OT-PC Server 330
supervinx
I've been given another PC Server 330 (the third ...), is Xmas time ;-)
It came with a bunch of original CDs
NT Workstation 4.0 with license and SP6a CD, installation floppies.
ServerGuide:
===========
Diskette Factory
Book Factory
CoPilot (Lotus Domino 4.51, Spanish/German/Italian) SMTP/MIME MTA 1.06
Manual
If someone needs some ISO files (or manuals in PDF), whistle as usual !
Russ Blakeman
wrote:
I have two of them both with dual processors and memory maxed, both
running W2k Server so I don't have need of the items you have, just
wanted to make sure you know they are capable of much more than NT WS
4 and perform rather well with more. I had XP SP2 on one of them for a
bit and it ran ok too, just had a problem locating a suitable driver
(video I think, may have been the integrated NIC). I'm taking one down
soon to try Ubuntu Server on it someday soon then if it works ok the
other will go Ubuntu Server as well. Right now one is running my
website and mail server
supervinx
The 330 that came with NT CDs has W2K server installed ;-)
The other Dual PII 233 has Ubuntu LAMP.
The 330 Dual PPro 200 has OS/2...
Russ Blakeman
wrote:
Both of mine are dual PII, sweet machines but heavy SOBs.
Robert E. Watts
"Russ Blakeman" <rh...@windstream.net> wrote in message
>
> Both of mine are dual PII, sweet machines but heavy SOBs.
Russ, I think it would be easier to list IBM Servers ( or computers ) that
ARE NOT heavy SOB's.
Very short list......... can't think of any myself.
:-)
bob
supervinx
"Two people are required to move or lift the server. Therefore
to avoid possible injury while moving or lifting the server,
ask another person to help you."
What else can you say ?
Tim WBST Clarke
"Robert E. Watts" <bobw...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Hmm, it's all a bit too relative, as it usually depends upon the no. of HD.s
installed, but if one considers diskless, but otherwise fully configured,
servers, say for shipping, then the PC Server 320 is about the lightest,
IMHO.
--
Cheers,
Tim Clarke (a,k,a, WBST)
Guildford U.K.
Robert E. Watts
"Tim WBST Clarke" <WBSTC...@google.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hmm, it's all a bit too relative, as it usually depends upon the no. of
> HD.s
> installed, but if one considers diskless, but otherwise fully configured,
> servers, say for shipping, then the PC Server 320 is about the lightest,
> IMHO.
Can't argue with your flawless logic Tim. I have a PC320 in my massive herd
of IBM Servers, and I agree, it's probably the lightest.
But then, as soon as I get my anti-grav thingie working, I won't have to
worry about this stuff anymore.
bob
Rick Ekblaw
> Russ, I think it would be easier to list IBM Servers ( or computers ) that
> ARE NOT heavy SOB's.
> Very short list......... can't think of any myself.
None that I can think of in the "classic" line, either, but if you
consider recent history there's plenty of low-weight items to choose
from in the xSeries line. None of the 1 EIA unit high server machines
are very heavy, and the x3200 is similar in weight to the
Netvista/ThinkCentre desktop workstations.
Rick Ekblaw
supervinx
driver.
Can you imagine its weight ?
Peter H. Wendt
How 'bout the Server 77i ?
Quite handy, desktop / deskside compatible format, takes 3 HS HDs if
equipped with the HS backplane and cage. A rare bird however. In all my
career with IBM servers I have seen and worked with exactly *one*.
(At Unilever in Hamburg ...)
You might see them on Klaxxon on every second corner, but down here on
Earth they are hard to find. Wasn't it the Klaxxon ministry of ballistic
tomato acceleration that ordered the 69 pallettes of Server 77i that IBM
denies to ever have heared from ? Think so.
(At least IBM tore down the entire plant in New Mexico after the
contract ... and there is a tomato field nowadays.)
;-)
--
Peter from Germany
http://www.mcamafia.de
Robert E. Watts
"Peter H. Wendt" <peter...@mcamafia.de> wrote in message
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> Hi Bob !
>
>> "Russ Blakeman" <rh...@windstream.net> wrote in message
>>> Both of mine are dual PII, sweet machines but heavy SOBs.
>>
>> Russ, I think it would be easier to list IBM Servers ( or computers )
>> that ARE NOT heavy SOB's.
>> Very short list......... can't think of any myself.
>
> How 'bout the Server 77i ?
>
How 'bout! the non-existant never to be seen on this planet ( except for you
apparently. :-) IBM Server 77i that I have been searching for forever, and
would gladly trade one of my beloved 9585N's for... ?
> Quite handy, desktop / deskside compatible format, takes 3 HS HDs if
> equipped with the HS backplane and cage. A rare bird however. In all my
> career with IBM servers I have seen and worked with exactly *one*.
> (At Unilever in Hamburg ...)
>
Show off. :-)
Quite possibly, after you saw that machine, it was removed from service,
hidden away, and they simply forgot to "wipe your memory" of the event.
Sometimes "we" miss................
Although........... it's never too late..............
> You might see them on Klaxxon on every second corner, but down here on
> Earth they are hard to find. Wasn't it the Klaxxon ministry of ballistic
> tomato acceleration that ordered the 69 pallettes of Server 77i that IBM
> denies to ever have heared from ? Think so.
>
Er, ahem, that would be KlaXXoN of course. I will never figure out why you
feeble 'humes can't get that 'frackin right!
Also, much like the Altos Nebula, KlaXXoN does not have corners. Five
Dimensional existence means never having to look around things.
And I do not believe that IBM Server 77i's were ever used for anything back
on 'Klax. Voltages were all wrong, as well as the Hz.
And I can only assume that your mention of tomato's is some form of
blasphemy. Those horrid creatures were banned 17.8 million years ago. There
is a couple in the yrotsih museum, but special "permissions" are required
for viewing. But then, I suspect you knew that, else you wouldn't have
broached such a sensitive subject.
> (At least IBM tore down the entire plant in New Mexico after the contract
> ... and there is a tomato field nowadays.)
>
Along with a bread field, lettuce field, and bacon field of course.
( I like to add cheese and Hellmans only, of course ! )
Your turn......
:-)
--
bobwatts
Watts Carburetion Service
WhizzBang Computers
" collector of Asian transfat plastic trinkets ! "
EartH // KlaXXoN
Tim WBST Clarke
"supervinx" <supe...@libero.it> wrote in message
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> My Server 330 Dual PPro has six hot swap HDs, floppy, CDrom, DDS-2 tape
> driver.
> Can you imagine its weight ?
Yes indeedy I can, I "walked" a couple of 7133-500/600 external enclosures
up the 5 or so steps into my previous place, with a downstairs "computer
room" away from all the rest of the apartment, which was up a longish flight
of stairs. Even without HDs, those things are *seriously* heavy with two
redundant PSUs and a full 1/8" sheet steel EMF shield cum chassis,as well as
a steel footplate.
Dr. Jim
> IBM Server 77i that I have been searching for forever, and
> would gladly trade one of my beloved 9585N's for... ?
Y'know, I may have a S-77i around here somewhere...
Robert E. Watts
"Dr. Jim" <jshorney....@inebraska.com> wrote in message
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Well, let's do this:
I'll buy YOUR 85N for a reasonable price, $11 or $100, whichever you think
is more fair, and then trade it to you for your S-77i. THAT way, I don't
have to pack up one of MY 85N's to trade you, and YOU don't have to pack up
YOURS either! It's much easier to pack up and ship a lil ol 77 than a highly
prized, highly sought after, highly collectable, and extremely heavy 85
thing.
If you need a flow chart on that, lemme know.
Dr. Jim
I've discussed it with management and engineering. Engineering thinks
that you should send $111 (they like that number) and I send you the
77i, skipping over the redundant efforts in the middle.
Management wants 27 forms filled out (in quadruplicate), and paperwork
filed with the EPA, NRC, DOT, FBI, CIA, NSA, NASA, AFL/CIO, FCC, FEMA,
DHS, DNC, UAW, Al Gore, and East Anglia University. Pending review by
the Obama administration and the Nobel comittee, they will meet sometime
in the 3rd quarter of 2015 and make a recommendation on doing a
feasibility study on whether or not we should think about accepting your
offer.
Sarah thinks we should just all go moose hunting.
-Jim (I'll have my humes call your humes)
Peter H. Wendt
> "Peter H. Wendt" <peter...@mcamafia.de> wrote in message
> news:NeednRGnh9W-SarW...@westnet.com.au...
>> Hi Bob !
>>
>>> "Russ Blakeman" <rh...@windstream.net> wrote in message
>>>> Both of mine are dual PII, sweet machines but heavy SOBs.
>>> Russ, I think it would be easier to list IBM Servers ( or computers )
>>> that ARE NOT heavy SOB's.
>>> Very short list......... can't think of any myself.
>> How 'bout the Server 77i ?
>>
>
> How 'bout! the non-existant never to be seen on this planet ( except for you
> apparently. :-) IBM Server 77i that I have been searching for forever, and
> would gladly trade one of my beloved 9585N's for... ?
Dr. Jim jumped in here I think.
I could see if I find that IBM brochure again where it was announced
(must be in one of "those" folders I packed away in the moving box in
the back row at the back end of my basement storage ...)
And I must have a TRM addendum (small leaflet) with the P/Ns and some
additional infos. Should be here in my "War Room". I think.
>> Quite handy, desktop / deskside compatible format, takes 3 HS HDs if
>> equipped with the HS backplane and cage. A rare bird however. In all my
>> career with IBM servers I have seen and worked with exactly *one*.
>> (At Unilever in Hamburg ...)
>>
>
> Show off. :-)
> Quite possibly, after you saw that machine, it was removed from service,
> hidden away, and they simply forgot to "wipe your memory" of the event.
> Sometimes "we" miss................
> Although........... it's never too late..............
Err ... dammit. What were we talking about ?
"Do you also have Deja Vu's ?"
"No ... but I can ask in the kitchen ... ?"
>> You might see them on Klaxxon on every second corner, but down here on
>> Earth they are hard to find. Wasn't it the Klaxxon ministry of ballistic
>> tomato acceleration that ordered the 69 pallettes of Server 77i that IBM
>> denies to ever have heared from ? Think so.
>>
>
> Er, ahem, that would be KlaXXoN of course. I will never figure out why you
> feeble 'humes can't get that 'frackin right!
This is easy to explain: the text got passed through my
"Decapitalization Sequencer", which has few rules:
1. All sentences start with a capital letter
2. Names have a leading capital letter
3. Subjects in sentences have a leading capital letter (in German mode
only !)
4. After a dot or double dot the follow-up word starts with a capital
letter (as in numeral lists or after quotations)
5. All else is written in lower case
This helps to get rid of irritating stuff where low-at-mind people use
idiosyntactic mixes of upper and lower case letters to catch attention
for their mental goo.
Does not count for KlaXXoN however. I put that in my "Exception list of
words that have to be written that way and not else". Okay ?
> Also, much like the Altos Nebula, KlaXXoN does not have corners. Five
> Dimensional existence means never having to look around things.
> And I do not believe that IBM Server 77i's were ever used for anything back
> on 'Klax. Voltages were all wrong, as well as the Hz.
That hertz.
But - not much of a problem, since they used the Magnetek (Made In
Italy) universal power supply. Note the designation "Universal" please.
> And I can only assume that your mention of tomato's is some form of
> blasphemy. Those horrid creatures were banned 17.8 million years ago. There
> is a couple in the yrotsih museum, but special "permissions" are required
> for viewing. But then, I suspect you knew that, else you wouldn't have
> broached such a sensitive subject.
17.8 million years ?
Damned. So long ago ?
I thought it was only a mere 25 years ago after the "Red Weed Tomato
Ketchup Incident" where an overheated and therefore leaking boiler
flooded large parts of the KlaXXoN "Center for populistic mind control"
and things got ... hmmm ... "a tad out of control" for a few days.
(Like that annual tomato battle in this town in Spain whose name is just
failing me ...)
Correct me if I am wrong here. I haven't been there. I haven't even been
near. Or would strongly deny having been. And I have never - Never ! -
done any boiler heater operation in all my life. Prooven.
>> (At least IBM tore down the entire plant in New Mexico after the contract
>> ... and there is a tomato field nowadays.)
>>
>
> Along with a bread field, lettuce field, and bacon field of course.
> ( I like to add cheese and Hellmans only, of course ! )
>
> Your turn......
>
> :-)
>
Humma. That sounds quite tasty.
Miss some garlic stray. And one of these sausages that could act as
emergency candles when you set one end at fire. Seen them in Scotland
years ago - right from my breakfast table. Along with beans and fried eggs.
(That however did not burn. It right out exploded when we torched it. It
took a week and several gallons of fat-dissolver to clear the breakfast
area in that hotel.)
UZnal
you
> > apparently. :-) IBM Server 77i that I have been searching for forever,
and
> > would gladly trade one of my beloved 9585N's for... ?
Announced June 1994 withdrawn July 25, 1995: Model 77i Type 9577, up to DX4
100/33, IDE, planar S3 86C928 1/2M video RAM, 64M max RAM, SurePath BIOS,
reference partition, 5 slots. Optionally, Mwave DSP based Audiovation
Adapter (sound card), MediaBurst Movie Adapter.
Model 77s-VTG has ECC memory and the Corvette (so I think) as a SCSI-2
adapter, along the standard IDE.
As a matter of fact, the series is 76i/76s and 77i/77s, 9576 resp. 9577.
BTW, I wouldn't trade it for a 9585N. Those 77i/77s are definitely the
better beasts.
Russ Blakeman
The problem with these is I have them full to the gills with drives
and they don't LOOK as heavy as they are when you go to move them.
Luckily my new Mayline server cabinet (once I put angle iron framing
in for a shelf with 3/4" plywood) will hold two side by side in the
bottom without a problem. Still amazing the work these old dual PII
machines can perform at one time.
Russ Blakeman
wrote:
That might be why something is slapping against my knee when I walk
now ;-)
Russ Blakeman
wrote:
>My Server 330 Dual PPro has six hot swap HDs, floppy, CDrom, DDS-2 tape
>driver.
>Can you imagine its weight ?
About what mine has - as full as it can get and those IBM hard drives
don't help matters much in weight. One of mine has an extra video
card, extra NIC and modems in it too (no need for them anymore, put in
for a previous project and I havent yet removed them) and not having
had to move either until I had to move from the basement to the new
office I forgot how heavy they are compared to how heavy they look. I
have the pedestals but even with that off it threw me.
Russ Blakeman
<jshorney....@inebraska.com> wrote:
>Sarah thinks we should just all go moose hunting.
I wouldn't mind going off in the woods alone with her although the
moose will survive as hunting them is not what I'd have in mind ;-)
Ok enough for the off topic perv reply.
Robert E. Watts
"UZnal" <unalz-at-mail333-dot-com> wrote in message news:4b393140$0$1553
>
> BTW, I wouldn't trade it for a 9585N. Those 77i/77s are definitely the
> better beasts.
>
No argument from me. I have had my share of 77's, and still have a 77i with
POD, and they are real nice machines. And I'm fond of the 76i also. Have two
with POD. Real nice small "workstation".
bob
UZnal
> No argument from me. I have had my share of 77's, and still have a 77i
with
> POD, and they are real nice machines. And I'm fond of the 76i also. Have
two
> with POD. Real nice small "workstation".
As for myself, I would be glad if I had ever seen one of them. The
announcement date 1994 coincides with the time IBM dealers (in this city)
were moving away from the MCA.
Jim Hall
> Hi Tim !
>
> snip <
>
> But then, as soon as I get my anti-grav thingie working, I won't have to
> worry about this stuff anymore.
>
> bob
>
>
hi bob:
Let me know if you need PaRtS. I have spares.
--
Jim Hall
add zero zero four before at to reply
Robert E. Watts
It's not the PaRtS that are giving me problems............ it's putting them
together in the right order.
That and the software.
Thought I had it once, and during a full scale test, I accidentally turned a
Cadillac Escalade into a puddle when I got it reversed.
I'll keep you posted.
boB
"Jim Hall" <jh...@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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Dr. Jim
> Thought I had it once, and during a full scale test, I accidentally turned a
> Cadillac Escalade into a puddle when I got it reversed.
Yeah, that one went viral on ZIPTube.
Classic.
-Jim
Robert E. Watts
"Dr. Jim" <jshorney....@inebraska.com> wrote in message
> Yeah, that one went viral on ZIPTube.
>
> Classic.
>
> -Jim
Yeah, thanks for reminding me. :-)
Shame the ZIPper guy who caught that on tape wasn't caught in the field.
At least I DID manage to localize the effects. This time.
boB
Dr. Jim
> Shame the ZIPper guy who caught that on tape wasn't caught in the field.
Probably because you were looking for a "guy".
-Jim
Robert E. Watts
>
> Probably because you were looking for a "guy".
> -Jim
!!! DAMMIT!!
I have *GOT* to get a drone. My kits have not arrived yet.
bob
Russ Blakeman
"slocket" or "slotket" to fit a socket 370 processor into a slot 1
motherboard - any ideas if I could put one in each of the slot 1's in
my 330(s) with a 1ghz 370 cpu on each? The chipset probably won't
support it I imagine, just a thought. I can buy a refurb dual xeon 1u
or 2u rack mount if I need speed and power later, just curious if
anyone has insight into whether my scheme might be feasible.
Dr. Jim
> !!! DAMMIT!!
>
> I have *GOT* to get a drone. My kits have not arrived yet.
Yep, it could have been a drone.
Could have been a flarg.
Or, it could have been a hat, or a brooch, or a pterodactyl.
You are thinking too much like a HumE.
Tim WBST Clarke
Just guessing really, but I wouldn't necessarily expect MESI
interoperability to work for *multiple* slockets in an older motherboard.
You'd need to research the implemented level of multi-CPU operation in both
BIOS and planar hardware terms and then what's expected by the processors
you have in mind (from the sSPEC codes).
--
Cheers,
Tim Clarke (a.k.a. WBST)
Guildford U.K.
supervinx
Some of them have a jumper to set when used in dual CPU MBs ...
Usually, IBM Bios complains at every startup ... I tried an upgrade on a
300GL ... every boot "Press F1..." blah blah ...
Then it works ...
I have two PCServer 330 with 233 Slot 1 CPUs (the third is PPro
based) ... you gave me an idea ... I haven't two identical 370
processors ... I'll look for a suitable pair ...
Russ Blakeman
wrote:
Oh the dual slot 1 PII 330's definitely want a matched pair of
processors, had to search high and low for matched sets for both of
mine. The cards I'm looking at can handle Celeron 370 and Coppermine
PIII 370 and I would need to get a matched pair of 370 cpus just to
try it - I guess for $5 each for the slotket cards I could try it and
if it doesnt work I have a couple slot 1 PIII based machines (dells
and hp's) I could always put the slotket cards into.
Nice thing is that older cpus and these adapters are cheap enough for
experimentation now.
Robert E. Watts
"Russ Blakeman" <rh...@windstream.net> wrote in message
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It's a good question, and one that is difficult to answer, and frankly,
*could* require hours of tinkering and testing if no one has done it already
with *this* particular board.
I am familiar with installing Slotkets, done it LOTS of times, although it
was many years ago. The *main* computer ( Whizzbang One ) that I used from
1998 to 2005 was based on an Asus P2B-DS V1.05 Server motherboard. It went
from a P233, to P300, P450, Celeron 1000, and finally a Coppermine 1100Mhz.
When I finally retired the machine ( still operational ) in 2005, I tried a
pair of Coppermine 1.1GHz CPU's, and it didn't boot, which was not a
surprise. Back to a single 1.1GHz Coppermine, and it was undamaged. My
particular board will not support Tualatin CPU's, but later versions do.
Some of these boards can be upgraded all the way to 1400Mhz and more !
( By the way, I'm still looking for a 1133MHz Coppermine CPU. Exceedingly
rare, and most that made it out into population were returned. My collection
requires one of these. )
To make a very long story short, this is a pretty comprehensive page on THAT
board which lets you know what is involved with what you are proposing:
http://homepage.hispeed.ch/rscheidegger/p2b_procupgrade_faq.html#dual_issues
Bottom line, boards, CPU's, slotkets, BIOS ( most important probably ) get
finicky and complicated with this type of upgrade, and *I* would suggest
doing some heavy duty research to see if anyone has already attempted your
proposed upgrade.
Or....
If the machine is an "extra" or non-important, throw the parts in there and
see what happens. Be a good idea to have a pile of matching slotkets though.
I have seen the "high quality" most recommended jobs fail, and the cheapest
imaginable work.
No need to go nuts on the fans, these CPUS never got that hot.
I think your biggest hang-up is going to be BIOS. Unless someone has written
an upgraded BIOS, I don't see this working. Electrically, I don't think you
can hurt anything if you pay attention to voltages.
bobwatts
Russ Blakeman
Yeah I have to do some finger crossing, experimenting and such. I dont
think it will hurt the motherboard other than not allowing it to boot
with the slotkets and 370 cpus, I can always swap the original PII
cpus back and use the adapters in another machine I guess, or put them
back on ebay and try to get back what I have in them. With one machine
sitting as a spare and the cold keeping me from working in my shop
like I would like, it might be a good time to experiment.
Kay Martinen
Am 10.01.2010 14:31, schrieb supervinx:
> I have some of that adapter cards ... they're finicky on normal MBs ;-)
> Some of them have a jumper to set when used in dual CPU MBs ...
If it can help you, ask me. I have an Slot1-to S370AdapterCard too that has
several Jumpers and a small Description-sheet. And additionally i have two
servers with Slot-CPUs. One with an PII-233 and an other one with a Dual-CPU
Board containing two PIII-500 (Katmai-core). Both are running under Linux. And
"Off-Topic-Like" did not have MCA.
> Usually, IBM Bios complains at every startup ... I tried an upgrade on a
> 300GL ... every boot "Press F1..." blah blah ...
> Then it works ...
Is the Keyboard not Connected? :-) Sorry. Could not resist. But it was a running
Gag - or not?
Bye/
/Kay
Russ Blakeman
So --- have you run one of these slotket/slocket cards with a PIII
processor, especially on the PII-233 machine? Wondering if it even
worked. MCA or ISA or PCI shouldnt be the issue I dont think.
Russ Blakeman
I'm definitely considering a set for the "spare" (for now it's a
spare) of the slotket boards with a matched pair 1.0ghz PIII
Coppermines, can get all of it around $30 for a dual and try it. Worst
thing that can happen I take both out and if it hurt the machine then
I have a parts machine or I have 2 processors and 2 slotkets to
resell. If it does hurt the machine then I have an excuse to go to a
1U or 2U dual Xeon refurb server from Evertek for about a hundred.
supervinx
The PII233 dual slot MB, uses a 66 or 100 MHz FSB ... don't remember now
If you plan to put a 1GHz CPU pair, you have to find a 100MHz CPU pair,
if the FSB is 100MHz.
If it is 66MHz ... you'll not run at that speed ...
----
1GHz 100MHz, uses a 10x multiplier
If you run at 66, you'll get 666 MHz.
1GHz 133 MHz uses a 7.5x multiplier
If you run at 66 you'll get 450 MHz
bobwatts
You make a good point ( 66, 100, 133MHz FSB), but I assumed that Russ knew
about that. :-)
I will mention that the 100MHz Coppermines are getting real hard to find.
133MHz FSB chips seem to be more common, but of course would run way too
slow, and defeat the purpose of this "upgrade".
By the way, CPU's below 350MHz are all 66MHz FSB. Between 350 and 600 they
are 100MHz, and after 600, either 100 or 133.
Celerons seem to tolerate running at the faster FSB than the Pentiums.
boB
"supervinx" <supe...@libero.it> wrote in message
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Ian Manners
Because they have a bigger heat dissipation surface for heat transfer
to the heatsink and fan,
at least all the ones I've seen here do.
From another old DEC, IBM, NCR, AT&T dinosaur :-)
Kay Martinen
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:18:26 +0100, Kay Martinen
> <k.mar...@t-online.de> wrote:
>> Am 10.01.2010 14:31, schrieb supervinx:
>>> I have some of that adapter cards ... they're finicky on normal MBs ;-)
>>> Some of them have a jumper to set when used in dual CPU MBs ...
>>
>> If it can help you, ask me. I have an Slot1-to S370AdapterCard too that has
>> several Jumpers and a small Description-sheet. And additionally i have two
> So --- have you run one of these slotket/slocket cards with a PIII
> processor, especially on the PII-233 machine?
No. There was no need to flip the CPUs in or out. The SMP-Board came with these
PIII-CPUs together in one Rackcase. And the other Board came together with the
PII. These two machines are working as servers now.
Sorry, It was a Mistake to talk about the Servers. I have no Spare S370 CPU - my
Adapter is still unused. It was an unrealized Option. Therefore i can't Test it.
But i believed in that comparing my adapter or the description with others can
help to figure out a problem. Was it a silly idea?
> Wondering if it even
> worked. MCA or ISA or PCI shouldnt be the issue I dont think.
Why should it not work? I think this adapter has to convert and adapt only the
Physical Connections between the S370 Socket and the Slot1. But i must look at
my Books to remember myself if there are possibly other; more locical; Problems.
Is this what you are meaning?
But i believe in the Past, backward-compatibility was the "holy cow" for Intel
and others. Often with several Limitations, Of course. :-/
Bye/
/Kay
JWR
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> Hi Super !
>
> You make a good point ( 66, 100, 133MHz FSB), but I assumed that Russ knew
> about that. :-)
>
> I will mention that the 100MHz Coppermines are getting real hard to find.
> 133MHz FSB chips seem to be more common, but of course would run way too
> slow, and defeat the purpose of this "upgrade".
>
> By the way, CPU's below 350MHz are all 66MHz FSB. Between 350 and 600 they
> are 100MHz, and after 600, either 100 or 133.
What about Celerons between 350 and 600 MHz that run at a FSB of 66 MHz?
--
Jelte,
Admirer of the letter of IBM with blue Ishiki
(PS I still haven't found that 80186 MB; have you?)
Robert E. Watts
"JWR" <you.want....@ask.for.it> wrote in message
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>
> What about Celerons between 350 and 600 MHz that run at a FSB of 66 MHz?
>
!!OK!! :-)
Celerons below 800MHz are all 66MHz !!
:-)
( I once ran a Socket 4 Pentium 60 at 33MHz. I could have installed any
clock crystal can I wanted down to 16MHz ! )
> Jelte,
> Admirer of the letter of IBM with blue Ishiki
> (PS I still haven't found that 80186 MB; have you?)
Sadly, no. I wish I hadn't given the only one I have ever seen away many
years ago. It was dead, but still, it was an 80186 board and CPU.
bob
Russ Blakeman
wrote:
>Hi Super !
>
>You make a good point ( 66, 100, 133MHz FSB), but I assumed that Russ knew
>about that. :-)
I've been mulling it over and with dual Xeon 1U and 2U rack mounted
servers for under $100 each (I found a local full cabinet Mayline
server cabinet with smoked plexiglass door for $75 that the resale
store bought at govt auction for $50 and had no idea what it was -
wanted $100, I talked him down when he realized it would be hard to
sell in rural KY) so the PC 330's might be on eBay this summer and
replaced with newer servers with higher speed and less space and power
requirements. The only PS/2 I have, the 8595-OPT will likely be big
brother to the IBM 5150, 5160 and 5170 I'm hanging onto for a mini
collection.
I need to get a small lightweight server for a rack mount mobile DJ
system anyway so I may get 3 and use one in the DJ rack and 2 for web
server and file server and watch my power bill go down with every
5.25" FH SCSI drive I replace with 3.5" SCSI or SATA. Yeah I could use
a laptop for a DJ unit but too prone to damage and no ability to
change the internals like sound board or video - next best is a 2U or
1U rack mount. I have a 4U case but it's a heavy SOB all by itself -
works for a 84U rack cabinet but no good for a small rack on wheels
that has to go to different "gigs" as a kit.
Robert E. Watts
"Russ Blakeman" <rh...@windstream.net> wrote in message
> I've been mulling it over and with dual Xeon 1U and 2U rack mounted
> servers for under $100 each in rural KY
<massive snippage>
Understood Russ.
If you actually "using" the computer, it's hard to beat today's machines
that are almost free, and far more powerful.
It's only the *tinkering* aspect of playing with older computers that is
really of interest to me.
Once you get used to Quad Core 3+GHz , gigs of ram, terabytes of HDD
computers, it's hard to go back to actually using older computers for
anything useful.
But I admit to an being a diehard hobbyist when it comes to these old
things. :-)
Robert E. Watts
manner I did:
Where in rural KY are you approximately?
Don't give out your exact position, sometimes "they" are monitoring this
channel. :-)
I'm about 15 miles N. of Cincinnati.
bob
J. Clarke
> HI Russ !
>
> "Russ Blakeman" <rh...@windstream.net> wrote in message
>
>> I've been mulling it over and with dual Xeon 1U and 2U rack mounted
>> servers for under $100 each in rural KY
>
> <massive snippage>
>
> Understood Russ.
>
> If you actually "using" the computer, it's hard to beat today's
> machines that are almost free, and far more powerful.
>
> It's only the *tinkering* aspect of playing with older computers that
> is really of interest to me.
> Once you get used to Quad Core 3+GHz , gigs of ram, terabytes of HDD
> computers, it's hard to go back to actually using older computers for
> anything useful.
>
> But I admit to an being a diehard hobbyist when it comes to these old
> things. :-)
Yeah, right now I run two dual-Xeon servers on my home network and given the
cost of electricity I really oughta replace them with a quad-core Gateway
running virtual machines (by the way, they had a really _nice_ one last year
with external hot-swap bays for about 700 bucks, but they discontinued it).
But somehow I can't bring myself to shut the old girls down. On the other
hand if I wasn't actually using them for anything then I could play with
them more.
bobwatts
"J. Clarke" <jclarke...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Yeah, right now I run two dual-Xeon servers on my home network and given
> the
> cost of electricity I really oughta replace them with a quad-core Gateway
> running virtual machines (by the way, they had a really _nice_ one last
> year
> with external hot-swap bays for about 700 bucks, but they discontinued
> it).
> But somehow I can't bring myself to shut the old girls down. On the other
> hand if I wasn't actually using them for anything then I could play with
> them more.
>
You hit upon a couple of my main reasons for not running these old Servers.
I literally have a pickup truck full of old Servers, and rarely ever use
'em. I would like to, but even trying to be conservative last month, I
managed to rack up 2,686 KWh of electricity !!
That was 1000KWh more than the previous month. I'm still stunned over this.
$275 for electric last month. I'm reconsidering what I leave on from now on.
Matter of fact, the Legendary Dr. Shorney has brought to my attention a
device called a Kill-A-Watt, which I will be purchasing soon, and this will
probably cause a lot of things to get unplugged. Although, I already do
this. But damned if I'm gonna "give the man" my money for 'tricity.
( your computers are GIRLS !?? ) :-)
Damn, I thought Jim was lucky with drones.
bob