Why Does NO ONE every review Sager???
Mike
Computer Shopper ever reviews a Sager Notebook? Why not? Are they
that bad???
Christopher H. Laco
sites, so why would they waste their time on a non-big name player.
There are exceptions of course, but not many.
Personally, my Sager has been the best laptop I've ever owned (5 so far).
-=Chris
BigK
I don't think it is because they are bad, not big enough company.
I have a Sager, typing on it right now, and I have had mulitple problems
with it, but the company has repaired every one. If you are in the market,
get one through PowerNotebooks.com. THey are the best reseller out there
bar none, IMHO. They will stand behind it even if SAger doesn't. And you
can get Toshiba thorugh them I think so if you don't want to go with SAger.
Jeff Sims
at all.
I got mine through discountlaptops.com. They did a pretty good job as well.
I liked the interface they use.
I was able to pick and choose what components I wanted pretty easily. This
is definently the best laptop I could find for the money.
Here are a few things I don't like about it though.
- I don't like the keyboard. It seems flimsy. However, it does pop off in
one piece pretty easily which is how you access the hard drive
- The fan comes on a lot and is very noisy. This is kind of annoying
- My particular model did not come with a built in RS232 serial port.
However I was able to get a USB to RS232 adapter cable to work. ($40)
- The speakers are not very loud and even with headphones, I can't seem to
get the volume high enough while for instance on a plane.
Over all I have been pretty happy though. I hope I don't have multiple
problems like the buy below here.
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Victor Ell
I have owned Sager laptops for over 7 years and have had great success with
them. The original one is still operating and used by one of my kids.
Sager is made in Tiawan but uses great components; intell processor, ATI
video card, etc. You get a lot for your dollars and they are usually out
front with the latest technology. For example, I just purchase a new laptop
for our firm and it had the new USB 2.0 portage along with firewire. Also
has the newly released "fast" hard drive at 5400 RPM. The reason you rarely
see few reviews is because they don't do much advertising. Their other
product line ProStar does some limited ads, but nothing like Dell or
Gateway. So for this reason you don't see much coverage. I think if you
look and compare component to component with other laptops you will find
they come out on top. As you can tell I really like the value and product
performance.
Good luck....I say give them a try.
Vic
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Keith Ashwood
I think the group has hit the nail on the head with this one. Its all about
the money. You pay enough for the advertising then your get reviewed. Sager
laptops are really made by a company named Clevo. Clevo sells the laptops
to smaller companies like Sager,Prostar,FOSA and Alienware. Alienware being
the most expensive by far. All four of these companies offer the same exact
notebooks. Even though I am officially a dealer of both Prostar and Sager
notebooks, because of our dealings with both companies we felt Prostar
offered the better service to us and our customers. Laptop Magazine
frequently does reviews of Prostar laptops. The latest being the Prostar
5684. The gave it best buy award. Alienware Area 51 laptop was reviewed by
MaxiuimPC and the gave it their "Kick Ass Award". So there are revewis out
there just have to look for them. If you have any questions about any these
notebooks feel free to drop me a line
Ke...@AmericanTechpushers.com
Stromm Sarnac
mada...@email.com says...
> Is it just me or has anyone else ever noticed that no one like CNET or
> Computer Shopper ever reviews a Sager Notebook? Why not? Are they
> that bad???
>
>
Sager's are the same as many Dells, Compaqs, Gateways and others, those
"review" sites don't want to lose their kickbacks when they are honest
and say things like "Why spend the extra money on a Gateway when you can
get the same laptop for lots less from Sager".
Imagine how fast the kickbacks would dry up when they did that.
Stromm Sarnac
@twcny.rr.com says...
> Hi mike
>
> I think the group has hit the nail on the head with this one. Its all about
> the money. You pay enough for the advertising then your get reviewed.
#1 reason why I stopped using Tomshardware years ago.
Emanuel Brown
all the smaller companies - too glowingly for my taste, but at least
you got the specs and some idea.
Emanuel
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Cmax
AnandTech (www.anandtech.com) recently reviewed the Sager NP8886 and
the Hypersonic Sonic Aviator (aka, Alienware Area-51m, Sager NP5660 --
or basically the Clevo 5600D). Links to their reviews are as follows:
Sager NP8886 2.8GHz Pentium 4
http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1775
Hypersonic Sonic Aviator 3.06GHz Pentium 4
http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1765
FYI: PCTorque runs a Sager Forum at
http://www.sagerforums.com
Personally I rather imagine the high end Clevo desktop replacment
units, such as the Sager NP8886 and 8887, or the 5600D are a bit too
advanced for CNET and the like. For example, CNET's Notebook section
has no provision to do a search sorted by Pentium 4 (only 4-M units).
These high end notebooks are well beyond the scope of mainstream
users, and as such, well beyond CNET (or PCMag) "core" readership.
I have the Sonic Aviator 3.06GHz unit. No "unexpected" issues with it.
That is, I bought the beast knowing it was heavy (9 lbs or 4kg) and it
had a low battery life (approx. 90 minutes). Actually, I joke about
the battery being more like a built-in UPS system. Fan noise isn't an
issue with me -- mostly because I enjoy the unit's power too much,
(like scoring in the 7400's range with 3DMark 2001 SE). Besides, I'm
usually too focused on my job to really notice them kicking in. The
keyboard does feel a bit "springy" -- which may well be a good thing
since I've a tendency to pound on keyboards anyway, (this especially
so once I've managed to purge the blood in my caffine system).
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FulanoDeTal
Could you elaborate on "springy" re the keyboard? Is the whole thing
springy, or are you referring to the individual keys? Do they have
extra travel? Which model did you buy? I remember the keys on the
Texas Instruments Travelmate, which had a 4 mm travel. Can't find
anything like it anymore, which is a shame. TIA.
>---
Cmax
By "springy" I meant when banging on the keyboard, you can feel and
hear the springs under the keys uncompress themselve with some vigor.
In other words, they feel very responsive -- unlike the keyboard on my
previous Compaq Presario Pentium 3 unit. That keyboard felt as if I
were tapping on a solid oak table, creating sort of a carpotunnel-like
syndrome in my finger joins. In any event, the Clevo 5600D (et al)
keyboard doesn't travel at all or have any key bounce issues. It is
just that I was use to banging on keys as hard as wood before this
keyboard came along. I need to return to the ways of a touch typist.
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Phoenix AG
It's simple. It's not a big enough company. It's not that they aren't
spending money on advertising, it's that no one has ever heard of them
in a lot of places in the rest of the world.
People like to buy from a company well settled, so that if they have
problems in a couple of years, they at least know that the company is
still going to be there. And companies like Compaq, Dell, IBM,
Toshiba, Sony have been there, operating in almost all the countries
of the world for a long time.
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Cmax
wrote:
Actually, Sager has been in business selling high-end notebooks since
1985. Not bad for a company that mainstream laptop users never heard
of. Of course, mainstream loptop user might not care, or have a need
to know about Sager. For instance, their current line of Clevo-based
systems pretty much blows away anythiing Dell, Compaq, IBM, Sony and
Toshiba has to offer. These are professional high-end systems, and not
something your average Mom & Pop type users really need know about.
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FulanoDeTal
>>Could you elaborate on "springy" re the keyboard? Is the whole thing
>>springy, or are you referring to the individual keys? Do they have
>>extra travel? Which model did you buy? I remember the keys on the
>>Texas Instruments Travelmate, which had a 4 mm travel. Can't find
>>anything like it anymore, which is a shame. TIA.
>>>---
>
>By "springy" I meant when banging on the keyboard, you can feel and
>hear the springs under the keys uncompress themselve with some vigor.
>In other words, they feel very responsive -- unlike the keyboard on my
>previous Compaq Presario Pentium 3 unit. That keyboard felt as if I
>were tapping on a solid oak table, creating sort of a carpotunnel-like
>syndrome in my finger joins. In any event, the Clevo 5600D (et al)
>keyboard doesn't travel at all or have any key bounce issues. It is
>just that I was use to banging on keys as hard as wood before this
>keyboard came along. I need to return to the ways of a touch typist.
Ooh. Thanx for that. I thought maybe you had meant that it was a
cheapo keyboard. Just a further clarification: Do the keys have much
travel? Thanx again in advance.
>---
Erick
http://www.techworthy.com/magazines/laptop/
Mobile Computing Magazine went under.
Erick
http://www.edgeworld.com/notebook
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Alexei Boukirev
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>
> Actually, Sager has been in business selling high-end notebooks since
> 1985. Not bad for a company that mainstream laptop users never heard
> of. Of course, mainstream loptop user might not care, or have a need
> to know about Sager. For instance, their current line of Clevo-based
> systems pretty much blows away anythiing Dell, Compaq, IBM, Sony and
> Toshiba has to offer. These are professional high-end systems, and not
> something your average Mom & Pop type users really need know about.
> ---
They definitely are excellent machines in the category of desktop
replacement, but mainstream means reasonably powerful and not heavy. And
power(speed)/weight ratio is not the strongest side of Sager. I'm typing
that from Compaq 2810T - not the fastest or most powerful overall, but
probably the fastest in its weight class.
When it comes to 'desktop replacements', I'd rather buy a desktop.
Alexei
Phoenix AG
>Actually, Sager has been in business selling high-end notebooks since
>1985. Not bad for a company that mainstream laptop users never heard
>of. Of course, mainstream loptop user might not care, or have a need
>to know about Sager. For instance, their current line of Clevo-based
>systems pretty much blows away anythiing Dell, Compaq, IBM, Sony and
>Toshiba has to offer. These are professional high-end systems, and not
>something your average Mom & Pop type users really need know about.
>---
The argument stands. No one has heard of them in the rest of the
world.
As another poster mentioned, they are quite heavy. As I have never
seen them or seen anyone using them, I'll rely on his words.
If I want a desktop replacement, I'll buy a desktop.
Fortunately, :) I dont need one. I already have 4 computers in my
room.
mada...@email.com
by you all that Sager is definitely worth a try. It will probably be
a few months before I can make the purchase but I will try. If anyone
has bought from www.Powernotebooks.com can you tell me what they mean
by the following:
On our Sale Priced Models, the shaded items may not be changed, but
the un-shaded items may be upgraded or downgraded and other options
may be available.
In the first sentence where it says, "..the shaded items may not be
changed," do they mean "will NOT" be changed instead of "maybe-maybe
not" be changed? Also, the "un-shaded items may be upgraded or
downgraded..." Does that mean if you buy from them you really don't
know what you are getting until it arrives?? I have read from some of
you that you like this company, but I don't think I would like buying
from someone that cannot guarantee for your $$$ what you may or may
not get. Or am I totally misunderstanding them?
Mike
Sachin
I have not bought from them but have configured machines many times to
compare prices. What they mean is that when you go to page for a
certain model, you can either build your own machine from scratch or
choose one of the configurations from the bottom (for example, 5660-C,
5660-S, 5660-V, ...).
If you choose one of the configurations, you go to another screen
where you can further customize the laptop. However, you are not
allowed to change everything when you pick a preconfigured model. So,
you wouldn't be able to change the CPU or type of primary optical
drive (that is fixed for a preconfigured model), but you could change
the amount of RAM.
For the most flexibility, click on the "Build your own" (or something
like that) above the models. On this new screen, you can change
everything (CPU, RAM, ...).
Of course, the configuration that you leave the previous screen with
(when you click on checkout/add to shopping cart) is the one they will
ship to you ;). In the end, the prices are determined by the exact
components you request in your laptop.
Hope this helps,
Sachin.
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BigK
not have a choice of configuration. YOu get what they offer only in that
area. It does not mean they will never change it in the future to a
different one. For exmample with the NP8887 you get a 16.1" display only.
But with the HDD you can get a 40 or a 60 I think.