About BC3K to whom it may concern
ta...@home.com
Just an observation.
There have been many titles in the past that have been virtually
unplayable out of the box MOM and Daggerfall for a couple of examples.
As for graphics quality my opinion is this: Quoting from a beer
commercial "Tastes great, less filling" I have seen many many many
games get all hyped up on "Spectactular 3d graphics, stunning
cinematics" but when you get right down to it they have no fill (they
taste great) no gameplay at all.
Now I am the type of game player that likes detail and lots of
it (if its an rpg I want to be able to define how long a characters
finger naisl are, if its a space sim I want to be able to tell my crew
when to go to the bathroom) From what I've seen of BC3K it has that
kind of detail. As for the comments on hype and actual product I'll
refer to Bullfrogs release Dungeon keeper...It was said that it was
going to be a Dungeon keeper making a dungeon and a second
(multiplayer) hero(s) player would adventure into it. This did not
happen.
I am just babbling now but from the posts I've seen I'd have
to say that Derek Smart is responding in kind to the posts he recieves
(he gets and abusive post he is a abusive he gets a constructive post
he responds civily)
Now I have a feeling that this post will be shredded, flamed
or applauded but I don't really care I just wanted to vent....I do
have to say that BC3K is about the only game of its genre and thus may
have bugs....Orville and Wilber Wright didn't fly two days after
decideing to try they had a lot of trial and error (and crashes >g<)
Any way thank all of you for your time.
Ted L. Chen
news:3774fbe0...@news.giganews.com...
> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:26:48 GMT, ta...@home.com wrote:
>
> >from the posts I've seen I'd have to say that Derek Smart is
> >responding in kind to the posts he recieves
>
> Drag up a chair, pop some popcorn and observe.
A "Derek, your Ph.D. is as useful as the toilet paper in the bathroom" is
not a civil message to him. But I guess the double standard is in effect
here. Insults, innunedos, etc are fine from us, but anything from Derek is
auto-flame. That's not to say he hasn't flamed, insulted, or done otherwise
to people here, but as your quote of Talas says up top, he returns what you
give him.
BTW, bp's probably going to come back in here and say that I'm some sort of
lackey, but if you've bothered to read my posts, I've critized both Derek
and BC3K before but at least it was done in a civil manner, hence I haven't
received any insults, etc from him. But as usual, you're going to have some
people try to use that argumentative flaw (character attack) just because
they can't think of anything viable to say. Oh well, that's my two cents.
Ted
Kevin McGuire
: A "Derek, your Ph.D. is as useful as the toilet paper in the bathroom" is
: not a civil message to him. But I guess the double standard is in effect
: here. Insults, innunedos, etc are fine from us, but anything from Derek is
: auto-flame. That's not to say he hasn't flamed, insulted, or done otherwise
: to people here, but as your quote of Talas says up top, he returns what you
: give him.
Ted, if I follow your logic, what did Bill Huffman do to deserve the
attempt by Dan Brooks and Derek Smart to get Bill fired?
Or do you think that was fair game on their part?
--
Kevin McGuire
University of Pennsylvania
#Remove the 2 "moo" to reply#
Fib Dynamo
> > >from the posts I've seen I'd have to say that Derek Smart is
> > >responding in kind to the posts he recieves
> >
> > You haven't been around here for very long have you?
> > Drag up a chair, pop some popcorn and observe.
>
> A "Derek, your Ph.D. is as useful as the toilet paper in the bathroom"
> is not a civil message to him. But I guess the double standard is in
> effect here. Insults, innunedos, etc are fine from us, but anything
> from Derek is auto-flame.
Ted, let me explain something about human nature to you. People do not
start hating people without a reason. The reasons may not make sense
(eg: Racism), but there is a reason. The many people who flame your
employer when he shows up on this newsgroup have not decided en masse to
do it for no reason at all. There are reasons. Many. He's an asshole,
a liar, a braggart, a spammer and more - I'm sure you've heard most of
these. These perceptions did not arise out of a vacuum. They came from
Spambo's own words. Please drop the double standard nonsense, it's
insulting my intelligence.
> That's not to say he hasn't flamed,
> insulted, or done otherwise to people here, but as your quote of Talas
> says up top, he returns what you give him.
The record shows - and you are lying if you deny this - that your puppet
master has earned every flame tossed his way.
> BTW, bp's probably going to come back in here and say that I'm some
> sort of lackey,
No, you're not a lackey. You're a paid PR flack. How many posts did
you run up in the past few days? 40? 50?
> but if you've bothered to read my posts, I've critized
> both Derek and BC3K before but at least it was done in a civil manner,
Ted, your infrequent "tsk tsk naughty naughty" posts are so
transparently a ploy to appear 'objective' that it seems almost
unneccessary to point it out. But they are pretty funny. You make me
think of a blinded-with-love mother scolding her devil child for
spilling blood on the kitchen floor (while he skins the neighbor's cat).
> hence I haven't received any insults, etc from him.
Of course not. He trusts your experience in the reputation salvage
business. He'll let you get away with stuff like that for now. BTW,
you really are good at this. I'm very impressed. I like the way you've
arranged all these 'neutral' first-time posters to come out of the
woodwork and praise Derek. He's not paying you enough, that's all I can
say.
> But as usual,
> you're going to have some people try to use that argumentative flaw
> (character attack) just because they can't think of anything viable to
> say. Oh well, that's my two cents.
Thanks for the two cents. If you keep up this pace for a few more weeks
I should be able to afford a new car!
--
Fib Dynamo
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Derek Smart
wrote:
<snip>
>Ted, let me explain something about human nature to you.
<snip>
For FUCK sake, will you STICK to ONE alias yer jackass? Its bad enough
that I'm overworking Agent with all the rules I have to define to
block out this crap, now I have to deal with all sorts of variations.
Your opinions are your own and as a detractor (a brain dead one at
that), you are nothing but an embrassment to notables like BH, Typhon,
PJL and the other cronies. You are in the same league as that fool,
bp, who just types, nobody responds, he just types and types and
types.
Sheesh!
Derek Smart, Ph.D.
Designer/Lead Developer
The Battlecruiser Series
www.bc3000ad.com
"It's not everyone telling me it can't be done that bothers me.
It's them interrupting me while I'm doing it!"
Ted L. Chen
news:7kleno$ppj$2...@netnews.upenn.edu...> : A "Derek, your Ph.D. is as useful as the toilet paper in the bathroom"
is
> : not a civil message to him. But I guess the double standard is in
effect
> : here. Insults, innunedos, etc are fine from us, but anything from Derek
is
otherwise
> : to people here, but as your quote of Talas says up top, he returns what
you
> : give him.
>
> attempt by Dan Brooks and Derek Smart to get Bill fired?
>
> Or do you think that was fair game on their part?
>
Point taken, but both sides have done wrong. What Dan and Derek did (I
assume you're talking about the NCR thing) is just as bad as shadow
threating to get GATech to take my account down.
Now, the thing I see though, is that a lot of people who have been
interjecting have been saying, "It's not my fault, he made me do it." or
"look mommy, he did, so can I", Well, anyone past puberty should have
realized that such excuses are non-sense. YOU did it, no one FORCED you to
do it. Take responsibility for crying out loud.
Coupled with that, is attitude shared by school yard boys who take sticks
and poke at a dog, then once bitten, cry about it. Jesus, if you're going
to poke at the dog, EXPECT to be bitten. Don't bitch about it.
Sorry for this outburst, but it's apparent some of you only listen in such
circumstances.
Ted
Ted L. Chen
news:7klnnn$dtb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Ted Chen, deluded spam defender, wrote:
>
> > A "Derek, your Ph.D. is as useful as the toilet paper in the bathroom"
> > is not a civil message to him. But I guess the double standard is in
> > effect here. Insults, innunedos, etc are fine from us, but anything
> > from Derek is auto-flame.
>
> start hating people without a reason. The reasons may not make sense
This is beyond human nature. Human nature involves tolerance. It's
apparent some of you here lack it. Human nature involves civility and
respect. Again, a number of the participants in this whole mess have not
shown any. Does this include Derek? Does it include Dan? Yes, they've had
their fair share of flaming. But does it include any of you guys? Strange
thing is, I hear a great shout of NOOO! across the hall. Why so? Because
"he's an asshole and deserves anything he gets." is one of the most favorite
excuses. Now, listen to yourself for once. What sort of twisted
double-standard logic is that?
> (eg: Racism), but there is a reason. The many people who flame your
> employer when he shows up on this newsgroup have not decided en masse to
> do it for no reason at all. There are reasons. Many. He's an asshole,
> a liar, a braggart, a spammer and more - I'm sure you've heard most of
> these. These perceptions did not arise out of a vacuum. They came from
> Spambo's own words. Please drop the double standard nonsense, it's
> insulting my intelligence.
Um, you do realize double-standards are NOT mutually exclusive with reasons.
You can have your hatred of DKS for any reason you wish but are still able
to apply double-standards.
> > That's not to say he hasn't flamed,
> > insulted, or done otherwise to people here, but as your quote of Talas
> > says up top, he returns what you give him.
>
> The record shows - and you are lying if you deny this - that your puppet
> master has earned every flame tossed his way.
Yes, he earned it just as much as the person who invoked him. As I said in
an earlier post, poke the dog and expect to be bit. Of course, we don't see
it that way. At this point, it's turned into an adolesent game to see who
can flame-bait Derek the best. Hell, you all have probably seen the post
following Typhon's 10-things I hate. Did you see that obvious troll bait?
Comon' stop pretending to be angelic on this matter. Take responsibility
for your own behavior instead of pan-handling it off to someone else!
> No, you're not a lackey. You're a paid PR flack. How many posts did
> you run up in the past few days? 40? 50?
I've run up this many posts because a) I'm sick and have nothing better to
do, and b) This aspect of the NG has degenerated so badly that hardly any
conversation of BC3K can get through unscathed. Go do a deja-news search
and see how many actual attempts are littered with flame-baits, and
so-forth. If you hate Derek, you have every right to do so, but when you're
hatred tramples on discussion threads (filling them with all sorts of
flame-baits) then that's where I draw the line. Take your "Lets' see who
can poke the dog the longest" game and go to alt.flame.derek
As for being his PR flack, is that your new category for me? Can't seem to
argue my points so you have to resort to character assasination? Get real.
If you've bothered to take a look at past posts, you can see that I've
pointed out flaws in BC3K, et al. That's all I wanted to do. Have a
discussion of BC3K, good points and bad points. But some of you, for
twisted reasons, just can't seem to let one go by.
> > but if you've bothered to read my posts, I've critized
> > both Derek and BC3K before but at least it was done in a civil manner,
>
> Ted, your infrequent "tsk tsk naughty naughty" posts are so
> transparently a ploy to appear 'objective' that it seems almost
> unneccessary to point it out. But they are pretty funny. You make me
> think of a blinded-with-love mother scolding her devil child for
> spilling blood on the kitchen floor (while he skins the neighbor's cat).
Oh yes, I must be Dan. Is that what you're saying? Is your ego so fragile
that you can't possibly comphrend that someone not related to Derek or his
vice squad actually has something to say about your dispicable behavior? No
no, maybe JoeBS did put it best, saying that if I'm neutral and I don't hate
DS with the same vernacity, then I MUST BE the Enemy. Actually, I shouldn't
be surprised, afterall, we've all seen the "Thank you Dan's" that have come
out of certain detractors whenever anyone comes by who doesn't throw a
flame-bait to the all mighty gods.
> > hence I haven't received any insults, etc from him.
>
> Of course not. He trusts your experience in the reputation salvage
> business. He'll let you get away with stuff like that for now. BTW,
> you really are good at this. I'm very impressed. I like the way you've
> arranged all these 'neutral' first-time posters to come out of the
> woodwork and praise Derek. He's not paying you enough, that's all I can
> say.
YAWN. Boy, you've really run out of materials haven't you Fib. I thought
with your repitoire, you'd come up with something better than a recycled
hash.
> > But as usual,
> > you're going to have some people try to use that argumentative flaw
> > (character attack) just because they can't think of anything viable to
> > say. Oh well, that's my two cents.
>
> Thanks for the two cents. If you keep up this pace for a few more weeks
> I should be able to afford a new car!
Nah, I'm going to donate it all to the "Give Fib a Conscience" fund. Maybe
then, you can get into an argument other than just character attacks.
Ted
Ted L. Chen
> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:41:31 -0400, "Ted L. Chen"
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
> > Jesus, if you're going
> >to poke at the dog, EXPECT to be bitten. Don't bitch about it.
>
> bitten several times?
>
> Thats why I'm here.
Nice try Gauss
Gauss_Deluxe <Gauss_...@gdm.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:26:16 -0400, "Ted L. Chen"
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
> >Derek: need to fix AI or put closer model limits on it!
>
> Bzzzt... Derek has not only 'fixed' the AI, he has stated that
> it has *very* advanced AI. He says that it is much more advanced
> than *any* other game. If anyone else had said what you just said,
> he would rip their head off with sophisticated karate movements,
> and piss down the stump.
>
> Heck, his d-d-d-octorate is in the field of Advanced AI.
Nice flame-bait by the way. I think you should win a prize for being the
first one to that topic!
Ted
Jonathan Normington
>> Jesus, if you're going
>>to poke at the dog, EXPECT to be bitten. Don't bitch about it.
>
>Ted, what if you didn't poke at the dog, and you still were
>bitten several times?
>
>Thats why I'm here.
Same here. My first encounter with Derek is a prime example; I'll dig it
up if anyone's interested (and if I can still find it).
--
Jonathan Normington
Ted L. Chen
obvious bait. Even Bill refrained from posting such things on that thread.
Heh, thought we couldn't see the other threads did you? :P
Ted
Gauss_Deluxe <Gauss_...@gdm.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:17:53 -0400, "Ted L. Chen"
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
> >Gauss_Deluxe <Gauss_...@gdm.com> wrote in message
> >news:37778ac8...@news.giganews.com...
> >> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:41:31 -0400, "Ted L. Chen"
> ><TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Jesus, if you're going
> >> >to poke at the dog, EXPECT to be bitten. Don't bitch about it.
> >>
> >> Ted, what if you didn't poke at the dog, and you still were
> >> bitten several times?
> >>
> >> Thats why I'm here.
> >
> >Nice try Gauss
>
> Huh?
>
Neale Davidson
> that), you are nothing but an embrassment to notables like BH, Typhon,
> PJL and the other cronies. You are in the same league as that fool,
> bp, who just types, nobody responds, he just types and types and
> types.
Well, having no vested interest in either 'side' here... I would consider
most of these threads juvenile.. And I would consider your very
unprofessional
nature in handling these threads a very poor mark on your account.
Plus, your game /did/ recieve 'the worst game of all time' marks from
several magazines. Suck it up and move on... really...
--
Neale Davidson
The GEM Role Playing System
http://www.rpg.net/virtue
Riboflavin
>Your opinions are your own and as a detractor (a brain dead one at
>that), you are nothing but an embrassment to notables like BH, Typhon,
>PJL and the other cronies. You are in the same league as that fool,
>bp, who just types, nobody responds, he just types and types and
>types.
Damn it, I'm off of the "Top Detractor's" chart again. I suppose I'll have
to do some more kibolacing posts or something...
--
Kevin Allegood ribotr...@mindspring.pants.com
Remove the pants from my email address to reply
"And think of all the action figures made of the people in Jabba's palace.
Action figures of dead people. " - lots42
Derek Smart
<ne...@iquest.net> wrote:
>> Your opinions are your own and as a detractor (a brain dead one at
>> that), you are nothing but an embrassment to notables like BH, Typhon,
>> PJL and the other cronies. You are in the same league as that fool,
>> bp, who just types, nobody responds, he just types and types and
>> types.
>
>Well, having no vested interest in either 'side' here... I would consider
>most of these threads juvenile.. And I would consider your very
>unprofessional
>nature in handling these threads a very poor mark on your account.
>
>Plus, your game /did/ recieve 'the worst game of all time' marks from
>several magazines. Suck it up and move on... really...
I thought that was Trespasser, SiN, Kingon Academy etc (all
multi-million dollar products btw). Silly me, what was I thinking.
Neale Davidson
> >several magazines. Suck it up and move on... really...
>
> I thought that was Trespasser, SiN, Kingon Academy etc (all
> multi-million dollar products btw). Silly me, what was I thinking.
Nope, looking over the reviews, BC3K is still pretty low down there.
Of course, the main thing against it was that it was simply not finished.
Have you considered just sitting down, writing down an /expected/
features list, and finishing a version of the game based solely on that?
From what I can tell, you're falling victim to 'feature-itis', and
constantly
wanting to add new things before the game design is together - which
hurts your game. Similar thing happened to us while working on Daggerfall.
Neale Davidson
> *set* design of what I wanted to do. Most of it, in my head (see the
> danger already) and the more cool things I dreamt up, the faster I
> wanted them in. It was all part of the big picture.
Always always always sit down and get the design document
finished. You /can/ always add to that document later, but at least
you more cleanly see the ramifications of your actions.
> Been down that 'feature creep' road a million times. Too much control
> is a bad thing. Heh, I actually have a design doc for BC:3020AD now.
> Go figure :)
Good start. Now to stick to it as much as possible! I also recommend
highly you find someone to co-work with you. It's always valuable to
bring on someone who will disagree with you about how things are
done. (Huffman probably would not be a good candidtate, however). Just
someone to point out possible better ways of handling things.
> At any rate, I've had two titles. I failed, I was a success in terms
> of production, reception etc. 1/2 ain't bad I don't think.
The main thing hitting you now is your reputation for professionalism.
The posts I see here from you and those flaming you aren't really helping
your case at all. You really need to learn to say 'enough' and just let the
flame wars go on their own. Eventually, they'll more on.
But, you also need to accept criticism. If someone points out a bug,
keep in mind it's not a personal attack against you. (Though it can
turn into such, if it's not handled properly and professionally). I have
seen you take reviews of BC3K very personally - even from new
players and reviewers, and that's not only not aided your skills in
programming and development, but very much has hurt your professional
image.
Ted L. Chen
about 2... one was to Bill about his use of *TRUTH* and the other was a
general one concerning Kill Files... ah heck, what am I saying... I'm Dan as
well, hence sure, you can find 10001 reasons.
BTW, thanks for coming out of the woodwork BP... Much appreciated. I know
how long it takes you to pronounce these words while reading. Thanks!
Ted
bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message news:37721a8a.3538890@news...
> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:18:25 -0400, "Ted L. Chen"
> <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrotf:
>
> >BTW, bp's probably going to come back in here and say that I'm some sort
of
> >lackey,
> No I'm not Lackey. ;=)
>
>
> >but if you've bothered to read my posts, I've critized both Derek
> >and BC3K before but at least it was done in a civil manner, hence I
haven't
> >received any insults, etc from him. But as usual, you're going to have
some
> >people try to use that argumentative flaw (character attack) just because
> >they can't think of anything viable to say.
>
> Please
> I've got better things to do than write long ass rants about Derek and
> his lackey. I read, think for hmmm about 3 seconds drop some shit then
> move on to reading the things I am really interested in. If you want
> to spend your day thinking of viable ways to defend Derek then by all
> means have fun. BTW you really do reach sometimes for those viable
> reason why Derek acts the way he does. Why do you have to come up with
> 10001 reasons why Derek does this or that ?
>
> Oh well that's my 1.5 cents
>
Derek Smart
<ne...@iquest.net> wrote:
>> >Plus, your game /did/ recieve 'the worst game of all time' marks from
>> >several magazines. Suck it up and move on... really...
>>
>> I thought that was Trespasser, SiN, Kingon Academy etc (all
>> multi-million dollar products btw). Silly me, what was I thinking.
>
>Nope, looking over the reviews, BC3K is still pretty low down there.
Dunno which reviews you were looking at. I guess all the low reviews
of notables like Fleet Commander, F4 etc are noteworthy too. I must be
in good company. In fact, FC got a 5/10 in Voodoo Mag as did BC3K.
It is all down to preference really.
>Of course, the main thing against it was that it was simply not finished.
v1.0, yes. That was the case.
>Have you considered just sitting down, writing down an /expected/
>features list, and finishing a version of the game based solely on that?
>
>From what I can tell, you're falling victim to 'feature-itis', and
>constantly
>wanting to add new things before the game design is together - which
>hurts your game. Similar thing happened to us while working on Daggerfall.
Yes, I'm aware of this but that is not strictly the case. I had a
*set* design of what I wanted to do. Most of it, in my head (see the
danger already) and the more cool things I dreamt up, the faster I
wanted them in. It was all part of the big picture. But, I cured
myself of that a long time ago or I'd never have finished v2.0 and
Interplay would've been pissed (to say the least) if I was late. Heck,
I took out a lot of stuff and just didn't bother with others (orbital
code etc)
Been down that 'feature creep' road a million times. Too much control
is a bad thing. Heh, I actually have a design doc for BC:3020AD now.
Go figure :)
At any rate, I've had two titles. I failed, I was a success in terms
of production, reception etc. 1/2 ain't bad I don't think.
ch...@my-deja.com
dsm...@pobox.com wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:03:10 GMT, Fib Dynamo <fib_d...@xoommail.com>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> For FUCK sake, will you STICK to ONE alias yer jackass? Its bad enough
> that I'm overworking Agent with all the rules I have to define to
> block out this crap, now I have to deal with all sorts of variations.
>
> that), you are nothing but an embrassment to notables like BH, Typhon,
> PJL and the other cronies. You are in the same league as that fool,
> bp, who just types, nobody responds, he just types and types and
> types.
>
>
> Derek Smart, Ph.D.
> Designer/Lead Developer
> The Battlecruiser Series
> www.bc3000ad.com
>
> "It's not everyone telling me it can't be done that bothers me.
> It's them interrupting me while I'm doing it!"
>
You wonder why you cant find a good publisher to take your game. Good
ole Derek Smart. Such a whiner puts publishers off and you already have
a marked reputation. It would be a real shock to see you get a big
publisher to take your game. BTW I dont think you can talk like this
and try and stir up sales for your game. Wont work, you have tried many
times before. BTW when is Battlecruiser 1000000000000000000000 due??
Derek Smart
<ne...@iquest.net> wrote:
>Always always always sit down and get the design document
>finished. You /can/ always add to that document later, but at least
>you more cleanly see the ramifications of your actions.
Yes, thats what I've been doing and Steve McConnell's books have
helped out a lot in this area.
>Good start. Now to stick to it as much as possible! I also recommend
>highly you find someone to co-work with you. It's always valuable to
>bring on someone who will disagree with you about how things are
>done. (Huffman probably would not be a good candidtate, however). Just
>someone to point out possible better ways of handling things.
Actually, there are three BC3K teams totalling 14 people now and I'm
the guy at the top. The 5 core BC3K team, 3 more exclusivel on the
Strike Pak team (the full version due in Q2 2000 and the preview BC
module thats going to be plugged into BC:3020AD) and 4 artists/models
working on models for both projects. I also have a mailing list of
about 40 testers, most of whom have been around since 1996 and have
stuck with me the whole way. I'm close to signing yet another deal
and that should get me enough funding to drop in a few more people in,
such as a couple more artists/modelers as well as get BC3K Online (the
online persistent universe due in Q3 2000), due out in Q4 2000, off
the ground. So, yes, I have all the people I need.
>> At any rate, I've had two titles. I failed, I was a success in terms
>> of production, reception etc. 1/2 ain't bad I don't think.
>
>The main thing hitting you now is your reputation for professionalism.
>The posts I see here from you and those flaming you aren't really helping
>your case at all. You really need to learn to say 'enough' and just let the
>flame wars go on their own. Eventually, they'll more on.
Tried that. You are obviously seeing this for the first time? I've not
been involved in flames for *months*.
>But, you also need to accept criticism. If someone points out a bug,
>keep in mind it's not a personal attack against you. (Though it can
>turn into such, if it's not handled properly and professionally). I have
>seen you take reviews of BC3K very personally - even from new
>players and reviewers, and that's not only not aided your skills in
>programming and development, but very much has hurt your professional
>image.
Noted.
Derek Smart
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>Hehe, go ahead and post the 10001 reasons :) IIRC correctly, I only gave
>about 2... one was to Bill about his use of *TRUTH* and the other was a
>general one concerning Kill Files... ah heck, what am I saying... I'm Dan as
>well, hence sure, you can find 10001 reasons.
>
>BTW, thanks for coming out of the woodwork BP... Much appreciated. I know
>how long it takes you to pronounce these words while reading. Thanks!
Well thats just great. You just about made his weekend. Someone
actually responded to his crap. <sigh>
PJL
> >that), you are nothing but an embrassment to notables like BH, Typhon,
> >PJL and the other cronies. You are in the same league as that fool,
> >bp, who just types, nobody responds, he just types and types and
> >types.
>
> to do some more kibolacing posts or something...
Yes, I took your place. I was sick of being one of the 'other cronies.'
If you want to try to get back on the list, try the Ted-Troll manuever.
Answere one of Ted's post with a subtle troll that he responds to,
thereby giving DKS a chance to flame you w/o having to give an excuse
like 'somebody emailed me this' or 'I'm reading this on my waffle iron.'
--
////////////////////
Pat Lundrigan
Remove $ to email
////////////////////
Ted L. Chen
news:376f7710...@news.mindspring.com...
> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:24:55 -0500, "Neale Davidson"
> <ne...@iquest.net> wrote:
>
> >Always always always sit down and get the design document
> >finished. You /can/ always add to that document later, but at least
> >you more cleanly see the ramifications of your actions.
>
> Yes, thats what I've been doing and Steve McConnell's books have
> helped out a lot in this area.
Actually out of curiosity, what's the title of the book? Might be
interesting / useful reading.
Ted
Ted L. Chen
news:7knvaj$a1o$3...@phxtst22.phx1.aro.allied.com...
Actually, I'm reading this on my spoon... what's the difference? Just give
it a rest... play time's over.
The BC3K online game is officially over. Those of you who failed to make it
to the finals, I'm sorry but that's life. Please check around for game
annoucements once 3020 is released, until then, please be civilized and
refrain from trolling in discussions, BC3K or any other threads for that
matter. Thank you.
Ted
PJL
>
> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:24:55 -0500, "Neale Davidson"
> <ne...@iquest.net> wrote:
>
> >Always always always sit down and get the design document
> >finished. You /can/ always add to that document later, but at least
> >you more cleanly see the ramifications of your actions.
>
> Yes, thats what I've been doing and Steve McConnell's books have
> helped out a lot in this area.
>
> >highly you find someone to co-work with you. It's always valuable to
> >bring on someone who will disagree with you about how things are
> >done. (Huffman probably would not be a good candidtate, however). Just
> >someone to point out possible better ways of handling things.
>
> Actually, there are three BC3K teams totalling 14 people now and I'm
> the guy at the top. The 5 core BC3K team, 3 more exclusivel on the
> Strike Pak team (the full version due in Q2 2000 and the preview BC
> module thats going to be plugged into BC:3020AD) and 4 artists/models
> working on models for both projects. I also have a mailing list of
5+3+4+DKS = 14?
Derek Smart
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>Derek Smart <dsm...@pobox.com> wrote in message
>news:376f7710...@news.mindspring.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:24:55 -0500, "Neale Davidson"
>> <ne...@iquest.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Always always always sit down and get the design document
>> >finished. You /can/ always add to that document later, but at least
>> >you more cleanly see the ramifications of your actions.
>>
>> Yes, thats what I've been doing and Steve McConnell's books have
>> helped out a lot in this area.
>
>Actually out of curiosity, what's the title of the book? Might be
>interesting / useful reading.
There are two of them and come highly recommended
Code Complete by Steve McConnell
A Practical Handbook Of Software Construction
Microsoft Press, ISBN 1-55615-484-4
Rapid Development by Steve McConnell
Taming Wild Software Schedules
Microsoft Press, ISBN 1-55615-900-5
They are about $35 each and worth every dime.
When I went to my library to look up the ISBN, I came across some of
my AI books you may be interested in. I only mention them based on
your posts regarding AI. They are listed in order of importance and
recommendation.
Introduction To Artificial Intelligence by Philip C. Jackson. Jr,
Dover, ISBN 0-486-24864-X
C++ Neural Networks & Fuzzy Logic (second edition) by Dr. Valluru B.
Rao and Hayagriva V. Rao
M&T Books, ISBN 1-55851-552-6
Fuzzy Logic For Business & Industry, by Earl Cox
Charles River Media, ISBN 1-886801-01-0
Derek Smart
>Riboflavin wrote:
>>
>> Derek Smart wrote in message <3770757f...@news.mindspring.com>...
>> >Your opinions are your own and as a detractor (a brain dead one at
>> >that), you are nothing but an embrassment to notables like BH, Typhon,
>> >PJL and the other cronies. You are in the same league as that fool,
>> >bp, who just types, nobody responds, he just types and types and
>> >types.
>>
>> Damn it, I'm off of the "Top Detractor's" chart again. I suppose I'll have
>> to do some more kibolacing posts or something...
>
>Yes, I took your place. I was sick of being one of the 'other cronies.'
>
>If you want to try to get back on the list, try the Ted-Troll manuever.
>Answere one of Ted's post with a subtle troll that he responds to,
>thereby giving DKS a chance to flame you w/o having to give an excuse
>like 'somebody emailed me this' or 'I'm reading this on my waffle iron.'
LOL!
Derek Smart
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>The BC3K online game is officially over. Those of you who failed to make it
>to the finals, I'm sorry but that's life. Please check around for game
>annoucements once 3020 is released, until then, please be civilized and
>refrain from trolling in discussions, BC3K or any other threads for that
>matter. Thank you.
Amen!
Fib Dynamo
dsm...@pobox.com wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:34:32 -0400, "Ted L. Chen"
> <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
> >The BC3K online game is officially over. Those of you who failed to
make it
> >to the finals, I'm sorry but that's life. Please check around for
game
> >annoucements once 3020 is released, until then, please be civilized
and
> >refrain from trolling in discussions, BC3K or any other threads for
that
> >matter. Thank you.
>
> Amen!
Yes, a golden age with no BC3K posts, wouldn't it be wonderful...
But wait, we had such a golden age not too long ago. About two weeks of
BC3K-free bliss. No Derek Smart, no Bill Huffman, no Dan Brooks, no bp,
No Ted Chen. It was wonderful. But what ended it? What threw this
newsgroup into the hell it is in today?
Oh yeah, Derek had to tell us about yet another cool thing in his
nowhere-near-release game. Spam.
I hope, Derek, that your very ironic "Amen!" also refers to Ted's
statement about "checking around for announcements once 3020 is
released". No spam announcements for a unfinished game = no flamewar.
Once the present skirmish dies out (or when Ted finally succumbs to his
perpetual flu), the golden age will be back.
And wouldn't that be lovely?
--
Fib Dynamo
Ted L. Chen
Hehe, coming back for more eh Fibby? If you really don't want to hear about
BC3K like you so adamently claim, then plonk it. Filter it, kill it. There
are hundreds if not thousands of people who have already done so.
Your persistence in claiming that you don't want to hear about the game in
the "golden age" as you call it, coupled with the fact that you just can't
stop posting troll messages, it's clear to everyone, detractors, supports,
observers, (heck, even some people's pet parrots can see it ) that you're
just a poor ol' lonely troll who really, really, oh-so-badly, needs to post
something just to feel special. We'll you've done it Fib, you're the one
and only troll dumb enough to come back. Yessiree bob, you've won the
coveted "I'm the lamest, loneliest troll in the CSIPGS newsgroup."
Congratulations! Everyone, give him a hand... (just be sure to wash it
afterwards)
As for your silly "announcements for a unfinished game = no flamewar" go
bother Chris if you're really serious which from now, no one believes you
are. Everyone, chorus time, HEHEHEHE HOHOHOHO HAHAHAHA.
Now, that we've all had a good laugh on Fib's poor miserable excuse for a
troll, this is currently a discussion topic. Trolling and general bullshit
is not welcomed. If you really really hate Derek and need to post
something, goto alt.flame. This is comp.sys.ibm.pc.game.strategic, and
anything along those lines are OFF-TOPIC. After the 100th time saying that,
anyone still trying to troll in these waters has got to be the dumbest
idiots on the face of the earth. Oh hi Fib, didn't see you there <g>
Ted
Riboflavin
It appears that his math is about as good as his English...
Riboflavin
>Actually, I'm reading this on my spoon... what's the difference? Just give
>it a rest... play time's over.
What's the matter, Ted, you don't like your idol's strange tales being
pointed out?
>The BC3K online game is officially over. Those of you who failed to make
it
>to the finals, I'm sorry but that's life. Please check around for game
>annoucements once 3020 is released, until then, please be civilized and
>refrain from trolling in discussions, BC3K or any other threads for that
>matter. Thank you.
This demonstrates Ted's 'unbiased' nature - he has unilaterally decided that
since Derek didn't keep flaming Typhoon after a few posts, Derek is now nice
and clean and perfect. The BC3K online game is over for me whenever Derek
either posts like a sane person on a consistent basis (note: claiming that
there are no bugs, merely flaws, and claiming that 12=14 do not qualify as
sane posts), or when he stops posting on newsgroups I read.
Free speech cuts both ways, Teddy-baby.
Ted L. Chen
news:7kp3nr$mcv$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net...
>
> This demonstrates Ted's 'unbiased' nature - he has unilaterally decided
that
> since Derek didn't keep flaming Typhoon after a few posts, Derek is now
nice
> and clean and perfect.
Just as I am giving Typhon a second chance. Don't be jealous. Frankly,
he's shown more gumption to try this game than you have shown. You just
keep coming back to interject your own little "Look at ME Look at ME!"
posts.
> The BC3K online game is over for me whenever Derek
> either posts like a sane person on a consistent basis
Then stop baiting. Duh... but then again, you said it was fun. Catch 22?
> Free speech cuts both ways, Teddy-baby.
Hehe, thanks for the setup Ribo. If you've bothered to look, there are
limits to free-speech. You're granted such rights as long as it does not
interfere with the rights of others. Judging by past history with trolling
and BC3K threads, trollers such as yourself, who purposely interject
entirely off-topic posts with the hopes of alliciting flame-responses,
quelch any possible conversation in the current topic. This is akin to
setting up a demonstration which blockades the entrance to a hospital for
instance. Sure, you have the right to air your concerns, but NOT when it
disrupts the ability of others to do the same. And considering that this is
a game discussion forum first, and not a flame forum, this conversation has
the right of way.
As I said before, if you wish to lambast Derek, go right ahead, but not
here. Create alt.flame.derek if you must. Worst case scenario, create a
new thread. But at least have the decency to show a glimmer of respect to
all invovled in this thread, not just Derek. To Typhon, me, and anyone for
that matter.
Ted
Dan
proliferation of the BC3K threads. I suspect you enjoying it.
Ted L. Chen <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in message
news:7km2bm$e7n$1...@news-int.gatech.edu...
> Fib Dynamo <fib_d...@xoommail.com> wrote in message
> news:7klnnn$dtb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > Ted Chen, deluded spam defender, wrote:
> >
> > > A "Derek, your Ph.D. is as useful as the toilet paper in the bathroom"
> > > is not a civil message to him. But I guess the double standard is in
> > > effect here. Insults, innunedos, etc are fine from us, but anything
> > > from Derek is auto-flame.
> >
> > Ted, let me explain something about human nature to you. People do not
> > start hating people without a reason. The reasons may not make sense
>
> This is beyond human nature. Human nature involves tolerance. It's
> apparent some of you here lack it. Human nature involves civility and
> respect. Again, a number of the participants in this whole mess have not
> shown any. Does this include Derek? Does it include Dan? Yes, they've
had
> their fair share of flaming. But does it include any of you guys?
Strange
> thing is, I hear a great shout of NOOO! across the hall. Why so? Because
> "he's an asshole and deserves anything he gets." is one of the most
favorite
> excuses. Now, listen to yourself for once. What sort of twisted
> double-standard logic is that?
<snip>
Dan
> > Riboflavin wrote:
> > >
> > > Derek Smart wrote in message
<3770757f...@news.mindspring.com>...
> > > >Your opinions are your own and as a detractor (a brain dead one at
> > > >that), you are nothing but an embrassment to notables like BH,
Typhon,
> > > >PJL and the other cronies. You are in the same league as that fool,
> > > >bp, who just types, nobody responds, he just types and types and
> > > >types.
> > >
> > > Damn it, I'm off of the "Top Detractor's" chart again. I suppose I'll
> have
> > > to do some more kibolacing posts or something...
> >
> > Yes, I took your place. I was sick of being one of the 'other cronies.'
> >
> > If you want to try to get back on the list, try the Ted-Troll manuever.
> > Answere one of Ted's post with a subtle troll that he responds to,
> > thereby giving DKS a chance to flame you w/o having to give an excuse
>
> Actually, I'm reading this on my spoon... what's the difference? Just
give
> it a rest... play time's over.
>
it
> to the finals, I'm sorry but that's life. Please check around for game
> annoucements once 3020 is released, until then, please be civilized and
> refrain from trolling in discussions, BC3K or any other threads for that
> matter. Thank you.
Good, Ted. Then please shut up. That will help immensely. Thanks.
Ted L. Chen
news:37702e92....@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
> On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:10:31 GMT, dsm...@pobox.com (Derek Smart)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Tried that. You are obviously seeing this for the first time? I've not
> >been involved in flames for *months*.
>
> *months* only if it equates to hours. As can be seen the lying PhD
> Fraud only just posted this the prior day before writing the above.
>
> Ted, any comments, you claim objectivity but even you have seen the
> lying PhD Fraud's posts but you don't have anything to say about his
> lie to *Months* in participating?
Jimmy, as your posts tend to border on civilized, with only possible
overtones of trolling (PhD fraud, yadda yadda, like I care <g>) remarks
thrown in, I feel obligated to respond.
Do a dejanews power search
Forum: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic
Author: Derek Smart
skip to the ones before this thread started (ie: June 20th, Meet Tamara
(female), Co and before). Read each posting. Other than talk about his
game (responses to jokes about Bc3K from Joe and I), and answering questions
about it, and your general Derek Smart soapbox rants, there's no
flame-ridden off the top of the head remarks we've all come to enjoy <sigh>.
Then go to Bill's site, read up on what a Derek's past involvement in
flame-threads look like, and swap back and forth until you see the
difference.
So, depending on where you set the treshold, it can be months or 1.5 months
(last flame I can pin-point is May 11/99 in Re: BC3K: Derek's
"Notification...)
Ted
Riboflavin
If I was going to be jealous of that, I'd be too busy still being jealous of
Derek's courting of Krud to bother. Plus I really don't care about the
approval of the sort of person who believes that Derek has a PhD. I could
simply claim that mysterious gremlins are making me write all of these
posts, and by your logic you couldn't say that that was false.
>Frankly,
>he's shown more gumption to try this game than you have shown.
Why would I waste my time on it, even if I could acquire it for free?
Derek's already admitted that the interface is pointlessly complex, that the
gameplay is shallow, and that any bugs will be called 'flaws'. I also have
no desire to kiss ass to get tech support if it doesn't work properly.
>You just
>keep coming back to interject your own little "Look at ME Look at ME!"
>posts.
>
At least I don't spend 8hrs a day posting multi-kilobyte rants in defense of
an obnoxious PhD fraud...
>
>> The BC3K online game is over for me whenever Derek
>> either posts like a sane person on a consistent basis
>
>Then stop baiting. Duh... but then again, you said it was fun. Catch 22?
>
I'm flaming. If I really felt like baiting Derek, I could get him to respond
to me directly despite his imaginary killfile; he has certain traits that
would be easily exploitable if I really cared to.
>
>> Free speech cuts both ways, Teddy-baby.
>
>Hehe, thanks for the setup Ribo. If you've bothered to look, there are
>limits to free-speech. You're granted such rights as long as it does not
>interfere with the rights of others.
That's right - I can't stop Derek from posting here, but he can't stop me
from mocking his antics.
> Judging by past history with trolling
>and BC3K threads, trollers such as yourself, who purposely interject
>entirely off-topic posts with the hopes of alliciting flame-responses,
>quelch any possible conversation in the current topic.
Actually, I make the flame responses myself. Also, how does my posting
"quelch" conversation? It's not like anyone's posts fail to appear because
my posts were there. And why doesn't this standard apply to your hero Derek
Smart? He posts off-topic stuff to .strategic all the time; your double
standard just demonstrates your lack of 'neutrality'.
> This is akin to
>setting up a demonstration which blockades the entrance to a hospital for
>instance. Sure, you have the right to air your concerns, but NOT when it
>disrupts the ability of others to do the same.
Again, how do my posts 'disrupt' anyone's ability to read these threads? The
equivalent to blocking a hospital entrance would be cancelling people's
posts. No one is forced to read my posts, and any argument you make about me
being 'disruptive' applies to Mr. Smart also.
> And considering that this is
>a game discussion forum first, and not a flame forum, this conversation has
>the right of way.
This is a forum for discussion of strategic games, not space-sims. Derek's
ramblings are off-topic anyway. BTW, if there should only be game posts in
this thread, why are you posting a bunch of non-game realted posts?
Hypocrite.
>As I said before, if you wish to lambast Derek, go right ahead, but not
>here. Create alt.flame.derek if you must.
Derek already has alt.games.bc3000ad - he can easily confine his posts to
that group and I'll never respond to him again. As long as he posts in
groups that I see, I'll continue to respond to him. Why the double standard,
Ted the unaffiliated?
> Worst case scenario, create a
>new thread.
Why? So you can gripe about me filling up the NG with new threads?
> But at least have the decency to show a glimmer of respect to
>all invovled in this thread, not just Derek. To Typhon, me, and anyone for
>that matter.
Quite frankly, I cannot respect anyone who believes that Derek has a PhD.
Even Dan doesn't believe in the PhD anymore.
Jimmy Chan
wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:24:55 -0500, "Neale Davidson"
><ne...@iquest.net> wrote:
>Actually, there are three BC3K teams totalling 14 people now and I'm
>the guy at the top. The 5 core BC3K team, 3 more exclusivel on the
>Strike Pak team (the full version due in Q2 2000 and the preview BC
>module thats going to be plugged into BC:3020AD) and 4 artists/models
>working on models for both projects. I also have a mailing list of
>about 40 testers, most of whom have been around since 1996 and have
>stuck with me the whole way. I'm close to signing yet another deal
>and that should get me enough funding to drop in a few more people in,
>such as a couple more artists/modelers as well as get BC3K Online (the
>online persistent universe due in Q3 2000), due out in Q4 2000, off
>the ground. So, yes, I have all the people I need.
Given that the PhD Fraud is a liar, as proven below, you have to take
what he claims above with a bucket of salt. Makes it difficult to
believe what a proven liar claims, doesn't it.
>>The main thing hitting you now is your reputation for professionalism.
>>The posts I see here from you and those flaming you aren't really helping
>>your case at all. You really need to learn to say 'enough' and just let the
>>flame wars go on their own. Eventually, they'll more on.
>
>Tried that. You are obviously seeing this for the first time? I've not
>been involved in flames for *months*.
As you can see the PhD fraud lies about his non-involvement as being
*months* only if it equates to hours. As can be seen the lying PhD
Fraud only just posted this the prior day before writing the above.
Ted, any comments, you claim objectivity but even you have seen the
lying PhD Fraud's posts but you don't have anything to say about his
lie to *Months* in participating?
*** Begin insert ***
From: dsm...@pobox.com (Derek Smart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic
Subject: Re: About BC3K to whom it may concern
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:28:34 GMT
Organization: 3000AD
On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:03:10 GMT, Fib Dynamo <fib_d...@xoommail.com>
wrote:
<snip>
>Ted, let me explain something about human nature to you.
<snip>
For FUCK sake, will you STICK to ONE alias yer jackass? Its bad enough
that I'm overworking Agent with all the rules I have to define to
block out this crap, now I have to deal with all sorts of variations.
Your opinions are your own and as a detractor (a brain dead one at
that), you are nothing but an embrassment to notables like BH, Typhon,
PJL and the other cronies. You are in the same league as that fool,
bp, who just types, nobody responds, he just types and types and
types.
Sheesh!
*** End insert ***
>>But, you also need to accept criticism. If someone points out a bug,
>>keep in mind it's not a personal attack against you. (Though it can
>>turn into such, if it's not handled properly and professionally). I have
>>seen you take reviews of BC3K very personally - even from new
>>players and reviewers, and that's not only not aided your skills in
>>programming and development, but very much has hurt your professional
>>image.
>
>Noted.
And apparently forgotten.
Gary Hladik
>Fib Dynamo <fib_d...@xoommail.com> wrote in message
>news:7klnnn$dtb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
[snip]
>> Ted, let me explain something about human nature to you. People do not
>> start hating people without a reason. The reasons may not make sense
>This is beyond human nature. Human nature involves tolerance.
BWAHAHAHA!
>Human nature involves civility and respect.
WHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh, man, what a knee-slapper! Good one, Ted! :-)
Gary
bp
>anything along those lines are OFF-TOPIC. After the 100th time saying that,
>anyone still trying to troll in these waters has got to be the dumbest
>idiots on the face of the earth. Oh hi Fib, didn't see you there <g>
>
>
>Ted
>
Can you say T-R-O-L-L
>
bp
>
>> it a rest... play time's over.
>>
>> The BC3K online game is officially over.
I am TED hear me roar !
Ted who made the official online game ref ?
Kevin McGuire
: This is comp.sys.ibm.pc.game.strategic, and
: anything along those lines are OFF-TOPIC.
And actually, Ted, with the exception of yourself, no one else that I
know of believes that BC3K is a strategy game. And hence it is off topic
here, and would more appropriately be discussed in csipg.space-sim.
And, just so you know, Derek's commercial announcements regarding his
game belong in cspig.announce (and perhaps csipg.space-sim).
--
Kevin McGuire
University of Pennsylvania
#Remove the 2 "moo" to reply#
Kevin McGuire
: As you can see the PhD fraud lies about his non-involvement as being
: *months* only if it equates to hours. As can be seen the lying PhD
: Fraud only just posted this the prior day before writing the above.
Jimmy,
Thanks for saving me the time of dredging dejanews to expose that
particular lie. It seems to me that somewhere in Derek's brain he
equates saying something with making it true. How else to explain his
consistency in saying things that just aren't true?
Fib Dynamo
> Hehe, coming back for more eh Fibby? If you really don't want to hear
> about BC3K like you so adamently claim, then plonk it. Filter it,
> kill it. There are hundreds if not thousands of people who have
> already done so.
On the contrary, I enjoy these BC3K threads. Derek's ridiculous boasts
about a game that doesn't exist are kind of amusing. However, I don't
want any people that may not know his past history to be swayed by his
spam to think there is anything behind his words. That's why I refuse
to ignore his persistant spam and continue to mock his naive supporters.
> Your persistence in claiming that you don't want to hear about the
> game in the "golden age" as you call it, coupled with the fact that
> you just can't stop posting troll messages,
What are you talking about, you nitwit? I average less than a post a
day to this discussion while you are well over 10, recently peaking at
37 (!!!) on Monday. And you call ME a troll? Do you know what a troll
is? I'm only responding (note: RESPONDING) to a fraction of your nutbar
posts so you don't completely dominate the discussion. Looking at the
dejanews diagrams for all the BC3K threads shows you getting the last
post in almost every discussion path. If I'm a troll, then you're a
troll's every desire: someone who responds to EVERYTHING.
> it's clear to everyone,
> detractors, supports, observers, (heck, even some people's pet parrots
> can see it ) that you're just a poor ol' lonely troll who really,
> really, oh-so-badly, needs to post something just to feel special.
I'm glad to hear you've got one of those new psychic harmonizers that
give you insight into what every one else is thinking. But I think you
might have yours miscalibrated and are instead reading what people think
about you.
> We'll you've done it Fib, you're the one and only troll dumb enough to
> come back. Yessiree bob, you've won the coveted "I'm the lamest,
> loneliest troll in the CSIPGS newsgroup." Congratulations! Everyone,
> give him a hand... (just be sure to wash it afterwards)
You know Ted, it's funny. You made such a stink about being neutral and
polite and how you thought all these unprovoked flames at Derek were
wrong (even considering his history). I write a polite post asking that
Spambo stop posting about his game until it's finished, and you respond
with juvenile sarcasm and insults. Such hypocracy. I guess your
metamorphosis into Dan Brooks is complete.
> As for your silly "announcements for a unfinished game = no flamewar"
> go bother Chris if you're really serious which from now, no one
> believes you are. Everyone, chorus time, HEHEHEHE HOHOHOHO HAHAHAHA.
I prefer to tilt at one windmill at a time. If this "Chris" (whoever he
is) spams, lies and insults for a long period of time on this group, and
is praised up and down by a pack of slobbering fanboys - yes, I will
flame him.
And Ted, they're laughing *at* you, not with you.
<snip more lame insults>
Jimmy Chan
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>Jimmy Chan <jimmy@*nospam*hgea.org> wrote in message
>news:37702e92....@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
>> On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:10:31 GMT, dsm...@pobox.com (Derek Smart)
>> wrote:
>> >Tried that. You are obviously seeing this for the first time? I've not
>> >been involved in flames for *months*.
>>
>> As you can see the PhD fraud lies about his non-involvement as being
>> *months* only if it equates to hours. As can be seen the lying PhD
>> Fraud only just posted this the prior day before writing the above.
>>
>> Ted, any comments, you claim objectivity but even you have seen the
>> lying PhD Fraud's posts but you don't have anything to say about his
>> lie to *Months* in participating?
>
>Jimmy, as your posts tend to border on civilized, with only possible
>overtones of trolling (PhD fraud, yadda yadda, like I care <g>) remarks
>thrown in, I feel obligated to respond.
>So, depending on where you set the treshold, it can be months or 1.5 months
>(last flame I can pin-point is May 11/99 in Re: BC3K: Derek's
>"Notification...)
Gods Ted, you are reaching aren't you. Try and read the dates. The
liar posted his claim in not involved for *months* the day after going
off on a flame. Let's try your reasoning with a smoker who is trying
to quit smoking. The smoker tells a friend that they haven't smoked
in *months*, then the friend says that I just saw you smoking
yesterday.
Ted are you trying to play semantic word games like Dan? Already, you
seem to be definitely following Dan's posting style. Claims of
neutrality, shotgun postings, replying to virtually every post in
rebuttal, now you are playing word games. Either the liar has stopped
flaming or he can't make the claim that he hasn't flamed in *months*
when he flamed the previous day. You claim that Bill's website is
incorrect and try to pinpoint wording flaws in Bill's website, yet you
twist what is being claimed by the PhD Fraud. Get your act straight,
you hypocrite.
Dan
Kevin McGuire <kevi...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
news:7kqp45$h9q$1...@netnews.upenn.edu...
> Ted L. Chen (TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:
> : This is comp.sys.ibm.pc.game.strategic, and
> : anything along those lines are OFF-TOPIC.
>
> And actually, Ted, with the exception of yourself, no one else that I
> know of believes that BC3K is a strategy game.
Hmmm. Even the guy who wrote the recently referenced review at OGR
acknowledges the deep strategic elements. I guess that 1.5 star review was
right on the mark, except for that obvious mistake.
Riboflavin
>You know Ted, it's funny. You made such a stink about being neutral and
>polite and how you thought all these unprovoked flames at Derek were
>wrong (even considering his history). I write a polite post asking that
>Spambo stop posting about his game until it's finished, and you respond
>with juvenile sarcasm and insults. Such hypocracy. I guess your
>metamorphosis into Dan Brooks is complete.
Not yet - I still have to create a MegaTed and release it onto this NG for a
few days.
Bill Huffman
>Riboflavin wrote:
>>
>> Derek Smart wrote in message <3770757f...@news.mindspring.com>...
>> >Your opinions are your own and as a detractor (a brain dead one at
>> >that), you are nothing but an embrassment to notables like BH, Typhon,
>> >PJL and the other cronies. You are in the same league as that fool,
>> >bp, who just types, nobody responds, he just types and types and
>> >types.
>>
>> Damn it, I'm off of the "Top Detractor's" chart again. I suppose I'll have
>> to do some more kibolacing posts or something...
>
>Yes, I took your place. I was sick of being one of the 'other cronies.'
>
>If you want to try to get back on the list, try the Ted-Troll manuever.
>Answere one of Ted's post with a subtle troll that he responds to,
>thereby giving DKS a chance to flame you w/o having to give an excuse
>like 'somebody emailed me this' or 'I'm reading this on my waffle iron.'
It sounds like a good plan. I think the easiest is to just put up a couple
of web pages about the flame war and Derek being a fraud or something
then just sit back and relax as Mr. Smart threatens you with doom and
destruction. Heck I even had a detractor of my very own for a while.
It looks like I could maybe pick up Ted as a detractor. He seems to
like to mention me in every other post or so but he's so damn boring
I can only read the first few lines of most of his posts.
Bill Huffman
<rep...@souragne.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Gauss_Deluxe <Gauss_...@gdm.com> recently wrote:
>
>>> Jesus, if you're going
>>>to poke at the dog, EXPECT to be bitten. Don't bitch about it.
>>
>>Ted, what if you didn't poke at the dog, and you still were
>>bitten several times?
>>
>>Thats why I'm here.
>
>Same here. My first encounter with Derek is a prime example; I'll dig it
>up if anyone's interested (and if I can still find it).
It was one of the incidents that was being referred to when in my
history of the flame war I said that during that period Derek managed
to establish Derek Bashing as an international pastime when he
started flaming Europeans for wanting his game.
"-2/97 & 3/97 This was also the wonderful pre-Europe release period. During
this period, Mr. Smart firmly established Derek bashing as an international
pass time. There were brief periods of time he said the European release
wouldn't be supported. He said the European release would be dud units and
you wouldn't be able to patch them with his patches. For some reason he
seemed to be especially hostile to the earliest European customers and
managed to recruit a number of long term naysayers. "
Krud
>
>Ted are you trying to play semantic word games like Dan? Already, you
>seem to be definitely following Dan's posting style.
You've noticed the similarities between Ted and Dan also, eh? In my
professional opinion, Ted/Dan is suffering from multiple personality disorder
(either that or he's just a fucking mental case). I bet one of his
personalities is a neurotic housewife (lets call her Marge). Ted/Dan/Marge
must not be taking his pills this week. Or maybe he's mistaken the pills for
suppositories again........ or visa versa. The little ones are the pills.
-Krud
Jimmy Chan
Professional opinion? I thought you were a business man not a head
shrinker...8-).
It isn't hard to notice the similarities. Even Dan started out
talking a good talk during his stint while claiming being 'objective'.
Many others have equated Ted with Dan when Ted started posting awhile
back. Considering Dan likes to play with aliases, and I wouldn't put
it past Dan, considering the infamous things he has done in the past,
to have an online posting argument with an alias of himself. I think
Dan did use his aliases in the past to agree with himself, someone
else will have to do the Deja search.
Is Ted - Dan, or is Dan - Ted, don't really know though I kind of
doubt it. Ted seems to be a bit more intelligent than Dan, but
seriously how intelligent can you be if you believe a PhD Fraud.
Jimmy Chan
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>Kevin McGuire <kevi...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
>news:7kleno$ppj$2...@netnews.upenn.edu...
>> Ted, if I follow your logic, what did Bill Huffman do to deserve the
>> attempt by Dan Brooks and Derek Smart to get Bill fired?
>>
>> Or do you think that was fair game on their part?
>Point taken, but both sides have done wrong. What Dan and Derek did (I
>assume you're talking about the NCR thing) is just as bad as shadow
>threating to get GATech to take my account down.
Let me get this straight, you are saying that trying to get someone
fired is just as bad as having an internet account revoked? Have you
ever worked in your life? Or are you the biggest hypocrite, second to
Dan, that I've ever met in this group.
I hope you don't try to use Dan's reasoning on trying to get Bill
fired. First, he claims that Bill is stalking his family and made
false claims to NCR that Bill was stalking his family, when that
turned out to be a lie, he changed his story to claim that he was only
trying to protect NCR's interest because Bill is using a company
account.
Jimmy Chan
>Ted, I trust you understand that you are in large part responsible for the
>proliferation of the BC3K threads. I suspect you enjoying it.
>
>Ted L. Chen <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in message
>news:7km2bm$e7n$1...@news-int.gatech.edu...
>> This is beyond human nature. Human nature involves tolerance. It's
>> apparent some of you here lack it. Human nature involves civility and
>> respect. Again, a number of the participants in this whole mess have not
>> shown any. Does this include Derek? Does it include Dan? Yes, they've
>had
>> their fair share of flaming. But does it include any of you guys?
>Strange
>> thing is, I hear a great shout of NOOO! across the hall. Why so? Because
>> "he's an asshole and deserves anything he gets." is one of the most
>favorite
>> excuses. Now, listen to yourself for once. What sort of twisted
>> double-standard logic is that?
Ted, trust Dan on what he said. He doth speakth from experience.
jac...@123.com
> Not yet - I still have to create a MegaTed and release it onto this NG for a
> few days.
Uh oh - Virgo might have to write a MegaTeds Great Adventure as a
supplementary piece to Megadans Great Adventure.
Dan
> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:41:31 -0400, "Ted L. Chen"
> <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
> >Kevin McGuire <kevi...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
> >news:7kleno$ppj$2...@netnews.upenn.edu...
> >> Ted, if I follow your logic, what did Bill Huffman do to deserve the
> >> attempt by Dan Brooks and Derek Smart to get Bill fired?
> >>
> >> Or do you think that was fair game on their part?
>
> >Point taken, but both sides have done wrong. What Dan and Derek did (I
> >assume you're talking about the NCR thing) is just as bad as shadow
> >threating to get GATech to take my account down.
>
> Let me get this straight, you are saying that trying to get someone
> fired is just as bad as having an internet account revoked? Have you
> ever worked in your life? Or are you the biggest hypocrite, second to
> Dan, that I've ever met in this group.
>
> I hope you don't try to use Dan's reasoning on trying to get Bill
> fired. First, he claims that Bill is stalking his family
True. And when bill clarified his position and apologized I publically
apologized and never made that claim again.
and made
> false claims to NCR that Bill was stalking his family
jimmy you are a liar. I never made a claim to NCR that bill was stalking my
family. Amazing how you can sit there in pineapple land and claim things as
facts that you have absolutely no way of knowing.
, when that
> turned out to be a lie, he changed his story to claim that he was only
> trying to protect NCR's interest because Bill is using a company
> account.
You are completely lost, jimmy. Do you enjoy being an idiot? You must, you
do it so well.
Dan
bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message news:377780dd.49311965@news...
> On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:14:13 -0500, "Dan" <d...@earthlink.net> wrotf:
> about you from his job because in your mind that was the same as
> stealing and you were worried about NCR. Silly logic and an even
> sillier lie to cover your true intent.
Well, bipshit, seing as how *your* spin on what happened is *also* off the
mark (and avoids the fact that I have clearly stated why I did contact NCR)
it seems logic doesn't really have anything to do with your response. You
prefer lying.
Bill Huffman
Someone is lying because they got that impression from someone and
it sure wasn't me.
>, when that
>> turned out to be a lie, he changed his story to claim that he was only
>> trying to protect NCR's interest because Bill is using a company
>> account.
>
>You are completely lost, jimmy. Do you enjoy being an idiot? You must, you
>do it so well.
Dan, I think you don't have a clue.
Jimmy Chan
wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:14:13 -0500, "Dan" <d...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>jimmy you are a liar. I never made a claim to NCR that bill was stalking my
>>family. Amazing how you can sit there in pineapple land and claim things as
>>facts that you have absolutely no way of knowing.
>
>Someone is lying because they got that impression from someone and
>it sure wasn't me.
Gee, maybe it was Hockey Nut, oh waitaminute that was Dan also, or
maybe it was one of his many other aliases. Considering what a liar
Dan is and how he likes to twist things, it is understandable how
twisted his idea of the state of things has become.
>>You are completely lost, jimmy. Do you enjoy being an idiot? You must, you
>>do it so well.
>
>Dan, I think you don't have a clue.
Damn, you hit it right on the nail. Of course, most readers already
knew that, even Krud and he only skims the flamewar.
Dan
Bill Huffman <huf...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:37780d63...@news.access1.net...
> >news:37720028...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
> >> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:41:31 -0400, "Ted L. Chen"
> >> <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Kevin McGuire <kevi...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
> >> >news:7kleno$ppj$2...@netnews.upenn.edu...
> >> >> Ted, if I follow your logic, what did Bill Huffman do to deserve the
> >> >> attempt by Dan Brooks and Derek Smart to get Bill fired?
> >> >>
> >> >> Or do you think that was fair game on their part?
> >>
> >> >Point taken, but both sides have done wrong. What Dan and Derek did
(I
> >> >assume you're talking about the NCR thing) is just as bad as shadow
> >> >threating to get GATech to take my account down.
> >>
> >> Let me get this straight, you are saying that trying to get someone
> >> fired is just as bad as having an internet account revoked? Have you
> >> ever worked in your life? Or are you the biggest hypocrite, second to
> >> Dan, that I've ever met in this group.
> >>
> >> I hope you don't try to use Dan's reasoning on trying to get Bill
> >> fired. First, he claims that Bill is stalking his family
> >
> >True. And when bill clarified his position and apologized I publically
> >apologized and never made that claim again.
> >
> >and made
> >> false claims to NCR that Bill was stalking his family
> >
my
> >family. Amazing how you can sit there in pineapple land and claim things
as
> >facts that you have absolutely no way of knowing.
>
> Someone is lying because they got that impression from someone and
> it sure wasn't me.
jimmy is. If NCR approached you and claimed you were stalking me I can only
assume it was because they read quite a large number of your newsgroup posts
before confronting you. It wouldn't be that hard to get that impression,
what with your postings that followed me to other NGs along with my name age
and city. You never did followup to ask NCR point blank if I told them I
thought you were stalking me, did you? I remember a very lame excuse or
two. Given that you could quite easily get this info, and that you are
entitled to the details of any complaint filed against you it is only
logical to assume you don't want to know the truth because it would remove
yet another chip from your game. And it would disappoint jimmy so to find
out that he has been totally wrong for so long.
> >, when that
> >> turned out to be a lie, he changed his story to claim that he was only
> >> trying to protect NCR's interest because Bill is using a company
> >> account.
> >
> >You are completely lost, jimmy. Do you enjoy being an idiot? You must,
you
> >do it so well.
>
> Dan, I think you don't have a clue.
I think you're a chicken, billy. Sniff, sniff. I smell another excuse
coming from you bubba.
Jimmy Chan
>jimmy is. If NCR approached you and claimed you were stalking me I can only
>assume it was because they read quite a large number of your newsgroup posts
>before confronting you. It wouldn't be that hard to get that impression,
>what with your postings that followed me to other NGs along with my name age
>and city. You never did followup to ask NCR point blank if I told them I
>thought you were stalking me, did you?
Gee, now who gave them the newsgroup posts or pointed it out to them?
I can guess. Twisting things again right? Dan provides the newsgroup
posts, where he makes others believe that Bill is stalking his family,
but he doesn't verbally tell them that Bill is stalking his family,
typical style for Dan. Gee, Dan guess you forgot to give them the
newsgroup posts showing that the whole stalking thing was YOUR fault?
Considering how cowardly you have proven yourself to be, can't really
see you taking it like a real man. As a family man like you claim
yourself to be, you are a sad and sick role model that I truly feel
sorry for your daughter, if you really have one, and any others in
your family because your are a very twisted individual that has no
shame.
Bill Huffman
>
>Bill Huffman <huf...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
...
>> Someone is lying because they got that impression from someone and
>> it sure wasn't me.
>
>jimmy is. If NCR approached you and claimed you were stalking me I can only
>assume it was because they read quite a large number of your newsgroup posts
>before confronting you. It wouldn't be that hard to get that impression,
>what with your postings that followed me to other NGs along with my name age
>and city. You never did followup to ask NCR point blank if I told them I
>thought you were stalking me, did you? I remember a very lame excuse or
>two. Given that you could quite easily get this info, and that you are
>entitled to the details of any complaint filed against you it is only
>logical to assume you don't want to know the truth because it would remove
>yet another chip from your game. And it would disappoint jimmy so to find
>out that he has been totally wrong for so long.
Here's the situation. Dan Brooks, the poor defenseless 42 year old from
Ballwin, MO, was busy defending fraud and megalomania. At one point he
seemingly became ashamed of what he'd become. In an apparent fit of guilt
and remorse he decided to turn over a new leaf and only insert levity. The
New Dan, desired a symbolic joint apology ritual because he was too weak of
character to be able to apologize on his own. In light of that and in order
to induce me to participate in the ritual, Deceptive Dan made the following
pledge to me.
"I will not badger you in any venue on BC3K issues, whether it be
about the PhD, or your website or the color of your eyes. I will
not email you unless by your invitation."
In a fit of gullible weakness I agreed and the joint ritual was performed.
The rest is known history. Deceitful Dan proceeded to break all his pledges
both publicly made and privately made. Not only did he continue badgering
me, he even contacted my employer in an attempt to assist his master in
extracting vengeance for exposing the truth of his master's fraud.
To make sure that his hypocrisy was clear public knowledge, he made many
posts saying that contacting an employer or even an ISP of a ng antagonist
was a totally disgusting and indefensible act. After setting this spring
board, Hypocrite Dan was able to catapult himself to the pinnacle of
hypocrisy, he contacted my employer and apparently gave them false or
misleading information in a desperate attempt to do harm and damage to me
and my family. Morally Bankrupt Dan is a man with zero integrity. He can't
keep his word. He must defend fraud and lies. He is somehow drawn to become
anything and everything that he claims to despise. In short, he's Hypocrite
Dan.
Dan
> On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:51:45 -0500, "Dan" <d...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >jimmy is. If NCR approached you and claimed you were stalking me I can
only
> >assume it was because they read quite a large number of your newsgroup
posts
> >before confronting you. It wouldn't be that hard to get that impression,
> >what with your postings that followed me to other NGs along with my name
age
> >and city. You never did followup to ask NCR point blank if I told them I
> >thought you were stalking me, did you?
>
> I can guess.
jimmy, why are you always so lost. No reason to guess. I've clearly stated
I sent them info. I've also clearly stated that NCR then began digging up
additional posts and monitoring bill's Internet usage. So?
Twisting things again right?
No, jimmy. But you seem wanting to invent some imainary issue. That's close
enough to twisting I suppose.
Dan provides the newsgroup
> posts, where he makes others believe that Bill is stalking his family
> but he doesn't verbally tell them that Bill is stalking his family,
I provided several posts. A small slice of what NCR reviewed. And yes, I
did not tell NCR bill was stalking me. Yes, bill is lying. Clear enough?
Good boy. Here's a biscuit.
Idiot.
Dan
> ...
> >> Someone is lying because they got that impression from someone and
> >> it sure wasn't me.
> >
only
> >assume it was because they read quite a large number of your newsgroup
posts
> >before confronting you. It wouldn't be that hard to get that impression,
> >what with your postings that followed me to other NGs along with my name
age
> >and city. You never did followup to ask NCR point blank if I told them I
> >two. Given that you could quite easily get this info, and that you are
> >entitled to the details of any complaint filed against you it is only
> >logical to assume you don't want to know the truth because it would
remove
> >yet another chip from your game. And it would disappoint jimmy so to
find
> >out that he has been totally wrong for so long.
>
> Here's the situation.
Actually, here's the situation. You're an fruitcake who stole from your
employer while pursuing your obsession and now lies about the issue.
Riboflavin
>I provided several posts. A small slice of what NCR reviewed. And yes, I
>did not tell NCR bill was stalking me. Yes, bill is lying. Clear enough?
>Good boy. Here's a biscuit.
>
>Idiot.
>
to be smacked upside the head every time you express them." - David Pacheco
Stuart Park
> > Here's the situation.
>
> Actually, here's the situation. You're an fruitcake who stole from your
> employer while pursuing your obsession and now lies about the issue.
Actually, you have no proof at all that he stole from his employer.
Stole what? Work time?
He may have used the Internet during lunch time or after hours, and that
would cost his company $0.
Perhaps you think he stole the electricity to send the messages?
Unlikely.. since the computers would be running anyway, regardless of
what
is being done on them.
Jimmy Chan
Forget it Stuart, he'll only try to rationalize his tenuous position.
He crossed the line and now is a person that has absolutely no
creditability. It's bad enough he is an idiot that his daughter, if
he actually has one, will have to bear the shame of being raised by a
worthless specimen of a human.
Dan
Stuart Park <stuar...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:377ADE0F...@ozemail.com.au...
> Dan wrote:
> > > Here's the situation.
> >
> > Actually, here's the situation. You're an fruitcake who stole from your
> > employer while pursuing your obsession and now lies about the issue.
>
> Actually, you have no proof at all that he stole from his employer.
>
> Stole what? Work time?
At the least. Dozens of hours. This is according to NCR Security.
> He may have used the Internet during lunch time or after hours, and that
> would cost his company $0.
He posted throughout the workday, hundreds of times, from his NCR account.
Dozens of hours were aparently spent on the newsgroup during work hours,
from work, using company resources. Further, even the posts during lunch
are against NCR Internet usage policy. Using company resources for game
newsgroup posting during any part of the workday is prohibited.
> Perhaps you think he stole the electricity to send the messages?
> Unlikely.. since the computers would be running anyway, regardless of
> what
> is being done on them.
Nice try. But totally incorrect. You haven't a clue regarding many
corporate Internet Usage Policies, do you?
bp
wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:18:39 -0700, Stuart Park
><stuar...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Dan wrote:
>>> > Here's the situation.
>>>
>>> Actually, here's the situation. You're an fruitcake who stole from your
>>> employer while pursuing your obsession and now lies about the issue.
>>
>>Actually, you have no proof at all that he stole from his employer.
>>
>>Stole what? Work time?
>>He may have used the Internet during lunch time or after hours, and that
>>would cost his company $0.
>>
>>Perhaps you think he stole the electricity to send the messages?
>>Unlikely.. since the computers would be running anyway, regardless of
>>what
>>is being done on them.
>
>Forget it Stuart, he'll only try to rationalize his tenuous position.
>He crossed the line and now is a person that has absolutely no
>creditability. It's bad enough he is an idiot that his daughter, if
>he actually has one, will have to bear the shame of being raised by a
>worthless specimen of a human.
>
He wants us to believe he did it out of concern for NCR's buttom line.
What guy !!
Stuart Park
> > Actually, you have no proof at all that he stole from his employer.
> >
> > Stole what? Work time?
>
>
> > would cost his company $0.
>
> Dozens of hours were aparently spent on the newsgroup during work hours,
> from work, using company resources. Further, even the posts during lunch
> are against NCR Internet usage policy. Using company resources for game
> newsgroup posting during any part of the workday is prohibited.
Then that is more restrictive than a lot of company policies on internet
usage.
If a company has a permanent internet connection then employees using it
in
their own time costs the company nothing.
> > Perhaps you think he stole the electricity to send the messages?
> > Unlikely.. since the computers would be running anyway, regardless of
> > what
> > is being done on them.
>
> Nice try. But totally incorrect. You haven't a clue regarding many
> corporate Internet Usage Policies, do you?
Please stop being abusive and condescending.. in fact I know a lot about
corporate Internet Usage Policies. The previous company I worked in,
I was the person who set up the internet email and newsgroup system and
controlled the access. A few people there posted to games newsgroups
but it was always during lunch time or after hours. The only time the
company became concerned was when people started sending/receiving large
(i.e. > 1M) mail messages to their friends.
The current company I work for is a _large_ company and their policy is
similar, although adds further conditions that you mustn't be abusive or
threatening in messages, and have to put a disclaimer saying that
"these are my opinions only and are not representative of the company"
(something like that, can't remember the exact wording) - and no
confidential information can be posted in newsgroups or sent to people
outside the company.
So.. Dan, what experience do _you_ have with corporate internet
usage policies?
Dan
> Dan wrote:
> > > Actually, you have no proof at all that he stole from his employer.
> > >
> > > Stole what? Work time?
> >
> > At the least. Dozens of hours. This is according to NCR Security.
> >
> > > He may have used the Internet during lunch time or after hours, and
that
> > > would cost his company $0.
> >
> > He posted throughout the workday, hundreds of times, from his NCR
account.
> > Dozens of hours were aparently spent on the newsgroup during work hours,
> > from work, using company resources. Further, even the posts during
lunch
> > are against NCR Internet usage policy. Using company resources for game
> > newsgroup posting during any part of the workday is prohibited.
>
> Then that is more restrictive than a lot of company policies on internet
> usage.
Possible, yes. Less restrictive than the company I work for.
> If a company has a permanent internet connection then employees using it
> in
> their own time costs the company nothing.
Pointless. If the company says "no" it means "no." Imagine how "it costs
the company nothing" could be used to justify all sorts of interesting
things that has no bearing on acceptability or legality.
> > > Perhaps you think he stole the electricity to send the messages?
> > > Unlikely.. since the computers would be running anyway, regardless of
> > > what
> > > is being done on them.
> >
> > Nice try. But totally incorrect. You haven't a clue regarding many
> > corporate Internet Usage Policies, do you?
>
> Please stop being abusive and condescending.. in fact I know a lot about
> corporate Internet Usage Policies. The previous company I worked in,
> I was the person who set up the internet email and newsgroup system and
> controlled the access. A few people there posted to games newsgroups
> but it was always during lunch time or after hours. The only time the
> company became concerned was when people started sending/receiving large
> (i.e. > 1M) mail messages to their friends.
Swell. That was your company, I have no problem with that kind of policy.
What is interesting is that you are so willing to dismiss a company policy
that clearly defines such use as a violation. Hint, don't put that info on
your next resume.
> The current company I work for is a _large_ company and their policy is
> similar, although adds further conditions that you mustn't be abusive or
> threatening in messages, and have to put a disclaimer saying that
> "these are my opinions only and are not representative of the company"
> (something like that, can't remember the exact wording) - and no
> confidential information can be posted in newsgroups or sent to people
> outside the company.
Again, I think that policy is swell.
> So.. Dan, what experience do _you_ have with corporate internet
> usage policies?
Zero tolerance. Company I work for employs tens of thousands in 8 states.
The policy does not allow any Internet usage with company resources for
anything that cannot be justified for business purposes. Work hours, off
hours. Period. There are many folks employed by the company who do nothing
more than monitor Internet traffic and review all files passed thru the
company firewall.
Stuart Park
> > So.. Dan, what experience do _you_ have with corporate internet
> > usage policies?
>
> Zero tolerance. Company I work for employs tens of thousands in 8 states.
> The policy does not allow any Internet usage with company resources for
> anything that cannot be justified for business purposes. Work hours, off
> hours. Period. There are many folks employed by the company who do nothing
> more than monitor Internet traffic and review all files passed thru the
> company firewall.
"zero tolerance"? Is it a New York company? :)
The company I work for employs tens of thousands in many countries
around
the world.. and it's policy is somewhat less restrictive (and they tend
to
trust people a little bit more).
Bill, if you're reading this thread - what exactly does the internet
policy
for your company state?
Stuart Park
Since you're so concerned about people disobeying internet policies,
I happened to notice this in Earthlink's policy:
The following are violations of EarthLink's
acceptable use policies:
...
2.9. Posting articles to any USENET or
other newsgroup, mailing list or similar
forum which are off-topic according to the
charter or other public statement of the
forum.
2.10. Disrupting any newsgroup with
frivolous, excessively vulgar, or repetitious
postings.
bp
>
>Stuart Park <stuar...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>news:377DA5DE...@ozemail.com.au...
<snip>
\>anything that cannot be justified for business purposes. Work
hours, off
>hours. Period. There are many folks employed by the company who do nothing
>more than monitor Internet traffic and review all files passed thru the
>company firewall.
>
Again Dan I ask you.
1.Why do you give a rats ass about someone posting from NCR ?
2.Do you have stock in the company ?
3.Are you afraid the price of Cash Registers will go up because of
Bill's posting?
4.If you knew they had a zero tolerance then, why didn't you think
telling on Bill would get him fired ?
5.Or was that really your intent in the first place ? If not then go
back to question 1 and start over.
>
>
Krud
And don't forget the one about posting from a mental institution.
-Krud
Krud
>
>At the least. Dozens of hours. This is according to NCR Security.
>
>Dozens of hours were aparently spent on the newsgroup during work hours,
>from work, using company resources. Further, even the posts during lunch
>are against NCR Internet usage policy. Using company resources for game
>newsgroup posting during any part of the workday is prohibited.
You're a snitch. No one likes a snitch, Dan. When I was growing up there
was kid in my neighborhood who was a snitch (Eddie). He told on me once so I
spent the next 10 years setting him up and getting him in trouble. One
Halloween we went around soaping car windows with "Eddie was here". Not
soaping his parents cars was what made all the adults in the neighborhood
believe that he did it.
I bet you were a hall monitor in elementary school, you sissy-boy.
-Krud
Bill Huffman
wrote:
>Dan wrote:
>> > So.. Dan, what experience do _you_ have with corporate internet
>> > usage policies?
>>
>> Zero tolerance. Company I work for employs tens of thousands in 8 states.
>> The policy does not allow any Internet usage with company resources for
>> anything that cannot be justified for business purposes. Work hours, off
>> hours. Period. There are many folks employed by the company who do nothing
>> more than monitor Internet traffic and review all files passed thru the
>> company firewall.
>
>"zero tolerance"? Is it a New York company? :)
>
>The company I work for employs tens of thousands in many countries
>around
>the world.. and it's policy is somewhat less restrictive (and they tend
>to
>trust people a little bit more).
>
>Bill, if you're reading this thread - what exactly does the internet
>policy
>for your company state?
I have been asked not to discuss specifics. I assume that they're
concerned about Usenet kooks being able to manipulate those
polices to get them to waste more of their limited resources. You
see only obscenely bloated and paranoid companies would have "many
folks employed by the company who do nothing more than monitor
internet traffic and review all files passed thru the company firewall".
I think Dan is just lying again about it.
Rich Goranson
>concerned about Usenet kooks being able to manipulate those
>polices to get them to waste more of their limited resources. You
>see only obscenely bloated and paranoid companies would have "many
>folks employed by the company who do nothing more than monitor
>internet traffic and review all files passed thru the company firewall".
>I think Dan is just lying again about it.
>
>
I don't know. I used to work for a company which prohibited ALL internet access
for its employees. This company quickly became technologically backwards
compared to its competitors and went from #2 to #11 among companies of its type
in this area over a period of three years. When I left their "mainframe" for
its headquarters and 6 branch offices scattered from Michigan to Vermont was a
486 with a gland problem. Was rather funny...
Rich Goranson (Lord Stephan Calvert deGrey)
Buffalo, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, Æthelmearc)
Diplomacy addict, F&E guru, Expos fan and medieval re-creationist
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - Henry
II
Dan
> Dan wrote:
> > > So.. Dan, what experience do _you_ have with corporate internet
> > > usage policies?
> >
> > Zero tolerance. Company I work for employs tens of thousands in 8
states.
> > The policy does not allow any Internet usage with company resources for
> > anything that cannot be justified for business purposes. Work hours,
off
nothing
> > more than monitor Internet traffic and review all files passed thru the
> > company firewall.
>
> "zero tolerance"? Is it a New York company? :)
I'm not from arounf them parts, so you lost me.
> The company I work for employs tens of thousands in many countries
> around
> the world.. and it's policy is somewhat less restrictive (and they tend
> to
> trust people a little bit more).
Trust has nothing to do with it. It's simply their policy. Whatever the
policy, there will always be a minority who will cross the boundaries. Does
your company require all employees with Internet access to sign an
acknowledgement of Internet Usage Policies?
> Bill, if you're reading this thread - what exactly does the internet
> policy
> for your company state?
I suggested, well before contacting NCR with the specifics, that he become
familiar with his company's policy. I suspect he didn't or he wouldn't have
continued to be so reckless.
Dan
> Dan,
> Since you're so concerned about people disobeying internet policies,
I'm not. You have completely misunderstood. Oh, well.
Dan
Krud <au...@nospam.home.com> wrote in message
news:ranf3.13504$UK2....@news.rdc1.md.home.com...
> Dan wrote in message <7lem11$phm$1...@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> >
> >At the least. Dozens of hours. This is according to NCR Security.
> >
> >He posted throughout the workday, hundreds of times, from his NCR
account.
> >Dozens of hours were aparently spent on the newsgroup during work hours,
> >from work, using company resources. Further, even the posts during lunch
> >are against NCR Internet usage policy. Using company resources for game
> >newsgroup posting during any part of the workday is prohibited.
>
> You're a snitch. No one likes a snitch, Dan.
I don't give a shit what you think on the subject, krud. I asked bill to
stop posting my name and home town after he began following my posts in
unrealated threads and newsgroups, archiving additional out-of-context posts
and generally escalating his flaming of me on the NGs and websites because
he wanted to have "fun." I would ignore him completely. No strings
attached and gave him plenty of opportunity to simply stop. Yep, that was a
terrrible deal for him to accept. Simply terrible. He has since lied about
my request. No surprise there, he has also lied about my contact with NCR
claiming point blank that I asked for him to be fired.
To restate, I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about what I did. Least
of all you, krud.
e=mc²
news:7lltnj$bu1$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
Well, it sure doesn't appear that way. Your little rant appears indicative
of just the opposite. Just what was your expectation when you contacted NCR?
--
e=mc²
H. J. King <Airborne>
histo...@hotmail.com
--
Everything that I post is accurate to the best of my knowledge,
unless I'm wrong then all bets are off! It is up to you to figure our
what the Hell that means.
Riboflavin
Dan wrote in message <7lltnj$bu1$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>
>Krud <au...@nospam.home.com> wrote in message
>news:ranf3.13504$UK2....@news.rdc1.md.home.com...
>> Dan wrote in message <7lem11$phm$1...@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>> >
>> >At the least. Dozens of hours. This is according to NCR Security.
>> >
>> >He posted throughout the workday, hundreds of times, from his NCR
>account.
>> >Dozens of hours were aparently spent on the newsgroup during work hours,
>> >from work, using company resources. Further, even the posts during
lunch
>> >are against NCR Internet usage policy. Using company resources for game
>> >newsgroup posting during any part of the workday is prohibited.
>>
>> You're a snitch. No one likes a snitch, Dan.
>
>I don't give a shit what you think on the subject, krud.
Whoa. Somebodies getting cranky. Methinks he's hit the mark. LOL
>To restate, I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about what I did. Least
>of all you, krud.
>
Whoa. Somebodies getting cranky. Methinks he's hit the mark. LOL
Stuart Park
> >I have been asked not to discuss specifics. I assume that they're
> >concerned about Usenet kooks being able to manipulate those
> >polices to get them to waste more of their limited resources. You
> >folks employed by the company who do nothing more than monitor
> >I think Dan is just lying again about it.
>
> I don't know. I used to work for a company which prohibited ALL internet access
> for its employees. This company quickly became technologically backwards
> compared to its competitors and went from #2 to #11 among companies of its type
> in this area over a period of three years. When I left their "mainframe" for
> its headquarters and 6 branch offices scattered from Michigan to Vermont was a
> 486 with a gland problem. Was rather funny...
Yes, the smart companies are quickly realising that it is important to
have
employees who are internet-proficient. Also, having many restrictions
and
continually monitoring everything the employees do lowers morale and
results
in a "police state" mentality, and creates a "Dilbert" company.
It would be like having video cameras mounted everywhere.
Jimmy Chan
>I don't give a shit what you think on the subject, krud. I asked bill to
>stop posting my name and home town after he began following my posts in
>unrealated threads and newsgroups, archiving additional out-of-context posts
>and generally escalating his flaming of me on the NGs and websites because
>he wanted to have "fun." I would ignore him completely. No strings
>attached and gave him plenty of opportunity to simply stop. Yep, that was a
>terrrible deal for him to accept. Simply terrible. He has since lied about
>my request. No surprise there, he has also lied about my contact with NCR
>claiming point blank that I asked for him to be fired.
Oh lying again. Thought the reason for trying to get him fired was
because you were concerned that he was stealing from NCR? Gee, still
rationalizing aren't you. Wasn't it you that tried to drag your
so-called daughter's name into the flamewar, trying to score points by
making everyone believe that Bill was stalking your family. Wasn't it
you that gave NCR posts, I can guess you showed them posts where you
bring up the stalking but never bothered to tell them he never did
stalk your family and it was only made up by a gutless coward.
From this point on I suggest everyone start posting Dan is a gutless
42 year old coward from, now what state was that, Baldwin, MO (was
that right Bill)? Considering that Dan believes that posting a
minor's address is legal by his idol the PhD Fraud, I guess it is okay
for everyone to post the coward Dan's hometown and age, since he isn't
a minor.
>To restate, I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about what I did. Least
>of all you, krud.
And no one gives a shit about you and your cowardly methods, you
moron.
Bill Huffman
wrote:
>On Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:02:35 -0500, "Dan" <d...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>I don't give a shit what you think on the subject, krud. I asked bill to
>>stop posting my name and home town after he began following my posts in
>>unrealated threads and newsgroups, archiving additional out-of-context posts
>>and generally escalating his flaming of me on the NGs and websites because
>>he wanted to have "fun." I would ignore him completely. No strings
>>attached and gave him plenty of opportunity to simply stop. Yep, that was a
>>terrrible deal for him to accept. Simply terrible. He has since lied about
>>my request.
Simply put, Dan wants to continue participating in the flame war but,
he doesn't want me to flame him. His deluded mind calls that "no
strings attached".
>> No surprise there, he has also lied about my contact with NCR
>>claiming point blank that I asked for him to be fired.
Another Dan lie, I've always said that Sycophant Dan was
just following the wishes of his master and his own wishes
to extract revenge against me by trying to get me fired. It
seems obvious and Dan has NEVER given any other
plausible explanation for contacting my employer. Derek
has explicitly stated on-line that it was the goal to get
me fired.
>Oh lying again. Thought the reason for trying to get him fired was
>because you were concerned that he was stealing from NCR? Gee, still
>rationalizing aren't you. Wasn't it you that tried to drag your
>so-called daughter's name into the flamewar, trying to score points by
>making everyone believe that Bill was stalking your family. Wasn't it
>you that gave NCR posts, I can guess you showed them posts where you
>bring up the stalking but never bothered to tell them he never did
>stalk your family and it was only made up by a gutless coward.
>
>From this point on I suggest everyone start posting Dan is a gutless
>42 year old coward from, now what state was that, Baldwin, MO (was
>that right Bill)?
Deluded Dan is a gutless 42 year old coward from Ballwin, MO. Ballwin
seems to be unique. Not only because it may be the sole source of
Hypocritium but it also appears to be the only town in the USA named
Ballwin.
BTW, I do admit that it is great fun flaming the greatest hypocrite of
all time.
Dan
e=mc² <seesi...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:7lluio$ofm$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net...
> > news:ranf3.13504$UK2....@news.rdc1.md.home.com...
> > > Dan wrote in message <7lem11$phm$1...@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> > > >
> > > >At the least. Dozens of hours. This is according to NCR Security.
> > > >
> > > >He posted throughout the workday, hundreds of times, from his NCR
> > account.
> > > >Dozens of hours were aparently spent on the newsgroup during work
> hours,
> > > >from work, using company resources. Further, even the posts during
> lunch
> > > >are against NCR Internet usage policy. Using company resources for
> game
> > > >newsgroup posting during any part of the workday is prohibited.
> > >
> > > You're a snitch. No one likes a snitch, Dan.
> >
to
> > stop posting my name and home town after he began following my posts in
> > unrealated threads and newsgroups, archiving additional out-of-context
> posts
> > and generally escalating his flaming of me on the NGs and websites
because
> > he wanted to have "fun." I would ignore him completely. No strings
> > attached and gave him plenty of opportunity to simply stop. Yep, that
was
> a
> > terrrible deal for him to accept. Simply terrible. He has since lied
> about
NCR
> > claiming point blank that I asked for him to be fired.
> >
> Least
> > of all you, krud.
>
>
> of just the opposite. Just what was your expectation when you contacted
NCR?
Been there. Done that. Suggest you check deja if you're interested.
Needless to say you'll receive some "interesting" interpretations from
people who have absolutely no firsthand knowledge. But hey, that's what
makes them so adorable.
Dan
> >> > So.. Dan, what experience do _you_ have with corporate internet
> >> > usage policies?
> >>
> >> Zero tolerance. Company I work for employs tens of thousands in 8
states.
> >> The policy does not allow any Internet usage with company resources for
> >> anything that cannot be justified for business purposes. Work hours,
off
nothing
> >> more than monitor Internet traffic and review all files passed thru the
> >> company firewall.
> >
> >"zero tolerance"? Is it a New York company? :)
> >
> >around
> >the world.. and it's policy is somewhat less restrictive (and they tend
> >to
> >trust people a little bit more).
> >
> >policy
> >for your company state?
>
> concerned about Usenet kooks being able to manipulate those
> polices to get them to waste more of their limited resources.
Bullshit. Have a nice day.
You
> see only obscenely bloated and paranoid companies would have "many
> folks employed by the company who do nothing more than monitor
> internet traffic and review all files passed thru the company firewall".
> I think Dan is just lying again about it.
LOL What a hoot! After you just stated you have been advised not to
discuss "specifics" of NCR Internet usage policy because Internet Kooks
would "manipulate those policies." Oh, my gawd, I think I'm gonna bust a
gut! Thanks, bill! LOL
Dan
Rich Goranson <forl...@aol.complex> wrote in message
news:19990703114625...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
> >I have been asked not to discuss specifics. I assume that they're
> >concerned about Usenet kooks being able to manipulate those
> >see only obscenely bloated and paranoid companies would have "many
> >folks employed by the company who do nothing more than monitor
> >internet traffic and review all files passed thru the company firewall".
> >I think Dan is just lying again about it.
> >
> >
>
access
> for its employees. This company quickly became technologically backwards
> compared to its competitors and went from #2 to #11 among companies of its
type
> in this area over a period of three years. When I left their "mainframe"
for
> its headquarters and 6 branch offices scattered from Michigan to Vermont
was a
> 486 with a gland problem. Was rather funny...
What a bizarre policy that was. Our company provides Internet access,
simply requires that it's use be justifiable for business purposes. With
over a hundred thousand employees I suppose the powers that be are trying to
prevent bandwidth issue as regards the company mail system and Internet
proxies.
Dan
Jimmy Chan <jimmy@*nospam*hgea.org> wrote in message
news:377f2e97....@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
> >stop posting my name and home town after he began following my posts in
> >unrealated threads and newsgroups, archiving additional out-of-context
posts
> >and generally escalating his flaming of me on the NGs and websites
because
> >he wanted to have "fun." I would ignore him completely. No strings
> >attached and gave him plenty of opportunity to simply stop. Yep, that
was a
> >terrrible deal for him to accept. Simply terrible. He has since lied
about
> >my request. No surprise there, he has also lied about my contact with
NCR
> >claiming point blank that I asked for him to be fired.
>
> because you were concerned that he was stealing from NCR?
Nope. Why are you always so lost, jimmy?
Gee, still
> rationalizing aren't you. Wasn't it you that tried to drag your
> so-called daughter's name into the flamewar,
Nope. bill did by sending me email with my daughter's name and school. He
admitted he did it to show me I was "vulnerable." So, no, bill dragged her
into this. You keep dragging her back into this in order to try to score
points. You, jimmy. You, jimmy are a disgusting little asshole.
trying to score points by
> making everyone believe that Bill was stalking your family.
At the time it certainly appeared that he was. Others agreed. One bill
clarified and apologized it was done. Except for you, because *you*c
continue using my daughter in order to score points in the flamewar. You.
Wasn't it
> you that gave NCR posts, I can guess you showed them posts where you
> bring up the stalking but never bothered to tell them he never did
> stalk your family and it was only made up by a gutless coward.
Well. then you can guess wrong. LOL
>
> From this point on I suggest everyone start posting Dan is a gutless
> 42 year old coward from, now what state was that, Baldwin, MO (was
> that right Bill)? Considering that Dan believes that posting a
> minor's address is legal by his idol the PhD Fraud
I've made absolutely no comment on that issue. But you knew that. Why even
pretend, jimmy, that you have to have some "justification" for being an
asshole. Just be one, jimmy, you don't need a phony excuse.
, I guess it is okay
> for everyone to post the coward Dan's hometown and age, since he isn't
> a minor.
>
> >To restate, I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about what I did.
Least
> >of all you, krud.
>
> And no one gives a shit about you and your cowardly methods, you
> moron.
Waaa. Especially because you got it all wrong. Ignorance is bliss, eh
ji,mmy! You must be one happy hawaiian!
e=mc²
> > I don't know. I used to work for a company which prohibited ALL internet
> access
> > for its employees. This company quickly became technologically backwards
> > compared to its competitors and went from #2 to #11 among companies of
its
> type
> > in this area over a period of three years. When I left their "mainframe"
> for
> > its headquarters and 6 branch offices scattered from Michigan to Vermont
> was a
> > 486 with a gland problem. Was rather funny...
>
> What a bizarre policy that was. Our company provides Internet access,
> simply requires that it's use be justifiable for business purposes. With
> over a hundred thousand employees I suppose the powers that be are trying
to
> prevent bandwidth issue as regards the company mail system and Internet
> proxies.
Come on Dan, You know that Burger King doesn't have an Internet
policy...`8^D
Bill Huffman
"Dan" <d...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Rich Goranson <forl...@aol.complex> wrote in message
> news:19990703114625...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
> What a bizarre policy that was. Our company provides Internet access,
> simply requires that it's use be justifiable for business purposes.
>With over a hundred thousand employees I suppose the powers that be
>are trying to prevent bandwidth issue as regards the company mail
>system and Internet proxies.
Dan, didn't you say that your company has
"many folks employed by the company who do nothing more than monitor
internet traffic and review all files passed thru the company firewall".
If it is your job to "do nothing more than monitor internet traffic
and review all files passed thru the company firewall". I'm afraid
that you're too incompetent to perform that job.
--
Bill Huffman
huf...@FRAUDaccess1.net (Remove the FRAUD to
email me.)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Bill Huffman
"Dan" <d...@earthlink.net> wrote:
...
> I suggested, well before contacting NCR with the specifics,
>that he become familiar with his company's policy. I suspect
>he didn't or he wouldn't have continued to be so reckless.
HAHAHA HOHOHO Disgusting Dan is now trying to blame his
hypocrisy on me! What a silly twit. HAHAHA HOHOHO HEHEHE
Poor Defenseless Dan the gutless coward from Ballwin, MO
can't handle the guilt associated with his own hypocritic
actions and tries to blame the person that was attacked
and wronged. HAHAHA HOHOHO Hypocrite Dan, what were some
of those things you said about people that contact
employers?
self-serving justification crap
disgusting little man.
looney tunes
disgusting "habit"
fools
Scum for starters.
zealous retribution
People like you are what worry me.
pathetic.
saddening.
self-appointed judge
What the fuck is hypocritical about saying the newsgroup crap should
stay on the newsgroup?
pathetic hypocrites
Fucking hypocrits.
snip self-serving justifications
internet asshole.
My morals don't shift quite like yours do.
disgusting,
Pathetic.
You're sick.
You self-righteous son of a bitch.
disgusting slippery
Fuck you and your attitude. You are what is wrong with usenet.
Bill Huffman
"Dan" <d...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Krud <au...@nospam.home.com> wrote in message
> news:ranf3.13504$UK2....@news.rdc1.md.home.com...
> > Dan wrote in message <7lem11$phm$1...@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> > >
> > >At the least. Dozens of hours. This is according to NCR Security.
> > >
> > >He posted throughout the workday, hundreds of times, from his NCR
> account.
> > >Dozens of hours were aparently spent on the newsgroup during work
hours,
> > >from work, using company resources. Further, even the posts
during lunch
> > >are against NCR Internet usage policy. Using company resources
for game
> > >newsgroup posting during any part of the workday is prohibited.
> >
> > You're a snitch. No one likes a snitch, Dan.
>
bill to
> stop posting my name and home town after he began following my posts
in
> unrealated threads and newsgroups, archiving additional out-of-
> and generally escalating his flaming of me on the NGs and websites
because
> he wanted to have "fun." I would ignore him completely. No strings
> attached and gave him plenty of opportunity to simply stop. Yep,
that was a
> terrrible deal for him to accept. Simply terrible. He has since
lied about
> my request. No surprise there, he has also lied about my contact
with NCR
> claiming point blank that I asked for him to be fired.
>
>Least of all you, krud.
Dan cares more about what I think of him than Krud. Dan, I'm touched.
However, please don't think this is a green light for you to send me
more of your obnoxious threatening emails. (Dan has sent about a
dozen stupid obnoxious threatening emails.)
Bill Huffman
>
>e=mc² <seesi...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
....
>> Well, it sure doesn't appear that way. Your little rant appears indicative
>> of just the opposite. Just what was your expectation when you contacted
>NCR?
>
>Been there. Done that. Suggest you check deja if you're interested.
>Needless to say you'll receive some "interesting" interpretations from
>people who have absolutely no firsthand knowledge.
Liar King Dan has never given a reasonable explanation.
Here's Derek's explanation after Dan prompted him a little:
----------------------------------------------------
From: dsm...@pobox.com (Derek Smart)
Subject: Re: A Letter to Interplay Concerning BC3K, Derek Smart, and the
Colorado School Shootings
Date: 26 Apr 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic
On Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:28:50 -0500, "Dan" <D...@earthlink.netarama>
wrote:
...
>>Nor has he the simple courage to admit that he was trying to
>> disrupt Bill's employment.
>
>"Disrupt" his employment? LOL
Legally, I shouldn't be talking about this, but...
Disrupt? heh, thats minor. When I'm done with him, they'll have *no*
choice *but* to fire him. Unlike that stunt him and his girlfriends
pulled with Interplay last year in trying to get my deal terminated
(they lost), I *will* get results. NCR have enough grounds for
termination already. As far as we know, NCR won't risk Huffman suing
them for wrongful termination, which is why I'm pushing forward with
my complaint. Notice how his pages have changed from issue to issue
and you probably know that I have a bot that monitors that page, so we
have archives of every change his made to suit the 'story' based on
his whim.
--
Derek Smart, Ph.D.
Designer/Lead Developer
The Battlecruiser Series
Bill Huffman
>
>Jimmy Chan <jimmy@*nospam*hgea.org> wrote in message
>news:377f2e97....@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
...
>>Gee, still
>> rationalizing aren't you. Wasn't it you that tried to drag your
>> so-called daughter's name into the flamewar,
>
>Nope. bill did by sending me email with my daughter's name and school. He
>admitted he did it to show me I was "vulnerable." So, no, bill dragged her
>into this. You keep dragging her back into this in order to try to score
>points. You, jimmy. You, jimmy are a disgusting little asshole.
Sphincter Dan, you are lying. You (or someone using your computer)
sent me that information then, YOU posted it to usenet! to this very
news group you stupid tweet.
>>trying to score points by
>> making everyone believe that Bill was stalking your family.
>
>At the time it certainly appeared that he was. Others agreed. One bill
>clarified and apologized it was done. Except for you, because *you*c
>continue using my daughter in order to score points in the flamewar. You.
I never stalked you or your family, you lying toad.
>Wasn't it
>> you that gave NCR posts, I can guess you showed them posts where you
>> bring up the stalking but never bothered to tell them he never did
>> stalk your family and it was only made up by a gutless coward.
>
>Well. then you can guess wrong. LOL
>>
>> From this point on I suggest everyone start posting Dan is a gutless
>> 42 year old coward from, now what state was that, Baldwin, MO (was
>> that right Bill)? Considering that Dan believes that posting a
>> minor's address is legal by his idol the PhD Fraud
>
>I've made absolutely no comment on that issue. But you knew that. Why even
>pretend, jimmy, that you have to have some "justification" for being an
>asshole. Just be one, jimmy, you don't need a phony excuse.
Dense Dan, you're so stupid you blame me for every word said against
your master and idol. You blame me for not accepting your ridiculous
offer to allow you to continue posting in the flame war but, I'm not
allowed to flame you.
>, I guess it is okay
>> for everyone to post the coward Dan's hometown and age, since he isn't
>> a minor.
>>
>> >To restate, I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about what I did.
>Least
>> >of all you, krud.
>>
>> And no one gives a shit about you and your cowardly methods, you
>> moron.
>
>Waaa. Especially because you got it all wrong. Ignorance is bliss, eh
>ji,mmy! You must be one happy hawaiian!
Watch out Jimmy, he's not capitalizing your name anymore. I think
that means that those tri-point hooks are hurting him too much.
Stuart Park
> Dan cares more about what I think of him than Krud. Dan, I'm touched.
> However, please don't think this is a green light for you to send me
> more of your obnoxious threatening emails. (Dan has sent about a
> dozen stupid obnoxious threatening emails.)
Why don't you send them to his ISP? Earthlink has specific conditions
of use which forbid abuse or threatening email.
Krud
>
>Come on Dan, You know that Burger King doesn't have an Internet
>policy...
Dan doesn't work for Burger King anymore. He works for McDonalds now. They
made him an offer he couldn't refuse - CFO - Chief French-Fry Officer. Pus
McDonalds has better happy meal toys.
-Krud
Dan
> In article <7lo72o$t0p$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "Dan" <d...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > Rich Goranson <forl...@aol.complex> wrote in message
> > news:19990703114625...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
> ...
> > What a bizarre policy that was. Our company provides Internet access,
> > simply requires that it's use be justifiable for business purposes.
> >With over a hundred thousand employees I suppose the powers that be
> >are trying to prevent bandwidth issue as regards the company mail
> >system and Internet proxies.
>
> Dan, didn't you say that your company has
> "many folks employed by the company who do nothing more than monitor
> internet traffic and review all files passed thru the company firewall".
Yep.
> If it is your job to "do nothing more than monitor internet traffic
> and review all files passed thru the company firewall".
Nope. I have nothing to do the above.
I'm afraid
> that you're too incompetent to perform that job.
Gee, bill, I'm real concerned about your opinion here. I mean, given the
fact that you have to build this straw man in order to play, yep, real
concerned. LOL
Dan
Because I didn't. bill's a liar. Plain and simple.
Dan
>
> > > I don't know. I used to work for a company which prohibited ALL
internet
> > access
> > > for its employees. This company quickly became technologically
backwards
> > > compared to its competitors and went from #2 to #11 among companies of
> its
> > type
> > > in this area over a period of three years. When I left their
"mainframe"
> > for
> > > its headquarters and 6 branch offices scattered from Michigan to
Vermont
> > was a
> > > 486 with a gland problem. Was rather funny...
> >
> > simply requires that it's use be justifiable for business purposes.
With
> > over a hundred thousand employees I suppose the powers that be are
trying
> to
> > prevent bandwidth issue as regards the company mail system and Internet
> > proxies.
>
>
You mean bipshit was lying to me again? Rats!
Dan
to
> >>stop posting my name and home town after he began following my posts in
> >>unrealated threads and newsgroups, archiving additional out-of-context
posts
> >>and generally escalating his flaming of me on the NGs and websites
because
> >>he wanted to have "fun." I would ignore him completely. No strings
> >>attached and gave him plenty of opportunity to simply stop. Yep, that
was a
> >>terrrible deal for him to accept. Simply terrible. He has since lied
about
> >>my request.
>
> he doesn't want me to flame him. His deluded mind calls that "no
> strings attached".
Bullshit.
> >> No surprise there, he has also lied about my contact with NCR
> >>claiming point blank that I asked for him to be fired.
>
> Another Dan lie, I've always said that Sycophant Dan was
> just following the wishes of his master and his own wishes
> to extract revenge against me by trying to get me fired.
Bingo. You are a liar bill.
It
> seems obvious and Dan has NEVER given any other
> plausible explanation for contacting my employer.
What seems obvious is that you didn't like the answer given, one which
Typhon suggested was indeed plausible. So you choose to play dumb (what a
surprise) and whine I'm trying to get you fired. bill, the only thing that
will end up getting you fired is your stupidity. That being the case, you'd
best start polishing up that resume.