Return To Krondor Download
Trimble Bracegirdle
the early 90's .
The sequel RETURN TO KRONDOR a Windows game from around 1997 is less good
but
still OK & liked.
AND impossible to find any place ...I have been checking a particular
Torrent file for over 2 years in case it came back to life ..no luck there
but I have found this recent addition
with healthy downloading activity.
Watch out tho its 2 CD's are in daa format which you will need to be able to
use.
http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3957848/Return_to_Krondor.3957848.TPB.torrent
YES ! I know we don't approve of Pirating, but this can not be brought any
place and
must be totally Abandonware.
Its a near Classic must have for those with an interest in the original
Total Classic.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse(your sooo Bad !)
John Lewis
<no-...@never.spam> wrote:
>BETRAYAL AT KRONDOR is / was a muched loved & well reviewed DOS RPG from
>the early 90's .
>The sequel RETURN TO KRONDOR a Windows game from around 1997 is less good
>but
>still OK & liked.
>AND impossible to find any place ...I have been checking a particular
>Torrent file for over 2 years in case it came back to life ..no luck there
>but I have found this recent addition
>with healthy downloading activity.
>Watch out tho its 2 CD's are in daa format which you will need to be able to
>use.
>
>http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3957848/Return_to_Krondor.3957848.TPB.torrent
>
>YES ! I know we don't approve of Pirating, but this can not be brought any
>place and
>must be totally Abandonware.
Return to Krondor. On Ebay. 5 listings as of this moment. Two claiming
to be "new" copies.
Good try at the "abandonware" argument. Better luck next time.
Oh, I'll consider selling my (legally-purchased) copy of the game to
you for $75 plus shipping :-) :-)
John Lewis
Gabriele Neukam
> AND impossible to find any place ...
really?
Gabriele Neukam
--
Often those who most loudly proclaim their freedom to choose in some
fields are the most retentive about 'correcting' others' choices in
other fields.
(Brian Brunner in alt.games.diablo2)
Mary
news:fuvfcn$200$00$1...@news.t-online.com...
> On this special day, Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:
>
> > AND impossible to find any place ...
>
> really?
>
>
http://www.gemando.de/Rueckkehr-nach-Krondor-PC-_detail_400_73_SESS-98c8832d6662c8391ce7ef30d422fdbd.html
Isn't 1.99 EU only about $3.11 U.S. ($3.16 Can.$ for me) so practically
free. Shipping cost would be more than the game.
Also, you would need to understand German.
Mary
CoinSpin
Funny thing... First thing I did was go to Amazon.com, then enter
"return to krondor" in the search, and it came back with 22 sellers in
the amazon marketplace... Ranged from about $19 US and up - one of the
sites mentioned was gogamer.com, which would have been my next search.
Several of copies showed as new, quite a few used in the $11 range.
Even though it's 13 years old, it has not officially been deemed
"abandonware" yet, while other newer titles have dropped into that realm
years ago... Probably has to do with so many different companies being
involved (it was released right at the height of several mergers
involving the developing companies).
CoinSpin
Trimble
quid.
The US Ebay ones are not that bad Re: postage anyway.
Does not seem to have much of a collectors high value tho.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
now)
Trimble Bracegirdle
John Lewis
wrote:
You might like to consider not cell-phone texting for a while. Your
mastery of typing and using full english words might improve. At least
you might be able to run a spell-checker. Also, you do seem to have a
problem with line-wrap in your postings.
Ta-ta....
John Lewis
>
YuoLin
"John Lewis" <john...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:4812b33e...@news.verizon.net...
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:23:24 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
> <no-...@never.spam> wrote:
>
>>BETRAYAL AT KRONDOR is / was a muched loved & well reviewed DOS RPG from
>>the early 90's .
>>The sequel RETURN TO KRONDOR a Windows game from around 1997 is less good
>>but
>>still OK & liked.
>>AND impossible to find any place ...I have been checking a particular
>>Torrent file for over 2 years in case it came back to life ..no luck there
>>but I have found this recent addition
>>with healthy downloading activity.
>>Watch out tho its 2 CD's are in daa format which you will need to be able
>>to
>>use.
>>
>>http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3957848/Return_to_Krondor.3957848.TPB.torrent
>>
>>YES ! I know we don't approve of Pirating, but this can not be brought
>>any
>>place and
>>must be totally Abandonware.
>
> Return to Krondor. On Ebay. 5 listings as of this moment. Two claiming
> to be "new" copies.
>
> Good try at the "abandonware" argument. Better luck next time.
I'm sure the creative people behind the game would be devastated if they
thought people had access to their work and were enjoying it without needing
to jump through hoops to find a legal copy, the payment for which will never
directly or indirectly be funneled to said creative people.
By the way, when you sell a used copy of a game to someone else, or buy one
from someone else, you deprive the publisher of more revenue than the
average pirate does by downloading a copy of a game that they are very
unlikely ever to have bought.
But most anti piracy types aren't bright enough to understand that - they
only know right and wrong by what is defined by law.
I never sell nor buy used copies of games - if I want a game I buy it
retail, to support the developers.
I consider anybody who actively pursues secondary market PC games while
actively decrying piracy to be ill-thought out about the whole issue. But
there will never be a shortage of people who think only what they're told to
think, and who take every opportunity to feel sanctimonious.
John Lewis
At full retail price?? Or when on sale ??
You don't happen to be our old nemesis "pc games" in disguise ?
>
>I consider anybody who actively pursues secondary market PC games while
>actively decrying piracy to be ill-thought out about the whole issue. But
>there will never be a shortage of people who think only what they're told to
>think, and who take every opportunity to feel sanctimonious.
>
>
Hmm... Have you ever bought a used car? Or any other used capital
item --- like a used house? Or anything else used? You have deprived
the car manufacturer, house builder, etc. of their revenue/profit. If
any of these scenarios is true in your case or likely to be in the
future, then consistency of thought does not seem to be one of your
strong point........
You do also realize that Return to Krondor is out-of-print?
Incidentally, I originally bought Return to Krondor when it was new,
thus already rewarding the sundry people on the game's food-chain.
You do also know that any out-of-print games available on Steam are
highly likely to have been bulk-purchased by Valve (probably for a
piddling sum) from the publisher or a rights-acquiring 3rd-party and
that most of the actual game developers are long gone? Like CGW
bulk-purchased Deux Ex GOTY and Thief 2 full games to put on their
January 2004 magazine DVD. You no doubt would consider it a sin
that I actually bought this copy to get those games for "free".
Your argument is as full of holes as a colander.
John Lewis
Trimble Bracegirdle
Cell-Mobil-Phone-thing
& hardly ever used one ...but I will try giving them up to see if my
Eng.-Lang.-written-ability improves...thankyou Johnny L. for your time in
assisting little limited me in my sad attempts to communicate with the other
bits of Humanity or whatever.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
Trimble Bracegirdle
this
Returning To Krondor place ????
NOWHERE that's where (apparently ?)
YuoLin
>>I never sell nor buy used copies of games - if I want a game I buy it
>>retail, to support the developers.
>
> At full retail price?? Or when on sale ??
I try to buy directly from the developer so there are as few middle men as
possible. That is often not possible so I will buy retail - and the price I
pay at retail has nothing to do with how much the publisher gets. They get
wholesale price regardless of what the retailer sells it for. But no, I
don't wait for sales. If I want a game I buy it regardless of the price (a
good game is a good bargain in any case as far as I'm concerned).
> You don't happen to be our old nemesis "pc games" in disguise ?
Nope.
>>I consider anybody who actively pursues secondary market PC games while
>>actively decrying piracy to be ill-thought out about the whole issue. But
>>there will never be a shortage of people who think only what they're told
>>to
>>think, and who take every opportunity to feel sanctimonious.
>
> Hmm... Have you ever bought a used car? Or any other used capital
> item --- like a used house? Or anything else used? You have deprived
> the car manufacturer, house builder, etc. of their revenue/profit. If
> any of these scenarios is true in your case or likely to be in the
> future, then consistency of thought does not seem to be one of your
> strong point........
I apply the same principles to books - I do not buy a book used if I want to
support the author.
As for cars, it is very simple from manufacturer's standpoint: when they
sell a car, they expect it to be used for X thousand miles, and then they
expect that it will have to be replaced. The actual owner or owners over
those X thousand miles is irrelevant, and secondary market exchanges do
nothing to reduce new car sales. At most, the secondary market extends the
lifetime of cars, so they are replaced slightly slower than they would be if
they could not be transfered.
That does not apply for software or books, which can be re-used ad infinitum
with the only bottleneck being the fact that no two people can use the item
at the same time. The product does not lose value with use, and as such
there is no incentive to buy new. Combine that with the fact that selling a
used game does not incentivize someone to purchase a new one, (being done
with the game incentivizes them slightly, but selling it has no additional
effect,) and you have a perfect storm of secondary market cannibalization of
primary market.
In a very real and direct sense, every dollar a used game sells for is AT
LEAST a dollar less that is paid into the developer/publisher/retailer
system. The fact that someone was willing to go to the hassle of an ebay
purchase for a game is strong evidence that they would have purchased retail
if used were not an option. The ones for whom the price difference would
have kept them from buying, are made up for by the others who would have
paid more at retail.
John Lewis
wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:41:57 GMT, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, John Lewis
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Hmm... Have you ever bought a used car? Or any other used capital
>>item --- like a used house? Or anything else used?
>
>LOL. That is hard property. It does not involve a license transfer. Thus you
>are comparing apples and oranges.
>
>Your house and your car are YOURS.
>
>With a piece of software, the media is yours, but whether you have to right to
>sell it is a question of the license. Without that license transfer, you are
>legitimately selling copyrighted materials (First Sale), but without the rights
>to *use* them. Most licenses today allow this transfer, so you are legal.
>
>But we've adopted the "First Sale" doctrine of books to software, without
>recognition that it doesn't work as neatly because of the licensure issue.
>Applying antiquated law to a market with different properties can have
>unintended consequences. In this case, it absolutely harms the market.
>
>The business models are all built on a licensure basis, so the profit is
>demonstrably damaged when someone sells and transfers a game on eBay. This is
>why software manufacturers are moving to close down license transfer.
>
>This is an "inconvenient truth" regarding the resale of games. You can live
>with the consequence, and claim that resale is your right, but you *can't*
>claim that behavior isn't causing problems for developers and publishers as
>grave as casual bootlegging.
>
>>You have deprived
>>the car manufacturer, house builder, etc. of their revenue/profit.
>
>No. I still have to pay someone to maintain that stuff, as does anyone I sell
>it to. It's part of the business model. I still have to buy parts from someone,
>and might even take the car to the dealer. There is all sorts of profit to be
>made in the transferrence of durable goods that simply does not exist in the
>resale of games.
>
>Remember that book publishers fought "First Sale" tooth and nail at the turn of
>the 20th century. They were defeated because their product was cheap to
>produce. We are in the same fight with software now. The problem being that a
>good deal more money goes into the production of a piece of software as it does
>in the case of a book. It's a different story.
>
>There is a case for denying "First Sale" when the product is so much more
>expensive to produce, and the lawful use of it is tied to a license. Computer
>games are effectively an instanced sale, like a movie ticket, not a durable
>sale, like a house.
>
>"First Sale" was codified in 1976, before these issues cropped up. Software
>licensing was developed, in part, to get around the "problem." The law is
>outdated, and any publisher will tell you so.
>
>> If
>>any of these scenarios is true in your case or likely to be in the
>>future, then consistency of thought does not seem to be one of your
>>strong point........
>>
>>You do also realize that Return to Krondor is out-of-print?
>>Incidentally, I originally bought Return to Krondor when it was new,
>>thus already rewarding the sundry people on the game's food-chain.
>>
>>You do also know that any out-of-print games available on Steam are
>>highly likely to have been bulk-purchased by Valve (probably for a
>>piddling sum) from the publisher or a rights-acquiring 3rd-party and
>>that most of the actual game developers are long gone? Like CGW
>>bulk-purchased Deux Ex GOTY and Thief 2 full games to put on their
>>January 2004 magazine DVD. You no doubt would consider it a sin
>>that I actually bought this copy to get those games for "free".
>>
>>Your argument is as full of holes as a colander.
>>
>No. His argument is sound. You just don't like the smell of your own
>you-know-what.
>
>No one is saying that resale is "wrong," they are saying it has grave
>consequences which you blithely ignore.
>
>They are saying that it is hypocritical to talk up resale as something virtuous
>and copyright infringement as a grave injustice in the same post.
>
>Both do harm.
>
>Either behavior causes serious problems in the business model, and there are no
>holes in that assessment.
>
>--
>Zag
>
>
>"The Ends Justify The Means" ~Niccolo Machiavelli, c. 1550
>
>"Their Means Justify Our Means" ~Hillary Clinton, c. 2008
Better let Gamestop know of your strong opinions. They had record
profits last quarter and iirc around 70% of that bonanza came from
used-game sales. Hopefully, you never do any business with any
company that indulges in used-game sales. Otherwise, who is the kettle
calling the pot black ?
John Lewis
Gabriele Neukam
> Also, you would need to understand German.
This is probably the main issue. I would like to know whether they
offer the game in English, too, but their website is currently under
work which prevents me from getting any information on this topic.
Gabriele Neukam
--
ignorance can be fixed. stupidity is life-long.
(jshdude in alt.comp.anti-virus)
Mary
> On this special day, Mary wrote:
>
> > Also, you would need to understand German.
>
> This is probably the main issue. I would like to know whether they
> offer the game in English, too, but their website is currently under
> work which prevents me from getting any information on this topic.
Gabriele - Do you mean this site which you posted here the other day ::
The above site is not under work.
Mary
Anestis
> Gabriele - Do you mean this site which you posted here the other day ::
>
> http://www.gemando.de/Rueckkehr-nach-Krondor-PC-_detail_400_73_SESS-98c8832d6662c8391ce7ef30d422fdbd.html
>
> The above site is not under work.
I just ordered, and will report here if there is an option for English
during installation :)
--
Anestis
Gabriele Neukam
> The above site is not under work.
Gemando isn't the publisher, it is only *one* vendor. The real
publisher of this bargain edition is Dice Multimedia, based in the
Netherlands, and their page "dice.nl" is under construction. I have no
idea for how long, but the sentence "All content is © 2004" doesn't
really look like anything is happening soon.
Gabriele Neukam
--
> Is there such a thing as a Honeymoon period in a new newsgroup?
(Roger Hunt in uk.comp.vintage)
In a want it now instantly straight away world - no :-)
(Krustov in ucv)
rpgs rock dvds
> BETRAYAL AT KRONDOR is / was a muched loved & well reviewed DOS RPG from
> the early 90's .
> The sequel RETURN TO KRONDOR a Windows game from around 1997 is less good
> but
> still OK & liked.
> AND impossible to find any place ...I have been checking a particular
> Torrent file for over 2 years in case it came back to life ..no luck there
> but I have found this recent addition
> with healthy downloading activity.
> Watch out tho its 2 CD's are in daa format which you will need to be able to
> use.
>
>
> YES ! I know we don't approve of Pirating, but this can not be brought any
> place and
> must be totally Abandonware.
> Its a near Classic must have for those with an interest in the original
> Total Classic.
> (\__/)
> (='.'=)
> (")_(") mouse(your sooo Bad !)
Forgive me for being incredibly late to contribute to this thread (and
also for not ploughing thru the 31 messages in this thread either),
but ebay item 130220437988 is the same one I bought a few weeks ago
from the same seller - it's brand new, sealed and all shiny and new
inside. I am from UK and paid a fair bit on shipping, but I think
it's the closest (but not perfect) way of getting the game fairly and
honestly.
All the best from Robert.