >> >>
> >> >> That's three
> >> >
> >> >So the fact that the admins chose a password that the students could
> >> >guess is a Mac problem?
> >>
> >> You're the one that simply had to turn this into a Mac vs PC thing.
> >
> >Actually, no. It has always been a Mac vs. PC thing. Or have you
> >forgotten how to read news group headers?
>
> So that means everything that gets posted in here is automatically Mac
> vs PC? What about all of the political threads where Macs or PCs don't
> even get mentioned?
Your inability to follow a thread is noted.
Hint: this is a thread about computers in a Mac advocacy group. It is
NOT a political thread. See if you can figure it out.
>
> >
> >The fact is simple - there are STILL no examples of OS X being
> >compromised by a virus or malware vs. zillions of examples of Windows
> >being compromised.
>
> LOL! Of course that's true with your outlook. You've got a fine
> example of Macs being compromised right in front of you but you
> dismiss it with a wave of your hand and pretend that it never
> happened. I could do the same thing with Windows if I was as firmly
> ensconced behind an RDF as you are.
Two of the examples were due to password security issues (the first was
a case where they gave the user the password and the third was one where
the password was easy to guess). The other situation doesn't have enough
detail to figure out what happened.
So where's the Mac security issue?
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >You're really grasping.
> >>
> >> No you are in your denial of a report of Mac security being
> >> compromised.
> >
> >Sorry, but a guy who gets the password from the admin and then does
> >something bad isn't an example of flawed computer security.\
>
> But when they get the password by unscrambling the password file it
> is.
That's not what the article says.
zara
Because I'm not a fool like you - I have no intention to browse through
hundreds of posts to prove a point to someone like you. The fact is, you
made the statement, and you know it.
Travelinman
"zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
I knew you were pretty hopeless, but I thought that even you had heard
of 'searching' for information rather than browsing through hundreds of
posts.
Nonetheless, you're lying. I never said that.
zara
> In article <XIxZe.4970$%H2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> "zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "Travelinman" <now...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:nowhere-CE9A59...@news.central.cox.net...
>> > In article <wQiZe.2615$7l....@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
>> > "zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Travelinman" <now...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:nowhere-1C60B7...@news.central.cox.net...
>> >> > In article <H%bZe.2660$0c3....@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
>> >> > "zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Travelinman" <now...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:nowhere-5497ED...@news.central.cox.net...
>> >
>> hundreds of posts to prove a point to someone like you. The fact is, you
>> made the statement, and you know it.
>
> I knew you were pretty hopeless, but I thought that even you had heard
> of 'searching' for information rather than browsing through hundreds of
> posts.
>
> Nonetheless, you're lying. I never said that.
You are the biggest liar on this group - you did say that.
Belphegor
Edwin wrote:
<snip>
> >
> > It seems like Edwin missed that point too, he naively thought that
> > yours was strictly an 'anti-Apple' post :(
>
> Your mind-reading act is a complete failure.
>
Hmmm... Not sure what that is about, but it was precisely my lack of
psychic talents that led me to request clarification from the mayor,
however your answer ("It's obvious what the problem is with the Macs...
") seemed to indicate that you personally interpreted the mayors post
as entirely to be about Macs. So if there has been a misunderstanding
it is probably to do with the way your post came across.
>
> Sure, they too believe Joe took a severe blow to his head. ;-)
Lately I got a similar impression... but I am in his bad books already
so I won't expand on the issue :D
Travelinman
"zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Travelinman" <now...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:nowhere-DCF2E8...@news.central.cox.net...
> > In article <XIxZe.4970$%H2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> > "zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Travelinman" <now...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >> news:nowhere-CE9A59...@news.central.cox.net...
> >> > In article <wQiZe.2615$7l....@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
> >> > "zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Travelinman" <now...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:nowhere-1C60B7...@news.central.cox.net...
> >> >> > In article <H%bZe.2660$0c3....@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
> >> >> > "zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Travelinman" <now...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:nowhere-5497ED...@news.central.cox.net...
> >> >
> >> Because I'm not a fool like you - I have no intention to browse through
> >> hundreds of posts to prove a point to someone like you. The fact is, you
> >> made the statement, and you know it.
> >
> > I knew you were pretty hopeless, but I thought that even you had heard
> > of 'searching' for information rather than browsing through hundreds of
> > posts.
> >
> > Nonetheless, you're lying. I never said that.
>
> You are the biggest liar on this group - you did say that.
Then why can't you prove it?
Tim Smith
"zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
> > The right way to run a program like this is to not even try to secure
> > the machines from the students. If the students want to put chat
> > programs on them, let them.
>
> Yes - like putting the Fox in charge of the Henhouse.
If you put the fox in charge of the henhouse, you will soon find
yourself without any hens.
That's quite different from the situation with kids and computers. The
computers were issued to run certain software and/or access the net as
part of specific educational activities.
If the kid installs a chat program, or uses the computer to play music,
or uses it for games, that does NOT stop the computer from running the
school's software or doing the other educational activities.
--
--Tim Smith
zara
Prove what??
Travelinman
"zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
I guess Edwin's borrowing your remaining brain cell today.
Autymn D. C.
Autymn D. C.
What's given is given. And computer media are meant to be provisional
and temporary, so "vandalism" is impossible. There are no
inappropriate sites or images if they come with descriptions. I'm glad
that the students found out how to use the Macs, as they were meant to
be used, and cheer their work. I myself learned how to delete
FoolProof in one of my campi's computer labs as I was tired of not
being able to use the Control Panels and to tidy stuff around in
Finder. Also, I wasn't able to use many of my Zip disks. The
administrator put puke-ugly desktop patterns, clock fonts, and even
left a couple of monitors on 640x480! Students looked at those screens
and cursed them for being so old, then left them for the iMacs. After
cleaning the lab's, I put the lovely Bottles picture up (wish OS X had
it), reset the fonts to Techno and Impact, turned on interface sounds
and down the volume, rewrote the date and time to DD:MM:YYYY and
HH.MM.SS (Hmm, I wish Apple gave us PHP dates; then I could write the
whole thing as a string.), and deleted all the rubbish on the desktop.
I noticed that FoolProof let students download to the desktop, but
wouldn't let them trash it; so as they kept downloading messenger
programs, I saw these and their friends pile up which pissed me off.
After I tidied and prettied the Finder on all of the computers, I wrote
a note to users to stop downloading IM programs as they were needless,
weak, and ripped off the better IRC that had always been around. As I
came back to the lab regularly I noticed that the administrator had
found FoolProof deleted and reinstalled it, as well as to put back the
puke-ugly looks in the Finder. So I trashed it again and restored the
Finder. On the third try, he stopped trying to wreck the lab. Anyway,
they and we could use their Zip drives fully and happily thereafter.
They even stopped to use the older computers when I raised the screen
resolution to that of the iMacs, even if their mouses were stiff and
noisy.
-Aut
Down with the law!
Jim Polaski
Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:39:56 GMT, TravelinMan <Now...@spamfree.com>
> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >In article <1127415670....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Belphegor" <hue...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
> >> > http://www.cutusabreak.org/Pages/history.html
> >> >
> >> > Cuss and discuss.
> >>
> >> I am all for 'cussing and discussing', but I find this effort a bit
> >> lacklustre...
> >>
> >> first of all I think this case has been discussed about a month ago,
> >> along with general points about technology in education.
> >>
> >> Secondly, what is your point? is the link supposed to show the dangers
> >> of technology in schools or the dangers of Macs in particular? Are you
> >> concerned about this particular school or the state of education in
> >> general? Are you worried about the level of incompetence shown by the
> >> schools staff or the level of 'delinquency' of the pupils? Or all of
> >> the above?
> >
> >Lacking any legitimate gripes against Apple, Mayor has to try to dig up
> >dirt about a few miscreants who happen to use Macs.
>
> After taking a severe blow to the head Joe seems to have forgotten
> that I am opposed to any computers being used in grade school
> education and pretends that its all about Apple.
Uh-oh, we're back to the writing on shovel backs with coal, candles or
oil lamps and horses/buggies for transportation.
The mayor of nothing and nowhere proves once again why he's nothing and
certainly nowhere.
Mayor of R'lyeh
<jpol...@NOSPMync.net> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
Still angry that every school desk isn't loaded down with a phone to
call the teascher with and a television to watch the class on, Jim
lashes out at people with common sense.
>
>The mayor of nothing and nowhere proves once again why he's nothing and
>certainly nowhere.
And Jim shows us wwhy a full 1/3 of the students in his district are
below average and trending downwards.
TravelinMan
Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:34:35 -0500, Jim Polaski
> <jpol...@NOSPMync.net> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >The mayor of nothing and nowhere proves once again why he's nothing and
> >certainly nowhere.
>
> And Jim shows us wwhy a full 1/3 of the students in his district are
> below average and trending downwards.
Nice going, Mayor. You just managed to fail 3rd grade math.
Edwin
Mike Dee wrote:
> "Belphegor" <hue...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1127415670....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Secondly, what is your point? is the link supposed to show the
> > dangers of technology in schools or the dangers of Macs in
> > particular?
>
> nowhere where you've got nothing to do but watch the dust devils swirl
> outside your trailer" but lives "in an area where we're both busy and
> prosperous"... Manages to devote an enormous amount of his "spare" time
> tracking down any publication that is vaguely anti-Mac and publishing a
> "cuss n discuss" link to an on-line reference to it (the high point of
> his contribution and argument in discussion about the topic, I add).
Where does that put you, one who spends an enormous amount of his time
reading the Mayor's posts and bitching about them?
Jim Polaski
Wnh don't you show us all how technology in the classroom is responsible
for your claim. Go ahead provide a source about my district that lays
such a problem, if it even exists, at the foot of technology. While
you're at it, show us any other school in a similar situation due to
technology and provide a source. Provided that all this isn't too much
for you, but then all I'm expecting is another of your non answers.
TravelinMan
Jim Polaski <jpol...@NOSPMync.net> wrote:
Jim, why are you criticizing him? He just gave your district a
compliment - according to the Mayor, 2/3 of your students are above
average.
zara
"TravelinMan" <Now...@spamfree.com> wrote in message
news:Nowhere-FCB101...@news1.west.earthlink.net...
It figures - 66 is an excellent score to you.
Travelinman
"zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
That's not what I said - as you would know if you bothered learning to
read English.
For the record, though, I don't recall EVER having a single score at 66
or below.
zara
Keep on dancin.
Travelinman
"zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
That would be 'dancing'.
But, then, you've already shown that you understand neither English nor
logic.
Mayor of R'lyeh
If you think having 1/3 of your students failing is a compliment then
you are an easy man to flatter.
Mayor of R'lyeh
chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>In article <eadgj114om2jda4vm...@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:34:35 -0500, Jim Polaski
>> <jpol...@NOSPMync.net> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>
>> >The mayor of nothing and nowhere proves once again why he's nothing and
>> >certainly nowhere.
>>
>> And Jim shows us wwhy a full 1/3 of the students in his district are
>> below average and trending downwards.
>
>Nice going, Mayor. You just managed to fail 3rd grade math.
Lacking the understanding that these things are measured against a
statewide average, Joe makes yet another in a seemingly unending
series of asinine statements.
Mayor of R'lyeh
Here's the thing, Jim. The argument is you claiming that tech improves
education. I never claimed that it made things worse.
So far you've yet to provide any evidence that that including tech
makes things any better.
I've asked you before to provide the test scores for your district for
the five years before and the five years after they implemented their
massive, very expensive tech program. To date the only thing that's
done is make you leave the thread just like I suspect its going to do
this time as wel.
You can scream 'Horse and buggy!' all you want but the simple fact is
that if something isn't doing anything to improve the situation then
it doesn't belong there no matter how many idiots are transfixed by
how shiny and new it is.
zara
But - you got the point, Zero.
Travelinman
Sorry, but 'below average' isn't failing.
How did you get past 3rd grade math?
Travelinman
Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:59:04 GMT, TravelinMan <Now...@spamfree.com>
> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >In article <eadgj114om2jda4vm...@4ax.com>,
> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:34:35 -0500, Jim Polaski
> >> <jpol...@NOSPMync.net> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
> >>
> >
> >> >The mayor of nothing and nowhere proves once again why he's nothing and
> >> >certainly nowhere.
> >>
> >> And Jim shows us wwhy a full 1/3 of the students in his district are
> >> below average and trending downwards.
> >
> >Nice going, Mayor. You just managed to fail 3rd grade math.
>
> Lacking the understanding that these things are measured against a
> statewide average, Joe makes yet another in a seemingly unending
> series of asinine statements.
Even if you accept that, his district must be well above average - and
you're complaining about it.
Travelinman
Except for your statement that only 1/3 of his students are below
average.
zara
> In article <v1hhj11a78p976vbr...@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:57:45 GMT, TravelinMan <Now...@spamfree.com>
>> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>> >In article <jpolaski-1EF866...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
>> > Jim Polaski <jpol...@NOSPMync.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <eadgj114om2jda4vm...@4ax.com>,
>> >> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:34:35 -0500, Jim Polaski
>> >> > <jpol...@NOSPMync.net> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>> >> >
>> >> > >In article <bsq6j15vpuukpp0jn...@4ax.com>,
>> >> > > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:39:56 GMT, TravelinMan
>> >> > >> <Now...@spamfree.com>
>> >> > >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >In article
>> >> > >> ><1127415670....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> > >> > "Belphegor" <hue...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >> Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
>> >> > >> >> > http://www.cutusabreak.org/Pages/history.html
>> >> > >> >> >
>> If you think having 1/3 of your students failing is a compliment then
>> you are an easy man to flatter.
>
> Sorry, but 'below average' isn't failing.
So the world according to you - below average = "good". You know - you're
fifty miles of bad road, Zero.
TravelinMan
"zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
I never said that below average was good. But your assertion that
everyone below average is failing is just plain wrong.
zara
I didn't assert anything.
Edwin
Jim's outlook is hilarious. To him if we don't have Macintoshes,
"we're back to the writing on shovel backs with coal, candles or oil
lamps and horses/buggies for transportation." He can't conceive of
any middle ground between those two positions.
Edwin
You may now explain how pointing out 1/3 of the students are below
average says the remaining 2/3 are above average.
TravelinMan
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
OK. It's possible that 1 student is exactly average. So instead of 2/3
of 100 million students being above average, then 2/3 of 100 million
students MINUS 1 are above average.
I guess math isn't your strong suit, either.
TravelinMan
"zara" <zspo...@aol.com> wrote:
Yes, you did. The part you trimmed out said that 1/3 of the students
were below average. Your response was "you think having 1/3 of your
students failing". That implies that you consider 'below average' to be
failing.