What's happened to expansion packs ?
Trimble
succeeded by an add-on or follow up expansion pack...extra levels etc.
But they seem very rare now ...COD 4 (& COD2) ..CRYSIS ...the original
FARCRY was advertised for one & some release dates around but it never
happened.
Why the reluctance ??
It must be a good straight forward way to make money ...the Game engine is
there ..most of the publicity is done on the original release ..
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Tim O
wrote:
A full game used to be 15+ hours of play, an expansion pack usually
less than 10. What happened is that full games became expansion pack
length. Would you buy a 3 hour expansion pack?
Sleepy
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already have - its called Half-Life 2 Episode 1
Werner Spahl
>> A full game used to be 15+ hours of play, an expansion pack usually
>> less than 10. What happened is that full games became expansion pack
>> length. Would you buy a 3 hour expansion pack?
>
> already have - its called Half-Life 2 Episode 1
Yeah, you took the words right out of my mouth. They just call expansion
packs episodes now and sell them full price by including other stuff...
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Shawk
> On Thu, 8 May 2008, Sleepy wrote:
>
>>> A full game used to be 15+ hours of play, an expansion pack usually
>>> less than 10. What happened is that full games became expansion pack
>>> length. Would you buy a 3 hour expansion pack?
>>
>> already have - its called Half-Life 2 Episode 1
>
> Yeah, you took the words right out of my mouth. They just call expansion
> packs episodes now and sell them full price by including other stuff...
>
If it includes 'other stuff' (I guess you mean games) then how can you
say that one game is full price?
noman
<sp...@cup.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:
>On Thu, 8 May 2008, Sleepy wrote:
>
>>> A full game used to be 15+ hours of play, an expansion pack usually
>>> less than 10. What happened is that full games became expansion pack
>>> length. Would you buy a 3 hour expansion pack?
>>
>> already have - its called Half-Life 2 Episode 1
>
>Yeah, you took the words right out of my mouth. They just call expansion
>packs episodes now and sell them full price by including other stuff...
Inclusion of other stuff, changes the product. Valve didn't sell
Episode2 for full price.
In fact, they are now selling Episode2 separately and someone who
didn't have any interest in TeamFortress2 or Portal could have waited
until now.
Valve definitely had profit margins in mind when they released Orange
Box first, instead of its components, and if it works then all the
more power to them. By the way, Orange Box is one of the only few
multi-platform games that sold a few million copies with majority of
sales coming from the PC front.
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Werner Spahl
>> Yeah, you took the words right out of my mouth. They just call
>> expansion packs episodes now and sell them full price by including
>> other stuff...
>
> If it includes 'other stuff' (I guess you mean games) then how can you say
> that one game is full price?
I think we had this discussion here already. Forcing a MP only game on top
of a SP expansion pack to raise the price is a joke for people that don't
play MP games, like myself. Although this is finally no issue anymore
because the Orange Box compounds are available seperately, I bet quite a
few players couldn't wait and paid for something they would never play.
And I'm not starting on the topic of re-buying HL2 and EP1 either ;).
Shawk
> On Thu, 8 May 2008, Shawk wrote:
>
>>> Yeah, you took the words right out of my mouth. They just call
>>> expansion packs episodes now and sell them full price by including
>>> other stuff...
>>
>> If it includes 'other stuff' (I guess you mean games) then how can you
>> say that one game is full price?
>
> I think we had this discussion here already. Forcing a MP only game on
> top of a SP expansion pack to raise the price is a joke for people that
> don't play MP games, like myself. Although this is finally no issue
> anymore because the Orange Box compounds are available seperately, I bet
> quite a few players couldn't wait and paid for something they would
> never play. And I'm not starting on the topic of re-buying HL2 and EP1
> either ;).
Nope, you'll just keep bringing but calling the additional 5 games in
the box 'other stuff'.
Shawk
"bringing it up"
Werner Spahl
> Nope, you'll just keep bringing but calling the additional 5 games in
> the box 'other stuff'.
Portal was great, I agree, but TF2 was MP only WITHOUT even some bots for
SP gamers and who didn't play HL2 and EP1 already? I mean we are talking
about expansion packs here. Do you remember any expansion pack that forced
you to buy the game it was an expansion to all over again, with the only
excuse that you could give the second version away for free? I don't. If
there were indeed combinations of orginal game and expansion they normally
came out much later for players that indeed missed the first release. IIRC
EP2 was the first game the other way around for maximising profit reasons.
Tim O
<sp...@cup.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:
>Portal was great, I agree, but TF2 was MP only WITHOUT even some bots for
>SP gamers and who didn't play HL2 and EP1 already? I mean we are talking
>about expansion packs here. Do you remember any expansion pack that forced
>you to buy the game it was an expansion to all over again, with the only
>excuse that you could give the second version away for free? I don't. If
>there were indeed combinations of orginal game and expansion they normally
>came out much later for players that indeed missed the first release. IIRC
>EP2 was the first game the other way around for maximising profit reasons.
This is going off more into the realm of Valve's sketchy shovelware
practices rather than expansion packs. Even before STEAM they were
doing it. How many different bundles of Half Life were there?
I'm actually kind of in line with your opinion on the Orange Box... I
bought it for all the Portal hype, then didn't even wind up liking the
game. I've played about 10 minutes of TF2 and got bored with the ultra
linear HL Episode (not unexpected based on my boredom with HL2 and
Episode 1, but I had to try).
What ended up being the bundle deal of the year for a lot of people
ended up as my worst purchas of the year... Three games I don't play
and two more I already had for 50 bucks. LOL
Andrew
wrote:
>What ended up being the bundle deal of the year for a lot of people
>ended up as my worst purchas of the year... Three games I don't play
>and two more I already had for 50 bucks. LOL
I was a bit "meh" with most of the Orange Box, but Portal made it all
worthwhile.
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Shawk
That opinion I can live with. If someone's tried a game and didn't like
it I respect that. And if they normally like the same kinds of games I
like then I'll sit up a bit and listen more closely - it may colour my
thoughts on whether or not to buy the game. Not recognising that it
'was' game bundle of the year for lots of folk is arrogant at least IMO.
I loved all three games plus my daughter loved the gift of the two
others. At the same price for all 5 as I paid for COD4 I truly believe
I had a bargain. Whether or not each one was long enough then I'd say
no. But it was certainly at least twice as long as the 3hrs Werner was
alluding to.
Stone Monkey
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YOU ARE ALL SLAVES TO STEAM and are all YOU especially SHARK you steam
lover, you should all be buying games at full price and multiple copies
of them when they don't have copy protection and not just photshopping
pictures of empty boxes :-P
HEHE apologies i just thought this thread needed some nostalgia
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Shawk
as long as the 3hrs
>> Werner was alluding to.
>
> YOU ARE ALL SLAVES TO STEAM and are all YOU especially SHARK you steam
> lover, you should all be buying games at full price and multiple copies
> of them when they don't have copy protection and not just photshopping
> pictures of empty boxes :-P
>
> HEHE apologies i just thought this thread needed some nostalgia
Strange but there are times when almost I miss the comedy of his rants
"so you pirate cause i'm against it?
btw i also think murder is wrong so would you murder anyone only to
provoke me?
its unbelievable the importance people give me i'm simply one more pc
gamer among many, nothing more
each one of us in this group is nothing compared to pc games but even so
you do things cause of me and not cause of what we are all here for
which is pc games with this you are saying i am more important to you
than pc game overall so truly am i more important to you than pc games?
these steam lovers are really weird and can we only blame steam for this
weird behavior?"
Steam was certainly the cause of his wierd behaviour :-)
Stone Monkey
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I know what you mean, most of the trolls we get now are pretty lame, i
think johns has gotten bored now and is gradually fading away but again he
was nothing compared to the lunacy of difool, or whatever he called himself
in the end, anyone know if his yahoo group is still running and ranting
away on there?
Shawk
I remember it had one member... him.
Still believe he was a very good sock. But then.. half this group are
very good socks. ;-)
Stone Monkey
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lol I know I am :-P
yeah I have my suspicians about who created him and they're still about
so there is still time for him to resurface
Tim
IKEA is offering an 'expansion pack' for the Sims game. Advertising to the
max. I know they alread advertise in football sims and racing games, but
this is a deliberate move into the gaming space. Second Life does similar.
http://tech.uk.msn.com/news/article.aspx?cp-documentid=8309086
"riku" <ri...@none.invalid.com> wrote in message
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> Furthermore, the publishers overused expansion packs as a way to sell
> the same game several times for the same gamers. First release the
> base game, then an expansion pack, then a platinum edition with both,
> then another expansion pack, then another GOTY-version with base game
> and the second expansion pack, then another version with all three
> etc.
>
> Someone who has bought the base game and missed the first expansion
> pack when it was released may have to re-buy the base game if he wants
> to try the first or both expansion packs, because the separate
> expansion packs disappear from the shelves quite fast.
>
> Most expansion packs were useless fluff anyway, only rarely we saw
> great expansion packs like Starcraft: Brood Wars or Diablo 2: LOD
> which really added to the game and/or continued the story in a
> believable way.
>
>