I'm still playing. We get an expansion this winter that raises the
level cap and stuff. Who is your character? Are you going to be in the
Order of the Ancients kinship? That's what the LOTRO kinship evolved
into and a handful of us are still there along with lots of new people.
Paula
You mean that's what the CSIPGR kinship evolved into?
Anyhow, yes, I guess I should join. Having a hard time finding anyone who
wants to do book 10 in Evendim. I had been thinking of joining (or
applying to at least) the Osiliath Guard since they seem to have a lot of
members.
My character is still Turos, Man of Gondor, L50 Champion of the Free
Peoples and somewhat skillful weaponsmith (can't remember how advanced he
is in that.) Too busy exploring Forochel to do crafts. :)
How big is OA? Do you have a calendar of planned events or do you just
get together and vote on what to do?
Indeed. Still playing almost daily and enjoying Forochel. Did five book
10 runs with kinfolk just last week! Currently searching for a bear that
may or may not have made off with some sheet music.
- Sheldon
Are you in the same kinship as Paula?
LOL, duh. Yes, I meant CSIPGR. That's what happens when I type faster
than I think.
>
> Anyhow, yes, I guess I should join. Having a hard time finding anyone who
> wants to do book 10 in Evendim. I had been thinking of joining (or
> applying to at least) the Osiliath Guard since they seem to have a lot of
> members.
>
> My character is still Turos, Man of Gondor, L50 Champion of the Free
> Peoples and somewhat skillful weaponsmith (can't remember how advanced he
> is in that.) Too busy exploring Forochel to do crafts. :)
>
> How big is OA? Do you have a calendar of planned events or do you just
> get together and vote on what to do?
Okay. I remember Turos. I haven't even gotten to Forochel yet. My
hunter just hit level 45 and on the epic I'm only only like book 4. I'm
taking my time. We have a website with a list of all our members:
http://www.theancients-lotr.com/page1.htm
Pellamore is still the leader. I'm a pretty casual player and don't
really do a lot of group stuff that often but they do plan events and
stuff. There are usually things posted on the "message of the day" in
the game.
Paula
Used to be .. and with you as well, wasn't I? In CSIPGR?
I have been with the Guardians of Anduin for quite a while now. It's a
merger of two kins (Heirs of Eleni and the Commonwealth of Anduin), and
I was part of a merger before that (Commonwealth and Keepers of Anduin).
Still playing my same single character, though. Still have no alts or
craft or hobby. :p
Still having fun.
- Sheldon
>Michael Cecil wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 02:05:08 GMT, Sheldon England
>> <sheldon...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Cecil wrote:
>>>> I'm just getting back into it. There have been 3 epic books released
>>>> since I played! :)
>>> Indeed. Still playing almost daily and enjoying Forochel. Did five book
>>> 10 runs with kinfolk just last week! Currently searching for a bear that
>>> may or may not have made off with some sheet music.
>>
>> Are you in the same kinship as Paula?
>
>Used to be .. and with you as well, wasn't I? In CSIPGR?
No, I was never in a kinship. I think my name got listed on there because
I post here and someone made that assumption.
>I have been with the Guardians of Anduin for quite a while now. It's a
>merger of two kins (Heirs of Eleni and the Commonwealth of Anduin), and
>I was part of a merger before that (Commonwealth and Keepers of Anduin).
Are you taking new members too? How big are the Guardians of Anduin?
>Still playing my same single character, though. Still have no alts or
>craft or hobby. :p
What's your character's name?
>Still having fun.
Me too. I found that bear with the music. It was the first bear that
attacked me. I don't know if it was supposed to be that easy. Now I need
to find a peikki which I guess is a snow beast. Just after I kill more
sabre-tooth tigers and their leader. :)
I just went up there to have a quick look around and now I have this list
of quests I need to do! :)
I have no idea where books 11 or 12 take place so lots more to explore.
>http://www.theancients-lotr.com/page1.htm
>
>Pellamore is still the leader. I'm a pretty casual player and don't
>really do a lot of group stuff that often but they do plan events and
>stuff. There are usually things posted on the "message of the day" in
>the game.
Well, what's your character name? That way I won't blithely run past you
in the game.
My character is Johannwen and my sister is Rheawen. She started about
the same time I did during beta and we usually play together.
Paula
Ah, well those are good to know. I look forward to seeing you in the
I've always been a solo player (unless playing a competitive online
game such as poker) and for some reason have not enjoyed grouping
either in LotRO or in D&D Online.
I logged back on to LotRO last night for the first time in many months
(due to their free weekend) but am just not motivated to do anything.
On a separate note I tried a free WoW account but it seems like a
watered down version of LotRO (WoW is an older game, of course). WoW
had the same sort of kill X boars type quests but it was in a place
with which I had no connection, the main reason I enjoyed LotRO for a
few months is that I was in lands I had read about for about 30
years. The later parts of LotRO occur in lands which I did not read
much about so maybe that's why I'm enjoying it much less, Angmar and
the North Downs are mentioned in the books but the fellowship doesn't
go through those locations.
I thought there were 3 epic books released that started the whole damn thing
off, several decades ago... ;-)
Jonathan.
LOTRO seems to add a bit more story than most and a more fleshed
out and consistent world base, which is one of it's big plusses. A
lot
of old school MMO players don't notice this as much and complain
"I have to kill 10 boars again, that's boring". If you read the quest
text
though there's a lot more going on (no NPC ever just says "kill 10
boars for me"). If you just blindly click "accept" then LOTRO doesn't
seem much different from WoW except for the setting. And indeed,
some players bitch that they can't play a wizard or that there's no
uber gear, or that there need to be more over-the-top bosses to
slay, which to me says they're coming at it from the wrong attitude.
There are players that don't want to group at all in LOTRO, which
is perfectly fine. It just means that they can't finish some of the
epic quests. But it's perfectly viable to level all the way up to
50 without ever being in a group (with Evendim now, the slow
bits between levels 30-40 are easier, and with the latest
Forochel, the 45-50 part might be faster for soloers).
Groups are indeed a major PITA in MMOs. It can take forever
to find a group. In some games, a bad group spells failure and
people avoid ever having pick up groups with people they don't
know; but in LOTRO this has never been a problem. Yeah,
sometimes there's a wait for a group, and sometimes I have
to put some stuff off for a long time or get some kinship help.
In other games a lot of the players can be real jerks, or be
immature, hyper, abusive, whatever, but this is very rare in
LOTRO. So grouping in LOTRO for me is a much better
experience than it was in WoW.
I think just the nature of being based on the Lord of the Rings
books attracts a more mature crowd (I see many players
who've never played other online games before, and even
some who haven't played many single player RPGs either).
Then that more mature crowed sort of acts like peer pressure
on recent immigrants from other games. The amount of
netspeak is pretty low in this game and many people speak
in complete sentences.
Yes, some of the new areas aren't really talked about much
in the books. But you can still follow the fellowship's path
all the way to Rivendell, and you can follow Bilbo's path
to Gollum's island in the goblin caves (probably need a group
for the last bit). With the expansion you'll be able to get to
Lorien. I don't mind being in North Downs, since it is a place
with history from the books (a lot of appendices maybe), and
there's a lot more going on with the war of the ring than just
along the path the fellowship took.
--
Darin Johnson
We're always recruiting. Almost daily. Turos would certainly be welcome.
We're a relaxed, mainly North American family group with what I think
are pretty cool folks, including many couples. Age range from 20s-40s.
Most are probably east coast with a good number on the west coast. We
are not hardcore roleplayers but are all Tolkien fans and like challenge
and fun. A sense of humour is important. If you take yourself too
seriously you won't last long in our ranks.
There are over 130 in the kin of levels 7 to 50 as of tonight (May 9)
but at least half are alts. 89 of these have played in the last week, 62
in the last 24 hours.
We mainly free-game during the week but try for raids on Saturdays and
helping kin with L50 quests or raids on Sundays. We use a pretty good
website and forum to coordinate our efforts. For endgame players Vent
voice software is a must, even if you have no microphone.
> What's your character's name?
Elgothir ... Usually Elgothir of Rivendell but often Elgothir the
Unwise. :)
He is an elven hunter.
> I found that bear with the music. It was the first bear that
> attacked me. I don't know if it was supposed to be that easy. Now I need
> to find a peikki which I guess is a snow beast. Just after I kill more
> sabre-tooth tigers and their leader. :)
Heh. You will find the peikku to the west and north in a cave directly
east of the dwarf camp.
Good hunting to you.
- Sheldon
Heh.
I understand it was actually just one epic book when written ... but
that the publisher (Penguin?) felt that it would be too expensive to be
profitable as a large tome, so it was broken down into three chunks to
make it more affordable ... and so the 'trilogy' book system was born.
I coulda heard wrong.
- Sheldon
"Me too!"
I have nothing to add other than to say I pretty much agree with
everything you have written.
- Sheldon
Ditto. I can't wait for a mmo that is built from the ground up with soloers
in mind <EG>. Yes, it's counter-intuitive to want that, but after many years
of mmos I'd just like one that rewards soloers first & foremost & treats
groupies as 2nd-class citizens :). Ok, CoX & WoW are almost like that to
some degree, in that you can mostly solo them, but you only get the really
good, interesting stuff by putting up with hours & hours of other ppl's shit
at high levels - unless you're lucky enough to be in a good, stable,
dependable guild. GW is perhaps the best at this (though not technically a
mmo), where the henchies & now heroes are better than PUGs most of the time.
I wouldn't be surprised if well over half the mmo population soloed *most*
of the time. If mmo devs can data mine that info they should adjust their
reward-for-effort & content focus on solo players, clearly. I'd love to hear
other ppl's opinions on this (and please, can we NOT bring Steam into it?
:).
--
Nostromo
I'm sure they have more than "data mined" all the information, and
most probably, what they've found out is that soloers play the game
for much less time than 'groupers/guilders', and maybe that's why they
prefer these.
I'm a grouper, not a soloer or a guilder, and for me I think CoX was
the best entry, allowing me to easily find/join pickup groups, at
least when I played it, which was a few years ago. That's why I always
play MMOs in their infancy, sure plenty of bugs, but also plenty of
people to do stuff with, who are not doing it for the 100th time.
> Ditto. I can't wait for a mmo that is built from the ground up with soloers
> in mind <EG>. Yes, it's counter-intuitive to want that, but after many years
> of mmos I'd just like one that rewards soloers first & foremost & treats
> groupies as 2nd-class citizens :). Ok, CoX & WoW are almost like that to
> some degree, in that you can mostly solo them, but you only get the really
> good, interesting stuff by putting up with hours & hours of other ppl's shit
> at high levels - unless you're lucky enough to be in a good, stable,
> dependable guild. GW is perhaps the best at this (though not technically a
> mmo), where the henchies & now heroes are better than PUGs most of the time.
Grouping is a skill that improves with practice. If you play your class
well and develop a decent friends list, getting a group for an instance
in WoW is a lot easier and safer than some people find it, even without
a guild. Getting there will involve some bad PUG experiences, but they
can be learning experiences if you let them... it's only a game anyway.
Blizzard do try to cater for small groups and solo play, and do it quite
well on the whole IMO. Most outdoor quests that require a group can be
completed with a pretty random group; very few require a balanced 5-man
group like you'd need for an instanced dungeon. Getting five for an
instanced dungeon is not that onerous an experience either, and you can
always do it with fewer or a bad class combination if you wait for a few
levels.
(In the next expansion, all five man dungeons will again have a normal
and a heroic version, and all raid dungeons will have 10 man and 25-man
versions, which is another reduction in the grouping requirements.)
> I wouldn't be surprised if well over half the mmo population soloed *most*
> of the time. If mmo devs can data mine that info they should adjust their
> reward-for-effort & content focus on solo players, clearly. I'd love to hear
> other ppl's opinions on this (and please, can we NOT bring Steam into it?
> :).
I think Blizzard go far enough for soloists except maybe the way many
quests terminate in outdoor group quests. But then again, most of these
quests are less intimidating than they might seem. My mage - not the
ideal class for soloing elites - has soloed quite a lot of them,
although with outland quest elites past the mid-60s, everything usually
depends on whether they are susceptible to frost nova. General zone
chat is usually the best way to get a group for these quests.
- Gerry Quinn
>Michael Cecil wrote:
>> Sheldon England wrote:
>>> I have been with the Guardians of Anduin for quite a while now. It's a
>>> merger of two kins (Heirs of Eleni and the Commonwealth of Anduin), and
>>> I was part of a merger before that (Commonwealth and Keepers of Anduin).
>>
>> Are you taking new members too? How big are the Guardians of Anduin?
>
>We're always recruiting. Almost daily. Turos would certainly be welcome.
>
>We're a relaxed, mainly North American family group with what I think
>are pretty cool folks, including many couples. Age range from 20s-40s.
>Most are probably east coast with a good number on the west coast. We
>are not hardcore roleplayers but are all Tolkien fans and like challenge
>and fun. A sense of humour is important. If you take yourself too
>seriously you won't last long in our ranks.
>
>There are over 130 in the kin of levels 7 to 50 as of tonight (May 9)
>but at least half are alts. 89 of these have played in the last week, 62
>in the last 24 hours.
>
>We mainly free-game during the week but try for raids on Saturdays and
>helping kin with L50 quests or raids on Sundays. We use a pretty good
>website and forum to coordinate our efforts. For endgame players Vent
>voice software is a must, even if you have no microphone.
That sounds pretty much like what I am looking for. I'll see if I can
find the website and join up.
>> What's your character's name?
>
>Elgothir ... Usually Elgothir of Rivendell but often Elgothir the
>Unwise. :)
>
>He is an elven hunter.
Ah, good. I like hunting elves too. Oh wait...
>> I found that bear with the music. It was the first bear that
>> attacked me. I don't know if it was supposed to be that easy. Now I need
>> to find a peikki which I guess is a snow beast. Just after I kill more
>> sabre-tooth tigers and their leader. :)
>
>Heh. You will find the peikku to the west and north in a cave directly
>east of the dwarf camp.
Yes, I found them already (although now I have to go back and kill the
matron again) but I am currently exploring all the old maps finding new
quests that have been added since I left. Just finished the Tal Bruinen
stuff. :)
>Grouping is a skill that improves with practice. If you play your class
>well and develop a decent friends list, getting a group for an instance
>in WoW is a lot easier and safer than some people find it, even without
>a guild. Getting there will involve some bad PUG experiences, but they
>can be learning experiences if you let them... it's only a game anyway.
Nearly* every PUG I was in (in LotRO) was enjoyable. It was fun meeting
new people and making friends. Really the only annoying thing about PUGs
is the time it takes to form them (especially for the more odious quests).
Of course, now it's 6 or 7 months later when I've started playing again
and the (presumably lesser) number of players are spread out over an even
bigger area. Plus a number of my old in-game friends have left. That all
makes it a bit tougher to group for me.
* I remember two unpleasant experiences. Both were the result of one poor
player. You try to be adult about it and give them the benefit of the
doubt - maybe the player is just a child or something. But both times the
group leader ended up kicking them out and the rest of us had a good time
after that.
>I'm sure they have more than "data mined" all the information, and
>most probably, what they've found out is that soloers play the game
>for much less time than 'groupers/guilders', and maybe that's why they
>prefer these.
Maybe in longer stretches sure, but you're not actually trying to tell us
you think that the combined total hours of all soloers is exceeded by
groupers? Not a chance, not even close, not even in the same universe I'd
day. *Most* ppl I meet, be it CoX, EQ2, WoW, GW or whatnot spend the vast
majority of their time soloing. That's not to say many wouldn't prefer to
group (like yourself), it's just that the reality for most ppl these days is
that it's far easier to pop off an hour or two doing what you want, when you
want, instead of waiting around or dealing with the shit you get out of most
PUGs. Hell, I even formed a weekly CoH team game that ran for the best part
of 18 mths on & off, but I *still* spent more than 75% of my time soloing.
Sure, I'll group every opportunity I'm given & I'll chat to my guildies or
locals whenever practical, as I'm a social beast by nature (as most of us
probably are or we wouldn't even be here).
However, if you looked at my online stats you'd probably see well over 90%
solo time in WoW, almost 100% in GW, & somewhere in between for most other
mmos. Btw, I don't count PvP players in this - I'm only talking about PvE
here. Obviously the figures would look at little different if you include
the likes of Battlegrounds/Arena from WoW or similar from Guild Wars - those
are almost exclusively team-oriented (except for the odd 1 on 1 PvP), so you
can't really count them in this analysis. Hey, it's MY analysis, so I can
narrow the sample set by whatever criteria I choose, & because I don't PvP,
I perforce exclude those players from my observations. ;)
>I'm a grouper, not a soloer or a guilder, and for me I think CoX was
>the best entry, allowing me to easily find/join pickup groups, at
>least when I played it, which was a few years ago. That's why I always
>play MMOs in their infancy, sure plenty of bugs, but also plenty of
>people to do stuff with, who are not doing it for the 100th time.
Yeah, that's why my soloing stats would probably be the lowest for CoX (in
the past - this time round I haven't grouped once as yet with my Stalker -
fits the AT I reckon ;).
--
Nostromo
I have to agree, in LOTRO during it's 1st 3-4 mths especially, from
open-beta onwards, it was almost impossible to get into a bad PUG. I forgot
about it in my previous post, so it probably tops my list, along with CoH,
for most grouping in a mmo. Ahhh, happee tiiimes!
(Ok, D2, though not a mmo, saw far more teaming for myself, but that's
ancient history now, more's the pity *sigh*).
--
Nostromo
>On Sat, 10 May 2008 20:21:27 +1000, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Nostromo
>wrote:
>
>>Thus spake Sheldon England <sheldon...@netscape.net>, Sat, 10 May 2008
>>07:13:06 GMT, Anno Domini:
>>
>>>Darin Johnson wrote:
>>>> Yes, this is sort of normal for an MMO game ...
>>>
>>>"Me too!"
>>>
>>>I have nothing to add other than to say I pretty much agree with
>>>everything you have written.
>>
>>Ditto. I can't wait for a mmo that is built from the ground up with soloers
>>in mind <EG>. Yes, it's counter-intuitive to want that, but after many years
>>of mmos I'd just like one that rewards soloers first & foremost & treats
>>groupies as 2nd-class citizens :)
>[snip]
>
>Massively Multiplayer Online Solo RPG: MMOSRPG.
>
>It's like "Jews for Jesus" or "Fucking for Virginity," with 98% more geek. :^D
ROFL - hey, if more Jews were for Jesus & more ppl fucked for virginity, I
reckon the world would be a better place. Tell me I'm wrong? ;-p
--
Nostromo
I'm pretty sure Tolkein packaged it as 6 books, the first and second
halves of each of the 3 actually published. I think the publisher
thought the public wouldn't want to wait out the publishing schedules
for 6 separate volumes. Now that various fantasy series have become
10-book meganovels JRRT's preferred packaging might be more acceptable.
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 20:21:27 +1000, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg,
> Nostromo wrote:
>
>>Thus spake Sheldon England <sheldon...@netscape.net>, Sat, 10 May
>>2008 07:13:06 GMT, Anno Domini:
>>
>>>Darin Johnson wrote:
>>>> Yes, this is sort of normal for an MMO game ...
>>>
>>>"Me too!"
>>>
>>>I have nothing to add other than to say I pretty much agree with
>>>everything you have written.
>>
>>Ditto. I can't wait for a mmo that is built from the ground up with
>>soloers in mind <EG>. Yes, it's counter-intuitive to want that, but
>>after many years of mmos I'd just like one that rewards soloers first
>>& foremost & treats groupies as 2nd-class citizens :)
> [snip]
>
> Massively Multiplayer Online Solo RPG: MMOSRPG.
>
> It's like "Jews for Jesus" or "Fucking for Virginity," with 98% more
> geek. :^D
>
I love it how people automatically think Massively Multiplayer Online
means grouping. It doesn't. It means many people online playing on a
concentrated server all at once. It has nothing to do with grouping,
although that is an option. So to want/request an MMO with more
soloability than grouping is nothing strange in the concept of an MMO.
> I'm just getting back into it. There have been 3 epic books released
> since I played! :)
I'm thinking about buying it today. Although I'd hate to end up in a ghost
town.
What servers do you here play?
~Az
Sheldon, Paula and I all play on Elendilmir. It's good for late night
solo play because there are a lot of Oceania players online that also play
on it, so it's not so hard to find people to group with in the wee hours.
Sheldon and I are in a kinship called the Guardians of Anduin, while Paula
is in the Order of the Ancients (which evolved from the old CSIPGR
kinship).
If you want to read more posts about LotRO you might be better off reading
the official forums: http://forums.lotro.com
> On 21 May 2008 16:20:41 GMT, Azure <rleig...@REMOVEhotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Michael Cecil <mac...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:iqp6245qoa1jtp5rl...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> I'm just getting back into it. There have been 3 epic books
>>> released since I played! :)
>>
>>I'm thinking about buying it today. Although I'd hate to end up in a
>>ghost town.
>>
>>What servers do you here play?
>>
>>~Az
>
> Sheldon, Paula and I all play on Elendilmir. It's good for late night
> solo play because there are a lot of Oceania players online that also
> play on it, so it's not so hard to find people to group with in the
> wee hours. Sheldon and I are in a kinship called the Guardians of
> Anduin, while Paula is in the Order of the Ancients (which evolved
> from the old CSIPGR kinship).
>
> If you want to read more posts about LotRO you might be better off
> reading the official forums: http://forums.lotro.com
Thanks for the reply. I tried the forums it seems I need a key to post.
*shrug* I'll be buying the game today so thats not a probem.
I'll check out the server you named when I get in. :)
~Az
Hmm, I thought you could post in the "Free Trial" forums. There
are enough old posts covering most possible topics, so you
could search for what you need (though there's that 30 seconds
between searches thing).
The top population server seems to be Brandywine, followed
by Landroval, then maybe Elendilmir. Landroval is the unofficial
RP server, which I'm on. Elendilmir is the unofficial Oceanic
server.
I may put someone on Elendilmir when I run out of slots and
want to try out a class I haven't played.
Good to know. I was wondering about a decently populated server. Although
it doesn't have to be the most populated for my personal enjoyment. Just
good folk and good times. :)
I knew that. But a sense of humour doesn't hurt, whether you solo or
group most of the time ;)
--
Nostromo
Hmmm. I thought MMO just meant all the players were "massive". My bad.
>>I knew that. But a sense of humour doesn't hurt, whether you solo or
>>group most of the time ;)
>
>Hmmm. I thought MMO just meant all the players were "massive". My bad.
Speak for yerself - I'm going for HUMANGOUS!!! >8^D
--
Nostromo
--arioch
Agreed. And I wasn't really directing my post at anyone inparticular. My
apologies if it came across that way. :)
One snag is that the total game population is not nearly so high as
some. A higher population LOTRO server sort of feels like a low
population WoW server. People have different viewpoints too; some
have said Brandywine feels crowded, but others disagree. But
there's really only one place in the game, Bree, that gets crowded.
>>> I love it how people automatically think Massively Multiplayer Online
>>> means grouping. It doesn't. It means many people online playing on a
>>> concentrated server all at once. It has nothing to do with grouping,
>>> although that is an option. So to want/request an MMO with more
>>> soloability than grouping is nothing strange in the concept of an MMO.
>>
>> I knew that. But a sense of humour doesn't hurt, whether you solo or
>> group most of the time ;)
>>
>
> Agreed. And I wasn't really directing my post at anyone inparticular. My
> apologies if it came across that way. :)
Hey, this is AbUseNet - you don't apologise when someone takes the piss
- you get even! You will upset the flame-fun continuum if you keep this
up ;)
--
Nostromo