Longbow2 Bouncing tire realism!!
Tiberius
Here's another story of LB2's super realism:
My wingman got hit by an enemy helicopter's missile and blew up. He
was to my immediate right. We were both at about 20 to 30 feet. I saw
the usual explosion and flash.
What I didn't expect was to see his landing gear tire flying off and
go bouncing on the terrain in front of me.
His tire was actually bouncing and rolling!! In fact it looked like
the tire almost hit me. I wonder what would have happened in that
case? Can we be hurt by flying debris?
Anyway, this type of realism is unbelievable. Just unbelievable.
T.S. Hurita
Your *not* kidding! if you watch your helicopter in the external view you
can actually see the rotor blades coning effect increase and decrease in
proportion to the amount of collective you apply, enemy helicopters as well!
The one lack of realism I have noticed is that ground vehicles tires and
tracks do not turn while they are moving
but that's not a big deal at least they MOVE!
Tiberius wrote in message <349f8061...@sd.znet.com>...
Nanshing
Speaking of rotor blades, I once destroyed an enemy chopper. It exploded
off screen to my left. What surprised the heck out of me was seeing the
rotor blades flying right across my screen. It was so close I couldn't even
see the top and bottom bits. Imagine, bring killed by rogue rotors...
Nan Shing
T.S. Hurita <woo...@teleport.com> wrote in article
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ZombieZine
Wow. This sim sounds so freakin' incredible! Just when I think I MUST have
heard it all, someone brings up yet another juicy detail. Man.
Santa's bringing me LB2 for Xmas. Will Xmas morning EVER arrive?! I'm 31, but
I'll be rippin' into that box at the crack of dawn like a little school boy
again! I can't wait and stuff. :)
Happy Holidays!
Keith
Tiberius
Yes, I'd noticed the coning effect too.
I also like the F4 cockpit screen. It seems to give more of the
bouncing around effect.
Tiberius
On 24 Dec 1997 08:46:30 GMT, zombi...@aol.com (ZombieZine) wrote:
>Wow. This sim sounds so freakin' incredible! Just when I think I MUST have
>heard it all, someone brings up yet another juicy detail. Man.
>
Just make sure you have 3dfx card. I first played the game without
one, and it didn't work or play that good. I bought the Monster 3d
card just to play this sim, and it is GREAT!
Be prepared to go to flight school though... <g>
ZombieZine
Abr...@hell.com (Tiberius) wrote:
>Just make sure you have 3dfx card. I first played the game without
>one, and it didn't work or play that good. I bought the Monster 3d
>card just to play this sim, and it is GREAT!
Heh, oh yeah, I have a Monster 3D card. :) I'll also be getting the Saitek
combo for Xmas to fly LB2.
>Be prepared to go to flight school though... <g>
No doubt! But you know, I LOVE that about serious, hardcore sims--the whole
study period and research/learning process! I happen to dig doing that with a
chunky new sim. Always have. The bigger the manual, the better for me. :)
Nothing better during the holidays than sittin' around eating a ham sandwich
and macaroni salad, while delving into my new manuals and game materials! Or,
laying in bed at night and reading them before I drift off to sleep--visions of
Hellfire missles and AAA fire dancing in my head! Or, sitting on the
toil...well, you get the idea. I just love it.
Happy Holidays!
Keith
Vegaman
In a mission were we had to insert toops to raid an airfield I noticed the
following. We had finished the mission and were on our way back home.
Before I pealed off I decided to jump into the gunners position (blackhawk)
and shoot at some of the enemy helicopters that were parked on the ground.
Near one of the hinds was a fuel truck. I diagonal to the helicopter, so
there was no way I could hit the truck without having to move the gun and
the chopper. When the Hind exploded, it sent debrise everywhere and I
noticed one of its engines (or something like it) hit the truck, and BLAM,
it went too!
Also try this. If you ever have tents or a truck very near a tank or
helicopter, get in a position so that you are lined up with both of them,
ie have both targets in a line. Fire a Hellfire, and watch the other target
go Kaboogy!
Just thought I might share some of those!!
Roy
Geoff Smith
I have just got LB2. I have an AMD K5 PR166 & 3Dfx card. Why is the
realism and frame rate so terrible? Everyone else who've posted in
this thread seem to love it so I just don't get it. I've just sent
another message moaning about it to this group because I am so annoyed
that the reviews and all this hype about it make it sound so good.
Surely a K5 PR166 is good enough? It;'s supposed to be around as fast
as an Intel 200 except for FPU, but FPU doesn't really come into it
when you have a 3Dfx card, does it? I am really annoyed at the whole
thing. Even with all the graphics stuff set at their lowest and
nothing else happening on the screen apart from me flying, it is slow
and tiresome-As if the 3D card isn't running or something? I hear the
relay click though so I assume it's being used. There seems to be no
way of setting it on or off though.
Regards,
Geoff.
T.S. Hurita
Don't feel bad, I'am 33 and I got to open mine early hehehehehehe.
ZombieZine wrote in message
<19971224084...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>Santa's bringing me LB2 for Xmas. Will Xmas morning EVER arrive?! I'm 31,
but
>I'll be rippin' into that box at the crack of dawn like a little school boy
>
>Happy Holidays!
>
>Keith
Hellfire
Geoff Smith wrote in message <34a23432...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>I have just got LB2. I have an AMD K5 PR166 & 3Dfx card. Why is the
>realism and frame rate so terrible? Everyone else who've posted in
>this thread seem to love it so I just don't get it. I've just sent
>another message moaning about it to this group because I am so annoyed
>that the reviews and all this hype about it make it sound so good.
>Surely a K5 PR166 is good enough? It;'s supposed to be around as fast
>as an Intel 200 except for FPU, but FPU doesn't really come into it
>when you have a 3Dfx card, does it?
Wrong! The FPU is used heavily cause it has to calculate the mountains
and so on. The further you set the horizon the more calculations the FPU
must perform. The weakspot of AMD and Cyrix CPU's are their FPU's.
I'm sorry (no, i don't like Intel) but Intel Pentium CPU's are far superior
as FPU calcs are concerned. If you want fast 3D get an Intel.
The 3D card is mainly used for graphics. Not for all the other stuff that
has
to be calculated like the flight-model etc.
The Integer calculation are indeed on a par with Intel Pentium chips (up to
133mhz, K6 200's are about equal to 233mhz Pentium's)
For an indepth explanation go see the CPU pages on Toms' hardware guide at
http://www.tomshardware.com
>I am really annoyed at the whole
>thing. Even with all the graphics stuff set at their lowest and
>nothing else happening on the screen apart from me flying, it is slow
>and tiresome-As if the 3D card isn't running or something? I hear the
>relay click though so I assume it's being used. There seems to be no
>way of setting it on or off though.
>
>Regards,
>Geoff.
Don't forget. A K5 really isn't that fast. It may be fast enough for office
applications but it is too slow for the 3D games that are made nowadays.
Greetings,
Steven "Hellfire" Rodenburg
E-Mail: ste...@nospam-idm.nl
(just remove " nospam- " for my real adress)
rdc...@spamtrap.erols.com
>I have just got LB2. I have an AMD K5 PR166 & 3Dfx card. Why is the
>realism and frame rate so terrible? Everyone else who've posted in
>this thread seem to love it so I just don't get it. I've just sent
>another message moaning about it to this group because I am so annoyed
>that the reviews and all this hype about it make it sound so good.
>Surely a K5 PR166 is good enough? It;'s supposed to be around as fast
>as an Intel 200 except for FPU, but FPU doesn't really come into it
>when you have a 3Dfx card, does it?
This is completely incorrect. The Voodoo chipset requires the CPU to
do triangle setup, and it's the FPU that matters most here. Your CPU's
floating-point performance is about half that of a P133, which is the
game's minimum CPU requirement. LB2's poor performance on your system
is to be expected.
>I am really annoyed at the whole
>thing. Even with all the graphics stuff set at their lowest and
>nothing else happening on the screen apart from me flying, it is slow
>and tiresome-As if the 3D card isn't running or something? I hear the
>relay click though so I assume it's being used. There seems to be no
>way of setting it on or off though.
You bought the wrong CPU for high-end flight simulations. You should
have asked.
RichC
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Udie
Nanshing wrote:
>
> Speaking of rotor blades, I once destroyed an enemy chopper. It exploded
> off screen to my left. What surprised the heck out of me was seeing the
> rotor blades flying right across my screen. It was so close I couldn't even
> see the top and bottom bits. Imagine, bring killed by rogue rotors...
>
> Nan Shing
Here's one for ya... about 2 weeks ago I was on a night mission to
destroy a supply dump. The flight into enemy territory was tense. We had
been attacked by 4 helo's by the time we even got to our bombing
waypoint, so I was out of stingers. I spotted an enemy farp in a "U"
shaped valley. I called in air support for the helo's that were there
and told my wingman to stay put at the north ridge overlooking the
valley. Then I went around to the south ridge (staying at 50ft behind
the mountain) . I popped up to paint the valley and make a PFZ. Then I
hovered at about 40 ft. under the ridge.
I gave the ground targets to my wingman and told him to engage. It was
great I couldnt see any of his hellfire's but I could see a glowing lite
from the other side of the ridge. Then all of a sudden I see green
tracers from my hi 1:00 a cobra had seen me I guess and had come over to
kill me. I quickly hit full left rudder, floored the collective and
dived for speed. I got to the bottom of the mountail and pulled up
applying full right rudder. I could see the helo about .5 km to my low
1:00. He was heading (and shooting) right at me when I see this flash at
12:00 hi. The f16 I had called in had finaly arrived. His missle hit
the cobra causing it to explode. All the bits and pieces flew right
under my cockpit, I thought I would collide with the main body too. It
was realy cool looking, I could see the pilot in his doomed chopper.
Then all the smoke that now surrounded my chopper started to glow as the
parts of the cobra exploded on the ground about 100ft below me.
It was a realy intense 20 or 30 seconds, prob the best fealing of realy
being there I have ever had from a video game. Hehehe I was realy pissed
that the f16 stole my kill though hehe I had just lased the cobra and
was about to open fire...
--
Udie
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Bloody Jaguars
Jan Loebzien
On Wed, 24 Dec 1997 16:19:49, Ge...@sierra.demon.co.uk (Geoff Smith)
wrote:
> Surely a K5 PR166 is good enough? It;'s supposed to be around as fast
> as an Intel 200 except for FPU, but FPU doesn't really come into it
> when you have a 3Dfx card, does it? I am really annoyed at the whole
> thing. Even with all the graphics stuff set at their lowest and
> nothing else happening on the screen apart from me flying, it is slow
> and tiresome-As if the 3D card isn't running or something? I hear the
> relay click though so I assume it's being used. There seems to be no
> way of setting it on or off though.
>
You've got something wrong!
The K6 (!!!) is the first AMD who can really compete with the
pentium stuff,with the exception of the FPU performance.
So as the FPU is heavily used in LB2 and other modern flight sims(for
AI
and landscape computing),I suggest you to get AT LEAST a pentium 133
or a K6 166 for your 3Dfx card to achieve an acceptable performance.
BTW,I'm still curious what old sim with better graphics than LB2(with
all
the details down) has a better framerate on a 486,as you mentioned in
this other thread?
cu, Jan
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In article <67oo9p$t09$1...@news1.teleport.com>, "T.S. Hurita"
<woo...@teleport.com> wrote:
> The one lack of realism I have noticed is that ground vehicles tires
> and tracks do not turn while they are moving
> but that's not a big deal at least they MOVE!
Another LACK of realism is that the ground vehicles PASS THROUGH one
another. Again, like you said, that doesn't really detract from the
overall game. The only time you will notice them passing THROUGH one
another is when you're not being actively engaged by hostiles (which is
very rarely I might add).
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>Heh, oh yeah, I have a Monster 3D card. :) I'll also be getting the Saitek
>combo for Xmas to fly LB2.
Don't forget to read other's post about the Saitek here, if it doesn't
work right, right away.
>
>No doubt! But you know, I LOVE that about serious, hardcore sims--the whole
>study period and research/learning process! I happen to dig doing that with a
>chunky new sim. Always have. The bigger the manual, the better for me. :)
You'll have fun here then. Don't forget to also get the Jane's
Official Guide to Longbow2, about $15. It gives a LOT more detail
about the game that you should know.
>Nothing better during the holidays than sittin' around eating a ham sandwich
>and macaroni salad, while delving into my new manuals and game materials! Or,
>laying in bed at night and reading them before I drift off to sleep--visions of
>Hellfire missles and AAA fire dancing in my head! Or, sitting on the
>toil...well, you get the idea. I just love it.
Have fun!
ZombieZine
Abr...@hell.com (Tiberius) wrote:
>>Heh, oh yeah, I have a Monster 3D card. :) I'll also be getting the Saitek
>>combo for Xmas to fly LB2.
>
>Don't forget to read other's post about the Saitek here, if it doesn't
>work right, right away.
Thanks. I did that, cuz it didn't work right, right away. :) But I have to
say--now that I have the bugs worked out--I LOVE the Saitek X36!!! Really helps
in LB2! Big time. I feel bad for people without one now. And I must say, that
for a day or so there I was actually considering taking it back, cuz it was so
hard to get it running right with my games. But I'm now glad I didn't, and that
I had the patience to work with it another day longer. When the clouds finally
parted and I understood how the process of starting it and turning it off after
use worked, it was smooth sailing from then on. Now it's easy. I just wasn't
seeing the process clearly (the manual could use some work).
And it makes me wonder about others who post about "problems" they had with it,
so they took it back. While some I'm sure really do have legitimate hardware
conflicts with it that will keep it from EVER working right, others might be
just like I was the first day or two: right away ASSUMING you have serious
hardware/system conflicts and that it will NEVER work right, when if you just
stick with it and really follow the instructions CLOSELY, you could actually
probably get it working just fine. Again, this isn't the case for everyone, but
I bet most. The instructions are a little confusing and I can so see that most
average computer users--especially the very non-technical--would really have a
hard time setting this up. It takes some patience at first (at least for me).
I'm also sure many will buy it and it will work just fine right out of the box.
Some are lucky.
But again, I trully thought I wasn't going to ever get it working right, when I
realized in the end, that it was just my choice of joystick in the Win95
control panel, usage of the enclosed "launcher" program, and usage of the
enclosed configuration files that was messing me up and causing problems. Once
I got all that straight, the problems I THOUGHT were serious system conflicts
disappeared completely. It's all in how you use it. :)
>>No doubt! But you know, I LOVE that about serious, hardcore sims--the whole
>>study period and research/learning process! I happen to dig doing that with
>a
>>chunky new sim. Always have. The bigger the manual, the better for me. :)
>
>You'll have fun here then. Don't forget to also get the Jane's
>Official Guide to Longbow2, about $15. It gives a LOT more detail
>about the game that you should know.
Yeah, I got that for Xmas too. :)
>>Nothing better during the holidays than sittin' around eating a ham sandwich
>>and macaroni salad, while delving into my new manuals and game materials!
>Or,
>>laying in bed at night and reading them before I drift off to sleep--visions
>of
>>Hellfire missles and AAA fire dancing in my head! Or, sitting on the
>>toil...well, you get the idea. I just love it.
>
>Have fun!
Ohhhh, I am! :D
Keith