LCD displays don't burn in images claim is all bunk, I have learned!
BillW50
monitors. Well let me tell you something. I never ever heard of any
image burn in for either (CRTs used too like 30 years ago). But I had
the freeware Speaking Clock v2.5 installed for a week. And the dark
digital digits left an image on my LCD screen. Just unbelievable! I
tried to take a digital picture of it with my camera, but my camera
can't capture it correctly. This is the best shot I could get. See the
darker blue in the middle (part of Speaking Clocks display and looks
like a mirrored letter "F"). And you can see two of the three digits on
the right. Yes this is a LCD ProView monitor.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9128/20070216113704aadr2.jpg
Here is what the clock looks like:
http://www.soft32.com/Download/Free/Multilingual_Speaking_Clock/4-8502-3.html
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DanS
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My LCD TV manual had warning's about burn-in.
BillW50
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Really? Everything I ever read said CRT don't suffer from burn in. Even
Consumer Reports just claimed the same just recently. Who is the
manufacture of your monitor my I ask? Interesting that someone knows the
real truth.
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Bill
BillW50
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> Even Consumer Reports just claimed the same just recently. Who is the
> manufacture of your monitor my I ask? Interesting that someone knows
> the real truth.
said CRT = said LCD, sorry for the typo
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Bill
kevinkei...@sbcglobal.net
I've seen lcd screens with the DVD Logo burned in them on display at a
TV Store I go to.
Hertz_Donut
"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message
It is what they would *like* you to believe. Although the technology has
gotten better, it is *still* susceptible to burn in. It is inherent in the
technology, and there will never be an LCD panel (or a plasma panel) that
will be burn-in free.
Honu
Noozer
> gotten better, it is *still* susceptible to burn in. It is inherent in
> the technology, and there will never be an LCD panel (or a plasma panel)
> that will be burn-in free.
LCD's don't burn in. Period.
CRT's do burn in as the phosphour ages, brighter pixels aging it faster.
Plasma's DO burn in... no matter what the manufacturers tell you. They're
worse than CRT's.
Falcon
wrote:
>> It is what they would *like* you to believe. Although the technology has
>> gotten better, it is *still* susceptible to burn in. It is inherent in
>> the technology, and there will never be an LCD panel (or a plasma panel)
>> that will be burn-in free.
>
>LCD's don't burn in. Period.
Exactly.
>CRT's do burn in as the phosphour ages, brighter pixels aging it faster.
>
>Plasma's DO burn in... no matter what the manufacturers tell you. They're
>worse than CRT's.
Exactly.
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Ciao,
Falcon
Hertz_Donut
"Noozer" <dont...@me.here> wrote in message
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>> It is what they would *like* you to believe. Although the technology has
>> gotten better, it is *still* susceptible to burn in. It is inherent in
>> the technology, and there will never be an LCD panel (or a plasma panel)
>> that will be burn-in free.
>
> LCD's don't burn in. Period.
>
> CRT's do burn in as the phosphour ages, brighter pixels aging it faster.
>
LCD's *DO* burn in. It is inherent in the technology, just as it is in CRT.
*ANY* pixel/phosphor based technology will burn in. The colored dyes in the
LCD degrade and *burn-in*. Get over it.
> Plasma's DO burn in... no matter what the manufacturers tell you. They're
> worse than CRT's.
>
Honu
Hertz_Donut
"Falcon" <Falco...@verizzon.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:18:43 -0700, "Noozer" <dont...@me.here>
> wrote:
>
>>> It is what they would *like* you to believe. Although the technology
>>> has
>>> gotten better, it is *still* susceptible to burn in. It is inherent in
>>> the technology, and there will never be an LCD panel (or a plasma panel)
>>> that will be burn-in free.
>>
>>LCD's don't burn in. Period.
>
> Exactly
Another uneducated troll.
>
>>CRT's do burn in as the phosphour ages, brighter pixels aging it faster.
>>
>>Plasma's DO burn in... no matter what the manufacturers tell you. They're
>>worse than CRT's.
>
> Exactly.
>
> --
> Ciao,
> Falcon
*PLONK*
Honu
Falcon
wrote:
>
>"Falcon" <Falco...@verizzon.com> wrote in message
>news:bpdft215ns8ted2qo...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:18:43 -0700, "Noozer" <dont...@me.here>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> It is what they would *like* you to believe. Although the technology
>>>> has
>>>> gotten better, it is *still* susceptible to burn in. It is inherent in
>>>> the technology, and there will never be an LCD panel (or a plasma panel)
>>>> that will be burn-in free.
>>>
>>>LCD's don't burn in. Period.
>>
>> Exactly
>
>Another uneducated troll.
Give it up, you are out of your ability to reason and have shown
yourself as an un-educated one.
>>>CRT's do burn in as the phosphour ages, brighter pixels aging it faster.
>>>
>>>Plasma's DO burn in... no matter what the manufacturers tell you. They're
>>>worse than CRT's.
>>
>> Exactly.
>
>*PLONK*
Yes, always good to run away from facts and pretend you are right.
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Ciao,
Falcon
Hertz_Donut
Sigh....
http://compreviews.about.com/od/monitors/a/LCDBurnIn.htm
http://photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00D2ll
http://www.flattvpeople.com/tutorials/lcd-vs-plasma.asp
Honu
Falcon
wrote:
>Sigh....
Big sigh usually comes from those who say *PLONK* but are too
ignorant to do actual research.
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Ciao,
Falcon
Barry Watzman
My PC (with an LCD monitor) is on about 18 hours per day, 7 days per
week. The Windows task bar is in a fixed location at the bottom of the
screen. There is no burn-in (I can move it to the side to verify that).
Also, look at LCD panels used in information display applications
(arrival / departure displays at airports). They have no burn-in if
they are LCD based (plasma and CRT based displays DO have burn-in).
Look at your liquid crystal wrist-watch. Do the segments of the digits
show "burn in"?
CRTs burn-in; plasma burns in. LCDs do not burn in. Think about the
technology ... you have an electrode deposited on two glass surfaces
with a liquid between them. The liquid is free to circulate over the
entire surface of the screen .... it's not divided into pixel-size
individual compartments. So tell me, what, exactly, is the mechanism by
which burn-in occurs?
Barry Watzman
The color is produced by a thin layer of colored filter material applied
over the glass. Essentially, the panel itself is monochrome, with tiny
color filters over what would otherwise be a white panel to produce the
color.
Hertz_Donut
similar in nature to the dyes used in photographic laminate processes. They
do degrade over time, and it is susceptible to "burning" or pixel shifting.
Honu
Honu
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Noozer
"Hertz_Donut" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Falcon" <Falco...@verizzon.com> wrote in message
> news:bpdft215ns8ted2qo...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:18:43 -0700, "Noozer" <dont...@me.here>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> It is what they would *like* you to believe. Although the technology
>>>> has
>>>> gotten better, it is *still* susceptible to burn in. It is inherent in
>>>> the technology, and there will never be an LCD panel (or a plasma
>>>> panel)
>>>> that will be burn-in free.
>>>
>>>LCD's don't burn in. Period.
>>
>> Exactly
>
>
> Another uneducated troll.
Hrm... no reasonable response so you resort to namecalling. Very mature.
Noozer
>>
>> --
>> Ciao,
>> Falcon
>
> Sigh....
>
> http://compreviews.about.com/od/monitors/a/LCDBurnIn.htm
>
> http://photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00D2ll
Two "could maybe sorta be" statements. Has anyone actually SEEN an LCD with
burnin? Where are the photo's?
> http://www.flattvpeople.com/tutorials/lcd-vs-plasma.asp
This clearly says that LCD don't suffer burnin.
Noozer
"peter" <pet...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> The image will disappear with time ...the more action it sees the shorter
> the time you'll se this ghost
> My Plasma Panel warns about burn in but also mentions how to get rid of it
> eventually
You can't get rid of Plasma burn in. You can old burn the negative image in
so the burn in is even - meaning a generally darker/washed out picture
overall.
Noozer
>
> "Noozer" <dont...@me.here> wrote in message
> news:eITz7qvU...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> It is what they would *like* you to believe. Although the technology
>>> has gotten better, it is *still* susceptible to burn in. It is inherent
>>> in the technology, and there will never be an LCD panel (or a plasma
>>> panel) that will be burn-in free.
>>
>> LCD's don't burn in. Period.
>>
>> CRT's do burn in as the phosphour ages, brighter pixels aging it faster.
>>
>
> LCD's *DO* burn in. It is inherent in the technology, just as it is in
> CRT. *ANY* pixel/phosphor based technology will burn in. The colored dyes
> in the LCD degrade and *burn-in*. Get over it.
Bahaha... Dyes? There is no phosphor in LCD. There is no dye in phosphor.
There is nothing to "burn" in.
BillW50
> Two "could maybe sorta be" statements. Has anyone actually SEEN an
> LCD with burnin? Where are the photo's?
>
>> http://www.flattvpeople.com/tutorials/lcd-vs-plasma.asp
>
> This clearly says that LCD don't suffer burnin.
I am the one that has a digital clock image stuck on my LCD screen. You
can see a mirrored "F" and the first two digits from this photo. I only
had it up for a week.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9128/20070216113704aadr2.jpg
The digital camera doesn't show it well. But I can clearly see the
digital digits as 399. Here is the Print Screen of the digital clock on
the desktop.
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7284/20070217154635jf7.jpg
And here is a snap shot of most of the screen from further away.
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/434/20070218033725aazv2.jpg
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Bill
BillW50
> I have to take issue with you.
>
> My PC (with an LCD monitor) is on about 18 hours per day, 7 days per
> week. The Windows task bar is in a fixed location at the bottom of
> the screen. There is no burn-in (I can move it to the side to verify
> that).
> Also, look at LCD panels used in information display applications
> (arrival / departure displays at airports). They have no burn-in if
> they are LCD based (plasma and CRT based displays DO have burn-in).
>
> Look at your liquid crystal wrist-watch. Do the segments of the
> digits show "burn in"?
>
> CRTs burn-in; plasma burns in. LCDs do not burn in. Think about the
> technology ... you have an electrode deposited on two glass surfaces
> with a liquid between them. The liquid is free to circulate over the
> entire surface of the screen .... it's not divided into pixel-size
> individual compartments. So tell me, what, exactly, is the mechanism
> by which burn-in occurs?
I would have said the same as you just did. But I now have a damn
digital clock image on my screen that isn't going away. And it reads
399. And I only had it up for a week. And the monitor was on for about
18 hours a day.
Previously, I never saw anything like this ever happen before. And I
have kept the same image on a LCD for years. But along comes one stupid
digital clock and there the image is stuck there.
Go ahead and download and install the freeware Speaking Clock v2.5
Barry. It won't hurt your screen. lol
http://www.download.com/Multilingual-Speaking-Clock/3000-2350_4-4730300.html
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Hertz_Donut
"Noozer" <dont...@me.here> wrote in message
Then you believe what you want...
Honu
Hertz_Donut
"Noozer" <dont...@me.here> wrote in message
Honu
Lars-Erik Østerud
> LCD's don't burn in. Period.
Wrong. I have a customer at work. They have an HP LCD display (15" I
think). It has a clearly burned-in Windows XP login dialog box on it
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NickM
"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message
There is an effect on some LCD screens that looks like burn-in, particularly
where an image such as for example the Windows task bar is displayed all the
time and where a thin slightly lighter coloured line may appear on some
screen background colours where the border of the task bar was. One of my
laptops experienced this when using the Windows 2000 classic desktop and was
noticed when hiding the task bar. It was slightly more noticeable in a
couple of areas, and less so in others. However, the 'burn-in' or whatever
kind of memory effect it is does fade so it's not visible at all after a few
days of leavng the screen inactive (i.e. - off). I'm not 100% sure what the
cause is, although I have an idea it's possibly related to capacitors in the
supporting circuitry not discharging properly which may or may not be
correct - I'm no electronics expert, but in any event the LCD does seem to
recover OK without permanent effect. I have several other LCD screens, and
none of the others have had this problem.
As my laptop was under warranty, the screen was replaced. The replacement
screen has been in a year now, and has not exhibited the same problem,
however, the screen brightness has always seemed generally less than the
original, which is more about the brightness of the backlight than what's
going on at pixel level in the LCD panel, so although the problem was slight
it does look as if the original panel was faulty.
Nick
Barry Watzman
There have been reports of the filters fading in LCD projection TV sets,
where a light brigher than the sun shines through them for the entire
time that they are on.
But that type of degradation is simply not going to happen on a laptop
or desktop LCD display, where the light intensity is maybe 99% less.
[In the LCD projection display all of the light for the entire 50"
screen passes through the 1" LCD imaging elements.]
Al Pilarcik
>> It is what they would *like* you to believe. Although the
>> technology has gotten better, it is *still* susceptible to burn in. It is
>> inherent in the technology, and there will never be an LCD
>> panel (or a plasma panel) that will be burn-in free.
>
> LCD's don't burn in. Period.
>
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200608/20060816160606296_BN59-00509L-00Eng.pdf
From the Samsung 204BW manual:
"What is Image retention ?
During normal operation of a LCD panel, pixel image retention doesn't occur.
However,
if the same image is displayed for a long time, a slight difference in
electric charge
accumulates between the two electrodes which encase the liquid crystal. This
may
cause the liquid crystal to build up in a certain areas of the display.
Thus, the previous
image is retained when switching to a new video image. All display products,
including
LCD,are subject to image retention. This is not a product defect.
Please follow the suggestions below to protect your LCD from image
retention..."
Please Noozer, call Samsung and have them correct the manual.
Hertz_Donut
happen with my own eyes and have posted links that state the opposite of
what you are claiming.
Honu
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M.I.5¾
"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message
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> Before someone posts that you don't need screen savers for CRT and LCD
> monitors. Well let me tell you something. I never ever heard of any image
> burn in for either (CRTs used too like 30 years ago). But I had the
> freeware Speaking Clock v2.5 installed for a week. And the dark digital
> digits left an image on my LCD screen. Just unbelievable! I tried to take
> a digital picture of it with my camera, but my camera can't capture it
> correctly. This is the best shot I could get. See the darker blue in the
> middle (part of Speaking Clocks display and looks like a mirrored letter
> "F"). And you can see two of the three digits on the right. Yes this is a
> LCD ProView monitor.
>
> http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9128/20070216113704aadr2.jpg
>
> Here is what the clock looks like:
>
> http://www.soft32.com/Download/Free/Multilingual_Speaking_Clock/4-8502-3.html
>
It is true that LCDs don't burn in. However, they do have a sort of memory
effect whereby a static image can remain visible for some time after it is
removed. The effect is reversible, and panel manufacturers have different
methods of speeding up the process (it may depend on the panel). The method
varies from displaying a completely white image to displaying a random noise
pattern.
Good Man
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> Big sigh usually comes from those who say *PLONK* but are too
> ignorant to do actual research.
did you even read the original post?
Richard Bonner
> Before someone posts that you don't need screen savers for CRT and LCD
> monitors. Well let me tell you something. I never ever heard of any
> image burn in for either (CRTs used too like 30 years ago). But I had
> the freeware Speaking Clock v2.5 installed for a week. And the dark
> digital digits left an image on my LCD screen. Just unbelievable!
> --
> Bill
*** I was not aware of burn-in on LCDs, but have always used a screen
blanker for all my systems both CRT and LCD. I figure the less they are
used, the longer the screen life.
I don't like screen savers because I find them distracting and they
still are using up screen life. I have some monitors from the early 1990s
that still give a good, strong picture. Until recently, I used one for
a display advertiser in my business showroom but have now upgraded it to
a newer monitor with better resolution.
Richard Bonner
http://www.chebucto.ca/~ak621/DOS/
Richard Bonner
> I now have a digital clock image on my screen that isn't going away.
> And it reads 399.
> --
> Bill
*** Bill: What clock time is represented by "399" ? Is it 4:39 ? (-:
Richard Bonner
http://www.chebucto.ca/~ak621/DOS/
smlunatick
What I tend to believe is that CRTs and LCDs will not get "burn-ins"
ONLY when the energy power save "feature" is enabled and active. If
anyone "disables" this in XP or if some software "interferrance" in XP
cause this feature to not work, burn-in will occur. That is one
important reason to have a screen saver (at least the "blank" screen)
turned on.
BillW50
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> BillW50 wrote:
>> I now have a digital clock image on my screen that isn't going away.
>> And it reads 399.
>> --
>> Bill
>
> *** Bill: What clock time is represented by "399" ? Is it 4:39 ?
> (-:
Hi Richard! Look at any digital clock with the 7 segments to make up
each digit. The segments that are used the most, leaves more of an image
than the ones that are not used as much. That is why you can see the
segment images that read 3:99.
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Bill
Richard Bonner
> "Richard Bonner" <ak...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
> > BillW50 wrote:
> >> I now have a digital clock image on my screen that isn't going away.
> >> And it reads 399.
> >> --
> >> Bill
> >
> > *** Bill: What clock time is represented by "399" ? Is it 4:39 ?
> > (-:
> Hi Richard! Look at any digital clock with the 7 segments to make up
> each digit. The segments that are used the most, leaves more of an image
> than the ones that are not used as much. That is why you can see the
> segment images that read 3:99.
> --
> Bill
*** Ahh, yes, I get it now. Thanks.
Richard Bonner
http://www.chebucto.ca/~ak621/DOS/