Amazon Top Computer Category Sellers
Tommy the Troll
time of year. So far it has not appeared. Strange? No. In years
past Crapple products were near, or at, the top of their computer gear
list. This year, not so.
Given the fact that Apple's laptop sales are heavily concentrated in
few models with standard colors the showing from HP, Acer and ASUS is
especially impressive. Consider that the Acer AOD250 took 2 out of
the 3 top spots and the only difference is the blue versus black shell
color.
13" Macbook models took #8, #14 and #17. There were no 15" or 17" Mac
models in the rankings. No doubt, those rankings were boosted by the
lack of choice of Apple fanbois as they order their toyz and send
their last dime to Jobs.
As a public service to all at CSMA here is the list as of 12/28/09:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc/ref=pd_ts_pc_nav (list is
dynamic, and will change over time as Amazon updates sales)
1. Acer AOD250-1197 10.1-Inch Blue Netbook
2. ASUS Eee PC Seashell 1005HA-PU17-BK 10.1-Inch Black Netbook
3. Acer AOD250-1842 10.1-Inch Black Netbook
4. Toshiba Mini NB205-N230 10.1-Inch Black Onyx Netbook
5. ASUS Eee PC 1005HA-PU1X-BK 10.1-Inch Black Netbook
6. Acer AOD250-1383 10.1-Inch Ruby Red Netbook
7. ASUS Eee PC Seashell 1005HA-PU17-BU 10.1-Inch Blue Netbook
8. Apple MacBook MC207LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop by Apple
9. Samsung SyncMaster 2333HD HDTV Widescreen LCD Monitor
10. HP 2009M 20-Inch HD LCD Monitor
11. HP Mini 110-1125NR 10.1-Inch Black Netbook
12. Dell Inspiron Mini 1011 10.1-Inch Obsidian Black Netbook
13. Toshiba Satellite L505-S5993 TruBrite 15.6-Inch Grey/Black
14. Apple MacBook Pro MB990LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop by Apple
15. ASUS Eee PC 1005HA-PU1X-BU 10.1-Inch Blue Netbook
16. Acer AOD250-1694 10.1-Inch White Netbook
17. Apple MacBook Pro MB991LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop by Apple
18. ViewSonic VX2433wm 24-inch WideScreen LCD Monitor
19. Acer AOD250-1584 10.1-Inch Blue Netbook
20. Samsung Touch Of Color T260HD 25.5-Inch LCD HDTV Monitor
21. HP Pavilion DV4-1541US 14.1-Inch Espresso Laptop
22. HP Pavilion DV6-1354US 15.6-Inch Black Laptop
23. Acer Aspire AS1410-2497 11.6-Inch Blue Laptop
24. Toshiba Satellite T135-S1310 TruBrite 13.3-Inch Ultrathin Black
Laptop
25. Toshiba Mini NB205-N210 10.1-Inch Black Netbook
-hh
> MACCIES are fond of posting the Amazon top sellers list around this
> Given the fact that Apple's laptop sales are heavily concentrated in
> few models with standard colors the showing from HP, Acer and ASUS is
> especially impressive.
Until that "2% Market Share" is considered, that is.
> Consider that the Acer AOD250 took 2 out of the 3 top spots and
> the only difference is the blue versus black shell color.
Well, that plus that it is a NetBook.
> As a public service to all at CSMA here is the list as of 12/28/09:
Here's the same list, with all of the obvoius non-computer displays
and Netbooks removed.
> 8. Apple MacBook MC207LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop by Apple
>
> 13. Toshiba Satellite L505-S5993 TruBrite 15.6-Inch Grey/Black
>
> 14. Apple MacBook Pro MB990LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop by Apple
>
> 17. Apple MacBook Pro MB991LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop by Apple
>
> 21. HP Pavilion DV4-1541US 14.1-Inch Espresso Laptop
>
> 22. HP Pavilion DV6-1354US 15.6-Inch Black Laptop
>
> 24. Toshiba Satellite T135-S1310 TruBrite 13.3-Inch Ultrathin Black
> Laptop
Looks like congratuations go to HP, Toshiba...oh, and Apple too (with
3 of the top 4 laptops).
-hh
Maurice
"-hh" <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
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Tommy the Troll <tom_elamatearthlinkdotnet> wrote:
> MACCIES are fond of posting the Amazon top sellers list around this
> time of year...
> Given the fact that Apple's laptop sales are heavily concentrated in
> few models with standard colors the showing from HP, Acer and ASUS is
> especially impressive.
Until that "2% Market Share" is considered, that is.
> Consider that the Acer AOD250 took 2 out of the 3 top spots and
> the only difference is the blue versus black shell color.
Well, that plus that it is a NetBook.
Netbooks are laptops just like Mac Air's.
Tim Murray
Wow, thanks for the great list! It runs seven models of cheap, sub-$400 crap,
then jumps to the MacBook. And of all non-netbook units in the top 17, Apple
has three of the ... snicker ... four!
8. Apple MacBook MC207LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop by Apple
13. Toshiba Satellite L505-S5993 TruBrite 15.6-Inch Grey/Black
14. Apple MacBook Pro MB990LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop by Apple
Edwin
"Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote in message
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#1 Gold Medal, won by Acer
#2 Silver Medal, won by Asus
#3 Bronze Medal, won by Acer
#4. Pewter Medal, won by Toshiba
#5 Lead Medal, won by Asus
#6 Glass Medal, won by Acer
#7 Bottle Cap Medal, won by Asus
#8 Wad of Chewed Gum Medal, won by Apple
#14 Dog Turd Medal, won by Apple
#17 Honorary Kick to the Crotch Award, won by Apple.
Tim Murray
Wow. Acer goes for the gold by selling the most of all the cheap crap out
there. What a prize.
Alan Baker
Tommy the Troll <tom_elamatearthlinkdotnet> wrote:
Which (of course, because this is Tommy) is an essentially dishonest
look at things. Apple doesn't sell netbooks, Tommy.
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc/565108/ref=pd_ts_pc_nav>
1. Apple MacBook MC207LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop by Apple
3. Apple MacBook Pro MB990LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop by Apple
4. Apple MacBook Pro MB991LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop by Apple
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc/565098/ref=pd_ts_pc_nav>
1. Apple iMac MB950LL/A 21.5-Inch Desktop by Apple
2. Apple Mac mini MC238LL/A Desktop by Apple
4. Apple Mac mini MC239LL/A Desktop by Apple
7. Apple iMac MB952LL/A 27-Inch Desktop by Apple
8. Apple Mac mini MC408LL/A Snow Leopard Server by Apple
9. Apple iMac MC413LL/A 21.5-Inch Desktop by Apple
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The classification is for "top sellers". Looks like the trend is shifting
away from Apple. Just think, if Apple had a netbook where it might place -
oops, forgot about the Mac Air.
Tim Murray
> MACCIES are fond of posting the Amazon top sellers list around this
> time of year. So far it has not appeared. Strange? No. In years
> past Crapple products were near, or at, the top of their computer gear
> list. This year, not so.
And Tommy is fond of posting selective information to hide the truth that is
so painful to him; to wit, Alan Baker's links to top desktops (Apple at 6 of
10) and top laptops (4 of 10), not to mention the number of days held.
Do you shop for shoes (to replace gunpowder burns) at the same store as zara?
Tim Murray
> The classification is for "top sellers". Looks like the trend is shifting
> away from Apple. Just think, if Apple had a netbook where it might place -
> oops, forgot about the Mac Air.
Of course you are wrong. Amazon treats it as a laptop, where it was
#60-something. If it were treated as a netbook, it may have placed better.
Edwin
IOW, any increase in Apple sales is due to Apple products becoming crappy.
Thanks for the tip.
Tim Murray
>
> "Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote in message
> news:hhb092$vv$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Edwin wrote:
>>>
>>> "Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote"
>>>
>>
>> Wow. Acer goes for the gold by selling the most of all the cheap crap out
>> there. What a prize.
>
> IOW, any increase in Apple sales is due to Apple products becoming crappy.
> Thanks for the tip.
IOW nothing. There is no such extension.
>
> #8 Wad of Chewed Gum Medal, won by Apple
> #14 Dog Turd Medal, won by Apple
> #17 Honorary Kick to the Crotch Award, won by Apple.
Even if you choose to ignore (a) that this list is a mix of product and (b)
Apple was at the top of the laptop and desktop list, it's still a good list.
Once you get beyond the cheap crap, Apple sells well. Thanks for pointing
that out.
Tommy the Troll
wrote:
Hey asshole, netbooks are computers. If you want to define it
narrowly enough apple is #1 and has all the share in Mac computer
sales.
Tommy the Troll
wrote:
Hey asshole, netbooks are computers.
Edwin
> Edwin wrote:
>>
>> "Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote in message
>> news:hhb092$vv$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Edwin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote"
>>>>
>>>> #1 Gold Medal, won by Acer
>>>
>>> Wow. Acer goes for the gold by selling the most of all the cheap crap
>>> out
>>> there. What a prize.
>>
>> IOW, any increase in Apple sales is due to Apple products becoming
>> crappy.
>> Thanks for the tip.
>
> IOW nothing. There is no such extension.
Yes there is. If Acer sells the most because they sell cheap crap then
Apple sales increases are due to Apple products becoming crappier.
You can't have it both ways, more Apple sales meaning good products for
Apple, and more sales for anybody else meaning those others are crap.
>>
>> #8 Wad of Chewed Gum Medal, won by Apple
>> #14 Dog Turd Medal, won by Apple
>> #17 Honorary Kick to the Crotch Award, won by Apple.
>
> Even if you choose to ignore (a) that this list is a mix of product and
> (b)
> Apple was at the top of the laptop and desktop list,
Which you say means selling crappy products.
> it's still a good list.
Because Apple is at the bottom, where they belong!
> Once you get beyond the cheap crap, Apple sells well. Thanks for pointing
> that out.
Thanks for pointing out any increase in Apple sales is a sign of their
products becoming crap.
Tim Murray
Thanks for pointing the little-known fact that netbooks are computers. Of all
the crap computers, Acer sold the most. Of the serious computers, Apple sold
the most. Of all computers, Acer sold the most, but that was never news, as
crap netbooks with a dollar profit have been selling well.
Tim Murray
> Thanks for pointing out any increase in Apple sales is a sign of their
> products becoming crap.
When Apple sells a $400 netbook that falls apart and they make the top of the
list, you will be correct. Until then, you're full of it.
Edwin
> Edwin wrote:
>> Thanks for pointing out any increase in Apple sales is a sign of their
>> products becoming crap.
>
> When Apple sells a $400 netbook that falls apart and they make the top of
> the
> list, you will be correct.
Those aren't the rules you established. Any increase in Apple sales is
due to their products becoming crappier. It would have to mean that if a
cheap product that falls apart is what can make it to the top of the list.
> Until then, you're full of it.
You should make a New Year's Resolution to stop projecting.
Maurice
It is the same size as netbook. It is less powerful than some net books.
It is 6X the price of most netbooks. Yeah - I'm sure under the
classification of netbook they will fly off the shelves. #60! Surprised it
even sells that well. .
Maurice
"Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
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The Mac Air is a netbook. Netbooks are laptops.
Alan Baker
Yup.
But it's pretty irrelevant to say that a company doesn't sell many of a
product that it doesn't make.
Alan Baker
"Maurice" <Mauric...@aol.com> wrote:
That MacBook Air is not a netbook.
Tim Murray
> But it's pretty irrelevant to say that a company doesn't sell many of
> a product that it doesn't make.
That's never been a problem for MuahMan.
Edwin
Apple doesn't sell as many computers as Asus or Acer because they make
computers the way people want them made and Apple doesn't.
Edwin
Right. The MacBook Air (which you'll never own, only give lip service to)
is a toy for snobs, while the netbook is a practical tool for everybody.
Maurice
The Mac Air is a heavy, expensive, slow netbook. It fits the parameters.
It was Apples failed entry into that market.
Maurice
It fits all the parameters. The price is what sunk it.
Alan Baker
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
If that were true, Apple wouldn't be topping the categories it does sell.
Alan Baker
ZnU
"Maurice" <Mauric...@aol.com> wrote:
You may point out other netbooks with 13" screens and Core 2 Duo
processors.
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Steve de Mena
> Tommy the Troll <tom_elamatearthlinkdotnet> wrote:
>> MACCIES are fond of posting the Amazon top sellers list around this
>> Given the fact that Apple's laptop sales are heavily concentrated in
>> few models with standard colors the showing from HP, Acer and ASUS is
>> especially impressive.
>
>
>> Consider that the Acer AOD250 took 2 out of the 3 top spots and
>> the only difference is the blue versus black shell color.
>
Then look at the Notebook list and exclude all netbooks:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc/565108/ref=pd_ts_pc_nav
Steve
Steve de Mena
> Tommy the Troll wrote:
>> MACCIES are fond of posting the Amazon top sellers list around this
>> time of year. So far it has not appeared. Strange? No. In years
>> past Crapple products were near, or at, the top of their computer gear
>> list. This year, not so.
>
> And Tommy is fond of posting selective information to hide the truth that is
> so painful to him; to wit, Alan Baker's links to top desktops (Apple at 6 of
> 10) and top laptops (4 of 10), not to mention the number of days held.
# of days held doesn't seem to be something to boast about. It just
shows how slow the Apple models change versus the rest of the
industry, where SKUs are constantly evolving.
Steve
Alan Baker
It shows that the public still buys the Apple model that hasn't change
over the other manufacturers newer, "improved" models.
Tim Murray
Into models that Amazon customers buy less of.
-hh
> >
> > Well, that plus that it is a NetBook.
>
> Then look at the Notebook list and exclude all netbooks:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc/565108/ref=pd_ts_pc_nav
Thanks for the far more honest look than what Tommy did.
Currently, it shows four (4) Apples within the top 10 (#3 (69), #5
(204), #7 (204), 10 (204)), and FYI, two of them (#5, #7) are 13"
MacBook Pros with different SKUs.
The rest of the Macs are 27 (203), 28 (203), 41 (203), 71 (200), 76
(398).
FYI, the numbers in ( ) are the number of days on Amazon's "Top 100",
however they calculate that. What's pretty interesting about the
market is that with one exception, all of the listed Apple products
have been in this Top 100 for 200+ days.
When looking through the list for comparable Windows laptops, there's
a cluster at 70-71 days (technically longer than the newest top-seller
Mac but IMO not significantly so) and then nothing more until you're
well over 100 days, whereupon the entire Amazon list of Windows
laptops consists of:
#25 (144) - HP Pavilion DV2-1110US 12.1-Inch Entertainment Laptop by
Hewlett-Packard
#29 (129) - Acer Aspire AS1410-8414 11.6-Inch Sapphire Blue Laptop
#46 (793) - Dell D600 Laptop 1.6ghz 40gb DVD/CDRW B Grade
FWIW, this last one is an interesting standout: two full years on
Amazon's Top 100 list! Kind of interesting in how that one particular
model seems to be resistant to the more rapid product SKU rolloever in
the PC marketplace.
-hh
Steve Carroll
> Tim Murray wrote:
> > Tommy the Troll wrote:
> >> MACCIES are fond of posting the Amazon top sellers list around this
> >> time of year. So far it has not appeared. Strange? No. In years
> >> past Crapple products were near, or at, the top of their computer gear
> >> list. This year, not so.
>
> > And Tommy is fond of posting selective information to hide the truth that is
> > so painful to him; to wit, Alan Baker's links to top desktops (Apple at 6 of
> > 10) and top laptops (4 of 10), not to mention the number of days held.
>
> # of days held doesn't seem to be something to boast about.
"I learned how to drink Sterno"
http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=377672
> It just
> shows how slow the Apple models change versus the rest of the
> industry, where SKUs are constantly evolving.
Which, of course, has nothing at all to do with the topic here.
Tim Murray
> ...there's a cluster at 70-71 days...
Look at this hour's list and combining notebook and desktop top ten, there
are oddly six 69 (five Apple) and seven 71 (mixed). There are three 204, all
Apple. That's a kind of weird clustering. Were there a bunch of Apples that
came available on Amazon 69 days ago?
Maurice
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Lets not redefine parameters.
Tim Murray
>>>>> The Mac Air is a netbook. Netbooks are laptops.
>>>>
>>>> That MacBook Air is not a netbook.
>>>
>>> It fits all the parameters. The price is what sunk it.
>>
>> You may point out other netbooks with 13" screens and Core 2 Duo
>> processors.
>
> Lets not redefine parameters.
You said the Air is a netbook, then you were asked to find another netbook
with similar parameters. No redefinition; only a request to find another
sample.
Maurice
Tons out there. All you have to do is look. But none at $1800, so I guess
we can't use that parameter.
Tim Murray
>
> "Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote:
>> Maurice wrote:
>>>>>>> The Mac Air is a netbook. Netbooks are laptops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That MacBook Air is not a netbook.
>>>>>
>>>>> It fits all the parameters. The price is what sunk it.
>>>>
>>>> You may point out other netbooks with 13" screens and Core 2 Duo
>>>> processors.
>>>
>>> Lets not redefine parameters.
>>
>> You said the Air is a netbook, then you were asked to find another netbook
>> with similar parameters. No redefinition; only a request to find another
>> sample.
>>
>
> Tons out there. All you have to do is look. But none at $1800, so I guess
> we can't use that parameter.
>
>
No problem, although it starts at $1500 anyway. The parameters asked for were
screen and processors.
Alan Baker
"Maurice" <Mauric...@aol.com> wrote:
"Tons are out there", but you can't produce one...
Maurice
I feel fatigued now. The changing parameters have tired me.
Steve de Mena
> #46 (793) - Dell D600 Laptop 1.6ghz 40gb DVD/CDRW B Grade
>
> FWIW, this last one is an interesting standout: two full years on
> Amazon's Top 100 list! Kind of interesting in how that one particular
> model seems to be resistant to the more rapid product SKU rolloever in
> the PC marketplace.
>
>
> -hh
It's not a coincidence, that Latitude model D600 was a popular model
amongst businesses and Dell made commitments to keep that model around
longer as many had standardized on it. (D610 also) Dell hasn't made
it in ages so you must be seeing a used/refurb listing.
Steve
Steve de Mena
Huh?
Steve
Maurice
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Yeah, he's good a seizing anything that looks remotely relevant and
presenting it in a few thousand words as his "expert" opinion..
Edwin
Of course it's true!
> Apple wouldn't be topping the categories it does sell.
It's not made untrue by creating arbitrary "categories" for the purpose of
making Apple a "winner." LOL
Alan Baker
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
I didn't make the categories, Edwin, Amazon did. Are you suggesting that
they did so 'for the purpose of making Apple a "winner"'? Seriously?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Edwin
Alan Baker
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
According to you, that means you have no rebuttal.
Tim Murray
>>>>>> But it's pretty irrelevant to say that a company doesn't sell many
>>>>>> of a
>>>>>> product that it doesn't make.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple doesn't sell as many computers as Asus or Acer because they make
>>>>> computers the way people want them made and Apple doesn't.
>>>>
>>>> If that were true,
>>>
>>> Of course it's true!
>>>
>>>> Apple wouldn't be topping the categories it does sell.
>>>
>>> It's not made untrue by creating arbitrary "categories" for the purpose
>>> of making Apple a "winner." LOL
>>
>> I didn't make the categories, Edwin, Amazon did. Are you suggesting that
>> they did so 'for the purpose of making Apple a "winner"'? Seriously?
>
> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Ah, a typical Edwin answer with when faced with a yes or no question.
Edwin
You're wrong, as always.
Edwin
Ah, a typical Tim Murray lie.
Alan Baker
Edwin
It means you can never learn no matter how many times a thing is explained
to you.
Alan Baker
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Funny: that's pretty much what it means when I use it!