Patch for Harpoon ANW 3.8.0 now available
HermanH
it looks like Matrix has the Patch for Harpoon ANW 3.8.0 available
from their FtP server at:
ftp://ftp.matrixgames.com/pub/Harpoon3ANW/
Now the Harpoon community can evaluate if the wait was worth it or
not.
If this were a movie, we could name it, "50 Weeks Later" :-D
http://www.Gamesquad.com/forums/
Home of the Harpoon3 PlayersDB
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/FilesOfScenShare/
The PlayersDB Depot
HarPlonkHQ
Giftzwerg
herm...@gmail.com says...
> After nearly a year since the initial release of Harpoon ANW v3.7.0,
> it looks like Matrix has the Patch for Harpoon ANW 3.8.0 available
> from their FtP server at:
Another fifty bucks?
--
Giftzwerg
***
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repudiation of the Enlightenment, a repudiation of reason; and its
substitution by irrationality, obscurantism, bigotry and clerical
totalitarianism - all facilitated by our so-called 'liberal' society,
and all in the name of 'human rights'. Western liberalism now embraces
its Islamist mortal enemies and attacks its American and Israeli allies
in the fight to defend civilisation.
We are giving the Islamists the message that we are theirs for the
taking. This is how liberalism may disappear up its own backside."
- Melanie Phillips
dhil...@advancedgaming.biz
My name is Dale Hillier and I work for AGSI in the development of the
Harpoon series of programs. I would like to point out that Herman
Hums post does not constitute an official release from neither Matrix
or AGSI. Herman Hum does not (and probably never will) work for
AGSI. We would greatly appreciate it if the moderators would remove
this post at their earliest opportunity.
If you require further information, please don't hesitate to contact
me: dhil...@advancedgaming.biz
Later
D
Giftzwerg
dhil...@advancedgaming.biz says...
> My name is Dale Hillier and I work for AGSI in the development of the
> Harpoon series of programs. I would like to point out that Herman
> Hums post does not constitute an official release from neither Matrix
> or AGSI. Herman Hum does not (and probably never will) work for
> AGSI.
...a fact which enhances his credibility by roughly 1,000 percent, in my
book.
> We would greatly appreciate it if the moderators would remove
> this post at their earliest opportunity.
Das ist USENET, Herr Goebbels; your kung-fu won't work it's usual magic
here.
> If you require further information, please don't hesitate to contact
> me: dhil...@advancedgaming.biz
Got a fix for my copy of 3.6.3 yet?
eddys...@hotmail.com
> We would greatly appreciate it if the moderators would remove
> this post at their earliest opportunity.
Being clueless about the nature of unmoderated UseNet newsgroups is
forgivable, trying to shut people up this way is not.
> Later
50 weeks later ?
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
von Schmidt
It gets better- the Matrix harpoon forum has the following
conversation:
"Is the patch 3.80.2 on Patches Scrolls official? - 5/28/2007 8:01:45
PM
Vincenzo Beretta
I found it today at this address, posted on May, 25th - but nothing
here on the forum
RE: Is the patch 3.80.2 on Patches Scrolls official? - 5/28/2007
8:35:32 PM
VCDH
Moderator
Status: online Hi Guys,
THis link has nothing to do with AGSI's release program. In fact,
I've been told that the site caters to hacks and cracks of a variety
of games. As such I'd be real careful following this link. It may
contain malacious software that will screw up your system.
Please wait until the official word comes about the release of 3.8.
It will come on this forum and this forum only.
Later
D "
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1469316
When the moderator states "In fact, I've been told that the site
caters to hacks and cracks of a variety of games", he refers (but
apparently is unfamiliar with) the Patches Scrolls site. A well
respected, above-board and established site which is a repository for
patches *only*.
What a fuckwit.
-von Schmidt
The DA
<dhil...@advancedgaming.biz> wrote in message
news:1180451794....@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Can I volunteer to be the ng moderator? Firt step, how do I remove *this*
post?
eddys...@hotmail.com
> Vincenzo Beretta
I suggest he bans that "Beretta" guy - I know him, he's a
troublemaker :)
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
Vincenzo Beretta
> troublemaker :)
As you can see, I'm definetly back from the hills =)
I hadn't time to summarize my experience with "ye old time wargamers" up
there (yet), but the short story is: it was depressing O___o
HermanH
>
> When the moderator states "In fact, I've been told that the site
> caters to hacks and cracks of a variety of games", he refers (but
> apparently is unfamiliar with) the Patches Scrolls site. A well
> respected, above-board and established site which is a repository for
> patches *only*.
>
> What a fuckwit.
>
> -von Schmidt
Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why the game is in the shape it is
and "who" is primarily responsible?
Let's count the minutes until that message conveniently 'disappears'
from Matrix forum....
Herman Hum
Rob Pollard
comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.naval forum to which I spent ages putting together a
nice LONG reply and you go and use such short and witty replies as these!
Shame on you!
RobP
"Giftzwerg" <giftzw...@NOSPAMZ.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.20c610e4d...@news-east.giganews.com...
Vincenzo Beretta
> caters to hacks and cracks of a variety of games", he refers (but
> apparently is unfamiliar with) the Patches Scrolls site. A well
> respected, above-board and established site which is a repository for
> patches *only*.
Beside that, the patch is up at Matrix's public FTP site at
ftp://ftp.matrixgames.com/pub/Harpoon3ANW/ - so maybe they are about to
announce it. It is not the first time that a patch goes up before a pubblic
announcment (like it just happened with Forge of Freedom).
Vincenzo Beretta
> ftp://ftp.matrixgames.com/pub/Harpoon3ANW/ - so maybe they are about to
> announce it. It is not the first time that a patch goes up before a
pubblic
> announcment (like it just happened with Forge of Freedom).
Uhm, interesting: as Rob Pollard noticed on the naval NG, the directory is
now empty. I wonder what happened with this release.
HermanH
> > Beside that, the patch is up at Matrix's public FTP site at
> > announce it. It is not the first time that a patch goes up before a
> pubblic
> > announcment (like it just happened with Forge of Freedom).
>
> Uhm, interesting: as Rob Pollard noticed on the naval NG, the directory is
> now empty. I wonder what happened with this release.
Seems to be available on "The Patches Scrolls" site:
http://dlh.net/cgi-bin/dlp.cgi?lang=eng&sys=pc&file=harpoon3anw-update-380_2.zip&ref=ps
At least for the time being....
Herman Hum
The DA
"Vincenzo Beretta" <rec...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BMY6i.10614$nT2....@tornado.fastwebnet.it...
By coincidence, the game showing up for me on their Game Recon slot is...
eddys...@hotmail.com
> Uhm, interesting: as Rob Pollard noticed on the naval NG, the directory is
> now empty. I wonder what happened with this release.
Most likely explanation : there's a gigantic screwup in that patch -
he could just be correct in saying that it contains malicious code
that screws-up your pc - their own lousy code that is :)
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
Frank E
>Good Day,
>
>My name is Dale Hillier and I work for AGSI in the development of the
>Harpoon series of programs. I would like to point out that Herman
>Hums post does not constitute an official release from neither Matrix
>or AGSI. Herman Hum does not (and probably never will) work for
>AGSI. We would greatly appreciate it if the moderators would remove
>this post at their earliest opportunity.
>
... this should be interesting. Someone pass the popcorn. <g>
ERutins
but this was posted on the FTP a bit too early and "got out". No
problem with noting it here, but wait for the press release if you
want to know what it's about.
Regards,
- Erik
Art Weingardner
>this post at their earliest opportunity.
almost as funny as sokwoo lee
eddys...@hotmail.com
> On 29 May 2007 08:16:34 -0700, dhill...@advancedgaming.biz wrote:
>
> >AGSI. We would greatly appreciate it if the moderators would remove
> >this post at their earliest opportunity.
>
> almost as funny as sokwoo lee
If someone wants to re-read the original Sokwoo Lee post - it's here :
His main point was that all this "Freedom of Speech" crap gave him a
headache - I'm sure there's a first-time poster in this group who will
agree :)
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
Briarroot
> Good Day,
>
> My name is Dale Hillier and I work for AGSI in the development of the
> Harpoon series of programs. I would like to point out that Herman
> Hums post does not constitute an official release from neither Matrix
> or AGSI. Herman Hum does not (and probably never will) work for
> AGSI. We would greatly appreciate it if the moderators would remove
> this post at their earliest opportunity.
>
Heheheheheheheheh!
Herman has undoubtedly done more to maintain public awareness of the
Harpoon franchise in the newsgroups than anyone at your company ever has!
And one more thing (just to keep you current): the 'moderator' ran off
with Santa Claus (they're gay) and no one has seen either of them for
quite some time now.
> If you require further information, please don't hesitate to contact
> me: dhil...@advancedgaming.biz
>
> Later
> D
>
Advanced gaming? <muffled laughter>
--
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the
blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of
misery." - Winston Churchill
Giftzwerg
eddys...@hotmail.com says...
> > We would greatly appreciate it if the moderators would remove
> > this post at their earliest opportunity.
>
> Being clueless about the nature of unmoderated UseNet newsgroups is
> forgivable, trying to shut people up this way is not.
At LGF, Hillier's weak-assed comment would definitely get tagged with:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/crying_baby.jpg
...the Dread Crying Baby.
Giftzwerg
herm...@gmail.com says...
> > http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1469316
> >
> > When the moderator states "In fact, I've been told that the site
> > caters to hacks and cracks of a variety of games", he refers (but
> > apparently is unfamiliar with) the Patches Scrolls site. A well
> > respected, above-board and established site which is a repository for
> > patches *only*.
> >
> > What a fuckwit.
> >
> > -von Schmidt
>
> Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why the game is in the shape it is
> and "who" is primarily responsible?
<guesses>
Uh, the same AGSI dimwits who're responsible for every other buggy build
of that lamentable technological apocalypse known as HARPOON3? At this
rate, I expect the fanboys should have a properly working game at
approximately version 11.5, after expending roughly another $400 each.
> Let's count the minutes until that message conveniently 'disappears'
> from Matrix forum....
Apologies to my friends at Matrix, but "I told you so." Among others.
Ray O'Hara
moderators? we don't need no stinkin moderators.
eddys...@hotmail.com
> moderators? we don't need no stinkin moderators.
And some in here dare say your posts never make sense :)
Seriously : this thread also serves as a prime example of why no
moderators are needed. If someone violates the unwritten rules of this
ng everyone makes damn sure the guilty party is punished for it -
severely - Frontier Law style. Much more effective than any moderator
could ever accomplish.
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
The DA
<eddys...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180506078.0...@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
Do you reckon Mr Advanced Gaming has been back to check on progress? Quick,
look busy.
HermanH
Have you been peeking at the ever-growing bug list?!
We just started and we're already over the 100 mark :-(
Looks like the entire matter is moot since Matrix has now released the
patch 'officially'.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1470420
eddys...@hotmail.com
>
> Do you reckon Mr Advanced Gaming has been back to check on progress?
As he's Canadian and it's like 3 AM there right now I doubt it - sure
hope he checks in in the morning - what a way to start your day
huh ? :)
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
eddys...@hotmail.com
LOL - got a mail in my mailbox from someone who's a bit intimidated by
all this and politely asks what the "unwritten rules" are :)
Well, by definition unwritten means ... nah - I'll take a swipe at
listing them, feel free to disagree or add your own.
The Unwritten Rules of War-Historical :
- We don't need no stinkin moderators (copyright Ray O'Hara)
- As far as topics goes "wargaming" is the general theme, but nobody
cares if you post off-topic stuff, however an OT: marker in the
subject title is appreciated.
- You can pretty much say anything you want, but make sure you can
back up every claim you make with facts. Also known as the "Cite"
rule.
- Posters attacking the messenger because they can't refute the
message are treated with utter contempt.
- Even if you've done nothing "wrong" be prepared for the occasional
unwarranted flak - if you can't take this, stay out of the ng.
- Flamewars are a source of entertainment and not to be taken
seriously - just to confuse the newbees make sure you totally agree
with someone in one thread and call him a clueless moron in another.
- Developers and publishers get no special protection or preferential
treatment. If they are treated with respect, it means they earned it.
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
Briarroot
> - Flamewars are a source of entertainment and not to be taken
> seriously - just to confuse the newbees make sure you totally agree
> with someone in one thread and call him a clueless moron in another.
That's even more effective when you do it in the same post. ;-)
--
"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of
his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare others who have
not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the
first principle of association: the guarantee to everyone the free
exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." - Thomas
Jefferson.
Giftzwerg
eddys...@hotmail.com says...
> - Developers and publishers get no special protection or preferential
> treatment. If they are treated with respect, it means they earned it.
...and that means *respect*, not *fawning*. Even the respected
developers that we like aren't above honest criticism of their products,
even if it means a little back and forth.
René Haar
> Well, by definition unwritten means ... nah - I'll take a swipe at
> listing them, feel free to disagree or add your own.
Don´t hit him too hard,
he´s familiar with web based forums but not with the usenet(rules).
And newbie bashing isn´t very nice (IMHO).
With some guidance and help he will learn it fast or stay away.
Regards René
eddys...@hotmail.com
> eddyster...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > The Unwritten Rules of War-Historical :
> > ...
> > - Flamewars are a source of entertainment and not to be taken
> > seriously - just to confuse the newbees make sure you totally agree
> > with someone in one thread and call him a clueless moron in another.
> > ...
>
> That's even more effective when you do it in the same post. ;-)
I totally agree - you gnatbrain ! :)
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
Giftzwerg
thedevil...@hotmail.com says...
> Do you reckon Mr Advanced Gaming has been back to check on progress? Quick,
> look busy.
<lol>
And wasn't that a toffee-nosed request? "Oh, dear me, these wagamuffins
are pwivy to our cowpowate secwets. Modewators! Expunge their malign
commentary *at once*, or feel the bite of my fuwther wwath!"
René Haar
And that he mixes up usenet and web forums migth be expalined cause he
uses google groups, and that is his main fault.
some one should show him how to setup a real NUA
René Haar
> That's even more effective when you do it in the same post. ;-)
>
>
>
ymmd roflt
Giftzwerg
mail_wird_sof...@gmx.de says...
> > Well, by definition unwritten means ... nah - I'll take a swipe at
> > listing them, feel free to disagree or add your own.
> Don=3Ft hit him too hard,
> he=3Fs familiar with web based forums but not with the usenet(rules).
> And newbie bashing isn=3Ft very nice (IMHO).
Just a moment, though.
Are you defending the newbie who wrote Eddy? Or the newbie AGSI guy
whose first post was a shrill demand that "the moderators" remove any
and all commentary that displeased him?
'Cause, speaking for myself, the former gets a "welcome aboard" and the
latter gets a jolly, "go fuck yourself, AGSI-shitball."
eddys...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> eddyster...@hotmail.com schrieb:
>
> > Well, by definition unwritten means ... nah - I'll take a swipe at
> > listing them, feel free to disagree or add your own.
>
> Don´t hit him too hard,
> he´s familiar with web based forums but not with the usenet(rules).
> And newbie bashing isn´t very nice (IMHO).
Great example of some unwarranted flak :)
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
eddys...@hotmail.com
>
> Are you defending the newbie who wrote Eddy? Or the newbie AGSI guy
> whose first post was a shrill demand that "the moderators" remove any
> and all commentary that displeased him?
I assumed it was the former as in the latter's case War-Historical
Unwritten Rule #4 "Posters attacking the messenger because they can't
refute the message are treated with utter contempt." appplies.
So, to recap, I wasn't making fun of the newbee who asked me the
"rules", I just saw it as an opportunity to post some crap about
"rules" in , of all places, UseNet :) that fully answered his question
and was hopefully a bit informative in a tongue-in-cheek way for other
lurkers out there.
Here There Be Dragons, but we only make crispy bacon out of those
fully deserving it.
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
von Schmidt
wrote:
> eddyster...@hotmail.com schrieb:
If a newbie's first post is a request for deletion/moderation of a
post and a swipe at a poster, he deserves whatever he gets.
On forums and usenet.
-von Schmidt
HermanH
>
> If a newbie's first post is a request for deletion/moderation of a
> post and a swipe at a poster, he deserves whatever he gets.
> On forums and usenet.
>
> -von Schmidt
It is no small surprise that the game system is in the shape it is
when the first official act of AGSI is to try and stifle discussion
regarding any of their perceived shortcomings. It seems par for the
course. Any bug discussion on AGSI or Matrix fora results in the
usual deletion and ban.
Herman Hum
Ray O'Hara
<eddys...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180522770....@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
why the cheapshot at gnats?
Ray O'Hara
"Giftzwerg" <giftzw...@NOSPAMZ.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.20c722815...@news-east.giganews.com...
> In article <1180517914....@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> eddys...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > - Developers and publishers get no special protection or preferential
> > treatment. If they are treated with respect, it means they earned it.
>
> ...and that means *respect*, not *fawning*. Even the respected
> developers that we like aren't above honest criticism of their products,
> even if it means a little back and forth.
>
> --
> Giftzwerg
has norm recovered his nerves yet after his last foray here?
and will we ever hear from him again?
Ray O'Hara
"René Haar" <mail_wird_sof...@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:f3jlbr$6ui$1...@news01.versatel.de...
> eddys...@hotmail.com schrieb:
> And newbie bashing isn´t very nice (IMHO).
true, its better to string the along, make themcomfortable ,, and then
...WHAMMO ...lower the boom
eddys...@hotmail.com
>
> has norm recovered his nerves yet after his last foray here?
Never mind his nerves, what about coming to his senses ?2007 is not
the world of 1997 where a wargame could and would sell tens of
thousands of copies.
We explained very clearly why Distant Guns would fail in the
marketplace today : small grognard target audience to start with,
obscure subject, pure naval game. Then, by your own choice,
restricting that small base even more by employing a copy protection
system that's not popular is a Bad Move (tm). We could only explain
that to him, not help him comprehend and accept it.
> and will we ever hear from him again?
As long as JR is funding him why should he ? But the day JR throws in
the towell he's going to look up from his keyboard and will need to
face reality.
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
Briarroot
I knew you would - you fat Euro! ;-)
Yesterday's Associated Press reports included the following:
"Half of EU Adults Overweight, Obese" May 30, 4:21 PM (ET) By Raf Casert
BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) - More than half of adults in European Union
nations are obese or overweight and the young are increasingly making
Europe a fat continent, the EU's top public health official said
Wednesday.
Diets based on fatty and sweet ingredients combined with lack of
physical activity account for six of the seven top factors leading to
poor health, said EU Health Commissioner Markos Kyprianou.
For years the EU Commission has warned governments to act, but the
situation is getting worse. "Everybody has to be blamed - including
the authorities, including the industry, including the consumers,"
Kyprianou said.
His biggest worry is the growing girth of children. "If we don't act,
today's overweight children will be tomorrow's heart attack victims,"
he said.
In the 27-nation bloc, the EU says that over 21 million children are
overweight. "Even more worrying is that the rate of increase of that
number is more than 400,000 children a year."
To counter the trend, the EU has asked food manufacturers to promote
healthier foods and says it has obtained commitments from many popular
producers.
But consumers consciously make bad choices, Kyprianou said. Around the
Mediterranean, a healthy diet based on olive oil and fresh fish is on
the wane.
"Now the biggest problem of obesity is in the southern member states
who have abandoned the Mediterranean diet and go for the same kind of
nutrition of fast food as elsewhere," Kyprianou said.
Overall, the consumption of fruit and vegetables is lower than medical
recommendations. The intake of fat and saturated fats is high
throughout the continent, while the consumption of cereals has fallen
by a quarter since the 1960s in Europe.
It has contributed to a situation "in which the majority of the member
states, more than 50 percent of the adult population, is overweight or
obese," Kyprianou said. "The numbers are frightening."
On Wednesday, the Commission proposed to tighten advertising standards
on unhealthy processed food. It called on the food industry to cut
down on sugar, fat and salt and urged sports organizations to do more
to get youngsters to engage in physical exercise.
Even sports are becoming sweat free, Kyprianou noted. "A parent said
that his son would go home and play basketball on the computer. They
like the game but they won't play it."
"They sit in front of a television, the computer screen or play video
games," he said. "It is a reality of life."
So let's not hear any more jokes about lard-butt Yanks! ;-)
--
"Man will always be Man. We tried so hard to create a society that
was equal, where there'd be nothing to envy your neighbor. But
there's always something to envy: a smile; a friendship; something you
don't have and want to appropriate. In this world, even a Soviet one,
there will always be rich and poor; rich in gifts - poor in gifts,
rich in love - poor in love." - Comrade Commissar Danilov in "Enemy at
the Gates"
Briarroot
>
What? Have you suddenly developed an aversion to cheap shots? <chortle!>
Giftzwerg
herm...@gmail.com says...
> > If a newbie's first post is a request for deletion/moderation of a
> > post and a swipe at a poster, he deserves whatever he gets.
> > On forums and usenet.
> >
> > -von Schmidt
>
> It is no small surprise that the game system is in the shape it is
> when the first official act of AGSI is to try and stifle discussion
> regarding any of their perceived shortcomings. It seems par for the
> course. Any bug discussion on AGSI or Matrix fora results in the
> usual deletion and ban.
Matrix does this shit? Huh.
<drops company three notches in opinion>
--
Giftzwerg
***
"Here's a quick-and-dirty guide to Palestinian politics. Some
Palestinian leaders support terrorism in principle, but oppose it in
practice when it is clearly counterproductive. These are called
'moderates'."
- James Taranto
eddys...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> In article <1180569446.521093.245...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> herman...@gmail.com says...
>
> > > If a newbie's first post is a request for deletion/moderation of a
> > > post and a swipe at a poster, he deserves whatever he gets.
> > > On forums and usenet.
>
> > > -von Schmidt
>
> > It is no small surprise that the game system is in the shape it is
> > when the first official act of AGSI is to try and stifle discussion
> > regarding any of their perceived shortcomings. It seems par for the
> > course. Any bug discussion on AGSI or Matrix fora results in the
> > usual deletion and ban.
>
> Matrix does this shit? Huh.
>
> <drops company three notches in opinion>
Deletion : Hard to tell - as each developer is a sort of admin for
their part of the forum they are probably able to lock and/or delete
posts. Given their attitude in here, it's almost a given that if they
are allowed to do this, they'll abuse that power.
Ban : almost certainly not - in fact I've never heard about anyone
getting banned there - Mario tried to get banned for a while (probably
to prove a point that every publisher bans people), but failed.
I'm firing of a mail to Erik Rutins in a sec to confirm/deny this.
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
Giftzwerg
eddys...@hotmail.com says...
> > Matrix does this shit? Huh.
> >
> > <drops company three notches in opinion>
>
> Deletion : Hard to tell - as each developer is a sort of admin for
> their part of the forum they are probably able to lock and/or delete
> posts. Given their attitude in here, it's almost a given that if they
> are allowed to do this, they'll abuse that power.
Well, but at least this lets Matrix (somewhat) off the hook, if
developers are allowed to moderate their own forums.
> Ban : almost certainly not - in fact I've never heard about anyone
> getting banned there - Mario tried to get banned for a while (probably
> to prove a point that every publisher bans people), but failed.
>
> I'm firing of a mail to Erik Rutins in a sec to confirm/deny this.
I don't mind moderating or banning - so long as it's confined to folks
who obviously violate a well-defined set of rules *regardless of their
appraisal of the product*. If you want to ban someone for calling
someone "motherfucker," that's fine - but I want to see chapter and
verse of the violated rule when someone gets tossed for a post that
goes, "this product stinks."
eddys...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>
> I don't mind moderating or banning - so long as it's confined to folks
> who obviously violate a well-defined set of rules *regardless of their
> appraisal of the product*. If you want to ban someone for calling
> someone "motherfucker," that's fine - but I want to see chapter and
> verse of the violated rule when someone gets tossed for a post that
> goes, "this product stinks."
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
What (theoretically) could get you banned and is clearly stated in the
forum rules as not allowed is "politics".
Yet what you see is that it's always the same guys who drag politics
into a discussion or even start threads with a political post and all
that happens is Marc Schwanebeck grumbling something about "told you a
million times before : no politics" and locking the thread. No
deletes. No bans.
If you want an example of a guy who's only contributions are either
"this game stinks" or "this game is too expensive", just lookup
"Ravinhood" - his posts don't end up deleted or locked, nor does he
get banned. Same thing for Mario's posts - but maybe he was too
obviously looking to get banned :)
So, while I can see the *possibility* of threads getting deleted/
locked in the Harpoon forum, I'm gonna need the name of an actual
forum dweller who got banned before I believe they'll go that far.
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
Vincenzo Beretta
What amazed me in the recent Virginia campus shooting was the size of the
asses of almost all the policemen who converged on the scene. I usually no
not look at these things - honest <g> - but, on CNN, you could see platoons
of oversized shotgun armed dudes thundering down the campus' streets or
charging towards the buildings. I swear that some of them could shield a
whole class of first graders from an hail of bullets with their ass alone.
What surprised me is that they were people that, at least I expected so, in
their line of work had all the opportunity to stay fit - both because the
job demands it and because I do not think that a policeman lacks the
opportunity to exercise
Art Weingardner
<rec...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> So let's not hear any more jokes about lard-butt Yanks! ;-)
>
>What amazed me in the recent Virginia campus shooting was the size of the
>asses of almost all the policemen who converged on the scene. I usually no
>not look at these things - honest <g> - but, on CNN, you could see platoons
>of oversized shotgun armed dudes thundering down the campus' streets or
it's the bullet proof vests.
Giftzwerg
eddys...@hotmail.com says...
> What (theoretically) could get you banned and is clearly stated in the
> forum rules as not allowed is "politics".
<shrug>
This I don't mind. Plenty of places to screech "BUSH IS HITLER" these
days - we don't need another forum for that.
> If you want an example of a guy who's only contributions are either
> "this game stinks" or "this game is too expensive", just lookup
> "Ravinhood" - his posts don't end up deleted or locked, nor does he
> get banned. Same thing for Mario's posts - but maybe he was too
> obviously looking to get banned :)
Then I cheerfully retract my previous comment.
Vincenzo Beretta
> >asses of almost all the policemen who converged on the scene. I usually
no
> >not look at these things - honest <g> - but, on CNN, you could see
platoons
> >of oversized shotgun armed dudes thundering down the campus' streets or
>
> it's the bullet proof vests.
I thought about that, but I saw people with bullet proof vests on various
occasions (street riots, patrol duty at the airports...) and they do look
completely different. Unless the police at the Virginia shooting had some
new, strange, models.
Vincenzo Beretta
> locked in the Harpoon forum, I'm gonna need the name of an actual
> forum dweller who got banned before I believe they'll go that far.
There were bans on the Harpoon forum - decided by DHeath himself - and all
deserved, IMHO.
And the admin deleted from Matrix's forum my announcement fot HarplonkHQ
(www.harplonkhq.com) even if it was a perfectly legit site. Sure, it is (in
part) humoristic in spirit, but it holds DBs and scenarios for the game - as
a backup should some other holding sited go down. Other posts have
occasionally been deleted from the Harpoon forum, but I didn't really
followed the details.
Giftzwerg
rec...@hotmail.com says...
While I agree that far too many of those in my former profession were
out of shape fatfucks ... but ... why would you assume that police
officers are afforded any more time for physical fitness programs than
anyone else?
I mean, a typical day in my professional life was:
15:00 hrs: Rise and shine. Grab a sandwich and head for work.
16:00 hrs: Clock in, suit up, rollcall.
16:30 hrs: Spend eight hours riding in an EQ, dealing with every
asshole in town.
00:00 hrs: Shift ends (READ: paid portion of tour is over)
01:37 hrs: Shift ends (READ: I can actually head home)
02:00 hrs: Hit the sack.
06:30 hrs: Get up. Quick breakfast.
08:00 hrs: Arrive for traffic / district / superior court
08:15 hrs: Time scheduled to testify
12:39 hrs: Time actually called for testimony
13:00 hrs: Go home. Briefly. Nap.
15:00 hrs: Repeat until five days are up.
I dunno about you, but I'm not sure how many marathons I was scheduling
for myself while on this schedule.
Giftzwerg
says...
> > it's the bullet proof vests.
>
> I thought about that, but I saw people with bullet proof vests on various
> occasions (street riots, patrol duty at the airports...) and they do look
> completely different. Unless the police at the Virginia shooting had some
> new, strange, models.
The standard (IE: 2nd Chance) vest that fits under a uniform adds about
3/4" to the "radius" of the cop's torso, a little more if you add the
centerline hardplate...
...but it doesn't cover a cop's *ass*, so anything back there is 100%
unadulterated fatboy.
HermanH
<eddyster...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> So, while I can see the *possibility* of threads getting deleted/
> locked in the Harpoon forum, I'm gonna need the name of an actual
> forum dweller who got banned before I believe they'll go that far.
>
I guess that is my cue. :-)
My user name was hermanhum and you can check out the last few messages
I posted before being banned. IMO, it was my continual bug discussion
that sealed my fate. I was banned for "one week" six months ago...
LoL
(and, yes, the admins are aware of this temporal discrepancy)
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/showProfile.asp?memid=18146
In my experience, the Harpoon sub-forum has seen the occasional
deletion of threads. For example, it recently happened with this
simple announcement posted to all Harpoon fora:
http://www.gamesquad.com/forums/harpoon/62490-harplonkhq-harpoons-newest-fan-site-unveiled.html
I do not know if this is common occurrence on Matrix, but it most
certainly happens on the Harpoon sub-forum and I've got all the
original material.
Herman Hum
eddys...@hotmail.com
> On May 31, 7:28 am, "eddyster...@hotmail.com"
>
> <eddyster...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > So, while I can see the *possibility* of threads getting deleted/
> > locked in the Harpoon forum, I'm gonna need the name of an actual
> > forum dweller who got banned before I believe they'll go that far.
>
> I guess that is my cue. :-)
>
> My user name was hermanhum and you can check out the last few messages
> I posted before being banned. IMO, it was my continual bug discussion
> that sealed my fate. I was banned for "one week" six months ago...
> LoL
> (and, yes, the admins are aware of this temporal discrepancy)
>
> http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/showProfile.asp?memid=18146
>
> In my experience, the Harpoon sub-forum has seen the occasional
> deletion of threads. For example, it recently happened with this
> simple announcement posted to all Harpoon fora:
>
>
> I do not know if this is common occurrence on Matrix, but it most
> certainly happens on the Harpoon sub-forum and I've got all the
> original material.
Well I'm baffled - this is certainly unheard of in the Matrix forums I
regularly visit (HTTR, COTA, General, Coming Soon forums, ...) - can't
for the life of me even see *why* you got banned based on your last
post(s). Can anybody shed some light on this ?
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
Giftzwerg
eddys...@hotmail.com says...
> > I do not know if this is common occurrence on Matrix, but it most
> > certainly happens on the Harpoon sub-forum and I've got all the
> > original material.
>
> Well I'm baffled - this is certainly unheard of in the Matrix forums I
> regularly visit (HTTR, COTA, General, Coming Soon forums, ...) - can't
> for the life of me even see *why* you got banned based on your last
> post(s). Can anybody shed some light on this ?
THEORY: The Matrixgames forums you hang out on are not infected /
influenced / involved with AGSI.
Briarroot
Think: donuts! ;-)
All joking aside, 90% of a cop's job consists of sitting around
waiting for something awful to happen. Mental acuity is far more
important than physical fitness, though obviously the latter helps
when the shit hits the fan.
Hmm, sounds a lot like PC gaming! <ducks>
eddys...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> In article <1180639594.278535.310...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> eddyster...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > > I do not know if this is common occurrence on Matrix, but it most
> > > certainly happens on the Harpoon sub-forum and I've got all the
> > > original material.
>
> > Well I'm baffled - this is certainly unheard of in the Matrix forums I
> > regularly visit (HTTR, COTA, General, Coming Soon forums, ...) - can't
> > for the life of me even see *why* you got banned based on your last
> > post(s). Can anybody shed some light on this ?
>
> THEORY: The Matrixgames forums you hang out on are not infected /
> influenced / involved with AGSI.
Well, I've got most Matrix games - but not Harpoon - kept well away
from it because I knew the history behind that title.
Kev9000's resolvement to base his buying & gaming habits solely on the
developer suddenly starts to make more sense too.
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
Ray O'Hara
> In article <1180618130.7...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> eddys...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > What (theoretically) could get you banned and is clearly stated in the
> > forum rules as not allowed is "politics".
>
> <shrug>
>
> This I don't mind. Plenty of places to screech "BUSH IS HITLER" these
> days - we don't need another forum for that.
>
> > If you want an example of a guy who's only contributions are either
> > "this game stinks" or "this game is too expensive", just lookup
> > "Ravinhood" - his posts don't end up deleted or locked, nor does he
> > get banned. Same thing for Mario's posts - but maybe he was too
> > obviously looking to get banned :)
>
> Then I cheerfully retract my previous comment.
>
and you scream "BUSH IS INFALLIIBLE"
Rob Pollard
planet can be ruled by the least intelligent person on the planet -
absolutely bizarre! :-)
RobP - From the tea drinking side of the pond...
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Giftzwerg
roberta...@hotmail.com says...
> LoL. I have never been able to work out how the most powerful Country on the
> planet can be ruled by the least intelligent person on the planet -
> absolutely bizarre! :-)
I have never been able to work out how all you Brainiac tea drinkers
could be ruled over by the sockpuppet who spent the last six years with
the least intelligent person on the planet working his levers.
Rob Pollard
51st state over the last 5 years or so...
RobP
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Ray O'Hara
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> LoL. I have never been able to work out how the most powerful Country on
the
> planet can be ruled by the least intelligent person on the planet -
> absolutely bizarre! :-)
>
> RobP - From the tea drinking side of the pond...
>
>
tis a sad factand a national embarrassment.
gifty loves him though..
its like reagan, he plays to the latent jingoism on small minded people and
by talking tough makes them feel tough.
gifty and briar are perfect examples.
Vincenzo Beretta
the
> planet can be ruled by the least intelligent person on the planet -
> absolutely bizarre! :-)
Just look back at history so find plenty of examples. bad Roman Emperors,
incompetent English kings... sometimes it just happens.
The DA
Hey, no politics or ad hominem attacks on this ng or I'll get Mr Hillier to
delete your posts. Mr Hillier, Dave, are you there? Uh....
JAB
"Incompetent English Kings" ... no mention of the mad ones then. Our
next one is a confirmed tree hugger, believes that coffee enemas can
cure cancer and wants to be his wife's tampax. Oh and claims to be an
environmentalist yet drives a 1960s Aston Martin.
Briarroot
> LoL. I have never been able to work out how the most powerful Country on the
> planet can be ruled by the least intelligent person on the planet -
> absolutely bizarre! :-)
>
A) I see nothing unusual or bizarre about the combination you suggest.
But that's just me; maybe you do.
B) This mythical "least intelligent person on the planet" that you
speak of has a degree from Yale, an MBA from Harvard, and learned how
to fly fighter jets. Altogether, not a bad track record for the
"least intelligent person on the planet."
C) The guy who *lost* the 2004 Presidential election had a lower GPA
at Yale than did the winner; ergo the winner can't possibly be the
"least intelligent person on the planet."
D) Never assume that raw intelligence is any substitute for skill,
determination or perseverance; either in work or in politics. To do
so is to nominate yourself for "least intelligent person on the planet."
--
"Any attempt to replace a personal conscience by a collective
conscience does
violence to the individual and is the first step toward
totalitarianism." - Herman Hesse
Giftzwerg
says...
> > LoL. I have never been able to work out how the most powerful Country on the
> > planet can be ruled by the least intelligent person on the planet -
> > absolutely bizarre! :-)
> A) I see nothing unusual or bizarre about the combination you suggest.
> But that's just me; maybe you do.
And, as in everything, the only real arguments take place on the right.
While lefties still babble their weary "he's stupid" line, the real
problem for Bush is that he appears to be in the process of alienating
every single conservative supporter he ever had - and unlike the left,
conservatives have real arguments and real facts to support their
positions.
Another thing conservatives have in abundance is votes that the
Republican party once counted on. Give the out-of-touch, tuneless
Republicans in Congress and the increasingly elitist and snappish Bush
Administration another few months of playing at being half-assed
Democrats, and I'd be willing to put the Democrats in charge just to
enjoy the spectacle of the lefties having to Shut The Fuck Up for four
solid years.
Rob Pollard
> that's just me; maybe you do.
This is very true on reflection....
>
> B) This mythical "least intelligent person on the planet" that you speak
> of has a degree from Yale, an MBA from Harvard, and learned how to fly
> fighter jets. Altogether, not a bad track record for the "least
> intelligent person on the planet."
Anyone can fly, its not that hard at all. As for the MBA it was probably
bought, if not I fear for the standard that these MBA's allude to. I have
seen lots of footage where Mr Bush is placed in unscripted situations and it
seems to me that he lacks the dynamism and thought processes to construct
coherent and structured replies. In fact most of what he says in these
situations end up being complete fubars (and get placed into comedy clips) -
hardly the sign of an intelligent man. Maybe he cons everyone that he lacks
intelligence to lure them into a false sense of security? Don't know, but
seriously, you should review the footage of Mr. Bush with no script, there
is no way, at least in my book that he posses anything but a small
smattering of intellect.
>
> C) The guy who *lost* the 2004 Presidential election had a lower GPA at
> Yale than did the winner; ergo the winner can't possibly be the "least
> intelligent person on the planet."
>
See above. Mr Bush comes from an obscenely wealthy family with lots of
powerful connections. Vietnam war? Dad pull some strings - oh look I'm no
longer flying there... With money and connections anything is possible.
> D) Never assume that raw intelligence is any substitute for skill,
> determination or perseverance; either in work or in politics. To do so is
> to nominate yourself for "least intelligent person on the planet."
>
>
Very true. But in politics you need a certain amount of dynamism and
eloquence so that you can head of the inevitable issues without looking bad.
From the news coverage on this side of the Atlantic this doesn't seem to be
the case. I know that Mr Blair is the biggest ass licker on the planet (I
dislike Blair very much), but when you see him together with Mr Bush, the
difference in political calibre (I'm not talking power here) is very plain
to see.
I guess I can see why most forums ban politics! :-)
RobP
Ray O'Hara
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prince william is a tree hugger?
you can't mean "tampon" he won't outlive his mom, she's good for 100 at
least.
a 1960s aston probably gets decent mileage.
at least his taste in cars is better than his taste in women.
i just watched a 1963 DB4 GT go for $1,150,000.
Ray O'Hara
"Briarroot" <woo...@iwon.com> wrote in message
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> Rob Pollard wrote:
> > LoL. I have never been able to work out how the most powerful Country on
the
> > planet can be ruled by the least intelligent person on the planet -
> > absolutely bizarre! :-)
> >
>
> A) I see nothing unusual or bizarre about the combination you suggest.
> But that's just me; maybe you do.
>
> B) This mythical "least intelligent person on the planet" that you
> speak of has a degree from Yale, an MBA from Harvard, and learned how
> to fly fighter jets. Altogether, not a bad track record for the
> "least intelligent person on the planet."
>
he was a yale legasy and his family{the brown's} bought the harvard degree
with fine endowments
the real reason they let him go AWOL was because he was the worst pilot ever
and they feared he would hurt somebody when he crashed.
Giftzwerg
roberta...@hotmail.com says...
> > A) I see nothing unusual or bizarre about the combination you suggest. But
> > that's just me; maybe you do.
>
> This is very true on reflection....
>
> >
> > B) This mythical "least intelligent person on the planet" that you speak
> > of has a degree from Yale, an MBA from Harvard, and learned how to fly
> > fighter jets. Altogether, not a bad track record for the "least
> > intelligent person on the planet."
>
> Anyone can fly, its not that hard at all.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Please. Stop being an ignorant fuck anytime now. The aircraft Mr. Bush
flew in the TANG was the notorious Convair F-102, an early century-
series supersonic interceptor with an especially evil reputation for
killing pilots.
As Bill Whittle - one of those pilots you dismiss as worthless - points
out:
"This is a Convair F-102 Delta Dagger. It is a second-generation,
supersonic fighter-interceptor. It cruises at 845 mph.
There were some minor aerodynamic problems with the F-102. For example,
at certain power settings and angles of attack -- like, say, take-off --
the jet compressor would stall and the aircraft would roll inverted. It
is no picnic, skill-wise, to fly a modern F-16 with advanced avionics
and fly-by-wire flight control systems. The workload on the F-102 was
far higher. The F-16 has an accident rate of 4.14 occurrences per
100,000 flight hours. The F-102=3Fs accident rate was more than three
times that: 13.69 per 100,000 hours. 875 F-102A interceptors were built;
259 =3F almost 30% - were lost to accidents or enemy action while serving
in Vietnam.[1]
George W. Bush flew hundreds of hours in the F-102."
And then...
"Now, picture yourself in this [F-102] chair, at 40,000 feet, traveling
at one and a half times the speed of sound. Now imagine that someone has
painted the windows white -- you are flying on instruments. Now imagine
that not only do you have to be able to fly blind, by referencing these
instruments, but that you also have to stare into that orange jack-o-
lantern of a radar, and interpret a squiggle that will lead you to your
target. Now imagine that in addition to not hitting the ground, or your
wingman, and watching the squiggle, you also have to turn those switches
on the right side panel to activate weapons systems, to overcome enemy
countermeasures=3Fwithout looking outside, as you hurtle through air at -
40 degrees F, air so thin that should you lose pressure, you have about
4-6 seconds of consciousness before you black out and die.
I maintain that the instant George W. Bush closed that canopy and took
off on the first of his many solo hours in an F-102, it is quite
impossible that he was either an idiot or a coward."
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/2006_11.html
Of course, you're free to point out why you imagine flying a high-
performance military fighter is such a picnic. Perhaps you've played a
lot of games of FALCON?
Hmmm?
> As for the MBA it was probably
> bought,
Cite?
> if not I fear for the standard that these MBA's allude to.
I've got an MBA. And it ain't from Harvard, either. And the very last
thing a liberal icon like Harvard gives out is a freebie to the son of
George H.W. Bush.
Try again, dumbass.
> I have
> seen lots of footage where Mr Bush is placed in unscripted situations and it
> seems to me that he lacks the dynamism and thought processes to construct
> coherent and structured replies.
"If verbal articulation was actually a valid measure of intelligence,
then every used-car salesman on earth would be rightly thought smarter
than Albert Einstein."
- Giftzwerg
> In fact most of what he says in these
> situations end up being complete fubars (and get placed into comedy clips) -
> hardly the sign of an intelligent man.
Like the "JOBS FOR TOMORROW" sign that appeared behind "brilliant"
Democrat Hillary the other day?
Try again, dumbass.
[1] Dear dumbass: Just *try* and argue that a lot of F-102s were lost
in Vietnam. I'll fuck you up, royally...
Rob Pollard
>
> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>
> Please. Stop being an ignorant fuck anytime now. The aircraft Mr. Bush
> flew in the TANG was the notorious Convair F-102, an early century-
> series supersonic interceptor with an especially evil reputation for
> killing pilots.
>
> As Bill Whittle - one of those pilots you dismiss as worthless - points
> out:
>
> "This is a Convair F-102 Delta Dagger. It is a second-generation,
> supersonic fighter-interceptor. It cruises at 845 mph.
>
> There were some minor aerodynamic problems with the F-102. For example,
> at certain power settings and angles of attack -- like, say, take-off --
> the jet compressor would stall and the aircraft would roll inverted. It
> is no picnic, skill-wise, to fly a modern F-16 with advanced avionics
> and fly-by-wire flight control systems. The workload on the F-102 was
> far higher. The F-16 has an accident rate of 4.14 occurrences per
> 100,000 flight hours. The F-102=3Fs accident rate was more than three
> times that: 13.69 per 100,000 hours. 875 F-102A interceptors were built;
> 259 =3F almost 30% - were lost to accidents or enemy action while serving
> in Vietnam.[1]
>
> George W. Bush flew hundreds of hours in the F-102."
>
It would seem that I haven't done my homework on the aircraft type that Bush
flew. Indeed, you are right the aircraft is a veritable death-trap. One
calculation online put Bush's chance of an accident (throughout his career)
at 4%, which is pretty damn high for peace ops.
> And then...
>
> "Now, picture yourself in this [F-102] chair, at 40,000 feet, traveling
> at one and a half times the speed of sound. Now imagine that someone has
> painted the windows white -- you are flying on instruments. Now imagine
> that not only do you have to be able to fly blind, by referencing these
> instruments, but that you also have to stare into that orange jack-o-
> lantern of a radar, and interpret a squiggle that will lead you to your
> target. Now imagine that in addition to not hitting the ground, or your
> wingman, and watching the squiggle, you also have to turn those switches
> on the right side panel to activate weapons systems, to overcome enemy
> countermeasures=3Fwithout looking outside, as you hurtle through air at -
> 40 degrees F, air so thin that should you lose pressure, you have about
> 4-6 seconds of consciousness before you black out and die.
>
I was unaware that Bush Jnr saw any action? All his flights were in the
continental US with the National Guard.
> I maintain that the instant George W. Bush closed that canopy and took
> off on the first of his many solo hours in an F-102, it is quite
> impossible that he was either an idiot or a coward."
I haven't claimed that he is a coward or an idiot. Having a great
intelligence or the lack thereof is no indicator of idiocy. I know of many
very switched on people that are complete idiots (Blair would be one....)
>
> http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/2006_11.html
>
> Of course, you're free to point out why you imagine flying a high-
> performance military fighter is such a picnic. Perhaps you've played a
> lot of games of FALCON?
I have played Falcon :-) Of course flying a sim is only an approximation to
real life. Though it has to be said that I did a lot of flight simming in MS
flight sims - then flew for real. On my first outing (admittedly in a benign
C152), I could complete a full circuit, approach and landing (although the
instructor took over for the final flare) very easily thanks to some of the
skills I picked up in the MS sim/game (delete as applicable).
From what I read of Mr Bush's aircraft I would change my statement on this
and follow your lead, that these machines are difficult to fly in real life.
>
> Hmmm?
>
>> As for the MBA it was probably
>> bought,
>
> Cite?
>
>> if not I fear for the standard that these MBA's allude to.
>
> I've got an MBA. And it ain't from Harvard, either. And the very last
> thing a liberal icon like Harvard gives out is a freebie to the son of
> George H.W. Bush.
>
> Try again, dumbass.
Never underestimate the ability of power to corrupt. Apparently Mr. Bush
refused to take a blood test and went AWOL during the Vietnam incident-
nothing ever came of it. You can bet your ass if it was someone else, they
would be in the slammer long before their ass hit the ground.
>
>> I have
>> seen lots of footage where Mr Bush is placed in unscripted situations and
>> it
>> seems to me that he lacks the dynamism and thought processes to construct
>> coherent and structured replies.
>
> "If verbal articulation was actually a valid measure of intelligence,
> then every used-car salesman on earth would be rightly thought smarter
> than Albert Einstein."
> - Giftzwerg
>
This is a true statement. However, Mr Bush decided to enter the political
arena where if I had to write a checklist on the skills needed, oration
would certainly be up there. Maybe I have seen the wrong clips, maybe the
media here has a mission to paint Mr Bush in a bad light, but every
interview I have seen him do he lacks a certain coherence, he seems to
fumble his words and invariably comes out with sentences that
unintentionally infer something else to what he was intending.
This indicates to me that in the best case scenario he is not thinking
things through and in the worse case he just lacks the mental manipulation
to address diverse issues when presented to him on the fly. If you can point
me to an unscripted interview where he performs well I will be more than
happy to review it and possibly reapraise my opinion of the man.
>> In fact most of what he says in these
>> situations end up being complete fubars (and get placed into comedy
>> clips) -
>> hardly the sign of an intelligent man.
>
> Like the "JOBS FOR TOMORROW" sign that appeared behind "brilliant"
> Democrat Hillary the other day?
>
> Try again, dumbass.
>
I'm sure if you measured the frequency of these for a variety of people, Mr.
Bush would be somewhere near the top of the table...
>
> [1] Dear dumbass: Just *try* and argue that a lot of F-102s were lost
> in Vietnam. I'll fuck you up, royally...
>
Nope, no argument from me.
You are obviously a very pro Bush and a very pro Republican person. To me I
couldn't give two hoots if Mr Bush was the leader of the Monster Raving
Loony Party or the Liberals. My post was centered on my perception and I
suspect many other British citizens perception of what kind of a man we
think Mr. Bush is. For better or worse, the vast majority of the media we
see here portrays Mr Bush in this light. Maybe I'm being impetuous by
suggesting that he lacks intelligence without having actually met him, but
based on what I have seen I stand by my words.
As I said in the previous post, I can see why politics is invariably a
banned topic on forums :-)
RobP
Giftzwerg
roberta...@hotmail.com says...
> > George W. Bush flew hundreds of hours in the F-102."
> >
>
> It would seem that I haven't done my homework on the aircraft type that Bush
> flew. Indeed, you are right the aircraft is a veritable death-trap. One
> calculation online put Bush's chance of an accident (throughout his career)
> at 4%, which is pretty damn high for peace ops.
...not to mention the President Of The United States death-trap, for
which the death-rate is roughly 10%.
Kinda high, eh?
> I was unaware that Bush Jnr saw any action? All his flights were in the
> continental US with the National Guard
That's exactly Whittle's point. Try again.
> I haven't claimed that he is a coward or an idiot.
<laughter>
Huh? Aren't you the drone who claimed that Mr. Bush was the "least
intelligent person on the planet"?
Or was that some other fuckwit?
> > I've got an MBA. And it ain't from Harvard, either. And the very last
> > thing a liberal icon like Harvard gives out is a freebie to the son of
> > George H.W. Bush.
> >
> > Try again, dumbass.
>
> Never underestimate the ability of power to corrupt. Apparently Mr. Bush
> refused to take a blood test and went AWOL during the Vietnam incident-
> nothing ever came of it. You can bet your ass if it was someone else, they
> would be in the slammer long before their ass hit the ground.
Cite?
> > "If verbal articulation was actually a valid measure of intelligence,
> > then every used-car salesman on earth would be rightly thought smarter
> > than Albert Einstein."
> > - Giftzwerg
> This is a true statement. However, Mr Bush decided to enter the political
> arena where if I had to write a checklist on the skills needed, oration
> would certainly be up there. Maybe I have seen the wrong clips, maybe the
> media here has a mission to paint Mr Bush in a bad light, but every
> interview I have seen him do he lacks a certain coherence, he seems to
> fumble his words and invariably comes out with sentences that
> unintentionally infer something else to what he was intending.
> This indicates to me that in the best case scenario he is not thinking
> things through and in the worse case he just lacks the mental manipulation
> to address diverse issues when presented to him on the fly. If you can point
> me to an unscripted interview where he performs well I will be more than
> happy to review it and possibly reapraise my opinion of the man.
Read through your paragraph here. Carefully. Because you start out by
saying that I'm justified in pointing out that verbal brilliance isn't
necessarily - even usefully - indicative of intelligence ... and then
you desperately try to back into exactly this same contention.
Try. Again.
> You are obviously a very pro Bush and a very pro Republican person.
Which observation makes you a particularly ignorant drone.
Try. Again.
Art Weingardner
<roberta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Anyone can fly, its not that hard at all. As for the MBA it was probably
>bought, if not I fear for the standard that these MBA's allude to. I have
>seen lots of footage where Mr Bush is placed in unscripted situations and it
>seems to me that he lacks the dynamism and thought processes to construct
>coherent and structured replies. In fact most of what he says in these
>situations end up being complete fubars (and get placed into comedy clips) -
>hardly the sign of an intelligent man. Maybe he cons everyone that he lacks
>intelligence to lure them into a false sense of security? Don't know, but
>seriously, you should review the footage of Mr. Bush with no script, there
>is no way, at least in my book that he posses anything but a small
>smattering of intellect.
public speaking is not the best or only yardstick for intelligence.
maybe we should vote the RonCo guy into office. he's great at talking
in front of people.
Ray O'Hara
"Art Weingardner" <ar...@softhome.net> wrote in message
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the ronco guy, ron popiel actually invents all those things too. and he
markets them, he actually is quite brilliant.
Briarroot
>> A) I see nothing unusual or bizarre about the combination you suggest. But
>> that's just me; maybe you do.
>
> This is very true on reflection....
>
>> B) This mythical "least intelligent person on the planet" that you speak
>> of has a degree from Yale, an MBA from Harvard, and learned how to fly
>> fighter jets. Altogether, not a bad track record for the "least
>> intelligent person on the planet."
>
> Anyone can fly, its not that hard at all.
>
<boggle!>
What were you just saying about the "least intelligent person on the
planet?" Fighter jets aren't Cessnas and *not* just anyone can fly
them. Sheesh!
> As for the MBA it was probably bought, if not I fear for the standard that these MBA's allude to.
>
Some things are for sale and some aren't. Harvard MBAs are solid
gold, at least if the salaries that their holders can command are any
indication.
> I have seen lots of footage where Mr Bush is placed in unscripted situations and it
> seems to me that he lacks the dynamism and thought processes to construct
> coherent and structured replies. In fact most of what he says in these
> situations end up being complete fubars (and get placed into comedy clips) -
> hardly the sign of an intelligent man.
>
On this point we agree. George W. Bush is one of the worst
extemporaneous speakers I've ever heard. However, I happen to know a
research biologist who can't *bear* to stand up in front of a room
full of people, even to accept their good wishes on her birthday.
Stage fright or whatever the problem may be, she can't even deliver a
pre-written speech, let alone answer questions. The problem is
clearly no reflection on her intelligence - which is off the scale!
Bush can at least give a good account of himself when reading a speech.
> Maybe he cons everyone that he lacks
> intelligence to lure them into a false sense of security? Don't know, but
> seriously, you should review the footage of Mr. Bush with no script, there
> is no way, at least in my book that he posses anything but a small
> smattering of intellect.
>
Have you never met a used car salesman? As a group they are
undeniably glib, but they don't engender much trust nor do they shine
on intelligence tests. If they did, they wouldn't be selling used cars!
>> C) The guy who *lost* the 2004 Presidential election had a lower GPA at
>> Yale than did the winner; ergo the winner can't possibly be the "least
>> intelligent person on the planet."
>>
> See above. Mr Bush comes from an obscenely wealthy family with lots of
> powerful connections. Vietnam war? Dad pull some strings - oh look I'm no
> longer flying there... With money and connections anything is possible.
>
Huh? What does any of that bilge have to do with Kerry or Bush's
record at Yale. Daddy didn't buy W his grades! If you wanted to be
logical (you blew any chance of that with your idiotic flying
comment!) you'd have mentioned that GPAs themselves are not a reliable
indication of intelligence, but of those qualities I mentioned below:
skill, determination & perseverance.
>> D) Never assume that raw intelligence is any substitute for skill,
>> determination or perseverance; either in work or in politics. To do so is
>> to nominate yourself for "least intelligent person on the planet."
>>
>>
> Very true. But in politics you need a certain amount of dynamism and
> eloquence so that you can head of the inevitable issues without looking bad.
> From the news coverage on this side of the Atlantic this doesn't seem to be
> the case. I know that Mr Blair is the biggest ass licker on the planet (I
> dislike Blair very much), but when you see him together with Mr Bush, the
> difference in political calibre (I'm not talking power here) is very plain
> to see.
>
Ludicrous! Substitute the word "bullshit" for dynamism in the above
paragraph and you're 'theory' makes much more sense. John Kerry, for
example, is a good bullshitter, i.e: a very dynamic speaker. That
doesn't mean he's more intelligent than Bush. It might mean that he'd
make a good used car salesmen, though.
> I guess I can see why most forums ban politics! :-)
>
This is UseNet.
--
"Communists are people who read Marx and Lenin. Anti-Communists are
people who *understand* Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan
Briarroot
You forgot to mention the Illuminati. Are you on their payroll too?
Briarroot
>
> "If verbal articulation was actually a valid measure of intelligence,
> then every used-car salesman on earth would be rightly thought smarter
> than Albert Einstein."
> - Giftzwerg
Saved for future use. ;-)
Briarroot
>
> You are obviously a very pro Bush and a very pro Republican person. To me I
> couldn't give two hoots if Mr Bush was the leader of the Monster Raving
> Loony Party or the Liberals. My post was centered on my perception and I
> suspect many other British citizens perception of what kind of a man we
> think Mr. Bush is. For better or worse, the vast majority of the media we
> see here portrays Mr Bush in this light. Maybe I'm being impetuous by
> suggesting that he lacks intelligence without having actually met him, but
> based on what I have seen I stand by my words.
>
What you're saying amounts to: "everybody knows Bush is a dummy;"
which gets classified right up there with all the other "everybody
knows" statements - on the Shelf of Idiocy.
Last summer, I saw a television spot of an interviewer at a gas
station checking public opinion about the high price of gasoline. One
young lady's comment stands out in my memory: "It's Bush's fault."
Yep. This 'brilliant' product of the American public school system
thinks the President controls gas prices. Behind her in the shot was
the vehicle whose tank she had just finished filling: it was a
Cadillac Escalade (a huge luxury SUV)! I laughed my ass off at the
time, but your post reminds me of just how stupid people really can
be. It remains unfortunate that in your country and mine, no
intelligence test is required to determine eligibility to vote!
Rob Pollard
>
> Huh? Aren't you the drone who claimed that Mr. Bush was the "least
> intelligent person on the planet"?
>
> Or was that some other fuckwit?
>
paragraph where I state that idiocy has nothing to do with inteligence. You
get idiots at both ends of the spectrum.
>> > I've got an MBA. And it ain't from Harvard, either. And the very last
>> > thing a liberal icon like Harvard gives out is a freebie to the son of
>> > George H.W. Bush.
>> >
>> > Try again, dumbass.
>>
>> Never underestimate the ability of power to corrupt. Apparently Mr. Bush
>> refused to take a blood test and went AWOL during the Vietnam incident-
>> nothing ever came of it. You can bet your ass if it was someone else,
>> they
>> would be in the slammer long before their ass hit the ground.
>
> Cite?
Are you denying he missed a drugs test and went AWOL? If so I suggest you do
a quick google, you will find many references that support this.
>
>> > "If verbal articulation was actually a valid measure of intelligence,
>> > then every used-car salesman on earth would be rightly thought smarter
>> > than Albert Einstein."
>> > - Giftzwerg
>
>> This is a true statement. However, Mr Bush decided to enter the political
>> arena where if I had to write a checklist on the skills needed, oration
>> would certainly be up there. Maybe I have seen the wrong clips, maybe the
>> media here has a mission to paint Mr Bush in a bad light, but every
>> interview I have seen him do he lacks a certain coherence, he seems to
>> fumble his words and invariably comes out with sentences that
>> unintentionally infer something else to what he was intending.
>> This indicates to me that in the best case scenario he is not thinking
>> things through and in the worse case he just lacks the mental
>> manipulation
>> to address diverse issues when presented to him on the fly. If you can
>> point
>> me to an unscripted interview where he performs well I will be more than
>> happy to review it and possibly reapraise my opinion of the man.
>
> Read through your paragraph here. Carefully. Because you start out by
> saying that I'm justified in pointing out that verbal brilliance isn't
> necessarily - even usefully - indicative of intelligence ... and then
> you desperately try to back into exactly this same contention.
>
What I was trying to say is that outright articulation is not a sign of
intelligence by itself, but it is certainly a facet.
> Try. Again.
>
>> You are obviously a very pro Bush and a very pro Republican person.
>
> Which observation makes you a particularly ignorant drone.
>
> Try. Again.
>
It would seem that I'm ignorant, so perhaps you could enlighten me?
RobP
Rob Pollard
helped when we have a regular (American made) political cartoon that
satirises Mr Bush as a child like president. If you think this isn't the
case look at a lot of the British newspaper media which is available online.
RobP
"Briarroot" <woo...@iwon.com> wrote in message
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Vincenzo Beretta
> helped when we have a regular (American made) political cartoon that
> satirises Mr Bush as a child like president. If you think this isn't the
> case look at a lot of the British newspaper media which is available
online.
There was a fantastic cartoon on an Italian newspaper, when Bush refused a
timeline for pulling out of Iraq. It showed a company of M1 tanks trying to
ride out of Baghdad with Bush, standing alone, in the middle of the road,
blocking the whole column. The caption read: "TIANANBUSH". I cut it and
taped it on the PC for a while :o)
Giftzwerg
roberta...@hotmail.com says...
> > Huh? Aren't you the drone who claimed that Mr. Bush was the "least
> > intelligent person on the planet"?
> >
> > Or was that some other fuckwit?
> >
> That was me, but in your haste to read you obviously missed out the
> paragraph where I state that idiocy has nothing to do with inteligence. You
> get idiots at both ends of the spectrum.
Idiots at both ends of *what* spectrum? The intelligence spectrum?
> >> Never underestimate the ability of power to corrupt. Apparently Mr. Bush
> >> refused to take a blood test and went AWOL during the Vietnam incident-
> >> nothing ever came of it. You can bet your ass if it was someone else,
> >> they
> >> would be in the slammer long before their ass hit the ground.
> >
> > Cite?
>
> Are you denying he missed a drugs test and went AWOL?
Are you asserting this? Pony up your evidence.
> If so I suggest you do
> a quick google, you will find many references that support this.
Then your job should be easy.
> >> You are obviously a very pro Bush and a very pro Republican person.
> >
> > Which observation makes you a particularly ignorant drone.
> >
> > Try. Again.
> >
> It would seem that I'm ignorant, so perhaps you could enlighten me?
If you'd like to discuss the myriad failings of the Bush Administration,
then you're welcome to do so; certainly a great many Americans are -
rightly - aghast at Bush's behavior in office. Of course, the counter-
arguments are rather compelling; 96% employment, a $14 trillion economy,
stock market records surpassed daily, and two enemy regimes wiped off
the map at a cost of a single regiment of troops.
So the ridiculous assertion that Bush is "the least intelligent person
on the planet" simply points out that he's smarter than at least *one*
other person.
Giftzwerg
roberta...@hotmail.com says...
> I'm just stating a common perception here in the Uk. This perception isn't
> helped when we have a regular (American made) political cartoon that
> satirises Mr Bush as a child like president. If you think this isn't the
> case look at a lot of the British newspaper media which is available online.
Perhaps this points up the dangers of drawing conclusions based on
political cartoons in The Guardian.
Giftzwerg
rec...@hotmail.com says...
Number of Americans With Political Cartoons Depicting Italian Prime
Minister Taped To Their PCs:
0
Rob Pollard
it but its not too flatering of Mr. Bush. I agree there is a danger in
drawing conclusions from cartoons, but mine were drawn from a number of
media including seeing Mr Bush's performance at political gatherings. Of
course the media that I see is media controlled by corporations which have
their own agenda, so the colouring of the content may well be skewered.
Politically, I think his father did a much better job, both in terms of
doing speeches (back to that old one again!) and in keeping most of the
civilised world onside. From outside of the States, it looks to me that Bush
Jnr had a golden opportunity to rally the world round behind his cause and
completely blew it within a space of a year.
I think this thread can come to a close with us agreeing to disagree. People
just have different opinions coloured by the environments that they find
themselves in.
RobP
"Giftzwerg" <giftzw...@NOSPAMZ.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Giftzwerg
roberta...@hotmail.com says...
> I think this thread can come to a close with us agreeing to disagree. People
> just have different opinions coloured by the environments that they find
> themselves in.
"We are each entitled to our own opinion, but no one is entitled to his
own facts."
- Daniel Patrick Moynihan
And that's the problem here. It's not your opinions I'm taking
exception to, it's your information.
Ray O'Hara
> Ray O'Hara wrote:
> > "Briarroot" <woo...@iwon.com> wrote in message
> > news:1362rdg...@corp.supernews.com...
> >> Rob Pollard wrote:
> >>> LoL. I have never been able to work out how the most powerful Country
on
> > the
> >>> planet can be ruled by the least intelligent person on the planet -
> >>> absolutely bizarre! :-)
> >>>
> >> A) I see nothing unusual or bizarre about the combination you suggest.
> >> But that's just me; maybe you do.
> >>
> >> B) This mythical "least intelligent person on the planet" that you
> >> speak of has a degree from Yale, an MBA from Harvard, and learned how
> >> to fly fighter jets. Altogether, not a bad track record for the
> >> "least intelligent person on the planet."
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > he was a yale legasy and his family{the brown's} bought the harvard
degree
> > with fine endowments
> > the real reason they let him go AWOL was because he was the worst pilot
ever
> > and they feared he would hurt somebody when he crashed.
> >
>
> You forgot to mention the Illuminati. Are you on their payroll too?
>
the bush family:something else you know nothing of.
Vincenzo Beretta
> Minister Taped To Their PCs:
>
> 0
The average American probably tapes only remakes :o)
Briarroot
> I'm just stating a common perception here in the Uk. This perception isn't
> helped when we have a regular (American made) political cartoon that
> satirises Mr Bush as a child like president. If you think this isn't the
> case look at a lot of the British newspaper media which is available online.
>
And I'm saying that "common perception" is an unreliable way to
determine what is real and what isn't.
Briarroot
Translation: Briarroot doesn't suffer from Ray's delusions.
Ray O'Hara
yeah a regiment. the 30,000 guys with one leg don't count.
and in afghanistan they are not quite wiped out and have been making a good
comback.
and of course when and if the fun in iraq ends it of course will be a
friendly regime, they will love us for destroying their country and
slaughtering their folks and unleashing a civil war., yes they will be our
friends
Ray O'Hara
> In article <7Sz8i.59668$4a....@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> roberta...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > I think this thread can come to a close with us agreeing to disagree.
People
> > just have different opinions coloured by the environments that they find
> > themselves in.
>
> "We are each entitled to our own opinion, but no one is entitled to his
> own facts."
> - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
so then , you think we found WMDs? you think the "mission accomplished"?
nobody has had "their own facts" more than the chimpenfuhrer and his gang.
Ray O'Hara
Briarroot doesn't suffer from Ray's delusions.
briarfruit makes up what he doesn't know.
translation: briarfruit makes up everything.