Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
XYLOPHONE
I'm trying to connect a laptop IDE hard drive onto a PC and
read it.
I'm using an IDE laptop to desktop drive adaptor. I connect this
adaptor into the laptop drive's pins, and then the PCs power connector
and IDE cable to it.
I turn on the PC, but hear no power in the drive. Motor doesn't spin.
I hear nothing.
I tried with many laptop drives, and I can't get the motor spinning on
any one of them.
I tried the connector both ways, so if it's upside down, it would have
worked the other way.
Any idea to read that drive?
The reason why doing this is I've got a laptor with password on
Windows, and password on BIOS. So I want to format the drive with the
PC, then put it back in the laptop, and in some way, clear BIOS
password as well.
Thanks for any help.
Luc
Rod Speed
> I'm trying to connect a laptop IDE hard drive onto a PC and read it.
> I'm using an IDE laptop to desktop drive adaptor.
> I connect this adaptor into the laptop drive's pins, and
> then the PCs power connector and IDE cable to it.
> I turn on the PC, but hear no power in the drive.
> Motor doesn't spin. I hear nothing.
> I tried with many laptop drives, and I can't
> get the motor spinning on any one of them.
That likey indicates that the drives arent getting power.
> I tried the connector both ways, so if it's upside
> down, it would have worked the other way.
> Any idea to read that drive?
You do realise that the laptop drive gets its power on the pins on the
end of that connector dont you ? The 2.5/3.5" adapter shoud have a
power connector on pins at the end of the connector and you need to
connect that to the PC molex power connector, the nylon 4 pin connector.
If you had that initially, you may have killed the drive by connecting it backwards.
> The reason why doing this is I've got a laptor with password on Windows,
> and password on BIOS. So I want to format the drive with the PC, then
> put it back in the laptop, and in some way, clear BIOS password as well.
Its rather more complicated than that if the ATA password has been set on the drive.
Anssi Saari
> I turn on the PC, but hear no power in the drive. Motor doesn't spin.
> I hear nothing.
Laptop drives can be very quiet so you might not hear them spin up.
But there is a slight vibration you can usually feel.
> I tried with many laptop drives, and I can't get the motor spinning on
> any one of them.
> I tried the connector both ways, so if it's upside down, it would have
> worked the other way.
If you connected the drive wrong the first time, the adaptor may
be broken now. It's been a while, but this happened to me once, one of
the leads on the adapter blew, but a little solder fixed it... And
after that I at least knew which way was not the right way.
Ato_Zee
On 16-Jul-2009, Anssi Saari <a...@sci.fi> wrote:
> > I tried with many laptop drives, and I can't get the motor spinning on
> > any one of them.
> > I tried the connector both ways, so if it's upside down, it would have
> > worked the other way.
>
> If you connected the drive wrong the first time, the adaptor may
> be broken now.
Next step is to put one of the laptop drives back in the
laptop to see if it still works, does it?
If not, it is possible that the drive has been damaged by
being wrongly connected.
If the drive is OK (recognised in BIOS) back in the
laptop then maybe the adapter is not powering the drive.
You can Google for the pinouts of laptop and desktop
drives, and determining pin 1 of ribbon cables, (even if
not initially marked) by reference to the motherboard
plug is not too difficult.
With regards to tracing the power from the Molex
to the drive, that needs a cheap meter with DC
volts, then you can check voltages at the connector that
mates with and powers the drive.
Arno
> Hello,
> I'm trying to connect a laptop IDE hard drive onto a PC and
> read it.
> I'm using an IDE laptop to desktop drive adaptor. I connect this
> adaptor into the laptop drive's pins, and then the PCs power connector
> and IDE cable to it.
Ok.
> I turn on the PC, but hear no power in the drive. Motor doesn't spin.
> I hear nothing.
> I tried with many laptop drives, and I can't get the motor spinning on
> any one of them.
Suspicuous.
> I tried the connector both ways, so if it's upside down, it would have
> worked the other way.
Thoretically this should not kill the drive because most manufacturers
disconnect the ground pins on the other side of the connector to
allow this. But you should avoid it nonetheless.
> Any idea to read that drive?
First, it is possible the PC has an issue, e.g permanent reset or
the like. The drives should auto-spin (unless they were explicitely
set not to) if you just apply power and not connect the IDE cable.
It is possible you did kill them all with the reversed adapter, but
I doubt it. Also notice that laptop drives can be very quiet.
> The reason why doing this is I've got a laptor with password on
> Windows, and password on BIOS. So I want to format the drive with the
> PC, then put it back in the laptop, and in some way, clear BIOS
> password as well.
Ah, do you have perhaps a _drive_ password in the BIOS? E.g.
ThinkPads do this as theft prevention. It basically makes the drive
and PC worthless. You can get access to the data, but expect to pay a
lot. In this case you can also forget aboit clearing the BIOS
password, its in the TPM and very difficult and expensive to clear,
possibly several hundred or thousand times the machines residual
worth. This could also explain why the drive does not spin.
Arno
Fred
Doesnt explain why NONE of the laptop drives spin in the desktop system.
Its MUCH more likely that none of them are getting any power for some reason.
Arno
Hmm. The password thing does not. However a damaged PC controller
could.
> Its MUCH more likely that none of them are getting any power for
> some reason.
It is. That being the obvious first thing to check, I refrained
from commenting on it.
Arno
Fred
Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
completely dead and clearly the boot drive is still working fine.
Trent
Message id: <7ca0okF...@mid.individual.net>:
>Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
>completely dead
Not always true.
XYLOPHONE
The main issue here is to be able to use the laptop. I don't care
about
data on the drive.
To give more clues, here is in more details what I notice.
- The drive works when I put it back in the laptop.
- Booting the laptop with a different drive, known to boot on another
laptop, gives a blank screen with cursor in top left corner, and
freezes, probably because wrong BIOS setting since different type/
brand, but BIOS is not accessible.
- Booting from floppy or CD fails. BIOS probably bypasses those boots,
and is not accessible.
- Booting with the original drive brings XP, but asks for password in
all cases (safe mode, command line as well).
So I can't even just get to a DOS prompt, because I once found on
Internet a way to clear BIOS password using DEBUG commands, in the
case just a floppy boot would allow to attempt. I did not consider
opening the laptop and trying to find the CMOS battery or jumper,
because I don't know exactly where it is and don't want to damage
anything by accident.
I'm also puzzled about the adaptor, why no power is felt. I know
laptop drives are quiet, but I really felt nothing, not even a tiny
vibration. The adaptor has a 44-hole female end that matches the 44
pins on the laptop drive. However there are 4 more pins on the laptop
drive that are not covered by the adaptor, which are separated from
the rest by a space. Since IDE is normally 40 pins, I assume the power
is already included in the 44-pins covered, and the 4 extra pins (not
covered by adaptor) are for jumpers. (Anyways, if this had been power,
how would I connect since it's not covered by adaptor?). The other end
of the adaptor gives a standard 40-pin male IDE which is into the IDE
cable to controller, and there is are extra 2 wires for power that
lead to a separate white plastic connector that connects to the
standard large 4-hole power connector. However only 2 of these are
wired: the red and the black, as opposed to other desktop devices
which uses 4 wires for power. I assume it's enough to power the laptop
drive.
Again, thanks for any advice on the laptop issue, and the adaptor
mystery.
Arno
> Not always true.
Well, when it is completely dead, then yes. But these things never
die completely and often assert some funky signals like a permanent
reset.
Arno
Arno
> The main issue here is to be able to use the laptop. I don't care
> about data on the drive.
Ok, makes things a bit easier.
> To give more clues, here is in more details what I notice.
> - The drive works when I put it back in the laptop.
Good. That means these drives do not get killed by a turned
connector.
> - Booting the laptop with a different drive, known to boot on another
> laptop, gives a blank screen with cursor in top left corner, and
> freezes, probably because wrong BIOS setting since different type/
> brand, but BIOS is not accessible.
That would only happen with a very old BIOS. Today they are typically
set to auto-detect.
> - Booting from floppy or CD fails. BIOS probably bypasses those boots,
> and is not accessible.
> - Booting with the original drive brings XP, but asks for password in
> all cases (safe mode, command line as well).
Strange. Are you sure you cannot access the BIOS? Maybe some
non-standard key combination that is not displayed on bootup?
As you say XP boots, which means the BIOS itself is not damaged.
> So I can't even just get to a DOS prompt, because I once found on
> Internet a way to clear BIOS password using DEBUG commands, in the
> case just a floppy boot would allow to attempt. I did not consider
> opening the laptop and trying to find the CMOS battery or jumper,
> because I don't know exactly where it is and don't want to damage
> anything by accident.
Hmm. It is possible you will have to go that way in the end. But
not yet, I think.
> I'm also puzzled about the adaptor, why no power is felt. I know
> laptop drives are quiet, but I really felt nothing, not even a tiny
> vibration. The adaptor has a 44-hole female end that matches the 44
> pins on the laptop drive. However there are 4 more pins on the laptop
> drive that are not covered by the adaptor, which are separated from
> the rest by a space.
These are for factory testing. Ignore them.
> Since IDE is normally 40 pins, I assume the power
> is already included in the 44-pins covered, and the 4 extra pins (not
> covered by adaptor) are for jumpers.
Yes.
> (Anyways, if this had been power,
> how would I connect since it's not covered by adaptor?).
;-)
> The other end
> of the adaptor gives a standard 40-pin male IDE which is into the IDE
> cable to controller, and there is are extra 2 wires for power that
> lead to a separate white plastic connector that connects to the
> standard large 4-hole power connector.
Fairly standard.
> However only 2 of these are
> wired: the red and the black, as opposed to other desktop devices
> which uses 4 wires for power. I assume it's enough to power the laptop
> drive.
It is not about "enough" power. It is just that at some time
it was decided to have 2.5" drives only use 5V, as that makes
laptop design easier. You pay a small speed penalty for that.
And it makes everything a bit more expensive.
> Again, thanks for any advice on the laptop issue, and the adaptor
> mystery.
Can you check that the power conector is actually working?
One way is to not plug the adapter into the ribbon cable, just
connect the power. The laptop drive should auto-spin then.
On the data connection, you can plug this in frongly in two
places:
- Adapter-to-drive
- Adapter-to-ribbon cable.
The second option would give power to the drive correctly but
would ground several signal lines, which could prevent the drive
from spinning. Doing it wrong on both sides prevents the drive
from getting power, so also no spin.
Incidentially, for some cables (no "nose" on the connector)
you can in addition plug it in in the wrong orientation on the
mainboard side with much the same effect as the second option.
Here is the way to figure out orientation (I know, this
is horribly faultu design...):
1. Find pin 1 on the ribbon cable. It is on the side that
has a marked wire
If that fails, look for the side of the connector that
has a nose in the middle. Pin 1 is left if the nose is up
and the cable side is away from you. If there is no
nose, look carefully, you can often see markings on the
connector where it was supposed to be. The other side will
be smooth.
2. Find pin 1 on your HDD. On most HDDs it is marked.
However the connector is standardized. Place the disk
PCB down, top up with the connector towards you.
Pin 1 is on the right side.
3. The adapter. This is easiest, pin 1 is on the opposite end
from the power connection.
If all is connected right, remove the ribbon cable from the
adapter and just connect power (allways do this with no power
to the computer!) and see whether the disk spins on power up.
If it does, try again with ribbon cable. If not, you power
connector is likely broken somehow.
There will be more steps after this because of the BIOS
trouble, but this is first.
Arno
> On Jul 16, 3:00?pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> XYLOPHONE wrote
>>
>> > I'm trying to connect a laptop IDE hard drive onto a PC and read it.
>> > I'm using an IDE laptop to desktop drive adaptor.
>> > I connect this adaptor into the laptop drive's pins, and
>> > then the PCs power connector and IDE cable to it.
>> > I turn on the PC, but hear no power in the drive.
>> > Motor doesn't spin. I hear nothing.
>> > I tried with many laptop drives, and I can't
>> > get the motor spinning on any one of them.
>>
>> That likey indicates that the drives arent getting power.
>>
>> > I tried the connector both ways, so if it's upside
>> > down, it would have worked the other way.
>> > Any idea to read that drive?
>>
>> You do realise that the laptop drive gets its power on the pins on the
>> end of that connector dont you ? ?The 2.5/3.5" adapter shoud have a
Fred
> Fred <fr...@nospam.com> wrote
>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is completely dead
> Not always true.
Fraid so when he gets that with multiple laptop drives.
Rod Speed
> Thanks for all your replies.
> The main issue here is to be able to use the laptop.
> I don't care about data on the drive.
Still not necessarily all that easy if the drive has an ATA password.
Certainly the ATA password system does allow resetting of the
password with loss of all the data, but it isnt necessarily that
easy to rest that type of password if thats what has been set.
> To give more clues, here is in more details what I notice.
> - The drive works when I put it back in the laptop.
Fine, then you havent killed it.
> - Booting the laptop with a different drive, known to boot on
> another laptop, gives a blank screen with cursor in top left
> corner, and freezes, probably because wrong BIOS setting
> since different type/brand, but BIOS is not accessible.
Nope, more likely thats the result you often get when the motherboard
chipset is different to the one that the OS was installed to use. You should
be able to do a repair install of the OS to get that drive booting in that laptop.
It may well be that access to the bios needs the appropriate
stuff on the hard drive in the maintenance partition and that
isnt there when you are using a drive from a different laptop.
Academic tho as far as being able to use the original laptop drive again.
> - Booting from floppy or CD fails. BIOS probably
> bypasses those boots, and is not accessible.
Likely due to the same problem above.
> - Booting with the original drive brings XP, but asks for
> password in all cases (safe mode, command line as well).
Thats normal and has to be done that way otherwise the password is pretty useless.
You never did say exactly what the laptop is, that info may well be
useful, particularly in deciding whether its using an ATA password
on the drive and how to reset that with loss of data on the drive.
> So I can't even just get to a DOS prompt, because I once found on
> Internet a way to clear BIOS password using DEBUG commands,
> in the case just a floppy boot would allow to attempt.
You sure its for that particular laptop ? Its pretty
unusual for a laptop bios password resetting.
> I did not consider opening the laptop and trying to find the
> CMOS battery or jumper, because I don't know exactly
> where it is and don't want to damage anything by accident.
It can be pretty safe with some laptops and
not even documented on the net with others.
> I'm also puzzled about the adaptor, why no power is felt.
I bet thats crucial, you should be seeing the drive spin up, tho some
laptop drives dont spin up until they get the ATA password. That doesnt
explain why no laptop drive spins up in the desktop tho, the other laptop
drives dont have any password set, so should spin up in the desktop.
I'd concentrate on this because its almost certainly the problem.
> I know laptop drives are quiet, but I really felt nothing, not even a tiny vibration.
Yeah, thats the correct way to check, you should be
able to feel it spin up even if its too quiet to hear.
> The adaptor has a 44-hole female end that matches the 44
> pins on the laptop drive. However there are 4 more pins on the
> laptop drive that are not covered by the adaptor, which are
> separated from the rest by a space. Since IDE is normally 40 pins,
> I assume the power is already included in the 44-pins covered,
Correct.
> and the 4 extra pins (not covered by adaptor) are for jumpers.
Usually correct. What is the drive model number from the sticker on the drive ?
> (Anyways, if this had been power, how would
> I connect since it's not covered by adaptor?).
Also correct.
> The other end of the adaptor gives a standard 40-pin male IDE
> which is into the IDE cable to controller, and there is are extra
> 2 wires for power that lead to a separate white plastic connector
> that connects to the standard large 4-hole power connector.
That last is what I called the molex connector.
> However only 2 of these are wired: the red and the black, as
> opposed to other desktop devices which uses 4 wires for power.
Thats normal. Laptop drives only need 5V, they dont use 12V
which is the other colored wire. The two black wires are ground.
> I assume it's enough to power the laptop drive.
Should be, but all the evidence suggests that the laptop drives arent
getting any power since none of them spin up when used on that adapter.
> Again, thanks for any advice on the laptop issue, and the adaptor mystery.
Its possible the adapter power wires are miswired if you havent used it successfully before.
Its more common for the problem to be with the pins in the white molex connector,
which holes the pins have been put in. They should be in the holes that match with
the red and black wires in the molex connector in the desktop system.
The pin useage of the 44 pin connector is here
http://pinouts.ru/HD/Ata44Internal_pinout.shtml
One possibility is that the 5V line needs to be connected to two pins in the 44 pin connector,
both pins 41 and 42. Its possible its only connected to one of them in the adapter.
Fred
That possibility can be eliminated by unplugging the ribbon
cable from the adapter but still leaving the power connected.
Fred
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc XYLOPHONE <rhub...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Thanks for all your replies.
>
>> The main issue here is to be able to use the laptop. I don't care
>> about data on the drive.
>
> Ok, makes things a bit easier.
>
>> To give more clues, here is in more details what I notice.
>
>> - The drive works when I put it back in the laptop.
>
> Good. That means these drives do not get killed by a turned
> connector.
>
>> - Booting the laptop with a different drive, known to boot on another
>> laptop, gives a blank screen with cursor in top left corner, and
>> freezes, probably because wrong BIOS setting since different type/
>> brand, but BIOS is not accessible.
>
> That would only happen with a very old BIOS. Today they are typically
> set to auto-detect.
Thats not correct. You will get exactly that symptom with XP when the
motherboard chipset is different enough to the one which XP was installed
for, because the boot cant see the drive properly and so cant boot XP.
The fix for that is a repair install of XP.
>> - Booting from floppy or CD fails. BIOS probably bypasses those
>> boots, and is not accessible.
>> - Booting with the original drive brings XP, but asks for password in
>> all cases (safe mode, command line as well).
> Strange. Are you sure you cannot access the BIOS? Maybe some
> non-standard key combination that is not displayed on bootup?
Or the bios screen uses stuff off the laptop drive and that isnt there
when its a drive out of a different laptop. Thats pretty common.
> As you say XP boots, which means the BIOS itself is not damaged.
Yes, but with a drive from a different laptop, it may well not have
what it needs to show the bios config stuff for a floppy or CD boot.
>> So I can't even just get to a DOS prompt, because I once found on
>> Internet a way to clear BIOS password using DEBUG commands, in the
>> case just a floppy boot would allow to attempt. I did not consider
>> opening the laptop and trying to find the CMOS battery or jumper,
>> because I don't know exactly where it is and don't want to damage
>> anything by accident.
>
> Hmm. It is possible you will have to go that way in the end. But
> not yet, I think.
It might be a good way to reset the password and have the
drive wipe itself if its got an ATA password set in the drive.
>> I'm also puzzled about the adaptor, why no power is felt. I know
>> laptop drives are quiet, but I really felt nothing, not even a tiny
>> vibration. The adaptor has a 44-hole female end that matches the 44
>> pins on the laptop drive. However there are 4 more pins on the laptop
>> drive that are not covered by the adaptor, which are separated from
>> the rest by a space.
> These are for factory testing. Ignore them.
Not always true. Quite a few laptop drives do have normal jumpers too.
Arno
> Arno wrote:
>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc XYLOPHONE <rhub...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Thanks for all your replies.
>>
>>> The main issue here is to be able to use the laptop. I don't care
>>> about data on the drive.
>>
>> Ok, makes things a bit easier.
>>
>>> To give more clues, here is in more details what I notice.
>>
>>> - The drive works when I put it back in the laptop.
>>
>> Good. That means these drives do not get killed by a turned
>> connector.
>>
>>> - Booting the laptop with a different drive, known to boot on another
>>> laptop, gives a blank screen with cursor in top left corner, and
>>> freezes, probably because wrong BIOS setting since different type/
>>> brand, but BIOS is not accessible.
>>
>> That would only happen with a very old BIOS. Today they are typically
>> set to auto-detect.
> Thats not correct. You will get exactly that symptom with XP when the
> motherboard chipset is different enough to the one which XP was installed
> for, because the boot cant see the drive properly and so cant boot XP.
> The fix for that is a repair install of XP.
Natually I assume the freeze is before the BIOS completes its
run.
>>> - Booting from floppy or CD fails. BIOS probably bypasses those
>>> boots, and is not accessible.
>>> - Booting with the original drive brings XP, but asks for password in
>>> all cases (safe mode, command line as well).
>> Strange. Are you sure you cannot access the BIOS? Maybe some
>> non-standard key combination that is not displayed on bootup?
> Or the bios screen uses stuff off the laptop drive and that isnt there
> when its a drive out of a different laptop. Thats pretty common.
That sounds like utter nonsense and I have never heard of such a
thing. Proof or reference please.
>> As you say XP boots, which means the BIOS itself is not damaged.
> Yes, but with a drive from a different laptop, it may well not have
> what it needs to show the bios config stuff for a floppy or CD boot.
See above.
Arno
Arno
... which I have suggested some postings before but the OP has
not yet reported results on this.
Arno
Fred
Bad assumption. You dont necessarily get anything visible with a laptop bios.
>>>> - Booting from floppy or CD fails. BIOS probably bypasses those
>>>> boots, and is not accessible.
>>>> - Booting with the original drive brings XP, but asks for password
>>>> in all cases (safe mode, command line as well).
>
>>> Strange. Are you sure you cannot access the BIOS? Maybe some
>>> non-standard key combination that is not displayed on bootup?
>
>> Or the bios screen uses stuff off the laptop drive and that isnt
>> there when its a drive out of a different laptop. Thats pretty
>> common.
> That sounds like utter nonsense
Then you need to get your ears tested, bad.
> and I have never heard of such a thing.
Then you need to get out more.
> Proof or reference please.
Any decent maintenance manual of a laptop that does it like that.
>>> As you say XP boots, which means the BIOS itself is not damaged.
>
>> Yes, but with a drive from a different laptop, it may well not have
>> what it needs to show the bios config stuff for a floppy or CD boot.
> See above.
See above. Its done like that so the menu stuff is much more configurable.
Fred
No you didnt until much later.
> but the OP has not yet reported results on this.
He's only posted twice so far.
Ato_Zee
> >>> Strange. Are you sure you cannot access the BIOS? Maybe some
> >>> non-standard key combination that is not displayed on bootup?
> >
> >> Or the bios screen uses stuff off the laptop drive and that isnt
> >> there when its a drive out of a different laptop. Thats pretty
> >> common.
>
> > That sounds like utter nonsense
You can, with most motherboards, build on a benchtop with
no drives, and still access BIOS. The BIOS reports the fitted
RAM, and at the end of its self test, the BIOS reports
"No system found".
Could we have the make and model of the laptop?
Some BIOS's do not use the usual DEL key to
access the BIOS screen.
I suspect some mfrs try to deter users from fiddling
with the BIOS settings, and do this by choosing
an unusual key combination to access BIOS.
Rod Speed
> Fred <fr...@nospam.com> wrote
>> Arno wrote
>>> Fred <fr...@nospam.com> wrote
>>>> Arno wrote
>>>>> Strange. Are you sure you cannot access the BIOS? Maybe some
>>>>> non-standard key combination that is not displayed on bootup?
>>>> Or the bios screen uses stuff off the laptop drive and that isnt
>>>> there when its a drive out of a different laptop. Thats pretty
>>>> common.
>>> That sounds like utter nonsense
> You can, with most motherboards, build on a benchtop
We arent talking about a benchtop, we are talking about a laptop.
There are few laptops with hard drives that dont have a maintenance/bios
partition on the hard drive and so it makes sense to do the bios menu stuff
on that partition where there's a lot more space for a decent UI etc.
> with no drives, and still access BIOS. The BIOS reports the fitted
> RAM, and at the end of its self test, the BIOS reports
> "No system found".
Laptops do that differently.
> Could we have the make and model of the laptop?
> Some BIOS's do not use the usual DEL key to access the BIOS screen.
> I suspect some mfrs try to deter users from fiddling
> with the BIOS settings, and do this by choosing
> an unusual key combination to access BIOS.
And some dont show the user anything boot option wise if the hard drive
is missing or unrecognised because its a drive out of a different laptop.
Ato_Zee
> And some dont show the user anything boot option wise if the hard drive
> is missing or unrecognised because its a drive out of a different laptop.
So if the HD dies, it's no boot, and no access to any recovery partition,
the laptop becomes an expensive brick?
Ever tried to get mfr. service for a laptop that is a few years old
and (often just) out of warranty?
Even getting batteries is a pain in the arse, all you can find are
generics, often of suspect quality.
Forget it.
Rod Speed
>> And some [laptops] dont show the user anything boot option wise if the hard
>> drive is missing or unrecognised because its a drive out of a different laptop.
> So if the HD dies, it's no boot, and no access to any
> recovery partition, the laptop becomes an expensive brick?
Nope, you just put in a replacement drive with the recovery partition on it.
And thats completely trivial to do if you did a full image of the physical drive before
it died. You just put that back on the replacement drive in a desktop system etc.
Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
> Ever tried to get mfr. service for a laptop that is
> a few years old and (often just) out of warranty?
Yep.
> Even getting batteries is a pain in the arse, all you can find are generics,
Wrong. I've done that repeatedly.
> often of suspect quality. Forget it.
No need if its a decent brand of laptop that got a lot of battery
support and which uses the same battery in a lot of its models.
Just did it with a Compaq.
Trent
Message id: <7cbrodF...@mid.individual.net>:
Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion. If #reset is
being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the drive will not spin up.
Fred
>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is completely dead
>>> Not always true.
>> Fraid so when he gets that with multiple laptop drives.
> Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion.
More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.
> If #reset is being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the drive will not spin up.
Wrong, as always.
If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting #reset, stupid.
XYLOPHONE
Here are even more details on my issue, and other experiments I did.
LAPTOP HD ON PC W/ADAPTOR:
- I have tried removing the data cable, and leaving only the power on.
Still no spin or motor sound or even vibrations (My ears are good, can
make difference between music on vinyl and CD). Furthermore, the
desktop BIOS detects no IDE drive. I borrow the cable end from the HD
which is normally in that PC.
ON THE LAPTOP:
- The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
using Pentium 4.
- The key sequence is CTRL-F10 (I think, because I quickly press many
keys), and when the BIOS is supposed to arrive, a small blue box
appears asking for a password. It gives 3 chances and everything
freezes on 3rd fail.
- There is 1 drive slot, I tried sliding both a Floppy and DVD drive.
In all cases, no boot, but the drive whirr once (floppy) or the CD in
drive spins up to full speed for a while, then slows down to low speed
and finally stops. This lets me think the drive (DVD or Floppy) is
tested in POST, but is not attempting to boot.
- I found 2 USB floppy drives. I tried both, and same thing. It's
POSTed, but apparently not trying to boot.
- While doing all these tests, I try the laptop with NO HD to see what
happens, and I get a strange message "Non-system disk or disk error,
replace and strike any key". This is strange, because it doesn't
attempt to boot from anything (afaik) but the message is exactly the
one of the boot sector of typical DOS/WINdows non-bootable disk. In
reality, it would somehow boot even if only to write that message. Or
it is an EXACT replica of that message in some kind of ROM or flash
memory. Now I just tried it with no floppy, no CD, no HD, and still
same message. If I press a key, it quickly disappears and reappears,
but nothing whirrs or light up even if there is a floppy or CD.
- And if I put the original XP HD it boots to that password no matter
boot option chosen, and the HD from other laptop just freezes with
cursor on top left, as I said in earlier post.
Any ideas?
Knowing the model, if anyone knows how to access CMOS battery or
jumper on motherboard, I could go that way, but I still keep this as
the last solution.
Thanks, again...
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Fred" <f...@nospam.com>
Date: Jul 17, 8:50 pm
Subject: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
Arno wrote:
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Fred <f...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Arno wrote:
>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Trent <n...@dev.null.pissoff>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:00:01 +1000 "Fred" <f...@nospam.com> wrote
>>>> in Message id: <7ca0okF25i0c...@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
>>>>> completely dead
>>>> Not always true.
>>> Well, when it is completely dead, then yes. But these things never
>>> die completely and often assert some funky signals like a permanent
>>> reset.
>> That possibility can be eliminated by unplugging the ribbon
>> cable from the adapter but still leaving the power connected.
> ... which I have suggested some postings before
No you didnt until much later.
> but the OP has not yet reported results on this.
He's only posted twice so far.- Hide quoted text -
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Ato_Zee
On 20-Jul-2009, XYLOPHONE <rhub...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ON THE LAPTOP:
> - The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
> using Pentium 4.
In that case your starting point might be
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Home.jsp?locale=en_US&prodTypeId=321957&prodSeriesId=316692&submit.y=5&submit.x=9&lang=en&cc=us
Which is the HP site and troubleshooting place for that model.
With PDF manuals
Let us know if you sort it.
Rod Speed
> Here are even more details on my issue, and other experiments I did.
> LAPTOP HD ON PC W/ADAPTOR:
> - I have tried removing the data cable, and leaving only the
> power on. Still no spin or motor sound or even vibrations
Feeling the drive with your hand is the best test for a spinup.
If it doesnt spinup in that config, there is some fundamental
problem with the adapter powering the drive.
> (My ears are good, can make difference between music on vinyl and CD).
That doesnt say anything useful about how well you can hear very quiet sounds.
> Furthermore, the desktop BIOS detects no IDE drive.
Thats because it never spins up.
> I borrow the cable end from the HD which is normally in that PC.
> ON THE LAPTOP:
> - The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
> using Pentium 4.
That can set an ATA password in the drive.
The maintenance manual calls it a DriveLock password.
That means that the drive cant be used even if its removed from the laptop.
> - The key sequence is CTRL-F10
F10 actually.
> (I think, because I quickly press many keys), and when the BIOS
> is supposed to arrive, a small blue box appears asking for a
> password. It gives 3 chances and everything freezes on 3rd fail.
> - There is 1 drive slot, I tried sliding both a Floppy and DVD drive.
> In all cases, no boot, but the drive whirr once (floppy) or the CD in
> drive spins up to full speed for a while, then slows down to low speed
> and finally stops. This lets me think the drive (DVD or Floppy) is
> tested in POST, but is not attempting to boot.
It may not be set to boot either.
> - I found 2 USB floppy drives. I tried both, and same thing. It's
> POSTed, but apparently not trying to boot.
> - While doing all these tests, I try the laptop with NO HD to see what
> happens, and I get a strange message "Non-system disk or disk error,
> replace and strike any key".
Nothing strange about that.
> This is strange, because it doesn't attempt to boot from anything (afaik)
It clearly does and that is why you get that
message when there is no hard drive present.
> but the message is exactly the one of the boot
> sector of typical DOS/WINdows non-bootable disk.
Its the classic bios error message with no hard
drive present and nothing else to boot from.
> In reality, it would somehow boot even if only to write that message.
What ?
> Or it is an EXACT replica of that message in some kind of ROM or flash memory.
Yes, its what most bios report with nothing that can be booted.
> Now I just tried it with no floppy, no CD, no HD, and still same message.
Because there is nothing it can boot from.
> If I press a key, it quickly disappears and reappears,
> but nothing whirrs or light up even if there is a floppy or CD.
It may not have them in the boot list.
> - And if I put the original XP HD it boots to
> that password no matter boot option chosen,
Thats normal with a bios password set. It wont
do anything until you enter the correct password.
> and the HD from other laptop just freezes with
> cursor on top left, as I said in earlier post.
> Any ideas?
> Knowing the model, if anyone knows how to access CMOS battery or
> jumper on motherboard, I could go that way, but I still keep this as
> the last solution.
http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01134170/c01134170.pdf
Section 1.3 tells you how to clear the cmos and reset the passwords.
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DocumentIndex.jsp?contentType=SupportManual&lang=en&cc=us&docIndexId=64179&taskId=101&prodTypeId=321957&prodSeriesId=316692
has all the manuals.
Arno
> Here are even more details on my issue, and other experiments I did.
> LAPTOP HD ON PC W/ADAPTOR:
> - I have tried removing the data cable, and leaving only the power on.
> Still no spin or motor sound or even vibrations (My ears are good, can
> make difference between music on vinyl and CD). Furthermore, the
> desktop BIOS detects no IDE drive. I borrow the cable end from the HD
> which is normally in that PC.
Hmm. It seems very likely the disk does not get power. Maybe your
adapter is broken.
> ON THE LAPTOP:
> - The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
> using Pentium 4.
> - The key sequence is CTRL-F10 (I think, because I quickly press many
> keys), and when the BIOS is supposed to arrive, a small blue box
> appears asking for a password. It gives 3 chances and everything
> freezes on 3rd fail.
That may be a BIOS setup password.
> - There is 1 drive slot, I tried sliding both a Floppy and DVD drive.
> In all cases, no boot, but the drive whirr once (floppy) or the CD in
> drive spins up to full speed for a while, then slows down to low speed
> and finally stops. This lets me think the drive (DVD or Floppy) is
> tested in POST, but is not attempting to boot.
Likely correct.
> - I found 2 USB floppy drives. I tried both, and same thing. It's
> POSTed, but apparently not trying to boot.
Likely not it the BOOT sequence in the BIOS setup.
> - While doing all these tests, I try the laptop with NO HD to see what
> happens, and I get a strange message "Non-system disk or disk error,
> replace and strike any key".
That is the standard message, if none of the configured boot
devices are detected. It your case it looks as if the machine
is set to only boot from HDD. Generally this does not allow
diagnostics in case of problems, as you are finding out. The
typical fix is to go into the BIOS setup (which does not
require the HDD or anything, just possibly the BIOS setup
password) and configure an additionsl boot device.
> This is strange, because it doesn't
> attempt to boot from anything (afaik) but the message is exactly the
> one of the boot sector of typical DOS/WINdows non-bootable disk. In
> reality, it would somehow boot even if only to write that message. Or
> it is an EXACT replica of that message in some kind of ROM or flash
> memory. Now I just tried it with no floppy, no CD, no HD, and still
> same message. If I press a key, it quickly disappears and reappears,
> but nothing whirrs or light up even if there is a floppy or CD.
Not strange, but likely nothing but the HDD is configured to be
bootable.
> - And if I put the original XP HD it boots to that password no matter
> boot option chosen, and the HD from other laptop just freezes with
> cursor on top left, as I said in earlier post.
> Any ideas?
You could try to copy the XP installation to a different disk
in order to determine whether the laptop BIOS is expecting
this particular disk or just the system on it.
> Knowing the model, if anyone knows how to access CMOS battery or
> jumper on motherboard, I could go that way, but I still keep this as
> the last solution.
> Thanks, again...
Here are some references that may describe your issue:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080320220803AAJzJNM
http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01134170/c01134170.pdf
It seems this thing can be locked and that others went the way
of disconnecting the CMOS battery. The third link is the
"Maintenance and Service guide", that seems to be what
you are looking for, see Section 5.17.
Arno
Trent
Message id: <7cis8vF...@mid.individual.net>:
>Trent wrote
>> Fred <fr...@nospam.com> wrote
>>> Trent wrote
>>>> Fred <fr...@nospam.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is completely dead
>
>>>> Not always true.
>
>>> Fraid so when he gets that with multiple laptop drives.
>
>> Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion.
>
>More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.
Don't give a fuck about the OP problem, just your idiotic incorrect
assertion, dick-less.
>> If #reset is being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the drive will not spin up.
>
>Wrong, as always.
Nope. Go ahead and try it, shitlips. Short #reset to GND and power up the
motherboard; the drive will *not* spin up.
>If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting #reset, stupid.
Now and again one has to apply the Ruler of Reason to the Knuckles of
Stupidity. If the PATA port is completely dead, #reset could be driven or
not. No one can say, you numb, flatulent fuck.
Fred
> On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:38:37 +1000 "Fred" <fr...@nospam.com> wrote in
> Message id: <7cis8vF...@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> Trent wrote
>>> Fred <fr...@nospam.com> wrote
>>>> Trent wrote
>>>>> Fred <fr...@nospam.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
>>>>>> completely dead
>>
>>>>> Not always true.
>>
>>>> Fraid so when he gets that with multiple laptop drives.
>>
>>> Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion.
>>
>> More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.
>
> Don't give a fuck about the OP problem, just your idiotic incorrect
> assertion, dick-less.
Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.
>>> If #reset is being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the
>>> drive will not spin up.
>>
>> Wrong, as always.
> Nope.
Yep.
> Go ahead and try it, shitlips. Short #reset to GND
That wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead, fuckwit child.
> and power up the motherboard; the drive will *not* spin up.
Pity that wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead, fuckwit child.
>> If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting #reset, stupid.
> Now and again one has to apply the Ruler of Reason to the Knuckles of Stupidity.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
> If the PATA port is completely dead, #reset could be driven or not. No one can say,
Wrong, as always.
> you numb, flatulent fuck.
Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, fuckwit child.
Trent
Message id: <7clfvdF...@mid.individual.net>:
>Trent wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:38:37 +1000 "Fred" <fr...@nospam.com> wrote in
>> Message id: <7cis8vF...@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> Trent wrote
>>>> Fred <fr...@nospam.com> wrote
>>>>> Trent wrote
>>>>>> Fred <fr...@nospam.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
>>>>>>> completely dead
>>>
>>>>>> Not always true.
>>>
>>>>> Fraid so when he gets that with multiple laptop drives.
>>>
>>>> Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion.
>>>
>>> More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.
>>
>> Don't give a fuck about the OP problem, just your idiotic incorrect
>> assertion, dick-less.
>
>Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.
Ever hear of topic drift, Pinhead?
>>>> If #reset is being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the
>>>> drive will not spin up.
>>>
>>> Wrong, as always.
>
>> Nope.
>
>Yep.
Absolutely, positively, not.
>> Go ahead and try it, shitlips. Short #reset to GND
>
>That wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead, fuckwit child.
It can, but you're much too ignorant to understand why. Shorting it to GND
would simulate a controller that is dead in such a way as to be asserting
#reset.
>> and power up the motherboard; the drive will *not* spin up.
>
>Pity that wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead, fuckwit child.
See above, Chim-Chim.
>>> If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting #reset, stupid.
>
>> Now and again one has to apply the Ruler of Reason to the Knuckles of Stupidity.
>
>Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
The true Rod comes out. When will you begin your snip-n-run tactics?
>> If the PATA port is completely dead, #reset could be driven or not. No one can say,
>
>Wrong, as always.
Completely correct, Mongo.
>> you numb, flatulent fuck.
>
>Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, fuckwit child.
Starting to repeat yourself just like you did when I kicked your flabby
ass over this exact same issue in 2007. Heh.
Fred
> Absolutely, positively, not.
Wrong, as always.
>>> Go ahead and try it, shitlips. Short #reset to GND
>>
>> That wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead,
>> fuckwit child.
> It can, but you're much too ignorant to understand why.
Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.
> Shorting it to GND would simulate a controller that
> is dead in such a way as to be asserting #reset.
Wrong, as always. No dead controller would short that, fuckwit child.
>>> and power up the motherboard; the drive will *not* spin up.
>> Pity that wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead,
>> fuckwit child.
> See above
Completely useless, as always with your shit, fuckwit.
>>>> If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting
>>>> #reset, stupid.
>>
>>> Now and again one has to apply the Ruler of Reason to the Knuckles
>>> of Stupidity.
>>
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
> The true Rod comes out. When will you begin your snip-n-run tactics?
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>> If the PATA port is completely dead, #reset could be driven or not.
>>> No one can say,
>>
>> Wrong, as always.
> Completely correct, Mongo.
Wrong, as always.
>>> you numb, flatulent fuck.
>> Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, fuckwit> child.
>
> Starting to repeat yourself just like you did when I kicked your
> flabby ass over this exact same issue in 2007. Heh.
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland, fuckwit child.
Trent
Message id: <7cmi0eF...@mid.individual.net>:
>Trent wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:27:14 +1000 "Fred" <fr...@nospam.com> wrote in
>> Message id: <7clfvdF...@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> Trent wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:38:37 +1000 "Fred" <fr...@nospam.com> wrote in
>>>> Message id: <7cis8vF...@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> Trent wrote
>>>>>> Fred <fr...@nospam.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Trent wrote
>>>>>>>> Fred <fr...@nospam.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
>>>>>>>>> completely dead
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not always true.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fraid so when he gets that with multiple laptop drives.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion.
>>>>>
>>>>> More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.
>>>>
>>>> Don't give a fuck about the OP problem, just your idiotic incorrect
>>>> assertion, dick-less.
>>>
>>> Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.
>
>> Ever hear of topic drift, Pinhead?
>
>Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.
Indeed. And you'd do well to remember that, Rain Man.
>>>>>> If #reset is being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the
>>>>>> drive will not spin up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> Yep.
>
>> Absolutely, positively, not.
>
>Wrong, as always.
It's an easy experiment to do. Instead of making a fool of yourself on
Usenet (again) why don't you power up a drive with it's #reset signal
connected to GND?
>>>> Go ahead and try it, shitlips. Short #reset to GND
Well?
>>> That wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead,
>>> fuckwit child.
>
>> It can, but you're much too ignorant to understand why.
>
>Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.
That goes without saying. A pity you're unable to keep up.
>> Shorting it to GND would simulate a controller that
>> is dead in such a way as to be asserting #reset.
>
>Wrong, as always. No dead controller would short that, fuckwit child.
You have no way of knowing *how* a piece of silicon will behave when it
fails, Rain Man. In fact, when a chip fails internally, one of the most
common faults is that one or more of it's outputs will be driven low.
Like #reset, for example. Heh.
>>>> and power up the motherboard; the drive will *not* spin up.
>
>>> Pity that wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead,
>>> fuckwit child.
>
>> See above
>
>Completely useless, as always with your shit, fuckwit.
It's a good thing you aren't wearing cleats, as often as you step
on your crank.
>>>>> If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting
>>>>> #reset, stupid.
>>>
>>>> Now and again one has to apply the Ruler of Reason to the Knuckles
>>>> of Stupidity.
>>>
>>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>> The true Rod comes out. When will you begin your snip-n-run tactics?
>
>Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
I've noticed. That's usually when you start churning out weak comebacks
like that.
>>>> If the PATA port is completely dead, #reset could be driven or not.
>>>> No one can say,
>>>
>>> Wrong, as always.
>
>> Completely correct, Mongo.
>
>Wrong, as always.
How fucking persistent you are. I admire a captain that goes down with his
ship, though.
>>>> you numb, flatulent fuck.
>
>>> Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, fuckwit> child.
>>
>> Starting to repeat yourself just like you did when I kicked your
>> flabby ass over this exact same issue in 2007. Heh.
>
>Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland, fuckwit child.
Would you like a re-post?
Rod Speed
Trent desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
XYLOPHONE
Meanwhile, I have been able to get another adapter, and format the
HDD.
No password anymore! I made it a bootable disk (making a Ghost copy of
the desktop partition).
I put the drive back in the laptop, and surprise! Nothing happens,
just a blank screen with cursor at top left!!! So it's just the same
symptoms as the other drive that came from the other laptop.
I discovered the original laptop drive is a 60GB drive. The one from
the other laptop is a 20GB drive.
I know this is the Windows from another machine, but I expected it to
boot to some point, freeze, or crash... If I only could get to a DOS
prompt, I could try and reset battery using DEBUG. How would I do
this, now that the original drive is erased, and made bootable again.
Thanks.
> http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01134...
> Section 1.3 tells you how to clear the cmos and reset the passwords.
>
> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DocumentIndex.jsp?co...
> has all the manuals.
>
>
>
> > From: "Fred" <f...@nospam.com>
> > Date: Jul 17, 8:50 pm
> > Subject: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
> > To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
>
> > Arno wrote:
> >> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Fred <f...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>> Arno wrote:
> >>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Trent <n...@dev.null.pissoff>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:00:01 +1000 "Fred" <f...@nospam.com> wrote
> >>>>> in Message id: <7ca0okF25i0c...@mid.individual.net>:
>
> >>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
> >>>>>> completely dead
>
> >>>>> Not always true.
>
> >>>> Well, when it is completely dead, then yes. But these things never
> >>>> die completely and often assert some funky signals like a permanent
> >>>> reset.
>
> >>> That possibility can be eliminated by unplugging the ribbon
> >>> cable from the adapter but still leaving the power connected.
>
> >> ... which I have suggested some postings before
>
> > No you didnt until much later.
>
> >> but the OP has not yet reported results on this.
>
> > He's only posted twice so far.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Rod Speed
> Thanks Arno, for the links. I know how to unmount everything...
> Meanwhile, I have been able to get another adapter, and format the HDD.
> No password anymore! I made it a bootable disk (making a Ghost copy of
> the desktop partition).
> I put the drive back in the laptop, and surprise! Nothing happens,
> just a blank screen with cursor at top left!!! So it's just the same
> symptoms as the other drive that came from the other laptop.
> I discovered the original laptop drive is a 60GB drive. The one from
> the other laptop is a 20GB drive.
> I know this is the Windows from another machine, but I expected it to
> boot to some point, freeze, or crash...
Its actually the classic result you get if the Win install was on a system
with the chipset different enough to the one you are getting that effect with.
> If I only could get to a DOS prompt, I could try and reset battery using DEBUG.
The manual link I gave you tells ou how to reset the laptop
at a variety of levels, reset the password, reset the cmos etc.
> How would I do this, now that the original
> drive is erased, and made bootable again.
Normally you could fix that blank screen with a cursor at top left
by booting from the Win CD and doing a repair install. But you said
cant boot the Win CD. Maybe you can now that the password is gone.
If that doesnt work, reset the cmos as the manual says and boot
the Win CD once you can tell the laptop to boot off the CD.
Trent
wrote in Message id: <7cqpecF...@mid.individual.net>:
I noticed that I didn't get a response to my last post in this subject, so
I google groped this thread to see if you had replied. Sure enough, like
Pavlov's dog, you did. But, understandably, your "Rod Speed" persona is
kill-filed.
[All my valid assertions go MIA.]
But, I'll summarize again. Take *any* PATA hard drive and short pin 1 to
pin 2, (#RESET to GND) then apply power to the drive. The motor will *not*
spin up. This will not hurt the drive whatsoever, in case anybody might
not know this - you could even use a flat blade screwdriver to short the
two pins. Rod is probably unable to find these two pins on a PATA drive,
so is unable to perform this simple test.
Anyway, on to Rod's copy-n-paste canned response:
>Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>Trent desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
>predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
Three days ago I posted:
>From: Trent <no...@dev.null.pissoff>
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
>Subject: Re: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
>Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:20:02 -0400
>Message-ID: <q65b65laqvqvkue3a...@4ax.com>
>
>The true Rod comes out. When will you begin your snip-n-run tactics?
Heh. SPANK, you fucking weak-kneed pussy.
Don't bother "cowering behind" your kill-filed "Rod Speed" nym if you want
me to see your response, fucknuts. I won't bother taking the time to
Google group search this thread again.
Buh-bye!
Rod Speed
Arno
> Thanks Arno, for the links. I know how to unmount everything...
> Meanwhile, I have been able to get another adapter, and format the
> HDD.
> No password anymore! I made it a bootable disk (making a Ghost copy of
> the desktop partition).
Ok, first step accomplished, the disk works and has what you want on it.
> I put the drive back in the laptop, and surprise! Nothing happens,
> just a blank screen with cursor at top left!!! So it's just the same
> symptoms as the other drive that came from the other laptop.
> I discovered the original laptop drive is a 60GB drive. The one from
> the other laptop is a 20GB drive.
> I know this is the Windows from another machine, but I expected it to
> boot to some point, freeze, or crash... If I only could get to a DOS
> prompt, I could try and reset battery using DEBUG.
> How would I do
> this, now that the original drive is erased, and made bootable again.
> Thanks.
If they implemented the password protection right, then you cannot.
You should have a look at the battery removal instructions, form
a quick glance they did not seem to problematic.
Arno