Napoleon's Campaigns - released

[eddys...@hotmail.com]

Hi,

Turn-based historical grand strategy game - scenario based

"Napoleon's Campaigns is a realistic simulation of the campaigns
fought by the renowned French emperor between 1805 and 1815. In
addition to reliving these landmarks of operational maneuver across
Europe, the game also includes the Peninsula War (1808-1814) and even
a what-if scenario where Napoleon invades England (1805)."

More info :

http://matrixgames.com/products/487/details/Napoleon's.Campaigns

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[eddys...@hotmail.com]

On 2 mei, 08:48, "eddyster...@hotmail.com" <eddyster...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> "Napoleon's Campaigns

Wait a sec. This seems to be the same Napoleon's Campaigns game that
got released back in 2007

So the grand total of new pc wargames getting released this year
remains a big ol' zero

Tout vas très bien, Madame la Marquise.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[Holdit]

In article <b88881b4-d5c0-4413-a280-64fad9584543
@a6g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, eddys...@hotmail.com says...

Never mind, Eddy. Even Homer nods. :-)

Holdit




--
"I have described nothing but what I saw myself, or learned from others
of whom I made the most careful and particular enquiry."
- Thucydides (Peloponnesian War)

"I've just jazzed mine up a little."
- Spike Milligan (World War 2)

[eddys...@hotmail.com]

On 2 mei, 10:10, Holdit <holditREM...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS> wrote:
> In article <b88881b4-d5c0-4413-a280-64fad9584543

> @a6g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, eddyster...@hotmail.com says...

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> > On 2 mei, 08:48, "eddyster...@hotmail.com" <eddyster...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > > "Napoleon's Campaigns
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> > Wait a sec. This seems to be the same Napoleon's Campaigns game that
> > got released back in 2007
>
> > So the grand total of new pc wargames getting released this year
> > remains a big ol' zero
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> > Tout vas très bien, Madame la Marquise.
>

> Never mind, Eddy.  Even Homer nods.  :-)

They did a good job in obfuscating the fact their newly released game
is in fact 6 years old. Had me fooled for a minute :)

When Eric Rutins announced they were going to be releasing a game
practically every week until the summer I thought he actually meant
new games, not old rehashes or the eleventy-zillionth add-on pack for
Panzer Corps.

A genre where nothing new gets released in 4 months is as good as dead

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[Giftzwerg]

In article <MPG.2bec2fda9...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
holdit...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS says...

> > > "Napoleon's Campaigns
> >
> > Wait a sec. This seems to be the same Napoleon's Campaigns game that
> > got released back in 2007
> >
> > So the grand total of new pc wargames getting released this year
> > remains a big ol' zero
> >

> > Tout vas trï¿œs bien, Madame la Marquise.

> Never mind, Eddy. Even Homer nods. :-)

Jeez. And here I was, all hot to trot at the prospect of Yet Another
Napoleon Game.



--
Giftzwerg
***
"While Ms. Giffords certainly has my sympathy for the violence she
suffered, it should be noted that being shot in the head by a lunatic
does not give one any special grace to pronounce upon public-policy
questions, nor does it give one moral license to call people 'cowards'
for holding public-policy views at variance with one?s own."
- Kevin Williamson

[eddys...@hotmail.com]

On 2 mei, 11:16, Giftzwerg <giftzwerg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <MPG.2bec2fda94c81df6989...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
> holditREM...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS says...

>
> > > > "Napoleon's Campaigns
>
> > > Wait a sec. This seems to be the same Napoleon's Campaigns game that
> > > got released back in 2007
>
> > > So the grand total of new pc wargames getting released this year
> > > remains a big ol' zero
>

> > > Tout vas tr s bien, Madame la Marquise.

> > Never mind, Eddy.  Even Homer nods.  :-)
>
> Jeez.  And here I was, all hot to trot at the prospect of Yet Another
> Napoleon Game.

<innocently>
Have you tried Empires in Arms ? It's the only half-decent strategic
level Napoleonic game on the pc wargame market.
</innocently>

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[Holdit]

In article <MPG.2bebf8e...@news-east.giganews.com>, giftzwerg999
@hotmail.com says...

> In article <MPG.2bec2fda9...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
> holdit...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS says...
>
> > > > "Napoleon's Campaigns
> > >
> > > Wait a sec. This seems to be the same Napoleon's Campaigns game that
> > > got released back in 2007
> > >
> > > So the grand total of new pc wargames getting released this year
> > > remains a big ol' zero
> > >

> > > Tout vas très bien, Madame la Marquise.

>
> > Never mind, Eddy. Even Homer nods. :-)
>
> Jeez. And here I was, all hot to trot at the prospect of Yet Another
> Napoleon Game.
>

Hah...all very well for you to laugh, but they keep making the wrong
ones. The real Napoleonics flavour isn't to be found in the strategy,
it's in the grand tactics, and the smaller tactics. Show me the vast
number of games built around those and I'll happily go get my credit
card.

[Giftzwerg]

In article <675f5e93-fdb6-4397-b686-
84f76f...@gb2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, eddys...@hotmail.com
says...

> > > > Tout vas tr s bien, Madame la Marquise.
> > > Never mind, Eddy.  Even Homer nods.  :-)
> >
> > Jeez.  And here I was, all hot to trot at the prospect of Yet Another
> > Napoleon Game.
>
> <innocently>
> Have you tried Empires in Arms ? It's the only half-decent strategic
> level Napoleonic game on the pc wargame market.
> </innocently>

Hmmm. A $70 boardgame simulator starring: Napoleon!

The horror ... the horror ...

[Holdit]

In article <MPG.2bec0d...@news-east.giganews.com>, giftzwerg999
@hotmail.com says...

>
> In article <675f5e93-fdb6-4397-b686-
> 84f76f...@gb2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, eddys...@hotmail.com
> says...
>
> > > > > Tout vas tr s bien, Madame la Marquise.
> > > > Never mind, Eddy.  Even Homer nods.  :-)
> > >
> > > Jeez.  And here I was, all hot to trot at the prospect of Yet Another
> > > Napoleon Game.
> >
> > <innocently>
> > Have you tried Empires in Arms ? It's the only half-decent strategic
> > level Napoleonic game on the pc wargame market.
> > </innocently>
>
> Hmmm. A $70 boardgame simulator starring: Napoleon!
>
> The horror ... the horror ...

If the impression I've got from the odd browse of EIA forum headers is
anything to go by, it's a not-very-well-made $70 boardgame simulator
starring Napoleon. I might be wrong about that, though.

What's so objectionable about Napoleonics anyway?

[Giftzwerg]

In article <MPG.2bec4b777...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
holdit...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS says...

> > > Never mind, Eddy. Even Homer nods. :-)
> >
> > Jeez. And here I was, all hot to trot at the prospect of Yet Another
> > Napoleon Game.
> >
>
> Hah...all very well for you to laugh, but they keep making the wrong
> ones. The real Napoleonics flavour isn't to be found in the strategy,
> it's in the grand tactics, and the smaller tactics. Show me the vast
> number of games built around those and I'll happily go get my credit
> card.

I've just got "Napoleon" in the same category as "Battle of the Bulge,"
"Market-Garden,' and "Gettysburg." You gotta show me some *awesome*
gameplay for me to return to any of those shop-worn topics.

Anytime Nappy appears, I start looking for an exit.

[eddys...@hotmail.com]

On 2 mei, 12:08, Holdit <holditREM...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS> wrote:
>
> Hah...all very well for you to laugh, but they keep making the wrong
> ones. The real Napoleonics flavour isn't to be found in the strategy,
> it's in the grand tactics, and the smaller tactics. Show me the vast
> number of games built around those and I'll happily go get my credit
> card.

Agreed. It's quite telling that Empires in Arms, which is decades old
and showing it, is still considered to be king of the hill in
strategic level Napoleonics.

About designers making the wrong scale choices .... I just finished
typing up a rant elsewhere about why tactical modern warfare sucks
from a gaming pov, yet that's what we seem to get.

This is maybe the strength of WW2 wargaming : it's the only period I
know where tactical and operational and strategic level wargaming is
any fun.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[eddys...@hotmail.com]

On 2 mei, 12:42, Giftzwerg <giftzwerg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <675f5e93-fdb6-4397-b686-
> 84f76f304...@gb2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, eddyster...@hotmail.com

> says...
>
> > > > > Tout vas tr s bien, Madame la Marquise.
> > > > Never mind, Eddy.  Even Homer nods.  :-)
>
> > > Jeez.  And here I was, all hot to trot at the prospect of Yet Another
> > > Napoleon Game.
>
> > <innocently>
> > Have you tried Empires in Arms ? It's the only half-decent strategic
> > level Napoleonic game on the pc wargame market.
> > </innocently>
>
> Hmmm.  A $70 boardgame simulator starring: Napoleon!
>
> The horror ... the horror ...

And only 96 pages of rules :)

All kidding aside, I know a bunch of guys who use it to PBEM their
Empires in Arms boardgame - they have some minor niggles, but all in
all are pretty pleased with it

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[eddys...@hotmail.com]

On 2 mei, 12:49, Holdit <holditREM...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS> wrote:
>
> If the impression I've got from the odd browse of EIA forum headers is
> anything to go by, it's a not-very-well-made $70 boardgame simulator
> starring Napoleon. I might be wrong about that, though.

Like I said in the other post I know a bunch of guys who are pretty
pleased with it. Opinion is divided on this one it seems.

> What's so objectionable about Napoleonics anyway?

The guy was French :) (*)

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

(*) in fact he was Italian - his family moved to Corsica and changed
their name.

[Holdit]

In article <MPG.2bec106...@news-east.giganews.com>, giftzwerg999
@hotmail.com says...

>
> In article <MPG.2bec4b777...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
> holdit...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS says...
>
> > > > Never mind, Eddy. Even Homer nods. :-)
> > >
> > > Jeez. And here I was, all hot to trot at the prospect of Yet Another
> > > Napoleon Game.
> > >
> >
> > Hah...all very well for you to laugh, but they keep making the wrong
> > ones. The real Napoleonics flavour isn't to be found in the strategy,
> > it's in the grand tactics, and the smaller tactics. Show me the vast
> > number of games built around those and I'll happily go get my credit
> > card.
>
> I've just got "Napoleon" in the same category as "Battle of the Bulge,"
> "Market-Garden,' and "Gettysburg." You gotta show me some *awesome*
> gameplay for me to return to any of those shop-worn topics.
>
> Anytime Nappy appears, I start looking for an exit.

Understood. That answers my subsequent question also.

My point isn't so much about the era/theatre, but the level that's being
simulated. With Market-Garden, for example, you can play it at the TOAW
level, at the HTTR level, or even at the Close Combat level.

Most Napoleonic games only offer the TOAW level, with the exceptions of,
say, Tiller's games and Histwar. As far as I can see, Tiller's engine,
while improving some details, has stagneted in its main thrust, while
Histwar...well, I think it's dying a death. I've never been able to play
out a game with it. Some others seem to be happy with it, so maybe it's
me.

To borrow your own phrase, we're not exactly hip-deep in the kind of
Napoleonic game I'm waiting to buy.

[eddys...@hotmail.com]

On 2 mei, 13:08, Holdit <holditREM...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS> wrote:

> Histwar...well, I think it's dying a death.

I've stopped supporting other people's hobbies.

Either be professional about it, which entails listening to your
target market and get my money or else screw up your hobby project any
way you like, but don't expect money from me.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[Holdit]

In article <5b82fcb4-375d-409c-a808-b8a482c71427
@w13g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, eddys...@hotmail.com says...

Well at least I only supported it to the extent of buying the cheapest
version of the game.

The exception that proves the correctness my wait-before-buy policy. :-)

[Holdit]

In article <581cb2aa-3914-4b01-814c-
a3d67d...@a3g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, eddys...@hotmail.com
says...

Yep. Just to prolong the thread, have you ever noticed what a hate
figure* he is for some people and what a hero he is for others?
Personally I've never been able to understand either extreme. I have him
filed under "interesting".

Holdit

*And that's without even referring to the facile comparisons with
Hitler.

[eddys...@hotmail.com]

On 2 mei, 14:04, Holdit <holditREM...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS> wrote:
>
> Yep. Just to prolong the thread, have you ever noticed what a hate
> figure* he is for some people and what a hero he is for others?

Yup - comes from being called The Corsican Ogre in history books for 2
centuries. Make that Anglo history books mostly.

A purely objective look at what he meant for that part of Europe I
happen to live in :

Postive :

- he did away with all the legal privileges of the church and the
nobility
- compiled a civil law codex that's still partly in use
- modern state organization, central bank, dragged some areas kicking
and screaming into the 19the century.

Negative :

- taxation and conscription to provide fuel for his wars.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[Giftzwerg]

In article <MPG.2bec550ae...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
holdit...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS says...

> > Hmmm. A $70 boardgame simulator starring: Napoleon!
> >
> > The horror ... the horror ...
>
> If the impression I've got from the odd browse of EIA forum headers is
> anything to go by, it's a not-very-well-made $70 boardgame simulator
> starring Napoleon. I might be wrong about that, though.
>
> What's so objectionable about Napoleonics anyway?

Nothing, per se, but it's just been done to death over the years.

That was why I was so delighted that Panther chose "The Aegean" after
doing Market-Garden in HTTR.

[Frank E]

can we add under negatives:
- Killed a lot of people in useless wars.

Rgds, Frank

[eddys...@hotmail.com]

On 2 mei, 21:28, Frank E <fakeaddr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> can we add under negatives:
> - Killed a lot of people in useless wars.

Depends on which side you believe in the propaganda war. Britain
financed a whole lot of WMD's ...

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[Frank E]

That wooshing sound you just heard was your comment going way over my
head. <g>

Rgds, Frank

[eddys...@hotmail.com]

On 2 mei, 22:11, Frank E <fakeaddr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 May 2013 12:42:22 -0700 (PDT), "eddyster...@hotmail.com"

>
> <eddyster...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On 2 mei, 21:28, Frank E <fakeaddr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> can we add under negatives:
> >> - Killed a lot of people in useless wars.
>
> >Depends on which side you believe in the propaganda war. Britain
> >financed a whole lot of WMD's ...
>
> That wooshing sound you just heard was your comment going way over my
> head. <g>

LOL - what I meant was that there were a number of good reasons the
crowned heads of Europe weren't going to allow Napoleon to remain in
power even if he had won the Nobel Peace Prize 5 times in a row.

France was a sore in the eyes of the crowned heads of the rest of
Europe - these guys had literally beheaded their king (3 cheers) which
if they let them get away with it would set a bad example for their
population.

In addition : to Britain it was all balance of power - playing one
nation off against the other so that no single nation could dominate
the continent and become a threat to their (commercial) empire. And
they had the money to bribe the often cash-strapped crowned heads.

Austria was especially pissed off because the beheaded Marie-
Antoinette was an Austrian princess.

So both Britain or Austria, often together, were always looking for
ways to put together a coalition to defeat France and restore the
monarchy there and the excuses they fabricated to go to war were often
pretty flimsy, hence my quite silly reference to WMD's :)

Now, I don't think Nappy was a totally innocent victim in all of this
and happily jumped on the opportunity for war offered to him by the
various Coalitions formed against him, but there were plenty of
occasions where he could rightfully point out that "he didn't start
this war"

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[Holdit]

In article <MPG.2bec10d...@news-east.giganews.com>, giftzwerg999
@hotmail.com says...

> In article <MPG.2bec550ae...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
> holdit...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS says...
>
> > > Hmmm. A $70 boardgame simulator starring: Napoleon!
> > >
> > > The horror ... the horror ...
> >
> > If the impression I've got from the odd browse of EIA forum headers is
> > anything to go by, it's a not-very-well-made $70 boardgame simulator
> > starring Napoleon. I might be wrong about that, though.
> >
> > What's so objectionable about Napoleonics anyway?
>
> Nothing, per se, but it's just been done to death over the years.
>
> That was why I was so delighted that Panther chose "The Aegean" after
> doing Market-Garden in HTTR.
>
>

Makes sense. I suppose in Napoleonic terms the equivalent would be a new
game that focuses on say, Spain instead of Waterloo.

[eddys...@hotmail.com]

On 3 mei, 11:20, Holdit <holditREM...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS> wrote:
> In article <MPG.2bec10d017d3261...@news-east.giganews.com>, giftzwerg999
> @hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <MPG.2bec550aeca78600989...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
> > holditREM...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS says...

>
> > > > Hmmm.  A $70 boardgame simulator starring: Napoleon!
>
> > > > The horror ... the horror ...
>
> > > If the impression I've got from the odd browse of EIA forum headers is
> > > anything to go by, it's a not-very-well-made $70 boardgame simulator
> > > starring Napoleon. I might be wrong about that, though.
>
> > > What's so objectionable about Napoleonics anyway?
>
> > Nothing, per se, but it's just been done to death over the years.
>
> > That was why I was so delighted that Panther chose "The Aegean" after
> > doing Market-Garden in HTTR.
>
> Makes sense. I suppose in Napoleonic terms the equivalent would be a new
> game that focuses on say, Spain instead of Waterloo.

Are you saying you don't think Spain has been done to death as well by
those anglophile wargame publishers ?

That said I don't think I've got much against subjects/battles that
have been "done to death" so to speak because there is something to be
said about playing a favourite battle you know in a new engine. This
lets you evaluate the historicity of that engine really well, so when
the same developer then tackles a battle I'm not so familiar with I
can be assured that I'm playing a good engine with believable results
and not some fantasy battle.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[Holdit]

In article <17ee74c3-361b-4031-b2d8-
15ce8f...@a6g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, eddys...@hotmail.com
says...

> On 3 mei, 11:20, Holdit <holditREM...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS> wrote:
> > In article <MPG.2bec10d017d3261...@news-east.giganews.com>, giftzwerg999
> > @hotmail.com says...
> >
> >

> > Makes sense. I suppose in Napoleonic terms the equivalent would be a new
> > game that focuses on say, Spain instead of Waterloo.
>
> Are you saying you don't think Spain has been done to death as well by
> those anglophile wargame publishers ?
>

I think youmay be confusing boardgames with comuter wargames. Even
Tiller hasn't touched Spain yet.

> That said I don't think I've got much against subjects/battles that
> have been "done to death" so to speak because there is something to be
> said about playing a favourite battle you know in a new engine. This
> lets you evaluate the historicity of that engine really well, so when
> the same developer then tackles a battle I'm not so familiar with I
> can be assured that I'm playing a good engine with believable results
> and not some fantasy battle.
>

Or to put it another way, if you play the same different games of the
same battle/campaign, you're more likely to one day find one that does
it right. ;-)

[eddys...@hotmail.com]

On 3 mei, 11:57, Holdit <holditREM...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS> wrote:
> In article <17ee74c3-361b-4031-b2d8-
> 15ce8ffe1...@a6g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, eddyster...@hotmail.com

> says...> On 3 mei, 11:20, Holdit <holditREM...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS> wrote:
> > > In article <MPG.2bec10d017d3261...@news-east.giganews.com>, giftzwerg999
> > > @hotmail.com says...
>
> > > Makes sense. I suppose in Napoleonic terms the equivalent would be a new
> > > game that focuses on say, Spain instead of Waterloo.
>
> > Are you saying you don't think Spain has been done to death as well by
> > those anglophile wargame publishers ?
>
> I think youmay be confusing boardgames with comuter wargames. Even
> Tiller hasn't touched Spain yet.

Ah, ok - I don't care about the Tiller stuff so I was indeed thinking
about boardgames. Command & Colours Napoleonics - very first
expantion : Spain. Whatever Napoleonic boardgame gets released it's
always Spain, Spain, Spain. Probably the most uninsteresting of all
Nappy campaigns but it has Brits occasionally defeating the French so
it's a commercial must.

> > That said I don't think I've got much against subjects/battles that
> > have been "done to death" so to speak because there is something to be
> > said about playing a favourite battle you know in a new engine. This
> > lets you evaluate the historicity of that engine really well, so when
> > the same developer then tackles a battle I'm not so familiar with I
> > can be assured that I'm playing a good engine with believable results
> > and not some fantasy battle.
>
> Or to put it another way, if you play the same different games of the
> same battle/campaign, you're more likely to one day find one that does
> it right.  ;-)

Exactly. And to be fair : I've already found a number of games which
do it right, so all subsequent ones get measured according to that
yardstick.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[Holdit]

In article <66ab2b6a-d5cc-40d1-8ed6-
ba7848...@g9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, eddys...@hotmail.com

Similarly, I've viewed five or six different documentatires about
Waterloo on satellite in the hope that someone would get it right. I'm
still waiting.

In this case my "gatting it right" yardstick is Earl Spencer's
documentary about Blenheim, which we've discussed before.

Holdit

PS: Or Austerliz, Borodino, Marengo, Eylau, Friedland...etc

PPS: I do wish they'd stop using over-fed reenactors also. Ditto the
half-starved ACW conferederate units :-)

[eddys...@hotmail.com]

On 3 mei, 12:49, Holdit <holditREM...@indigoTHE.ieCAPS> wrote:
>
> In this case my "gatting it right" yardstick is Earl Spencer's
> documentary about Blenheim, which we've discussed before.

The description of the battle itself was ok, but the stuff leading up
to it was incredibly biased - well, at least it was in the book, I
didn't know he made a tv documentary about it as well.

> PS: Or Austerliz, Borodino, Marengo, Eylau, Friedland...etc

Aspern-Essling - a battle that could have gone either way, with both
sides alternating defense and attack - interesting choices to be made
for both sides
- plenty of what-ifs. This should be a wargamer's dream battle, but
alas, it doesn't involve Brits so it's relegated to the back pages of
history.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[Giftzwerg]

In article <17ee74c3-361b-4031-b2d8-
15ce8f...@a6g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, eddys...@hotmail.com
says...

> > Makes sense. I suppose in Napoleonic terms the equivalent would be a new
> > game that focuses on say, Spain instead of Waterloo.
>
> Are you saying you don't think Spain has been done to death as well by
> those anglophile wargame publishers ?
>
> That said I don't think I've got much against subjects/battles that
> have been "done to death" so to speak because there is something to be
> said about playing a favourite battle you know in a new engine. This
> lets you evaluate the historicity of that engine really well, so when
> the same developer then tackles a battle I'm not so familiar with I
> can be assured that I'm playing a good engine with believable results
> and not some fantasy battle.

The downside, though, is that often the system peters out before
offering up anything new and interesting. I've seen it all before; you
get "Bulge -> Market-Garden -> Normandy -> Italy ..." and then that's
it.

As if the sense is, "We've done all the battles the Americans were in
..."

[Mike Kreuzer]

On 3/05/2013 9:49 PM, Giftzwerg wrote:
> In article <17ee74c3-361b-4031-b2d8-
> 15ce8f...@a6g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, eddys...@hotmail.com
> says...
>
>>> Makes sense. I suppose in Napoleonic terms the equivalent would
>>> be a new game that focuses on say, Spain instead of Waterloo.
>>
>> Are you saying you don't think Spain has been done to death as well
>> by those anglophile wargame publishers ?
>>
>> That said I don't think I've got much against subjects/battles
>> that have been "done to death" so to speak because there is
>> something to be said about playing a favourite battle you know in a
>> new engine. This lets you evaluate the historicity of that engine
>> really well, so when the same developer then tackles a battle I'm
>> not so familiar with I can be assured that I'm playing a good
>> engine with believable results and not some fantasy battle.
>
> The downside, though, is that often the system peters out before
> offering up anything new and interesting. I've seen it all before;
> you get "Bulge -> Market-Garden -> Normandy -> Italy ..." and then
> that's it.
>
> As if the sense is, "We've done all the battles the Americans were in
> ..."
>
>

Yep. It's Americans in Europe too. Guadalcanal & one of the Kharkovs
early or it ain't gonna happen.

Regards,
Mike Kreuzer
www.mikekreuzer.com