...well fairly full.
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/09/14/borderlands-2-review

Its out in 2 days .
IGN say good but a direct sequel to the 1st game.. nothing new.
For those many who played the game over & over & wanted more
here it is.

I have played No.1 'not that much' maybe 20% & enjoy that.
I expect to play more but I doubt my interest level will ever finish it.
& No. 2 is just more, so no sale here.

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On 16/09/2012 03:24, Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:

... arggghhh - misuse of 'begs the question' in the first paragraph!

great news! I played 2.5 times main campaign and 1 time addons.
I am of those "gimme more of the same" oldfarts :)

--
Andrew Rybenkov

There are trash, there are junk, and there are Bioware

Furthermore I think Bioware must be destroyed.

On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:43:55 +0400, "Andrew Rybenkov"

Same here. I want a sequel, not a different game.

JAB <nowayj...@feckoff.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

What exactly is misused about it?

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

"Trimble Bracegirdle" <no-s...@never.spam> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

Just for the sake of curiosity, why so little progress into the game?
Basic game uninteresting to you?  Character(s) you chose find it too
much of a slog to get anywhere?  Other?

I took Lilith through the whole game and all the DLC content except the
arena one.  Twice (2 different characters), then the Sniper guy through
the same once.
Never got the other two characters very far, the playstyles just did
nothing for me at all.

I'm very much looking forward to more of the same.

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

Mike S. <Mik...@nowhere.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

I can't for the life of me imagine anyone who'd think "I loved this
game, I hope the sequel is very different from it."
Well barring people who work in the film and television industry anyway
- they're always screwing with something.

Some years ago I bought the Space:1999 Megaset on dvd.
I was a kid when it was broadcast and liked it all.
Rewatching it, I liked the first season where they actually tried to be
scientific about things. (OK having one main computer for the whole base
that only output paper tape was silly, but hey, it was the '70s.)

So they put out a new show, it garners enough interest and ratings that
it gets renewed for a second season, where they promptly change all
kinds of things - the uniforms (Really,  You're lost in space with
limited resources and you design and make new uniforms for several
hundred people?), some of the main cast, add a shape shifting alien to
the crew, lose the science (and the main scientist) and lo and behold,
they did NOT get a third season.

I'm sure I don't have to mention Highlander2.

What is it with these types that sequels have to be very different from
what made the original popular in the first place?
[I'm guessing EGO, they can't be sure if _they_ accomplished anything
when they're following someone else's lead, so they do something
completely different and kill the franchise instead.  Same basic idea
why Hollywood types buy the rights to a best-seller, then proceed to cut
out chunks of the book and write in their own scenes/characters.
Then if it's a success they can claim it's all because of them, not
because of someone else's original story/characters/etc.]

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

On 16/09/2012 16:26, Xocyll wrote:

It doesn't mean raises the question ...

news:gbtb58p29rtnu5295qj16ga7j2i9lq0jn3@4ax.com...

Rhetoical question, I know.

I was in medical research. I would slug it out for a couple of years and
right before the product was ready to go to market half a dozen idiots would
insist on changes. Instead of being a happy occasion when I finished a
product I came to dread the experience. When the product got to market, if
it was successful they would jump off the wall to say their changes were the
reasons for success and I had dropped the ball. If the product wasn't
successful, well they couldn't save it from my bungling despite of their
best efforts.<sic>

From what I understand, happens a lot in every industry. NCR came out with a
very popular SCSI controller chip in the 80s. Way I heard it was it was
largely the work of one man. Right before it was finalized they added a suit
above him who took all the credit and marginalized him within the company.

Certainly we don't have to look outside CRPGs. There was the Ultima 8
debacle followed by the Ultima 9 debacle. That one is fairly well documented
as opposed to the usual black box. Just part of the human condition to stand
up on an out of control bus and shout "Don't worry, I'm driving!"

I can just see a suit telling Herman Melville "There needs to be a love
interest and more explosions."

Rick

Xocyll <Xoc...@kingston.net> wrote in
news:gbtb58p29rtnu5295qj16ga7j2i9lq0jn3@4ax.com:

No such thing.  Never happened.  Move along, nothing to see here.

There can be (and was) only one.

Dan

JAB <nowayj...@feckoff.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

It does in the context he used it.

Hint, We're not using Latin so Latin rules and usage need not apply.

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

Dan Lingman <dling...@rogers.com.nospamplease> looked up from reading
the entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the
signs say:

Oh I dunno, Highlander3 wasn't too bad.  Weird, but not actually bad.

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

On 17/09/2012 02:50, Xocyll wrote:

Yes I know, that's why it was incorrectly used ...

Nope ... it means what it means and it doesn't mean raises the question.
That's how he used it - he was wrong.

JAB <nowayj...@feckoff.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

Language evolves with usage and that's exactly how many people use it.
Probably all the people who never took Latin.

It's certainly the only way I've ever heard it used (until googling I'd
never heard of the Latin origin or it's "proper" meaning.)

Now the thing is, had that reviewer ever heard of the Latin phrase that
got translated as "begs the question" and meant that, or did he just use
three normal English words _exactly_ as he meant to, that meant
_exactly_ what he meant in context?

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

news:r1tb58lucnhatm4lde8m1ok8vkq8t7qlmp@4ax.com...

Multiple times through with the Berserker, plus all the DLC.  It does start
rather slowly, but hanging in there is well worth it.  One of my favorites,
ever, I would say.

I know some people are turned off by the "go here, bring me this, then go
here and see somebody else" thing, but the missions get much more
interesting.  Fallout3 and New Vegas started slowly, but turned out great,
and so did RAGE, which was a good game, regardless of some negative reviews.

On 17/09/2012 18:26, Zaghadka wrote:

I wait with baited breath for your next post ... :-)

On 17/09/2012 15:19, Xocyll wrote:

Nope, he used them incorrectly as he thought that using big words, or a
phrase in this instance, would make him seem clever.

If you don't know what refute or acronym means then don't use them ...
of course you can misuse literally until the cows come home.

If it's any help I also get annoyed by people who try and eat 'posh'.
It's not a bloody pen you know.

You certainly know you're shit.  *YOUR* shit, sorry, I meant to say YOUR
SHIT!

On 17/09/2012 21:39, Zaghadka wrote:

lol ...

JAB <nowayj...@feckoff.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

Really, you have proof that he even knows it's of Latin origin and thus
somehow anything other than 3 ordinary English words?
Link please.

I don't know what kind of folks you usually hang out with where "begs
the question" is considered "clever" or "posh".

You're making the unwarranted assumption that _anyone_ considers that
phrase anything of the sort.

Honestly, this is like someone hearing a newscaster talking about a
plane touching down and complaining that it's a misuse of the football
term touchdown.  Just because he's a football fan and can't hear touch
and down in any other context doesn't mean the rest of the world hears
it that way.

In case you missed it the first time;  Languages, especially English,
evolve, and the origin of a phrase is irrelevant to how it's actually,
commonly, used.
What percentage of the people in the world use/read/hear "begs the
question" and MEAN the original Latin phrase instead of the literal
meaning?

Is the Latin origin of any word or phrase relevant to anyone _except_
that small minority of people who actually took Latin (and want to show
off that knowledge?)

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/beg+the+question
Note how it claims the second (literal) usage is "incorrect" but in
widespread use.
Since language is about _communication_, the widespread, common usage is
actually the "correct" one, regardless of what the grammarians want to
think.  When it makes the dictionary, it's become a common usage, and
thus perfectly valid and "correct".
But then, they still consider the homosexual meaning of "gay" to be
incorrect even though it's the primary meaning these days.

Or how about "Indian" for the native peoples of North America?
Sure the PC crowd have disparaged the use, but who ever talks about
something that happened on a "Native American Reservation" rather than
an "Indian reservation"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation
www.nps.gov/nagpra/DOCUMENTS/ResMap.htm
http://www.bia.gov/

That usage is "wrong".
It's always been wrong.
But say "Indian" to someone in North America, and they're going to hear
"Native American/First Nations" (Canadian term) - not "person from
India" unless the context makes it clear that it specifically refers to
someone from India.  IE "The guy next to me on the plane was Indian or
Pakistani."
[Or lately, "The person who cold called me during dinner trying to sell
me some service had an accent so thick I could only understand one word
in ten, I think he was Indian or Pakistani."]

Like it or not, original meaning or not, once it's in widespread usage,
it's correct (if not politically.)  Such is that nature of an evolving
language - and the only ones that don't evolve are dead.

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

I know some people are turned off by the "go here, bring me this, then go
here and see somebody else" thing, but the missions get much more
interesting.  Fallout3 and New Vegas started slowly, but turned out great,
and so did RAGE, which was a good game, regardless of some negative reviews.

    And so did Dead Island!!

rms

tl:dr - probably boring.

Oh, almost forgot to add ... you're still wrong.

On 17/09/2012 21:47, Jane Doe wrote:

In some alternate reality that's probably considered witty ... maybe you
should try and join it?

On 18/09/2012 9:25 AM, JAB wrote:

Short attention span? I found Xocyll pretty articulate.

In any case, despite having taken Latin and having a bias against
popular misinterpretations of old phrases, Xocyll is right: popular
usage trumps original meaning, eventually. I happen to think "begs the
question" in its original meaning was always a little obscure, and I'd
be inclined to find some way to include the phrase "circular reasoning".

That's not true; it's always been a fairly popular English
phrase, in the original meaning.

The "mutated" meaning ("raises the question") has become more
popular as of late (I never encountered it all before the
unwashed masses started using internet), but both meanings are
still widely used (I see the original more in "real" writing, the
mutated more in informal context -- forums, blogs, etc).

-Miles

--
Ocean, n. A body of water covering seven-tenths of a world designed for Man -
who has no gills.