"Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."?

[Ant]

Hi.

Is this error something to worry about quickly (will have to buy a new
HDD if it is urgent. but they are expensive due to Thailand's flood :()?

Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:58:13 -0700
From: root
To: root
Subject: SMART error (Usage) detected on host: FooBar

This email was generated by the smartd daemon running on:

host name: FooBar
DNS domain: localdomain
NIS domain: (none)

The following warning/error was logged by the smartd daemon:

Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.

For details see host's SYSLOG.

You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
Another email message will be sent in 24 hours if the problem persists.


Syslog showed:
# cat /var/log/syslog |grep smart
Nov 5 13:04:35 FooBar smartd[2815]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART
Prefailure Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 58 to 57
Nov 5 13:04:35 FooBar smartd[2815]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 36 to 35
Nov 5 13:04:35 FooBar smartd[2815]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered changed from 58 to 57
Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: smartd 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365
[i686-linux-2.6.32-5-686] (local build)
Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce
Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Opened configuration file
/etc/smartd.conf
Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Drive: DEVICESCAN, implied '-a'
Directive on line 21 of file /etc/smartd.conf
Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Configuration file /etc/smartd.conf
was parsed, found DEVICESCAN, scanning devices
Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda, type changed from
'scsi' to 'sat'
Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], opened
Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], ST380011A,
S/N:4JV5P7LN, FW:8.01, 80.0 GB
Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], found in
smartd database.
Nov 5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], is SMART
capable. Adding to "monitor" list.
Nov 5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], state read
from /var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.ST380011A-4JV5P7LN.ata.state
Nov 5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb, type changed from
'scsi' to 'sat'
Nov 5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], opened
Nov 5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], QUANTUM
FIREBALLP LM15, S/N:183006136328, FW:A35.0700, 15.0 GB
Nov 5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], found in
smartd database.
Nov 5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], is SMART
capable. Adding to "monitor" list.
Nov 5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], state read
from
/var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.QUANTUM_FIREBALLP_LM15-183006136328.ata.state
Nov 5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Monitoring 2 ATA and 0 SCSI devices
Nov 5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 35 to 36
Nov 5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], state
written to /var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.ST380011A-4JV5P7LN.ata.state
Nov 5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], state
written to
/var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.QUANTUM_FIREBALLP_LM15-183006136328.ata.state
Nov 5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: smartd has fork()ed into background
mode. New PID=2786.
Nov 5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: file /var/run/smartd.pid written
containing PID 2786
Nov 5 14:28:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 36 to 34
Nov 5 14:58:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 34 to 36
Nov 5 15:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 36 to 37
Nov 5 16:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 37 to 38
Nov 5 16:58:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 38 to 35
Nov 5 17:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 35 to 37
Nov 5 18:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 37 to 38
Nov 5 19:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 38 to 36
Nov 5 20:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours changed from 44 to 43
Nov 5 20:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 36 to 37
Nov 5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed
SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.
Nov 5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Sending warning via
/usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner to root ...
Nov 5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Warning via
/usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner to root: successful
Nov 5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], SMART Usage
Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours changed from 2 to 1

This timing seems/appears to be related to my earlier reboot (did not
power off) of this very old 2005's Debian box due its yesterday's Kernel
v2.6.32-5-686 upgrade (not version, just its package with fixes). I had
no problems with the reboot (but wasn't looking at its screen though).


I ran its detail reports before doing an extended self-test:
# smartctl -a /dev/sdb
smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [i686-linux-2.6.32-5-686] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Quantum Fireball Plus LM
Device Model: QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM15
Serial Number: 183006136328
Firmware Version: A35.0700
User Capacity: 15,020,457,984 bytes [15.0 GB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: 5
ATA Standard is: ATA/ATAPI-5 T13 1321D revision 1
Local Time is: Sat Nov 5 23:05:31 2011 PDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x80) Offline data collection activity
was never started.
Auto Offline Data Collection:
Enabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine
completed
without error or no self-test
has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: ( 46) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x1b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection
on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test supported.
No Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
No General Purpose Logging support.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 13) minutes.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 11
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x0029 100 253 020 Pre-fail
Offline - 0
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 078 063 020 Pre-fail
Always - 2828
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 097 097 008 Old_age
Always - 2392
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 020 Pre-fail
Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 023 Pre-fail
Always - 0
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 001 001 001 Old_age
Always FAILING_NOW 64880
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0026 100 100 020 Old_age
Always - 0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 020 Pre-fail
Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 097 097 008 Old_age
Always - 2278
13 Read_Soft_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 023 Pre-fail
Always - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x001a 200 200 000 Old_age Always
- 0
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0010 100 100 020 Old_age
Offline - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always
- 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 253 000 Old_age
Offline - 0

SMART Error Log Version: 0
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 0
Warning: ATA Specification requires self-test log structure revision
number = 1
Num Test_Description Status Remaining
LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
# 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 63409
-
# 2 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 58068
-
# 3 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 54663
-
# 4 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 53303
-
# 5 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 46603
-
# 6 Short offline Completed without error 00% 15067
-
# 7 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 13222
-
# 8 Short offline Completed without error 00% 13218
-
# 9 Short offline Completed without error 00% 8391
-
#10 Short offline Completed without error 00% 8391
-

Device does not support Selective Self Tests/Logging


So I decided to run gsmartcontrol v5.41 (GUI version of smartctl) and it
also marked Power_On_Hours as a problem. I ran a long test and it
started with loud noises (a fan/motor or something spinning?) for about
30 seconds. That doesn't sound good to me. Anyways, here is the report
after the long test which said no errors/problems:

# smartctl -a /dev/sdb
smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [i686-linux-2.6.32-5-686] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Quantum Fireball Plus LM
Device Model: QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM15
Serial Number: 183006136328
Firmware Version: A35.0700
User Capacity: 15,020,457,984 bytes [15.0 GB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: 5
ATA Standard is: ATA/ATAPI-5 T13 1321D revision 1
Local Time is: Sat Nov 5 23:36:57 2011 PDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x80) Offline data collection activity
was never started.
Auto Offline Data Collection:
Enabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine
completed
without error or no self-test
has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: ( 46) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x1b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection
on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test supported.
No Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
No General Purpose Logging support.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 13) minutes.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 11
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x0029 100 253 020 Pre-fail
Offline - 0
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 078 063 020 Pre-fail
Always - 2828
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 097 097 008 Old_age
Always - 2392
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 020 Pre-fail
Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 023 Pre-fail
Always - 0
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 001 001 001 Old_age
Always FAILING_NOW 64880
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0026 100 100 020 Old_age
Always - 0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 020 Pre-fail
Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 097 097 008 Old_age
Always - 2278
13 Read_Soft_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 023 Pre-fail
Always - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x001a 200 200 000 Old_age Always
- 0
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0010 100 100 020 Old_age
Offline - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always
- 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 253 000 Old_age
Offline - 0

SMART Error Log Version: 0
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 0
Warning: ATA Specification requires self-test log structure revision
number = 1
Num Test_Description Status Remaining
LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
# 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 64880
-
# 2 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 63409
-
# 3 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 58068
-
# 4 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 54663
-
# 5 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 53303
-
# 6 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 46603
-
# 7 Short offline Completed without error 00% 15067
-
# 8 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 13222
-
# 9 Short offline Completed without error 00% 13218
-
#10 Short offline Completed without error 00% 8391
-
#11 Short offline Completed without error 00% 8391
-

Device does not support Selective Self Tests/Logging


Thank you in advance. :)
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[Arno]

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Ant <a...@zimage.comant> wrote:
> Hi.

> Is this error something to worry about quickly (will have to buy a new
> HDD if it is urgent. but they are expensive due to Thailand's flood :()?

> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:58:13 -0700
> From: root
> To: root
> Subject: SMART error (Usage) detected on host: FooBar

> This email was generated by the smartd daemon running on:

> host name: FooBar
> DNS domain: localdomain
> NIS domain: (none)

> The following warning/error was logged by the smartd daemon:

> Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.

> For details see host's SYSLOG.

> You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
> Another email message will be sent in 24 hours if the problem persists.

Don't worry. This means the drive manufacturer thinks it is about
time that you buy a new one, but otherwise the drive is fine.

This is a pure uptime count that expires when a pre-set
usage time is reached.

Arno
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[Christian Franke]

Arno wrote:
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Ant<...> wrote:
> ...

>
>> Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.
>
>> For details see host's SYSLOG.
>
>> You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
>> Another email message will be sent in 24 hours if the problem persists.
>

You can add '-i 9' to the smartd.conf entry for this device to suppress
future warning mails.


Smartd reported the failed attribute because VALUE <= THRESH:

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME ... VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE ... WHEN_FAILED RAW...
...
.9 Power_On_Hours ... 001 001 001 Old_age FAILING_NOW 64880

> Don't worry. This means the drive manufacturer thinks it is about
> time that you buy a new one, but otherwise the drive is fine.
>
> This is a pure uptime count that expires when a pre-set
> usage time is reached.
>

Yes. Other attributes look good, even after 64880 hours (7+ years)
uptime :-)


Many recent drives return threshold 0 for Power_On_Hours and all other
usage ("Old_age") attributes which means that these would never "fail".

Christian

[Rod Speed]

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote

> Hi.

Lo.

> Is this error something to worry about quickly

Nope, its an ancient drive which is still working fine.

> (will have to buy a new HDD if it is urgent. but they are expensive due to Thailand's flood :()?

Thats varied significantly world wide. Mine havent
even gone up 10% for some reason, 2TB samsungs
and the cheapest 3TB drives around.

> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:58:13 -0700
> From: root
> To: root
> Subject: SMART error (Usage) detected on host: FooBar

> This email was generated by the smartd daemon running on:

> host name: FooBar
> DNS domain: localdomain
> NIS domain: (none)

> The following warning/error was logged by the smartd daemon:

> Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.

Thats just a fancy way of saying that its a VERY old drive.

Havent seen a fireball in a FUCKING long time now.

All of that is it just saying those values have changed. No big deal.

> This timing seems/appears to be related to my earlier reboot (did not power off) of this very old 2005's Debian box
> due its yesterday's Kernel v2.6.32-5-686 upgrade (not version, just its package with fixes). I had no problems with
> the reboot (but wasn't looking at its screen though).

I dont believe its significant.

Those are all fine.

> SMART Error Log Version: 0
> No Errors Logged
>
> SMART Self-test log structure revision number 0
> Warning: ATA Specification requires self-test log structure revision number = 1
> Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
> # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 63409 -
> # 2 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 58068 -
> # 3 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 54663 -
> # 4 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 53303 -
> # 5 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 46603 -
> # 6 Short offline Completed without error 00% 15067 -
> # 7 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 13222 -
> # 8 Short offline Completed without error 00% 13218 -
> # 9 Short offline Completed without error 00% 8391 -
> #10 Short offline Completed without error 00% 8391 -
>
> Device does not support Selective Self Tests/Logging

> So I decided to run gsmartcontrol v5.41 (GUI version of smartctl) and it also marked Power_On_Hours as a problem.

Again, its just saying its a VERY old drive, no news.

> I ran a long test and it started with loud noises (a fan/motor or something spinning?) for about 30 seconds. That
> doesn't sound good to me.

May just be the power supply fan.

Again, those are fine.

> SMART Error Log Version: 0
> No Errors Logged
>
> SMART Self-test log structure revision number 0
> Warning: ATA Specification requires self-test log structure revision number = 1
> Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
> # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 64880 -
> # 2 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 63409 -
> # 3 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 58068 -
> # 4 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 54663 -
> # 5 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 53303 -
> # 6 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 46603 -
> # 7 Short offline Completed without error 00% 15067 -
> # 8 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 13222 -
> # 9 Short offline Completed without error 00% 13218 -
> #10 Short offline Completed without error 00% 8391 -
> #11 Short offline Completed without error 00% 8391 -

> Device does not support Selective Self Tests/Logging

> Thank you in advance. :)

Still smirking.

[Ant]

Thanks for the replies! I will ignore that one then. :) [smirking for
Rod :P]


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[Franc Zabkar]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:54:39 +0100, Christian Franke
<Christia...@t-online.de> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Other attributes look good, even after 64880 hours (7+ years)
>uptime :-)

My Fujitsu 20GB HDD exceeded its POH threshold long ago. It still has
no reallocated or pending sectors.

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[philo]

On 11/06/2011 01:39 AM, Ant wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Is this error something to worry about quickly (will have to buy a new
> HDD if it is urgent. but they are expensive due to Thailand's flood :()?
>
> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:58:13 -0700
> From: root
> To: root
> Subject: SMART error (Usage) detected on host: FooBar
>

Though the drive is apparently still good...
it does have a lot of hours on it.

I don't know what the flood in Thailand did ...but I just checked NewEgg
and you can get a new hard drive for about 100USD or so.

I'd consider replacing it...but I don't think you have to rush.

OTOH: As long as all your data are backed up
and you keep it backed up. no need to worry

[J G Miller]

On Sunday, November 6th, 2011, at 20:40:38h -0600, Philo advised:

> I'd consider replacing it...but I don't think you have to rush.

It is usually the belief that prices will rise and the rush to buy
that pushes the price up, not the actual shortage.

This happened with rice prices in 2008.

<http://www.npr.ORG/blogs/thesalt/2011/11/02/141771712/how-fear-drove-world-rice-markets-insane>

[GMAN]

In article <j97gf8$8k9$1...@dont-email.me>, philo <ph...@invalid.not> wrote:
>On 11/06/2011 01:39 AM, Ant wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> Is this error something to worry about quickly (will have to buy a new
>> HDD if it is urgent. but they are expensive due to Thailand's flood :()?
>>
>> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:58:13 -0700
>> From: root
>> To: root
>> Subject: SMART error (Usage) detected on host: FooBar
>>
>
>
>Though the drive is apparently still good...
>it does have a lot of hours on it.
>
>I don't know what the flood in Thailand did ...but I just checked NewEgg
>and you can get a new hard drive for about 100USD or so.
>

Yes, but those same hard drives you see for $100 were just $59 weeks ago.

[J G Miller]

On Monday, November 7th, 2011 at 15:26:33h +0000, GMAN wrote:

> Yes, but those same hard drives you see for $100 were just $59 weeks
> ago.

Can you blame the multinational corporations for gouging consumers
on the artificially inflated prices when they have management bonuses
and stockholder dividends to pay?

Remember, it is not the material and manufacturing costs which affect
so much the final price, but what the market will bear -- ie what
walk-in traffic will pay for convenience because they "want it now".

[Bobbie Sellers]

On 11/07/2011 07:26 AM, GMAN wrote:
> In article<j97gf8$8k9$1...@dont-email.me>, philo<ph...@invalid.not> wrote:
>> On 11/06/2011 01:39 AM, Ant wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> Is this error something to worry about quickly (will have to buy a new
>>> HDD if it is urgent. but they are expensive due to Thailand's flood :()?
>>>
>>> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:58:13 -0700
>>> From: root
>>> To: root
>>> Subject: SMART error (Usage) detected on host: FooBar
>>>
>>
>>
>> Though the drive is apparently still good...
>> it does have a lot of hours on it.
>>
>> I don't know what the flood in Thailand did ...but I just checked NewEgg
>> and you can get a new hard drive for about 100USD or so.
>>
>
> Yes, but those same hard drives you see for $100 were just $59 weeks ago.

Yes and I checked places like Geeks.com and the prices were up there as
wekk in the bargain paradise.

>
>
>
>> I'd consider replacing it...but I don't think you have to rush.
>>
>> OTOH: As long as all your data are backed up
>> and you keep it backed up. no need to worry

Until the hard drive it is backed up to starts burping.
Waah! I need another terabyte drive to back up my terabyte
drive.

bliss

[Bobbie Sellers]

Actually it is the result of the flooding of Thailand as far
as I know. The prices are up because the dealers want to make as
much as the customer will pay. And it may be a while until the
Thai operations are up and making the stuff again.

bliss

[J G Miller]

On Monday, November 7th, 2011 at 07:39:51h -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


> Actually it is the result of the flooding of Thailand as far
> as I know.

You are missing the point entirely -- the disks in the stores were
bought at a price and already in the stores and being sold at a price before
the flooding occurred.

The sellers are now charging more for the disks that they had already
bought and so are artificially inflating the prices.

[Bobbie Sellers]

i think I mentioned that in my post.
And it is not a big business conspiracy but
small businesses attempting to make a larger profit,

Well off to vote and Jury Duty et al

bye for now
bliss

[GMAN]

How long have you driven a car? This is what they do with Gas, Coffee , any
food item.

[Ant]

> >> Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.

> >> For details see host's SYSLOG.

> >> You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
> >> Another email message will be sent in 24 hours if the problem persists.

> You can add '-i 9' to the smartd.conf entry for this device to suppress
> future warning mails.

OK. I just got another e-mail about it this morning. I assume it will
keep doing that daily until I stop using that old school IDE/PATA HDD.
:( So, I will tell it to stop telling me about it then. Do I just add
"/dev/sdb -i 9" line (without quotation marks) to the bottom of my
/etc/smartd.conf file? I am not sure if that is correct or not. :)
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> Though the drive is apparently still good...
> it does have a lot of hours on it.

> I don't know what the flood in Thailand did ...but I just checked NewEgg
> and you can get a new hard drive for about 100USD or so.

Hmm, I thought Thailand's flood made prices for HDDs go up due to
shortages.

> I'd consider replacing it...but I don't think you have to rush.

> OTOH: As long as all your data are backed up
> and you keep it backed up. no need to worry

Yeah, I do back up. It is actually my storage drive. Heh.

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[Ant]

> >Other attributes look good, even after 64880 hours (7+ years)
> >uptime :-)

> My Fujitsu 20GB HDD exceeded its POH threshold long ago. It still has
> no reallocated or pending sectors.

How old is yours? I have had other Quantum HDDs in the past, and dang
these are reliable for old ages to me. I used to have a Fireball EX 6.4
GB many years ago that last about a decade, but it got hosed by a
motherboard or PSU burnout. I didn't bother to recover it. My friend
think its cirucit board got hosed from that burnout. :(

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[Christian Franke]

Ant wrote:
>>>> Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.
>
>>>> For details see host's SYSLOG.
>
>>>> You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
>>>> Another email message will be sent in 24 hours if the problem persists.
>
>> You can add '-i 9' to the smartd.conf entry for this device to suppress
>> future warning mails.
>
> OK. I just got another e-mail about it this morning. I assume it will
> keep doing that daily until I stop using that old school IDE/PATA HDD.
> :( So, I will tell it to stop telling me about it then. Do I just add
> "/dev/sdb -i 9" line (without quotation marks) to the bottom of my
> /etc/smartd.conf file? I am not sure if that is correct or not. :)

The "-i 9" option must be added to the already existing "/dev/sdb"
configuration line. If it doesn't exist and DEVICESCAN is used instead,
you could use "DEVICESCAN [...other options...] -i 9". This disables the
warning for all drives. See "man smartd.conf" for details.

[Franc Zabkar]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:08:58 -0600, ANT...@zimage.com (Ant) put finger
to keyboard and composed:

>> >Other attributes look good, even after 64880 hours (7+ years)
>> >uptime :-)
>
>> My Fujitsu 20GB HDD exceeded its POH threshold long ago. It still has
>> no reallocated or pending sectors.
>
>How old is yours?

124 573 799 seconds

= 34,603 hours
= 3.95 years

[Ant]

On 11/7/2011 6:46 PM PT, Franc Zabkar typed:

>>>> Other attributes look good, even after 64880 hours (7+ years)
>>>> uptime :-)
>>
>>> My Fujitsu 20GB HDD exceeded its POH threshold long ago. It still has
>>> no reallocated or pending sectors.
>>
>> How old is yours?
>
> 124 573 799 seconds
>
> = 34,603 hours
> = 3.95 years

Oh bah. I thought yours was older than mine. :P
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On 11/7/2011 1:12 PM PT, Christian Franke typed:

Is there a way to tell smartctl to always ignore this one with -i 9? FYI
if my file:

$ cat /etc/smartd.conf
# Sample configuration file for smartd. See man smartd.conf.

# Home page is: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

# smartd will re-read the configuration file if it receives a HUP
# signal

# The file gives a list of devices to monitor using smartd, with one
# device per line. Text after a hash (#) is ignored, and you may use
# spaces and tabs for white space. You may use '\' to continue lines.

# You can usually identify which hard disks are on your system by
# looking in /proc/ide and in /proc/scsi.

# The word DEVICESCAN will cause any remaining lines in this
# configuration file to be ignored: it tells smartd to scan for all
# ATA and SCSI devices. DEVICESCAN may be followed by any of the
# Directives listed below, which will be applied to all devices that
# are found. Most users should comment out DEVICESCAN and explicitly
# list the devices that they wish to monitor.
DEVICESCAN -d removable -n standby -m root -M exec
/usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner

# Alternative setting to ignore temperature and power-on hours reports
# in syslog.
#DEVICESCAN -I 194 -I 231 -I 9

# Alternative setting to report more useful raw temperature in syslog.
#DEVICESCAN -R 194 -R 231 -I 9

# Alternative setting to report raw temperature changes >= 5 Celsius
# and min/max temperatures.
#DEVICESCAN -I 194 -I 231 -I 9 -W 5

# First (primary) ATA/IDE hard disk. Monitor all attributes, enable
# automatic online data collection, automatic Attribute autosave, and
# start a short self-test every day between 2-3am, and a long self test
# Saturdays between 3-4am.
#/dev/hda -a -o on -S on -s (S/../.././02|L/../../6/03)

# Monitor SMART status, ATA Error Log, Self-test log, and track
# changes in all attributes except for attribute 194
#/dev/hdb -H -l error -l selftest -t -I 194

# Monitor all attributes except normalized Temperature (usually 194),
# but track Temperature changes >= 4 Celsius, report Temperatures
# >= 45 Celsius and changes in Raw value of Reallocated_Sector_Ct (5).
# Send mail on SMART failures or when Temperature is >= 55 Celsius.
#/dev/hdc -a -I 194 -W 4,45,55 -R 5 -m ad...@example.com

# An ATA disk may appear as a SCSI device to the OS. If a SCSI to
# ATA Translation (SAT) layer is between the OS and the device then
# this can be flagged with the '-d sat' option. This situation may
# become common with SATA disks in SAS and FC environments.
# /dev/sda -a -d sat

# A very silent check. Only report SMART health status if it fails
# But send an email in this case
#/dev/hdc -H -C 0 -U 0 -m ad...@example.com

# First two SCSI disks. This will monitor everything that smartd can
# monitor. Start extended self-tests Wednesdays between 6-7pm and
# Sundays between 1-2 am
#/dev/sda -d scsi -s L/../../3/18
#/dev/sdb -d scsi -s L/../../7/01

# Monitor 4 ATA disks connected to a 3ware 6/7/8000 controller which uses
# the 3w-xxxx driver. Start long self-tests Sundays between 1-2, 2-3, 3-4,
# and 4-5 am.
# NOTE: starting with the Linux 2.6 kernel series, the /dev/sdX interface
# is DEPRECATED. Use the /dev/tweN character device interface instead.
# For example /dev/twe0, /dev/twe1, and so on.
#/dev/sdc -d 3ware,0 -a -s L/../../7/01
#/dev/sdc -d 3ware,1 -a -s L/../../7/02
#/dev/sdc -d 3ware,2 -a -s L/../../7/03
#/dev/sdc -d 3ware,3 -a -s L/../../7/04

# Monitor 2 ATA disks connected to a 3ware 9000 controller which
# uses the 3w-9xxx driver (Linux, FreeBSD). Start long self-tests Tuesdays
# between 1-2 and 3-4 am.
#/dev/twa0 -d 3ware,0 -a -s L/../../2/01
#/dev/twa0 -d 3ware,1 -a -s L/../../2/03

# Monitor 2 SATA (not SAS) disks connected to a 3ware 9000 controller which
# uses the 3w-sas driver (Linux, FreeBSD). Start long self-tests Tuesdays
# between 1-2 and 3-4 am.
#/dev/twl0 -d 3ware,0 -a -s L/../../2/01
#/dev/twa0 -d 3ware,1 -a -s L/../../2/03

# Same as above for Windows. Option '-d 3ware,N' is not necessary,
# disk (port) number is specified in device name.
# NOTE: On Windows, DEVICESCAN works also for 3ware controllers.
#/dev/hdc,0 -a -s L/../../2/01
#/dev/hdc,1 -a -s L/../../2/03
#
# Monitor 2 disks connected to the first HP SmartArray controller which
# uses the cciss driver. Start long tests on Sunday nights and short
# self-tests every night and send errors to root
#/dev/cciss/c0d0 -d cciss,0 -a -s (L/../../7/02|S/../.././02) -m root
#/dev/cciss/c0d0 -d cciss,1 -a -s (L/../../7/03|S/../.././03) -m root

# Monitor 3 ATA disks directly connected to a HighPoint RocketRAID.
Start long
# self-tests Sundays between 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 am.
#/dev/sdd -d hpt,1/1 -a -s L/../../7/01
#/dev/sdd -d hpt,1/2 -a -s L/../../7/02
#/dev/sdd -d hpt,1/3 -a -s L/../../7/03

# Monitor 2 ATA disks connected to the same PMPort which connected to the
# HighPoint RocketRAID. Start long self-tests Tuesdays between 1-2 and
3-4 am
#/dev/sdd -d hpt,1/4/1 -a -s L/../../2/01
#/dev/sdd -d hpt,1/4/2 -a -s L/../../2/03

# HERE IS A LIST OF DIRECTIVES FOR THIS CONFIGURATION FILE.
# PLEASE SEE THE smartd.conf MAN PAGE FOR DETAILS
#
# -d TYPE Set the device type: ata, scsi, marvell, removable, 3ware,N,
hpt,L/M/N
# -T TYPE set the tolerance to one of: normal, permissive
# -o VAL Enable/disable automatic offline tests (on/off)
# -S VAL Enable/disable attribute autosave (on/off)
# -n MODE No check. MODE is one of: never, sleep, standby, idle
# -H Monitor SMART Health Status, report if failed
# -l TYPE Monitor SMART log. Type is one of: error, selftest
# -f Monitor for failure of any 'Usage' Attributes
# -m ADD Send warning email to ADD for -H, -l error, -l selftest, and -f
# -M TYPE Modify email warning behavior (see man page)
# -s REGE Start self-test when type/date matches regular expression
(see man page)
# -p Report changes in 'Prefailure' Normalized Attributes
# -u Report changes in 'Usage' Normalized Attributes
# -t Equivalent to -p and -u Directives
# -r ID Also report Raw values of Attribute ID with -p, -u or -t
# -R ID Track changes in Attribute ID Raw value with -p, -u or -t
# -i ID Ignore Attribute ID for -f Directive
# -I ID Ignore Attribute ID for -p, -u or -t Directive
# -C ID Report if Current Pending Sector count non-zero
# -U ID Report if Offline Uncorrectable count non-zero
# -W D,I,C Monitor Temperature D)ifference, I)nformal limit, C)ritical
limit
# -v N,ST Modifies labeling of Attribute N (see man page)
# -a Default: equivalent to -H -f -t -l error -l selftest -C 197
-U 198
# -F TYPE Use firmware bug workaround. Type is one of: none, samsung
# -P TYPE Drive-specific presets: use, ignore, show, showall
# # Comment: text after a hash sign is ignored
# \ Line continuation character
# Attribute ID is a decimal integer 1 <= ID <= 255
# except for -C and -U, where ID = 0 turns them off.
# All but -d, -m and -M Directives are only implemented for ATA devices
#
# If the test string DEVICESCAN is the first uncommented text
# then smartd will scan for devices /dev/hd[a-l] and /dev/sd[a-z]
# DEVICESCAN may be followed by any desired Directives.

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