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Dave Seven

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Apr 26, 2008, 11:50:23 PM4/26/08
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I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD
instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB HDDs and
would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA
HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't find one. Is there
such a converter?

Arno Wagner

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Apr 27, 2008, 3:02:49 AM4/27/08
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Not possible without implementing a full bridge. USB needs
a master on the other side. Such a converter would basically
need to be a computer that emulates an SATA drive on the other
side.

Bottom line: While there may be such converters, expect to
pay several hundred or more USD/EUR and expect them to be
the size of a small industrial PC. Also expect problems when
using them.

Arno

Franc Zabkar

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Apr 27, 2008, 4:30:44 PM4/27/08
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:50:23 GMT, Dave Seven <not...@email.invalid>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Maybe one of your external USB HDDs has a SATA HDD inside, in which
case you could just buy an external SATA enclosure and transfer one of
your HDDs to it.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Yousuf Khan

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Apr 27, 2008, 5:03:12 PM4/27/08
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No need to buy an entire external HDD system, just buy a new enclosure
with an eSATA connector already included on it. And then you can
transfer the hard drive inside one of your USB-only enclosures into the
new enclosure.

However, there is one solution I've seen. It seems to be something
that'll convert SATA into USB, but I'm not sure if it can convert a USB
into a SATA. Your best bet is to get a new enclosure with the eSATA
already built in.

usb to sata usb hub
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2007/11/usb_to_sataesata_with_usb_hub.html

Yousuf Khan

Rod Speed

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Apr 27, 2008, 6:11:22 PM4/27/08
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Yousuf Khan <bbb...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Dave Seven wrote:

>> I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD instead of USB for extra storage space. I have
>> 5 external USB HDDs and would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA HDD. I looked on NCIX
>> for such a converter and can't find one. Is there such a converter?

> No need to buy an entire external HDD system, just buy a new enclosure
> with an eSATA connector already included on it. And then you can
> transfer the hard drive inside one of your USB-only enclosures into
> the new enclosure.

Whether that works or not depends on whether the existing external
USB HDDs have sata drives in them or not. It wont work if they have
PATA drives in them and most of the older ones will have PATA drives.

> However, there is one solution I've seen. It seems to be something that'll convert SATA into USB,

Its just what external USB HDDs have in them,
without the box and with an extra passive USB hub.

> but I'm not sure if it can convert a USB into a SATA.

No it wont, it only does the other way.

> Your best bet is to get a new enclosure with the eSATA already built in.

That will only work if the existing USB HDDs have SATA drives in them.

Arno Wagner

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Apr 27, 2008, 6:44:22 PM4/27/08
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> Yousuf Khan

Unlikely. SATA to USB is easy and oten needed. USB to SATA
is very hard and rarely needed.

Arno

Squeeze

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Apr 27, 2008, 6:59:55 PM4/27/08
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Arno Wagner wrote in news:67imopF...@mid.individual.net
> Previously Dave Seven <not...@email.invalid> wrote:
> > I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD
> > instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB HDDs and
> > would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA
> > HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't find one. Is there
> > such a converter?
>
> Not possible without implementing a full bridge.

> USB needs a master on the other side.

So do IDE or SATA or SCSI or... or ... or ... devices, take your pick.

> Such a converter would basically need to be a computer that
> emulates an SATA drive on the other side.

Similarly that IDE to SCSI converters need to be a computer that
emulates a SCSI drive on the other side, babblebot?

Pity that IDE to SCSI converters are available in chip form anyway.
Pity that SATA to IDE converters are available in chip form anyway too.

Hey, there's even IDE to SATA converters, imagine that eh, they plonk
a whole computer on those SATA drives.

>
> Bottom line: While there may be such converters, expect to
> pay several hundred or more USD/EUR and expect them to
> be the size of a small industrial PC.

Bwahahah.

Squeeze

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Apr 27, 2008, 7:31:48 PM4/27/08
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Arno Wagner wrote in news:67kdu6F...@mid.individual.net

No, really?

http://www.addonics.com/products/io/aau2esa.asp

>
> Arno

Arno Wagner

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Apr 28, 2008, 12:16:06 AM4/28/08
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Previously Squeeze <rubbe...@duckies.au> wrote:
> Arno Wagner wrote in news:67imopF...@mid.individual.net
>> Previously Dave Seven <not...@email.invalid> wrote:
>> > I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD
>> > instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB HDDs and
>> > would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA
>> > HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't find one. Is there
>> > such a converter?
>>
>> Not possible without implementing a full bridge.

>> USB needs a master on the other side.

> So do IDE or SATA or SCSI or... or ... or ... devices, take your pick.

True for IDE and SATA, and consequentially the corresponding
type of converter does not exist for the either. SCSI happens
to be a multi-master bus, where every device can be master, if
so inclined. In modern words, SCSI is Peer-to-Peer, while USB
needs one fixed, dedicated master, has a hierachical structure
and nothing happens without the single, fixed master.

>> Such a converter would basically need to be a computer that
>> emulates an SATA drive on the other side.

> Similarly that IDE to SCSI converters need to be a computer that
> emulates a SCSI drive on the other side, babblebot?

Ahh, roddles the clueless. They are done in this way. But as SCSI
supports very slow signalling, usually a slow 8 bit SoC is enough.

> Pity that IDE to SCSI converters are available in chip form anyway.
> Pity that SATA to IDE converters are available in chip form anyway too.

SATA to IDE is simple, because of the same command-set,
bust structure and bus arbitration.

> Hey, there's even IDE to SATA converters, imagine that eh, they plonk
> a whole computer on those SATA drives.

So?

>>
>> Bottom line: While there may be such converters, expect to
>> pay several hundred or more USD/EUR and expect them to
>> be the size of a small industrial PC.

> Bwahahah.

As usual: No clue, no arguments that withstand even quick
scrutiny and a big mouth.

Arno

Arno Wagner

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Apr 28, 2008, 12:18:42 AM4/28/08
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> No, really?

> http://www.addonics.com/products/io/aau2esa.asp

This device is SATA to USB, not the other way round. Read
the discussion.

You are clueless as allways, rod.

Arno

2345

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Apr 28, 2008, 1:04:47 AM4/28/08
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Arno Wagner <m...@privacy.net> wrote

> Squeeze <rubbe...@duckies.au> wrote
>> Arno Wagner wrote
>>> Dave Seven <not...@email.invalid> wrote

>>>> I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external
>>>> HDD instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB
>>>> HDDs and would rather use one of those than having to buy a new
>>>> external SATA HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't
>>>> find one. Is there such a converter?

>>> Not possible without implementing a full bridge.

>>> USB needs a master on the other side.

>> So do IDE or SATA or SCSI or... or ... or ... devices, take your pick.

> True for IDE and SATA, and consequentially the corresponding
> type of converter does not exist for the either. SCSI happens
> to be a multi-master bus, where every device can be master, if
> so inclined. In modern words, SCSI is Peer-to-Peer, while USB
> needs one fixed, dedicated master, has a hierachical structure
> and nothing happens without the single, fixed master.

>>> Such a converter would basically need to be a computer that
>>> emulates an SATA drive on the other side.

>> Similarly that IDE to SCSI converters need to be a computer that
>> emulates a SCSI drive on the other side, babblebot?

> Ahh, roddles the clueless.

Thats Fucknert, stupid. The use of the word babblebot is a dead giveaway.

2345

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Apr 28, 2008, 1:05:57 AM4/28/08
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You cant even work out who you're talking to.

Its Fucknert, stupid.


Dave Seven

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Apr 28, 2008, 3:44:07 AM4/28/08
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Arno Wagner wrote:

> SATA to IDE is simple, because of the same command-set,
> bust structure and bus arbitration.

Are there external HDD cases that convert an IDE HDD to a SATA
connection on the external case? I could just buy one of those instead.
I'm trying to avoid having to buy a new external SATA HDD.

Dave Seven

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Apr 28, 2008, 3:46:22 AM4/28/08
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Franc Zabkar wrote:

> Maybe one of your external USB HDDs has a SATA HDD inside, in which
> case you could just buy an external SATA enclosure and transfer one of
> your HDDs to it.
>
> - Franc Zabkar

I have one that has two 500GB SATA HDD's in it but that is a retail unit
that has to stay as it is. The other 4 are units I put together myself
and all use IDE HDD's.

Dave Seven

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Apr 28, 2008, 3:48:36 AM4/28/08
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Yousuf Khan wrote:

> No need to buy an entire external HDD system, just buy a new enclosure
> with an eSATA connector already included on it. And then you can
> transfer the hard drive inside one of your USB-only enclosures into the
> new enclosure.

My HDD's that I can use are all IDE though and that case would require
SATA HDD, no?

Dave Seven

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Apr 28, 2008, 3:49:42 AM4/28/08
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Rod Speed wrote:

> Whether that works or not depends on whether the existing external
> USB HDDs have sata drives in them or not. It wont work if they have
> PATA drives in them and most of the older ones will have PATA drives.

Yea, they are all PATA so nfg. Guess I will have to buy a new eSATA
external HDD.

Dave Seven

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Apr 28, 2008, 3:52:55 AM4/28/08
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Squeeze wrote:


> No, really?
>
> http://www.addonics.com/products/io/aau2esa.asp


That device goes SATA to USB and not USB to SATA, as I need.

Dave Seven

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Apr 28, 2008, 3:54:11 AM4/28/08
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Arno Wagner wrote:

> This device is SATA to USB, not the other way round. Read
> the discussion.
>
> You are clueless as allways, rod.
>
> Arno

Thanks for trying to help Arno even if the trolls are giving you aggro
for telling me the correct info.

Rod Speed

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Apr 28, 2008, 5:34:09 AM4/28/08
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Dave Seven <not...@email.invalid> wrote
> Arno Wagner wrote

>> SATA to IDE is simple, because of the same command-set, bust structure and bus arbitration.
>
> Are there external HDD cases that convert an IDE HDD to a SATA connection on the external case?

Nope.

> I could just buy one of those instead.

No such animal.

> I'm trying to avoid having to buy a new external SATA HDD.

Thats your only viable option.


Rod Speed

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Apr 28, 2008, 5:35:04 AM4/28/08
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Dave Seven <not...@email.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

Yep.


Rod Speed

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Apr 28, 2008, 5:36:10 AM4/28/08
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Yep.


Squeeze

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Apr 28, 2008, 8:36:05 AM4/28/08
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Rod Speed wrote in news:67kc0dF...@mid.individual.net
> Yousuf Khan <bbb...@yahoo.com> wrote
> > Dave Seven wrote:
>
> > > I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD instead of USB for extra storage space. I have
> > > 5 external USB HDDs and would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA HDD. I looked on NCIX
> > > for such a converter and can't find one. Is there such a converter?
>
> > No need to buy an entire external HDD system, just buy a new enclosure
> > with an eSATA connector already included on it. And then you can
> > transfer the hard drive inside one of your USB-only enclosures into
> > the new enclosure.

> Whether that works or not depends on whether the existing external
> USB HDDs have sata drives in them or not.

Nonsense.

> It wont work if they have PATA drives in them and most of the older
> ones will have PATA drives.

Clueless, as always.

>
> > However, there is one solution I've seen.
> > It seems to be something that'll convert SATA into USB,
>
> Its just what external USB HDDs have in them,
> without the box and with an extra passive USB hub.
>
> > but I'm not sure if it can convert a USB into a SATA.
>
> No it wont, it only does the other way.
>
> > Your best bet is to get a new enclosure with the eSATA already built in.

> That will only work if the existing USB HDDs have SATA drives in them.

Clueless, as always: http://www.xpcgear.com/rocketmate1100.html

Squeeze

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Apr 28, 2008, 8:24:04 AM4/28/08
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Rod Speed wrote in news:67lk2aF...@mid.individual.net

> Yep.

Clueless, as always: http://www.xpcgear.com/rocketmate1100.html

Squeeze

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Apr 28, 2008, 8:23:37 AM4/28/08
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Rod Speed wrote in news:67lk0jF...@mid.individual.net
> Dave Seven <not...@email.invalid> wrote
> > Arno Wagner wrote
>
> > > SATA to IDE is simple, because of the same command-set, bust structure and bus arbitration.
> >
> > Are there external HDD cases that convert an IDE HDD to a SATA connection on the external case?

> Nope.

Clueless, as always: http://www.xpcgear.com/rocketmate1100.html

>

> > I could just buy one of those instead.

> No such animal.

Clueless, as always: http://www.xpcgear.com/rocketmate1100.html

>

> > I'm trying to avoid having to buy a new external SATA HDD.

> Thats your only viable option.

Clueless, as always.

Squeeze

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Apr 28, 2008, 10:26:37 AM4/28/08
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2345 aka Rodbot wrote in news:48155b35$0$8123$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au

This is too precious. Two birds with one stone.

Squeeze

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Apr 28, 2008, 10:21:32 AM4/28/08
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Rod Speed wrote in news:67lk4cF...@mid.individual.net

> Yep.

Clueless, as always: http://www.xpcgear.com/rocketmate1100.html

And there's loads more of 'm.

Squeeze

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Apr 28, 2008, 9:37:22 AM4/28/08
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Dave Seven wrote in news:rnfRj.227580$pM4.92094@pd7urf1no

What makes you think I even care for a gay troll like yourself.

My point was about the "difficult" , "don't exist" and
need "a full computer" rant from the clueless babblebot.

Btw, If you had looked around more at that site you would
have already found what you are looking for.
Obviously you are far more interested in trolling.

Squeeze

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Apr 28, 2008, 9:32:49 AM4/28/08
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Arno Wagner wrote in news:67l1c6F...@mid.individual.net
> Previously Squeeze <rubbe...@duckies.au> wrote:
> > Arno Wagner wrote in news:67imopF...@mid.individual.net
> > > Previously Dave Seven <not...@email.invalid> wrote:
> > > > I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD
> > > > instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB HDDs and
> > > > would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA
> > > > HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't find one. Is there
> > > > such a converter?
> > >
> > > Not possible without implementing a full bridge.
>
> > > USB needs a master on the other side.
>
> > So do IDE or SATA or SCSI or... or ... or ... devices, take your pick.

> True for IDE and SATA, and consequentially the corresponding
> type of converter does not exist for the either.

Nonsense.
http://www.usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00265

> SCSI happens to be a multi-master bus, where every device can be
> master, if so inclined.

Right, such a converter is obviously *infinitively* more complex.

> In modern words, SCSI is Peer-to-Peer,

So is USB.

> while USB needs one fixed, dedicated master,

Nonsense.

> has a hierachical structure

As does SCSI.

> and nothing happens without the single, fixed master.

Neither with SCSI, your blathering about being peer-to-peer not withstanding.

>
> > > Such a converter would basically need to be a computer that
> > > emulates an SATA drive on the other side.
>
> > Similarly that IDE to SCSI converters need to be a computer that
> > emulates a SCSI drive on the other side, babblebot?

> Ahh, roddles the clueless. They are done in this way. But as SCSI
> supports very slow signalling, usually a slow 8 bit SoC is enough.

Ohoho, that one is precious. You must be a hell of a poker player, babblebot.

>
> > Pity that IDE to SCSI converters are available in chip form anyway.
> > Pity that SATA to IDE converters are available in chip form anyway too.

> SATA to IDE is simple,

Pity SCSI isn't.
Pity too that you just said above that they don't exist.

> because of the same command-set, bust structure and bus arbitration.

Like it is any different with IDE to SATA.
Pity about that "needing a master" argument that you were blathering about.

>
> > Hey, there's even IDE to SATA converters, imagine that eh, they plonk
> > a whole computer on those SATA drives.

> So?

Hey, it's your contention, moron.

>
> > >
> > > Bottom line: While there may be such converters, expect to
> > > pay several hundred or more USD/EUR and expect them to
> > > be the size of a small industrial PC.
>
> > Bwahahah.

> As usual: No clue, no arguments that withstand even quick scrutiny

> and a big mouth.

Talking to your mirror image again, babblebot?

>
> Arno

Arno Wagner

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Apr 28, 2008, 11:04:51 AM4/28/08
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> Its Fucknert, stupid.

What, you mean you are not the same person?

Maybe stopping to lie about your identity would then be
a good idea ...

Arno

Arno Wagner

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Apr 28, 2008, 11:06:43 AM4/28/08
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Previously Dave Seven <not...@email.invalid> wrote:
> Arno Wagner wrote:

There are. Not that many though. Just look with any well
stocked computer parts supplier.

Arno

Eric Gisin

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Apr 28, 2008, 12:22:58 PM4/28/08
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"Squeeze" <rubbe...@duckies.au> wrote in message
news:4815dadb$0$13851$8f2e...@news.shared-secrets.com...

> Arno Wagner wrote in news:67l1c6F...@mid.individual.net
>
>> SCSI happens to be a multi-master bus, where every device can be
>> master, if so inclined.
>
> Right, such a converter is obviously *infinitively* more complex.
>
>> In modern words, SCSI is Peer-to-Peer,
>
> So is USB.

Bullshit, FolkNutz. It's master host to slave devices.


>
>> while USB needs one fixed, dedicated master,
>
> Nonsense.
>

Bullshit again, FolkNutz.

2345

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Apr 28, 2008, 3:12:00 PM4/28/08
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Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Look at the headers, stupid.

> Maybe stopping to lie about your identity would then be a good idea ...

Dont have any option when fools like you play stupid childish games with killfiles, fuckwit.


bbbl67

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Apr 28, 2008, 4:10:00 PM4/28/08
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PATA IDE To SATA Adapter Converter For HDD DVD SA20K - eBay (item
250240658317 end time Apr-28-08 15:48:00 PDT)
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Yousuf Khan

bbbl67

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Apr 28, 2008, 4:15:21 PM4/28/08
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On Apr 28, 8:24 am, "Squeeze" <rubberd...@duckies.au> wrote:
> > > Yea, they are all PATA so nfg. Guess I will have to buy a new eSATA external HDD.
> > Yep.
>
> Clueless, as always:http://www.xpcgear.com/rocketmate1100.html

You might want to reconsider the clueless wording. The device you
showed, is only for SATA hard drives, not PATA. PATA drives would
require a SATA converter.

Yousuf Khan

Squeeze

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Apr 28, 2008, 5:40:13 PM4/28/08
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Eric Gisin wrote in news:eNadna0LfK75Z4jVnZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@uniservecommunications

> "Squeeze" <rubbe...@duckies.au> wrote in message news:4815dadb$0$13851$8f2e...@news.shared-secrets.com...
> > Arno Wagner wrote in news:67l1c6F...@mid.individual.net
> >
> > > SCSI happens to be a multi-master bus, where every device can be
> > > master, if so inclined.
> >
> > Right, such a converter is obviously *infinitively* more complex.
> >
> > > In modern words, SCSI is Peer-to-Peer,
> >
> > So is USB.

> Bullshit, FolkNutz. It's master host to slave devices.

Pity about those OTG dual role devices, Gisin newbie.
http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/1822/

Abstract: USB On-The-Go (OTG) allows two USB devices to talk to
each other without requiring the services of a personal computer.
Although OTG appears to add "peer to peer" connections to USB, it
does not. Instead, USB OTG retains the standard USB host/peripheral
model, where a single host talks to USB peripherals.
OTG introduces the dual-role device (DRD), capable of functioning as
either host or peripheral. Part of the magic of OTG is that a host and
peripheral can exchange roles if necessary.

Not exactly peer-to-peer, but close enough.

No computer host needed. Just a chippie the size of a postage stamp.
But thank you for giving me the opportunity to show that babblebot
off as a clueless idiot, once again.

> >
> > > while USB needs one fixed, dedicated master,
> >
> > Nonsense.

> Bullshit again, FolkNutz.

Yeah sure. Pity about that "fixed" and "dedicated", Gisin newbie.

>
> > > has a hierachical structure
> >
> > As does SCSI.
> >
> > > and nothing happens without the single, fixed master.
> >

Pity about USB OTG.

Squeeze

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Apr 28, 2008, 5:14:11 PM4/28/08
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bbbl67 wrote in news:8df2d5a0-d237-4c7b...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com

Once an idiot, always an idiot.

>
> Yousuf Khan

Odie

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Apr 28, 2008, 5:43:52 PM4/28/08
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Yousuf Khan <C.S.I.P.H.S. Kook of the Year nominee> wrote

ROTFLOL. A+ for effort to get the comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
*"KOOK of the Year"* award.

>
> Yousuf Khan

Squeeze

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Apr 28, 2008, 5:35:00 PM4/28/08
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Arno Wagner wrote in news:67m7g3F...@mid.individual.net
> Previously Dave Seven <not...@email.invalid> wrote:
> > Arno Wagner wrote:
>
> > > SATA to IDE is simple, because of the same command-set,
> > > bust structure and bus arbitration.
>
> > Are there external HDD cases that convert an IDE HDD to a SATA
> > connection on the external case? I could just buy one of those instead.
> > I'm trying to avoid having to buy a new external SATA HDD.

> There are. Not that many though.

He only needs one, babblebot.
I think, somehow the industrie can manage that.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-23%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=esata+external+IDE+drive+kit&btnG=Search

> Just look with any well stocked computer parts supplier.

Yeah, why bother with the internet and search engines.

Btw, nice to know that you still read my posts, babblebot.
Too bad you can't steal from them without anyone immediately able to tell.

>
> Arno

Dave Seven

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Apr 30, 2008, 10:18:38 AM4/30/08
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Squeeze wrote:

>
> Clueless, as always: http://www.xpcgear.com/rocketmate1100.html

Great, and thanks. Now to find one for sale in Canada.

Dave Seven

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Apr 30, 2008, 10:21:31 AM4/30/08
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Squeeze wrote:

> He only needs one, babblebot.
> I think, somehow the industrie can manage that.

I need a Canadian distributor.

Dave Seven

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Apr 30, 2008, 10:25:37 AM4/30/08
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Squeeze wrote:

> What makes you think I even care for a gay troll like yourself.

??? Fucking wacko.

chrisv

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May 2, 2008, 10:52:30 AM5/2/08
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Squeeze wrote:

>> > You are clueless as allways, rod.
>
>> You cant even work out who you're talking to.
>>
>> Its Fucknert, stupid.
>
>This is too precious. Two birds with one stone.

Gads, I'm laughing so hard I'm crying, here. You guys are hilarious!

8)

John Turco

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Arno Wagner wrote:
>
> Previously Squeeze <rubbe...@duckies.au> wrote:
> > Arno Wagner wrote in news:67kdu6F...@mid.individual.net

<edited for brevity>

> >> Unlikely. SATA to USB is easy and oten needed.
>
> >> USB to SATA is very hard and rarely needed.
>
> > No, really?
>
> > http://www.addonics.com/products/io/aau2esa.asp
>
> This device is SATA to USB, not the other way round. Read
> the discussion.
>

> You are clueless as allways, rod.
>

> Arno


Hello, Arno:

Please, don't allow "Squeeze" <rubbe...@duckies.au> to con you, into
thinking he's Rod Speed, just because of the "au" in his fake e-mail
address.

In reality, "Squeeze" is your old Dutch "friend" (Folkert Rienstra),
doing his best, to penetrate your filters.


Cordially,
John Turco <jt...@concentric.net>

John Turco

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May 4, 2008, 5:24:42 AM5/4/08
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Hello, Dave:

Indeed, he is! Squeeze <rubbe...@duckies.au> is only a front, for
Folkert Rienstra; he's an infamous Usenet troll, from the Netherlands.


Cordially,
John Turco <jt...@concentric.net>

Arno Wagner

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May 4, 2008, 8:04:54 AM5/4/08
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> <edited for brevity>


> Hello, Arno:

Noted. Why he craves this attention is beyond me.

Arno

Poky

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:21:32 +0100, "Squeeze" <rubbe...@duckies.au>
wrote:

Stop replying to yourself. You are fooling no one.

John Turco

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Hello, Poky:

"Squeeze" <rubbe...@duckies.au> is fooling >you<, apparently. You see,
he's really Folkert Rienstra, a maniacal Usenet troll.

Lately, he's been trying to spoof everybody, by imitating the writing style
of Rod Speed, as well as by putting "au" in his false e-mail address. (Note:
Rod Speed is an Australian, while Folkert Rienstra is Dutch.)


Cordially,
John Turco <jt...@concentric.net>

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