Ebay'er actually admits to poor packaging!
Robert E. Watts
How refreshing! A person who actually admits to "poorly packed" items !
Actual excerpt from an auction:
Also I'll likely shove in a box w/ little or no padding to save work on my
end as I don't want to work on this more then I do w/ bikes & thus the risk
of arriving truly DOA or damaged is further increased [so if you have
experience w/ these & they have a tendency to break if not carefully
packaged, then please don't bid or buy as I don't want to exchange negative
feedback, but if you want to "chance it" & steal a deal then by all means I
want your business! normally my poorly packed non-bike (I'm a bike pro)
items arrive smashed only about 3% of the time but closer to 15% around the
holidays!)
--
bobwattsŽŠ
EartH
Watts Carburetion Service
Whizzbang Computers
Dan-the K
> EartH
> Watts Carburetion Service
> Whizzbang Computers
I wonder whether he can legally relieve himself of liability for damage
due to poorly packed merchandise.
Dan
myxl55
"Robert E. Watts" <no_...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:765e3$44bd5dba$4275ee90$30...@FUSE.NET...
Tim Knight/CT
Dan-the K wrote:
> Robert E. Watts wrote:
> > Hi Gang !
> >
> > How refreshing!
"refreshing", my ancient grandmothers ass! A guy who invites contempt
is up to something...........
My biggest pet peeve with Ebay sellers is poor packing, and it is
evident that this idiot really doesn't give a rat's ass if he sells or
not. He claims he is a "pro biker".....when he really is merely a
pro-phylactic..........
CT the Abject Hater of Ebay Poor Packers.....
(I even hate the Green Bay Packers!)
Sam Liebling
"Tim Knight/CT" <msgtk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dan-the K wrote:
> > Robert E. Watts wrote:
> > > Hi Gang !
> > >
> > > How refreshing!
>
> "refreshing", my ancient grandmothers ass! A guy who invites contempt
> is up to something...........
>
> My biggest pet peeve with Ebay sellers is poor packing, and it is
> evident that this idiot really doesn't give a rat's ass if he sells or
> not. He claims he is a "pro biker".....when he really is merely a
> pro-phylactic..........
>
As a past seller on eBay I can understand his attitude. It's just not
worth the time and hassle to sell anything for under $100.
All you cheap crackers on eBay who are always looking to get something
for nothing and then whine, bitch and complain about the shipping costs,
or the item being "misrepresented", or payment issues.
Well, fuck it! I'm not goddamn Walmart or Buy.com. Go load up on your
transfat asian plastic junk trinkets there instead.
Now I just throw it away, recycle it, or dump it off at charities.
-Sam
William R. Walsh
> "refreshing", my ancient grandmothers ass! A guy who invites
> contempt is up to something...........
I'd expect much more for my $40 in shipping, too!
(And to think that I've got sitting in the garage (no comments from the
peanut gallery -- and look at the seller's store if you don't know what I am
talking about!) a *perfect* side panel and working PSU for that eMachines
computer.)
> My biggest pet peeve with Ebay sellers is poor packing, and it is
> evident that this idiot really doesn't give a rat's ass if he sells or
> not. He claims he is a "pro biker".....when he really is merely a
> pro-phylactic..........
I just got that Model 65SX today. For those not in the know, it came from an
electronics recycler--one of those "crush/grind/flatten/smelt it up" kind of
places (per their own website)--and was packed perfectly in a custom box.
Their shipping price was well worth it. I'd hazard a guess that unlike most
of the recycling operations around here, these people try to sell the stuff
first before reclaiming (or "destroying" if you prefer) it.
William
William R. Walsh
> As a past seller on eBay I can understand his attitude. It's just not
> worth the time and hassle to sell anything for under $100.
I disagree. One of the most expensive things I ever sold on eBay was
something of a pain to get into the buyer's hands.
That said, I wouldn't want to make a living out of eBay. It's a whole lot of
work to support a lot of sales, and I don't think the effort would be worth
the return.
> All you cheap crackers on eBay who are always looking to get something
> for nothing and then whine, bitch and complain about the shipping costs,
> or the item being "misrepresented", or payment issues.
Uhm, isn't that one of the points of eBay...to find a bargain? To find stuff
that's no longer in the retail channel? (Did you read the name of this
group?)
William the bargain-shopper
William R. Walsh
"Robert E. Watts" <no_...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Gang !
>
> How refreshing! A person who actually admits to "poorly packed" items !
See my posts on the Model 65SX that just came in. I was impressed...the
people who sold it really seem to know what they're doing.
> Also I'll likely shove in a box w/ little or no padding
I wonder how this seller would react to "I'll send you a box with the right
stuff, you just drop it in there and seal it!" That would be very little
effort, I think.
William
Jim Shorney
"William R. Walsh" wrote:
>
> I wonder how this seller would react to "I'll send you a box with the right
> stuff, you just drop it in there and seal it!" That would be very little
> effort, I think.
That's how some of the vintage radio guys do it. From what I hear, it
usually works out pretty well. A proper shipping crate for an R390A
would sure keep a model 95 intact...
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Dr. Anton T. Squeegee
some as Sam Liebling) scribed...
> In article <1153267181.4...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
> "Tim Knight/CT" <msgtk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dan-the K wrote:
> > > Robert E. Watts wrote:
> > > > Hi Gang !
> > > >
> > > > How refreshing!
> >
> > "refreshing", my ancient grandmothers ass! A guy who invites contempt
> > is up to something...........
> >
> > My biggest pet peeve with Ebay sellers is poor packing, and it is
> > evident that this idiot really doesn't give a rat's ass if he sells or
> > not. He claims he is a "pro biker".....when he really is merely a
> > pro-phylactic..........
> >
>
> As a past seller on eBay I can understand his attitude. It's just not
> worth the time and hassle to sell anything for under $100.
<snippety>
As a current seller (and buyer) on Ebay, I could not disagree more.
Then again, it is likely that we have different ideas about how much we
value money.
Let me first say that I would NEVER buy ANYthing from someone with
so cavalier an attitude towards packaging, and I don't care how many
positives they've got in feedback.
I've sold plenty of items for under $100. Heck, some under $50 or
even $25. And, I continue to do so. With small stuff, it's easy and
cheap enough to use USPS.
I don't do it to make a second fortune. I do it because I enjoy it,
and because I like seeing many of the oddball tech goodies I come across
go to people who can either use or appreciate them. The fact that it
makes a good supplement for my day job income is secondary.
> All you cheap crackers on eBay who are always looking to get something
> for nothing and then whine, bitch and complain about the shipping costs,
> or the item being "misrepresented", or payment issues.
Who are the "cheap crackers" you are referring to? Or are you
deliberately trying to offend the group's readers?
> Well, fuck it! I'm not goddamn Walmart or Buy.com. Go load up on your
> transfat asian plastic junk trinkets there instead.
I don't understand why you're getting so upset. I've bought (and
sold) literally hundreds of exotic electronic items on Ebay, with
considerable success. If you don't want to sell there, then don't. No
one is forcing you to.
For my part, I don't shop for, nor do I sell, "transfat asian
plastic junk trinkets," whatever they are.
> Now I just throw it away, recycle it, or dump it off at charities.
That's your choice, and that's fine. I still don't understand what
you're getting so feisty about.
--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR)
http://www.bluefeathertech.com -- kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t calm
"Salvadore Dali's computer has surreal ports..."
Robert E. Watts
Ordinarily, I ignore postings like yours, but this time I'll make an
exception.
"Sam Liebling" <sli...@entrweb.com> wrote in message
> As a past seller on eBay I can understand his attitude. It's just not
> worth the time and hassle to sell anything for under $100.
>
> All you cheap crackers on eBay who are always looking to get something
> for nothing and then whine, bitch and complain about the shipping costs,
> or the item being "misrepresented", or payment issues.
>
> Well, fuck it! I'm not goddamn Walmart or Buy.com. Go load up on your
> transfat asian plastic junk trinkets there instead.
>
> Now I just throw it away, recycle it, or dump it off at charities.
>
> -Sam
Let me try and 'splain this to you Sam.
It_doesn't_matter_ what_the_item_is_or_what_it_costs.
It_doesn't_matter_ what_the_item_is_or_what_it_costs.
Try to remember this, it's very important. This is entirely separate from
the SHIPPING CHARGE ( sometimes SHIPPING and HANDLING charge ).
For the SHIPPING CHARGE, we expect to receive an item that has been properly
HANDLED and PACKAGED. This is what we have paid for.
Whether we are buying IBM PS/2 products, or my own personal favorite,
Mongolian Bottle Caps ( did you ever see the one with Genghis Kahn on the
beach with the bikini babes and the kangaroos? Priceless ! ), the shipping
charge is *supposed* to allow the "item" to arrive ( in a timely fashion)
and intact.
Reasonable, if not careful attention should be taken to insure that the item
is packaged correctly. BECAUSE THIS IS BEING PAID FOR.
Do_you_understand_ this ?
I understand that you "are a past seller on ebay", and it's not too
difficult to figure out why. Apparently your unsuccessful career was cut
short because you failed to grasp a relatively simple concept.
Since I'm bothering to respond to you at all, I'll take this a step further.
Ebay provides a "service", where a seller offers items for sale that are
potentially valueless to the vast majority of inhabitants of this and other
planets. However, occasionally, someone comes along who REALLY wants this
"thing", and wins the item for next to nothing.
Since to THAT person, this items is somewhat to very valuable, and next to
impossible to find, they fully expect the item to arrive intact. Especially
since a lot of items sell for next to nothing, and the seller, knowing this,
charges exorbitant amounts of money for shipping. At this point, *X* number
of dollars for shipping should insure that the item arrive undamaged.
Do_you_understand_ this ?
I personally have actually offered, and actually sent EXTRA money to insure
that my valueless piece of transfat asian plastic junk trinkets arrive
undamaged. Frequently, this makes no difference, as people such as yourself
just throw the transfat asian plastic junk trinkets in a box, and the items
are destroyed. Shame. Because now I have to continue searching for my
transfat asian plastic junk trinkets all over again.
Although I could create letters on the screen for quite a while longer, I
suspect that it wouldn't make any difference to you. You're just posting
messages to get a response, hopefully one filled with expletives and
namecalling, and I just can't sink to that level.
I found out years ago that I always loose arguments when I discuss things
with people such as yourself. You will drag me down to your level, and beat
me with experience.
By the way, what is your former eBay handle ? I'm curious what kind of
transfat asian plastic junk trinkets you actually sold. I might have wanted
some more to add to my present collection.
Thanks for the entertainment Sam, I sincerely appreciate it !
--
bobwattsŽŠ
EartH
Watts Carburetion Service
Whizzbang Computers
Collector of transfat asian plastic junk trinkets
Tim Knight/CT
Robert E. Watts wrote:
> Hello Mr. Liebling !
>
You're just posting
> messages to get a response, hopefully one filled with expletives and
> namecalling, and I just can't sink to that level.
>
C'mon, Bob.......
At least you could have called him "Spewing Sam - The Titan of
Transfat" or something equally esoteric........
CT the Labeller
UZnal
> > for nothing
You must have been a lousy seller, of course you will be looking to get
"something for nothing" to sell it then at not "under $100". Buy cheap, sell
expensive ... go tell that those stupid greedy sellers thinking all buyers
were idiots.
Dan-the K
Robert E. Watts wrote:
> Hello Mr. Liebling !
>
> Ordinarily, I ignore postings like yours, but this time I'll make an
> exception.
>
> "Sam Liebling" <sli...@entrweb.com> wrote in message
>
> > As a past seller on eBay I can understand his attitude. It's just not
> > worth the time and hassle to sell anything for under $100.
> >
>
> Whether we are buying IBM PS/2 products, or my own personal favorite,
> Mongolian Bottle Caps ( did you ever see the one with Genghis Kahn on the
> beach with the bikini babes and the kangaroos? Priceless ! ), the shipping
> charge is *supposed* to allow the "item" to arrive ( in a timely fashion)
> and intact.
>
> bobwatts®©
> EartH
> Watts Carburetion Service
> Whizzbang Computers
> Collector of transfat asian plastic junk trinkets
So, Bob, since you're such a fan of Mongolian bottle caps and Genghis
Kahn (certified ancestor of about 20% (I don't remember the exact
number) of the people now living in Mongolia):
1. can you share pictures of your collection with us? Sounds great.
2. was it Genghis Kahn or Atilla the Hun who invented stirrups?
Whoever it was had a tremendous advantage over other armies whose feet
just went flapping around as they rode in battle. I read this in a
horse book somewhere.
Dan
Tim Knight/CT
Dan-the K wrote:
> 2. was it Genghis Kahn or Atilla the Hun who invented stirrups?
.......you can find a bit of stirrup history here:
http://www.computersmiths.com/chineseinvention/stirrup.htm
..........no mention of those used for pelvic examinations.
By the way, Genghis Khan was the Mongol.......
Genghis Kahn was a Hebrew philosopher..... :-)
CT the Set-Em-Straighter
Robert E. Watts
>
> C'mon, Bob.......
>
> At least you could have called him "Spewing Sam - The Titan of
> Transfat" or something equally esoteric........
Well........yeah..........I could have........ but I decided to give sam the
benefit of the doubt. After all, he could have been off/on his meds that
day. You know how it is when you're faced with a drawer full of pills, and
you can't remember what you're supposed to take. And that silly aluminum
foil hat keeps falling down over your eyes blocking your view of the labels,
which are already difficult enough to see in the 15 watt UV blacklight
chandelier hanging in the basement. And who can think when your favorite CD
of Tibetan Monks live on Stage is blaring in the background. Whew! It's
enough to make anyone throw a nerf dart at the wall, select a ng to post to,
and rant with purpose!
Probably just forgot what ng he was posting to, and really didn't mean his
hateful nasty comments.
I know my feeling was hurt, and I was saving that one.
.....sniff.......
Now Officially Collecting "transfat asian plastic junk trinkets" !!!!!!
Louis Ohland
An excellent resource is:
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
What I would like to know - is the Reynolds non-stick aluminum any
better at deflecting mind control waves than normal aluminum foil?
Dan O
Well, yeah - sort of. I mean, this makes sense and all, but (and I
should probably paste some of the ebay auction text that started all
this in here now before it goes away:
"... Also I'll likely shove in a box w/ little or no padding to save
work on my end as I don't want to work on this more then I do w/ bikes
& thus the risk of arriving truly DOA or damaged is further increased
[so if you have experience w/ these & they have a tendency to break if
not carefully packaged, then please don't bid or buy as I don't want to
exchange negative feedback, but if you want to "chance it" & steal a
deal then by all means I want your business! normally my poorly packed
non-bike (I'm a bike pro) items arrive smashed only about 3% of the
time but closer to 15% around the holidays!)"
... so anyway, the thing about this is that, no, ebay is not about you
paying for shipping and therefor you are entitled to careful packaging.
It's about making a deal. This guy has spelled out his offer pretty
clearly. If you competently and willingly accept this offer, and then
still expect careful packaging, well... I don't know quite what to say.
> I understand that you "are a past seller on ebay", and it's not too
> difficult to figure out why. Apparently your unsuccessful career was cut
> short because you failed to grasp a relatively simple concept.
>
> Since I'm bothering to respond to you at all, I'll take this a step further.
>
> Ebay provides a "service", where a seller offers items for sale that are
> potentially valueless to the vast majority of inhabitants of this and other
> planets. However, occasionally, someone comes along who REALLY wants this
> "thing", and wins the item for next to nothing.
>
ebay's service is market access. It's a beautiful thing, and it cuts
both ways. There are some rules and stuff, sure, but in the final
analysis, it boils down to let's make a deal.
Robert E. Watts
I snipped everything away except the text that you wrote............
"Dan O" <danov...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Well, yeah - sort of. I mean, this makes sense and all, but
> ... so anyway, the thing about this is that, no, ebay is not about you
> paying for shipping and therefor you are entitled to careful packaging.
> It's about making a deal. This guy has spelled out his offer pretty
> clearly. If you competently and willingly accept this offer, and then
> still expect careful packaging, well... I don't know quite what to say.
> ebay's service is market access. It's a beautiful thing, and it cuts
> both ways. There are some rules and stuff, sure, but in the final
> analysis, it boils down to let's make a deal.
Dan, in this particular eBay auction, the seller, as you so clearly point
out, has made it quite obvious that careful packaging is not an option.
I am perfectly OK with this. As a matter of fact, I appreciate the seller
stating this. I have no problem with this whatsoever.
I do however have a problem with ebay auctions where * I * clearly state to
the seller before bidding that * I * do expect careful packaging, am willing
to pay for it, and have been told that I will receive this.
Also, when a shipping charge is obviously quite inflated, let's say $40 to
ship something that really costs $19.60, I expect careful and competent
packaging and handling WITHOUT my having to ask for it.
And once again, the price of the transfat asian plastic junk trinket has
nothing to do with it, in my personal opinion. ( I really like that
transfat asian plastic junk trinket "thing", and intend to use that a lot in
the future. Matter of fact, I did a search on eBay for some, and sadly, none
turned up. ) I consider the cost of "shipping and handling " to be an
entirely separate issue.
ESPECIALLY when discussed and/or negotiated between the buyer and seller
prior to shipping. This is the real point here, please note that carefully.
This is the topic that _this_ thread _morphed _into, as opposed to
the_original _thread _being posted _for_ amusement.
But I absolutely agree with you when considering the auction that started
this thread: careful packaging IS NOT an option for that auction, clearly
stated as such, and should not be expected.
Also, like you stated,
"ebay is not about you
paying for shipping and therefor you are entitled to careful packaging."
, this is also correct. I never stated that Ebay was responsible in any way
for packaging. I'm not sure why you went that direction, it's not relevant.
I would never, nor have I ever, complained about eBay *packaging" anything.
They don't. Ebay is a tool for getting two buyer/sellers together. They have
nothing to do with packaging. As a matter of fact, I want them out of the
picture as soon as possible. Quite frequently, most sellers/buyers seem
unwilling to communicate any way other than through epay. Very aggravating.
I always provide my personal email address, but a lot of "ebay'ers" won't
use it.
bobwatts
Official collector of: transfat asian plastic junk trinkets !
UZnal
> time but closer to 15% around the holidays!)"
This person naively pretends not to know that "they have a tendency to break
if not carefully packaged", a nice case for the insurance. Likewise, a buyer
may pretend not to know if payment has a tendency not to arrive when not
properly addressed.
The answer to these conditions would be to introduce by the buyer a risk
factor of payment arriving "smashed only about 3% of the time but closer to
15% around the holidays!". One can surely apply that to the shipping charges
in the total payment.
The statement of this person is very well constructed to escape liability,
since packaging and shipping is the only direct deal between the seller and
the buyer, not covered by the eebay conditions. The weak point is "I don't
want to work on this", this cannot be an objective reason, same for "by all
means I want your business". Nah, if you want my business you must move your
ass and work some more.