We desperately need to replace Windows in PC Games
pc games
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyid=2006-10-05T071738Z_01_N05310829_RTRUKOC_0_US-MICROSOFT-PIRACY.xml
http://news.com.com/Microsoft+to+lock+pirates+out+of+Vista+PCs/2100-7355_3-6122462.html?part=rss&tag=6122462&subj=news
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061004-7898.html
We desperately need to replace Windows in PC Games.
Just look at what MS has planned for the upcoming new Windows
version Vista, its total and utterly HUMILIATION for PC users
More and more intrusive, more and more agressive and they are
only in the beginning, and for sure they will not stop.
This is what we must all realize.
MS will not stop and they will go further and further
They have MONOPOLY, they can do whatever they want!
We are totally "F"ed, totally!
There is no other way out... we must replace the OS used in
PC Games.
We must replace Windows as the OS choice for PC Games.
And Linux is the obvious choice.
Mac is not cause Apple is as proprietary and monopolistic as
MS, so Linux is the only way out.
Linux is the only way out for us in PC Games!
Only Linux can "save" us.
The Linux community has done so many things for other areas,
why can't they now focus on Games and truly become our savior?
Please Linux help us!
Andrew McGee
"pc games" <pcgame...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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why is this 'unbelievable'?
All it says is that it will be more difficult to get away with using pirated
copies of the system
But why should anyone be able to get away with this?
And why is it bad new for PC Gamers?
As long as you use a genuine copy of Vista, you should have no problem.
It looks to me as if this piece is written by someone who is just trying to
hype linux.
Roy Schestowitz
...Sorry to feed a heavility-crossposted item, but I ought to point out that
Microsoft has /already/ made a move toward immobilising game makers. They
discourage the use of OpenGL and wish that developers use proprietary
DirectX instead.
Please sign the petition.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/openglvista
,----[ Quote ]
| In the current implementation (as of 2005-09-22) of the OpenGL
| graphics library in Windows Vista - a soon to be released new version
| of the Microsoft Windows operating system, OpenGL is not a stand alone
| library. Instead it functions as a wrapper around DirectX, and is frozen
| to the vanilla version of OpenGL 1.4.
|
| This means that OpenGL applications in Windows Vista will, most
| likely, suffer from severe performance loss, that, when an OpenGL driver
| is loaded, the Windows operating system will have odd behaviours and
| that future versions of OpenGL will not affect the Windows Vista
| platform. This would result in less developers actively supporting
| OpenGL, and as a result, less applications written which are easy to
| port to another platform or easy to maintain.
`----
More recent:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=25215
Microsoft weakens OpenGL
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/06/177251
Windows Vista May Degrade OpenGL
Sadly, none of this is illegal (alebeit it's anti-competitive). The best
answer may be the boycott the beast and pray that the EU/US will finally
take antitrust measures seriously. There are perils in the way though
(lobbying).
EU official joins consultancy serving Microsoft
,----[ Quote ]
| A European Commission official originally chosen to lead its antitrust
| case against Microsoft left on Friday last week to work for a
| consultancy that has the software firm as a client, a spokesman said.
`----
http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=CN&storyID=2006-10-03T134311Z_01_L03693228_RTRIDST_0_TECH-MICROSOFT-OFFICIAL.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna
http://tinyurl.com/h47g3
US ambassador to the EU was former Microsoft lobbyist
,----[ Quote ]
| Before C. Boyden Gray was named as George Bush's number one person in
| Europe, he was a lawyer lobbying on behalf of Microsoft.
`----
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34706
US politicians go to bat for Microsoft
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/26/microsoft_eu_political_lobbying/
Changing the Report, After the Vote
,----[ Quote ]
| That agreement was nearly imperiled last weekend, though. Gerri
| Elliott, corporate vice president at Microsoft's Worldwide Public
| Sector division, sent an e-mail message to fellow commissioners Friday
| evening saying that she "vigorously" objected to a paragraph in which
| the panel embraced and encouraged the development of open source software
| and open content projects in higher education. The paragraph read like
| this:
|
| "The commission encourages the creation of incentives to promote
| the development of open-source and open-content projects at universities
| and colleges across the United States, enabling the open sharing of
| educational materials from a variety of institutions, disciplines, and
| educational perspectives. Such a portal could stimulate innovation, and
| serve as the leading resource for teaching and learning. New initiatives
| such as OpenCourseWare, the Open Learning Initiative, the Sakai Project,
| and the Google Book project hold out the potential of providing universal
| access both to general knowledge and to higher education."
`----
http://insidehighered.com/news/2006/09/01/commission
Feds seek formal extension of Microsoft antitrust deal
,----[ Quote ]
| The U.S. Department of Justice and Microsoft on Wednesday filed a
| formal application for a two-year extension of portions of their
| landmark antitrust settlement, with the possibility of stretching it
| until 2012.
`----
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6111240.html
Best wishes,
Roy
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JPB
That's not all it says - it's nasty stuff, and what it means is that Windows
Vista will come with a remote kill switch called the "Software Protection
Platform", it will continuously check whether it thinks your installation
is valid or not, and if it determines you to be a "pirate" then it will
automatically throw you into "reduced functionality mode". There and then,
with no appeal or argument, whatever you were actually doing and whether or
not a court in your jurisdiction would agree. Expect lawsuits when this
happens! but that's not the thing, is it?
Exactly how intrusive and reduced functionality will be if your system has
previously been activated isn't totally clear, but in any case that almost
doesn't matter, once you accept the idea that there's a built-in remote
kill capability, then Microsoft can turn the screws a bit further whenever
they like.
For the OP and gamers in general, I don't have too much sympathy - it's not
as though you couldn't see this coming, and is a big reason for people to
switch to Free/Libre software such as Linux - who wants a software system
that comes from the vendor with a remote kill switch in their hands?
If you want the gaming support, the thing is to switch to Linux anyway, and
the game companies will follow you in due course. In the meantime, there
are already at least some great games for Linux, and what at least some
people do for the moment is to turn to consoles for other commercial games,
keeping the PC for Linux, internet/office use, and so on. Not a bad policy
either, no doubt some will still do that however many games are available
for Linux in future.
--
JPB
Thomas Jespersen
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061004-7898.html
Um, I only read this article, and all it said was something about a new
anti-piracy scheme. What's the big deal?
--
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F r e e
im having great fun with Vista RC1 and games are running!
WTF is your point anyway?
I like you but this time i don't think your proposals are realistic...
f r e e
mma...@my-deja.com
> Um, I only read this article, and all it said was something about a new
> anti-piracy scheme. What's the big deal?
The big deal is that Microsoft will be 'judge, jury and executioner'.
If they decide your copy of Windows may be pirated, they'll be able to
shut it down, even though it's a perfectly legitimate copy that you've
paid for.
Why would any self-respecting person buy a product from a company who
reserves the right to shut it down at any time if they think you might
be a criminal? I pay for my software, and I do not like companies
treating me like a crook... I'm thinking very, very seriously of
abandoning PCs for Macs when I next upgrade, largely because of all
this anti-user crap that Microsoft are stuffing into Vista.
Fortunately it will probably be chucked out the first time it shuts
down a legitimate company network, costing them untold millions of
dollars in the process... or, worse, someone dies because a Vista PC in
a hospital is shut down. One huge lawsuit should be enough to put an
end to this crap.
It's also worth noting that it's probably illegal in many countries,
and it should be an utter killer to any thought of foreign governments
of clue buying Vista. Annoy the Americans and they can remotely shut
down all your computers: yeah, brilliant idea.
Mark
FoolsGold
> im going to buy Vista on day 1
I'm not a Linux zealot at all, but this is what I'd call having a
"sheep's attitude." You aren't a sheep are you? :)
Put perhaps in a less... offensive way, do you consider it wise to
upgrade immediately upon release? It may turn out to be a fine operating
system and all, but currently I find XP to perfectly suited for my
needs. Wouldn't it be wise to wait a bit, make sure there aren't any
niggles that have to be worked out? It's not my position to tell people
what to do of course (I leave that up to "pc gamer"), just a thought.
Garrot
> The Linux community has done so many things for other areas,
> why can't they now focus on Games and truly become our savior?
> Please Linux help us!
Well, you've finally said something I agree with. Down with Microsoft. I'm
sick of them.
HockeyTownUSA
"FoolsGold" <f...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't plan on upgrading for some time until I need to. And by need, I
actually am referring to gaming. Once DirectX 10 games are out and take
definite advantage of Dx10, then I'll go that route. I have four total PC's
in my household, and only one, my gaming PC, will go with Vista. The rest
will stick with XP because they are used mainly for office apps and
multimedia.
Adam Russell
"JPB" <ne...@europa.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:eg7tm7$r5h$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk...
Thats not what it says though.
"Should a license key be deemed illegitimate, the user will be given another
30-day grace period to acquire a legitimate license key, Microsoft said"
It will not go reduced functionality "There and then" as you claim. I think
it is a reasonable response to the pirated software problem.
Xocyll
porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
My point of concern isn't Microsoft turning the screws, it's the fact
that Microsoft has a history of bad, bug ridden, full of security holes
programming.
No doubt the EULA will contain some "we're not responsible for bugs etc"
clause for when the SPP goes off due to a bug or the latest
virus/trojan/worm.
On the other hand, the pirate groups will probably crack the SPP, so
once again this will only cause inconveniences to the people who
actually bought the product.
Xocyll
--
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a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr
mma...@my-deja.com
> On the other hand, the pirate groups will probably crack the SPP, so
> once again this will only cause inconveniences to the people who
> actually bought the product.
Absolutely. As with most copy protection on games, the only people
who'll have problems are the ones who actually paid to buy the games...
otherwise it only takes one pirate to crack the protection and any
number can download it for free. Software, music and movies seem to be
the only industries where companies believe that they should punish
their customers.
It's also worth noting that one reason why Microsoft took over most of
the software market is that their software was so easily copied in the
past. If they're actually successful at preventing people from making
illegal copies, they're at least as likely to look at alternatives as
hand over $500 to Microsoft.
Mark
jeffc
<mma...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1160227658.4...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Thomas Jespersen wrote:
>> Um, I only read this article, and all it said was something about a new
>> anti-piracy scheme. What's the big deal?
>
> The big deal is that Microsoft will be 'judge, jury and executioner'.
> If they decide your copy of Windows may be pirated, they'll be able to
> shut it down, even though it's a perfectly legitimate copy that you've
> paid for.
>
> Why would any self-respecting person buy a product from a company who
> reserves the right to shut it down at any time if they think you might
> be a criminal? I pay for my software, and I do not like companies
> treating me like a crook...
Who says you're going to be treated like a crook?
> I'm thinking very, very seriously of
> abandoning PCs for Macs when I next upgrade, largely because of all
> this anti-user crap that Microsoft are stuffing into Vista.
Why are you still thinking about it? Just do it.
arachnid
> Thats not what it says though.
> "Should a license key be deemed illegitimate, the user will be given another
> 30-day grace period to acquire a legitimate license key, Microsoft said"
> It will not go reduced functionality "There and then" as you claim. I think
> it is a reasonable response to the pirated software problem.
Some would also say it's "reasonable" to pay $200 for a piece of software
and still not own it.
Alan Bernardo
suppositions and then never returns to argue his point, after others have
made counter arguments.
In basic terms, this guy is a troll.
Alanb
Shawk
> They have MONOPOLY, they can do whatever they want!
Correct. I use Linux (Ubuntu) but Windows is the only existing OS for
the majority of current games (posting from csipga). If MS want to
protect their investment in this way then there is sod all you can do
about it.
Nothing to stop you trying though...
Why don't you start your campaign in the MS newsgroups and see what sort
of support you get there. Seriously - I'd be interested in what
reaction you get... is this a step too far or will it be accepted by the
windows-lovers?
Personally I believe (like others) that it will not stop piracy but just
inconvenience a number of genuine users who will be wrongly pegged as
pirates by a buggy WGA program...
Shawk
In csipga he's our court jester. Often amusing (unintentionally),
occasionally annoying, sometimes insulting but never dull.
John A. Bailo
> Have you already read this UNBELIEVABLE news about MS plans?
No, I would never know about such irrelevant things unless you constantly
trolled about them here.
I use Suse Linux 10.1 happily and would rather hear more about how great
Suse is than how awful DOS based software is.
--
Texeme Construct
Tim O
wrote:
>Have you already read this UNBELIEVABLE news about MS plans?
Did your old argument finally run out of STEAM?
ba-dump ching.
Johnny Bravo
>That's not all it says - it's nasty stuff, and what it means is that Windows
>Vista will come with a remote kill switch called the "Software Protection
>Platform", it will continuously check whether it thinks your installation
>is valid or not, and if it determines you to be a "pirate" then it will
>automatically throw you into "reduced functionality mode". There and then,
>with no appeal or argument, whatever you were actually doing and whether or
>not a court in your jurisdiction would agree. Expect lawsuits when this
>happens! but that's not the thing, is it?
Don't like it, don't use it.
Isn't freedom a wonderful thing?
I wouldn't care if Vista burst your computer into flames if it thought it was
a Pirate copy. Anyone stupid enough to run that on their computer deserves
anything that happens to them.
Johnny Bravo
Those people are free to use another OS or write one themselves.
JPB
>
> "JPB" <ne...@europa.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:eg7tm7$r5h$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Andrew McGee wrote:
>>
<snip>
>>> why is this 'unbelievable'?
>>>
>>> All it says is that it will be more difficult to get away with using
>>> pirated copies of the system
>>>
>>> But why should anyone be able to get away with this?
>>>
>>
>> That's not all it says - it's nasty stuff, and what it means is that
>> Windows
>> Vista will come with a remote kill switch called the "Software Protection
>> Platform", it will continuously check whether it thinks your installation
>> is valid or not, and if it determines you to be a "pirate" then it will
>> automatically throw you into "reduced functionality mode". There and
>> then, with no appeal or argument, whatever you were actually doing and
>> whether or
>> not a court in your jurisdiction would agree.
>
> Thats not what it says though.
> "Should a license key be deemed illegitimate, the user will be given
> another 30-day grace period to acquire a legitimate license key, Microsoft
> said"
> It will not go reduced functionality "There and then" as you claim. I
> think it is a reasonable response to the pirated software problem.
As far as I can tell, the "grace period" itself is immediately a reduced
functionality mode to some degree, the only thing that's not entirely clear
is quite how much will be shut off and how fast. And that can be changed at
any point, unilaterally and remotely, by Microsoft.
Fortunately I won't be experiencing this, as the last MS software I use is
W2K, and that only rarely. This sort of crap is the single biggest reason
why not. With Free/Libre software there ISN'T ANY "pirated software
problem" to be responded to, and certainly not by treating your customers
as an enemy.
--
JPB
Reece Hasson
I just went from Windows 2000 Professional to XP to play all my old
favorite 98 games and to be able to upgrade to Vista. Vista might not
support many 98 games. Eventually Windows 98 and XP may be executed from
a Linux Window freeing many of us from going to Vista and beyond.
Imagine if some one creates a virus program that makes our Vista
operating system appear as a copy?
Adam Russell
During the grace period there will be no reduction in functionality. That
happens after the grace period. You have 30 days to make things right and
if you ignore warnings for 30 days it does not shut off, but simply reduces
functionality.
Shawk
Talking to hackers but not really listening?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/5413792.stm
Vince
> Adam Russell wrote:
You get a license, not ownership.
flatfish+++
We have 3 of them like that in comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Mark Kent
William "Empty Suit" Poaster.
Roy "The professional SPAMMER" Schestowich.
It's literally a 3 ring circus over here.
Vince
> That's not all it says - it's nasty stuff, and what it means is that
> Windows
> Vista will come with a remote kill switch called the "Software Protection
> Platform", it will continuously check whether it thinks your installation
> is valid or not, and if it determines you to be a "pirate" then it will
> automatically throw you into "reduced functionality mode". There and then,
> with no appeal or argument, whatever you were actually doing and whether
> or
> not a court in your jurisdiction would agree. Expect lawsuits when this
> happens! but that's not the thing, is it?
As you correctly point out - if Microsoft get it wrong they will be sued
immediately, especially by companies who will claim loss of earnings, and
nothing in their EULA will make any difference.
Vince
> Fortunately it will probably be chucked out the first time it shuts
> down a legitimate company network, costing them untold millions of
> dollars in the process... or, worse, someone dies because a Vista PC in
> a hospital is shut down.
That's right - because life support machines always use the most up-to-date
version of Windows.
Vince
Sheep are creatures who are easily scared.
Are you sure you aren't one?
High Plains Thumper
> "pc games" wrote...
<SNIP>
>> There is no other way out... we must replace the OS used
>> in PC Games.
>> We must replace Windows as the OS choice for PC Games.
>> And Linux is the obvious choice.
>> Mac is not cause Apple is as proprietary and monopolistic
>> as MS, so Linux is the only way out.
>> Linux is the only way out for us in PC Games!
>> Only Linux can "save" us.
>> The Linux community has done so many things for other
>> areas, why can't they now focus on Games and truly become
>> our savior? Please Linux help us!
<SNIP>
> It looks to me as if this piece is written by someone who
> is just trying to hype linux.
This was crossposted to comp.os.linux.advocacy
c.o.l.a. is a Linux advocacy newsgroup. Per
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
Paragraph 1.4 states, "The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy
is: For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other
operating systems."
Therefore, "hype" is appropriate.
Also, anyone who has ever played PC Windows games that have
been rewritten for Linux find that game play is smooth, fluid,
without crashes or having to reboot to restore operating
system environment.
One game in particular that I reboot after playing in XP is
Command and Conqueror Generals. Otherwise applications after
play become unreliable.
--
HPT
JLC
"pc games" <pcgame...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Go back to your crack pipe you paranoid SOB.
James Gassaway
> and it should be an utter killer to any thought of foreign governments
> of clue buying Vista. Annoy the Americans and they can remotely shut
> down all your computers: yeah, brilliant idea.
>
That could help explain why the court decision to breakup Microsoft was set
aside.
--
"I reject your reality and substitute my own."
"Now, quack, damn you!"
Knight37
> Why would any self-respecting person buy a product from a company who
> reserves the right to shut it down at any time if they think you might
> be a criminal?
How about a car? A lot of cars have kill switches and will not start if
you do not prove you're the owner with an electronic key of some kind.
--
Knight37 - http://knightgames.blogspot.com
Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer.
John Lewis
wrote:
>On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:04:27 -0700, Adam Russell wrote:
Software EULAs almost invariably give you the Right to Use, not the
Right to Own.
But, I know that what you really mean is the authentication umbilical
cord. Don't forget that Steam (and likely future clone) is a far more
aggresive authentication scheme than the M$$ one. With Steam you are
not even allowed to legally trade/gift/donate/ your software to
anybody else and Steam has a few built-in attributes to help prevent
such activity. Should Valve ever detect such trade, they reserve the
right in the Steam EULA to immediately shut down the associated Steam
account, rendering all the associated software useless. With Windows
activation there is no tracking of the actual owner, just the machine
on which it is run. Transfer of a single-user license to another
machine is a simple on-line exercise or phone-call, invalidating the
use on the original machine, of course. So no problem
selling/donating/gifting Windows software. I suggest that we direct
our attention in a far more focussed way to Steam-style authentication
schemes and stop bashing Microsoft so much. Your freedom to use and
dispose as you wish of any legally purchased software using
Steam-style authentication is severly compromised -- the attempt being
to kill the used-maket in software and maximize the profit for the
developers and publishers. Steam is a fairly-effective DRM technology
for software. Now, where have I heard that particular 3-note tune
before? -- from the tune providers, the MPAA and RIAA of course
John Lewis
JPB
<snip>
>>
>> As far as I can tell, the "grace period" itself is immediately a reduced
>> functionality mode to some degree, the only thing that's not entirely
>> clear
>> is quite how much will be shut off and how fast.
>
> During the grace period there will be no reduction in functionality.
Apparently there will be. Being accused of theft and threatened with a
deadline is itself a reduction of functionality, and from what's been
described (and also if it's similar to WGA) then at least some of the new
Vista features may immediately be turned off, as well as updates
restricted. It's a little difficult to tell at this point; however, the
fact it's being done AT ALL is enough, because Microsoft can always up the
ratchet to whatever they think they can get away with whenever it suits
this them.
> That
> happens after the grace period. You have 30 days to make things right and
> if you ignore warnings for 30 days it does not shut off, but simply
> reduces functionality.
You're assuming that there is anything to make right. It is not for
Microsoft to decide that unilaterally and remotely, and make threats about
it. "Nice computer you've got there... be a shame if anything ...
_happened_ ... to it, in 30 days time...". Sadly the Microsofts of the
world, like Sony with their music-CD rootkit, don't seem to end up facing
criminal prosecution under laws like the UK Computer Misuse Act, whatever
they do to their customers/victims. That's all this boils down to,
extortion and demanding money with menaces, pure and simple.
It is naive to think there won't be people confused and frightened by the
horrible warnings, who end up paying *again* when they're already entitled
to use the software, whatever "Software Platform Protection" says about it.
Hell, there will be people who will swallow payment simply to get rid of the
threat - have you _never_ paid something over again rather than go through
trying to fight and win against "Customer Services"? Most people have done
this at one time or another, for something at least. Often one might
subsquently seek an alternative, and never deal with that vendor again,
after such an experience, but when you're on the spot getting through it
one way or another may be the primary concern.
--
JPB
HockeyTownUSA
"Knight37" <knig...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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But that's the car owner's decision, not the car manufacturer.
Andrew
<jesperse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Um, I only read this article, and all it said was something about a new
>anti-piracy scheme. What's the big deal?
The OP is a self confessed pirate, so that is why he has his panties
in a bunch.
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Erik Funkenbusch
>>Some would also say it's "reasonable" to pay $200 for a piece of software
>>and still not own it.
>
> Software EULAs almost invariably give you the Right to Use, not the
> Right to Own.
Actually, Copyright law gives you the right to use, not the right to own.
EULA's just spell it out, and make it clear that they are not even implying
a right to own.
If you owned it, you could copy and distribute it without restriction,
something copyright law doesn't allow unless explicit permission (or in
certain cases, implicit permission) is granted.
ed
> Have you already read this UNBELIEVABLE news about MS plans?
> http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyid=2006-10-05T071738Z_01_N05310829_RTRUKOC_0_US-MICROSOFT-PIRACY.xml
> http://news.com.com/Microsoft+to+lock+pirates+out+of+Vista+PCs/2100-7355_3-6122462.html?part=rss&tag=6122462&subj=news
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061004-7898.html
>
> We desperately need to replace Windows in PC Games.
> Just look at what MS has planned for the upcoming new Windows
> version Vista, its total and utterly HUMILIATION for PC users
> More and more intrusive, more and more agressive and they are
> only in the beginning, and for sure they will not stop.
> This is what we must all realize.
> MS will not stop and they will go further and further
> They have MONOPOLY, they can do whatever they want!
> We are totally "F"ed, totally!
> There is no other way out... we must replace the OS used in
> PC Games.
> We must replace Windows as the OS choice for PC Games.
> And Linux is the obvious choice.
> Mac is not cause Apple is as proprietary and monopolistic as
> MS, so Linux is the only way out.
> Linux is the only way out for us in PC Games!
> Only Linux can "save" us.
> The Linux community has done so many things for other areas,
> why can't they now focus on Games and truly become our savior?
> Please Linux help us!
We have better things to do than write games. Most of us just want to
use it as a programmers tool.
if you want to just play games there's plently of life left in Unreal
and Quake.
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The movie "Battle Royal" is based on picnics Chuck Norris went to in
fourth grade
Z 1 Y 0 N 3 X
as you get a genuine copy of it you will be fine, as for you cheap
asses, yeah go download a linux.
ed
1) http://home.nyc.rr.com/computertaijutsu/linfaq.html#netiquette
2) there's nothing really that cheap about it. we just dont have the
money or the time for windows.
if all you want is something for games then why not look at a gaming
devoted system, such as ps2/3, or xbox of some kind (if you can afford
the electricity for it).
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force.
Alfredo Tutino
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And even if I'm the owner only of the right to use a piece of software (and
not of the software itself), still nobody is entitled to take this right
away from me, unless they challenge my ownership in court (and win the
case). If the owners of the software put unilateral limitations on the
rights they have sold me, they are, quite plainly, thieves.
Alfredo
arachnid
> On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 09:53:41 GMT, John Lewis wrote:
>
>>>Some would also say it's "reasonable" to pay $200 for a piece of
>>>software and still not own it.
>>
>> Software EULAs almost invariably give you the Right to Use, not the
>> Right to Own.
>
> Actually, Copyright law gives you the right to use, not the right to
> own.
There are legal definitions of ownership, and then there's a general
concept that consumers have of what they're getting - or should be
getting - when they go to the store, select a product, and hand over their
hard-earned cash.
>EULA's just spell it out, and make it clear that they are not even
>implying a right to own.
I've never heard anybody to say they're going to the store to buy a EULA.
arachnid
> On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:37:04 -0500, arachnid <no...@goawayspammers.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:04:27 -0700, Adam Russell wrote:
>>
>>> Thats not what it says though.
>>> "Should a license key be deemed illegitimate, the user will be given
>>> another 30-day grace period to acquire a legitimate license key,
>>> Microsoft said" It will not go reduced functionality "There and then"
>>> as you claim. I think it is a reasonable response to the pirated
>>> software problem.
>>
>>Some would also say it's "reasonable" to pay $200 for a piece of
>>software and still not own it.
>>
>>
> Software EULAs almost invariably give you the Right to Use, not the
> Right to Own.
>
> But, I know that what you really mean is the authentication umbilical
> cord.
No, what I mean is that people don't go to the store to buy a EULA. They
go to the store to buy a program.
> Don't forget that Steam (and likely future clone) is a far more
> aggresive authentication scheme than the M$$ one. With Steam you are not
> even allowed to legally trade/gift/donate/ your software to anybody else
> and Steam has a few built-in attributes to help prevent such activity.
Never heard of Steam. But then I pretty much live in an open-source world.
The concept isn't surprising, though. The big thing in business now is to
take away ownership and replace it with subscription so you can milk the
consumer forever instead of only making a one-time sale.
> Should Valve ever detect such trade, they reserve the right in the Steam
> EULA to immediately shut down the associated Steam account, rendering
> all the associated software useless. With Windows activation there is no
> tracking of the actual owner, just the machine on which it is run.
That could be changing if rumors are true that only one Internet
activation will be allowed per registration number. It will be interesting
to see how that flies in Europe and states like California that have
strong privacy-protection laws.
> Transfer of a single-user license to another machine is a simple on-line
> exercise or phone-call, invalidating the use on the original machine, of
> course. So no problem selling/donating/gifting Windows software. I
> suggest that we direct our attention in a far more focussed way to
> Steam-style authentication schemes and stop bashing Microsoft so much.
> Your freedom to use and dispose as you wish of any legally purchased
> software using Steam-style authentication is severly compromised -- the
> attempt being to kill the used-maket in software and maximize the profit
> for the developers and publishers. Steam is a fairly-effective DRM
> technology for software. Now, where have I heard that particular 3-note
> tune before? -- from the tune providers, the MPAA and RIAA of course
It looks like Linux is about to get a whole lot more popular. :o)
Jim
ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy:
Can you play Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri on XPSP2 on a P4m 2.0*?
How about SU27 Squadron Commander's Edition?
Red Alert Classic?
NONE of them will play. Either the OS or the processor make a big wall that
the game engines slam into at a million miles an hour (the error message on
SMAC goes: "Your CPU isn't supported.").
So, time to dig out the ol' 1.0 PIIIm and use /that/ for gaming on WinME.
The P4 can do something useful. Like running Linux.
*incidentally, all the aforementioned /will/ play on XPSP2 on an AMD64
3200+!! But I'm not going there.
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pc games
> devoted system, such as ps2/3, or xbox of some kind (if you can afford
You weren't the only one with this reply but how can a Linux
user recommend consoles?
Please explain me this...
How can a Linux user recommend consoles?
Isn't it evident consoles represent the total OPPOSITE from
Linux?
I'm not a Linux user, but for me Linux is:
. Affordable
. Using open standards
. Plenty of choice
. Versatility
And isn't this precisely the OPPOSITE of consoles?
The total OPPOSITE!
So how come Linux users recommend me a console when you
defend Linux?
I'm sorry but it doesn't make any kind of sense
Consoles are:
. Expensive (software is almost 2x more than PC Games)
. Closed and Proprietary
. No choice
. Very limited versatility
I personally will never ever change to consoles.
I rather give up gaming all together
Now to end... I asked help from the Linux community to make
PC Games even better and make PC Games adopt Linux as the
OS of choice and the only reply you have for me is
"get a console"
I don't need to tell you all this is really very disappointing
MS is abusive
MS is proprietary
MS is lots of bad things but still PC Games based in windows
is much more "close" to Linux than any console, even if sony
uses some kind of variant in their own system.
For me it really sounds fake a Linux user being a consolist.
Its simply not consistent...
Other example is Linux users also being ipoders
FoolsGold
> How can a Linux user recommend consoles?
But what about if the console RUNS Linux? What then?
pc games
> But what about if the console RUNS Linux? What then?
So Linux users only support Linux cause its Linux and not
cause of what it gives?
I like Linux not cause it is "Linux" but rather cause it is
affordable, it uses open standards, it gives lots of choice
versatility and competition.
sonys consoles uses Linux but its expensive, its closed and
proprietary, gives less choice and is less versatile and is
a monopoly.
I'm not "fan" of Linux but rather a fan what Linux give me:
. Affordability
. Open Standards
. Choice
. Competition
If Linux ever stops being this I will stop being a fan.
Consoles even running Linux are nothing of this and don't
give me anything of this so I will never be a fan or a user.
Jim
comp.os.linux.advocacy:
>> if all you want is something for games then why not look at a gaming
>> devoted system, such as ps2/3, or xbox of some kind (if you can afford
>
> You weren't the only one with this reply but how can a Linux
> user recommend consoles?
>
Because consoles are built specifically for gaming. If all you want is a
gaming box then a desktop PC is going to be overkill.
> Please explain me this...
> How can a Linux user recommend consoles?
Because a desktop PC has its place, a console has its place, and a toaster
has its place.
> Isn't it evident consoles represent the total OPPOSITE from
> Linux?
No. Please point out the opposition for me?
> I'm not a Linux user, but for me Linux is:
> . Affordable
> . Using open standards
> . Plenty of choice
> . Versatility
>
> And isn't this precisely the OPPOSITE of consoles?
Point being?
> The total OPPOSITE!
> So how come Linux users recommend me a console when you
> defend Linux?
I'll do both: get a PS3.
> I'm sorry but it doesn't make any kind of sense
>
> Consoles are:
> . Expensive (software is almost 2x more than PC Games)
No they're not. My last console gaming purchase was two games for £10. Those
games were Phantom Crash and DOA3 for XBox. The console itself cost me £50
secondhand, came with four controllers and a little tinkering meant I could
install a 200GB hard drive and load it to the gills with console ROM
emulators. So now I have like, a dozen consoles in one box. From Atari 2600
right up to N64 and of course, the XBox/NT kernel.
> . Closed and Proprietary
Not with Sony's PS3 being Linux-based. There're also options to install and
run Linux on XBox, Saturn, Dreamcast, and N64.
> . No choice
Take your choice: XBox's x86 processor, N64's MIPS 64-bit processor,
Playstation's MIPS 32-bit processor, PS3's Cell processor, the list goes
on.
> . Very limited versatility
>
Linux on consoles anyone?
With Linux you can turn pretty much any console into a full fledged PC
platform. Some distributions allow you to build entire /clusters/ of XBoxes
and turn them into a relatively inexpensive render farm.
> I personally will never ever change to consoles.
Why not?
Here's a little home truth for you:
The XBox Classic is little more than an x86 PC with a custom BIOS and a
stripped down NT kernel.
Original specs:
733 Celeron
64MB RAM
8GB HDD
NVidia graphics (like, NO ATI!! Stick that where the sun doesn't shine,
whoever it was claimed that "serious" gamers don't use NVidia!)
> I rather give up gaming all together
>
Aaawww! Poor hard-done-to you!
> Now to end... I asked help from the Linux community to make
> PC Games even better and make PC Games adopt Linux as the
> OS of choice and the only reply you have for me is
> "get a console"
>
No need for /Linux/ to improve gaming. I say it's down to games developers
from the big publishers to DROP DirectX and use OpenGL. You know, like Sony
are doing.
> I don't need to tell you all this is really very disappointing
>
> MS is abusive
No argument there.
> MS is proprietary
Obviously.
But then so are Sony (think MagicGate, MD (ATRAC), NetMD...)
> MS is lots of bad things but still PC Games based in windows
> is much more "close" to Linux than any console, even if sony
> uses some kind of variant in their own system.
>
> For me it really sounds fake a Linux user being a consolist.
> Its simply not consistent...
Why not?
> Other example is Linux users also being ipoders
And just what's so /wrong/ with that??
It's not like we're crying out for a driver for the Zune... which I, for
one, am not. Hell, I don't even own an ipod. Got plenty Samsung mp3 players
tho.
Rob
wrote:
>pc games came up with this when s/he headbutted the keyboard a moment ago in
>comp.os.linux.advocacy:
>> Other example is Linux users also being ipoders
>
>And just what's so /wrong/ with that??
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Do what you like. Play the games that you like, on the platforms of
your choice. How they're delivered and on what they're played doesn't
matter one iota. It's all about the games and what they deliver for
you.
Fanboyish "loyalty" to a gaming platform, a hardware vendor or any of
the associated contributors to the world gaming is the sole bastion of
the "short bus squad".
Games are for fun, that's all that matters.
--
Rob
Tim O
wrote:
Could you extrapolate this fascinating data using other examples?
A bagle vs. bread would be a scintillating read. I mean, with bread
you can either make toast or a sandwich. A bagel is more filling than
toast, but I'm not sure if I want ham and cheese on a bagel. Then
there is the whole thing about needing a special toaster if you want
to toast it.
You could get a wheat bagel and get much more wheat than wheat toast,
but you can't buy a loaf of bagels!
I'm just tingling with anticipation about where a genius like you
could take this!
Jan Hyde
released on Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:18:32 +0100 bearing the
following fruit:
>
>"pc games" <pcgame...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1160212262....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Have you already read this UNBELIEVABLE news about MS plans?
>> http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyid=2006-10-05T071738Z_01_N05310829_RTRUKOC_0_US-MICROSOFT-PIRACY.xml
>> http://news.com.com/Microsoft+to+lock+pirates+out+of+Vista+PCs/2100-7355_3-6122462.html?part=rss&tag=6122462&subj=news
>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061004-7898.html
>>
>> We desperately need to replace Windows in PC Games.
>> Just look at what MS has planned for the upcoming new Windows
>> version Vista, its total and utterly HUMILIATION for PC users
>> More and more intrusive, more and more agressive and they are
>> only in the beginning, and for sure they will not stop.
>> This is what we must all realize.
>> MS will not stop and they will go further and further
>> They have MONOPOLY, they can do whatever they want!
>> We are totally "F"ed, totally!
>> There is no other way out... we must replace the OS used in
>> PC Games.
>> We must replace Windows as the OS choice for PC Games.
>> And Linux is the obvious choice.
>> Mac is not cause Apple is as proprietary and monopolistic as
>> MS, so Linux is the only way out.
>> Linux is the only way out for us in PC Games!
>> Only Linux can "save" us.
>> The Linux community has done so many things for other areas,
>> why can't they now focus on Games and truly become our savior?
>> Please Linux help us!
>
>
>why is this 'unbelievable'?
>
>All it says is that it will be more difficult to get away with using pirated
>copies of the system
>
>But why should anyone be able to get away with this?
>
>And why is it bad new for PC Gamers?
>
>As long as you use a genuine copy of Vista, you should have no problem.
>
>It looks to me as if this piece is written by someone who is just trying to
>hype linux.
>
Exactly my thought, besides the 30 day registration thing
isn't new to Vista, we already have it with XP and certain
MS products. Amazingly it hasn't killed PC games!!
Jan Hyde (VB MVP)
--
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Jan Hyde
released on Mon, 09 Oct 2006 02:47:45 GMT bearing the
following fruit:
>Reece Hasson came up with this when s/he headbutted the keyboard a moment
>ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy:
>
>> Garrot wrote:
>>> On 7 Oct 2006 02:11:03 -0700, pc games wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The Linux community has done so many things for other areas,
>>>> why can't they now focus on Games and truly become our savior?
>>>> Please Linux help us!
>>>
>>> Well, you've finally said something I agree with. Down with Microsoft.
>I'm
>>> sick of them.
>>
>> I just went from Windows 2000 Professional to XP to play all my old
>> favorite 98 games and to be able to upgrade to Vista. Vista might not
>> support many 98 games. Eventually Windows 98 and XP may be executed from
>> a Linux Window freeing many of us from going to Vista and beyond.
>> Imagine if some one creates a virus program that makes our Vista
>> operating system appear as a copy?
>
>Can you play Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri on XPSP2 on a P4m 2.0*?
>How about SU27 Squadron Commander's Edition?
>Red Alert Classic?
>
>NONE of them will play.
I've played Red Alert on XP, and I was playing SMAC last
night. (There was a tweak involved in getting it run which I
forget)
>Either the OS or the processor make a big wall that
>the game engines slam into at a million miles an hour (the error message on
>SMAC goes: "Your CPU isn't supported.").
Yep, that's the one, do a search on the net and it will tell
you how to fix it.
J
>So, time to dig out the ol' 1.0 PIIIm and use /that/ for gaming on WinME.
>The P4 can do something useful. Like running Linux.
>
>*incidentally, all the aforementioned /will/ play on XPSP2 on an AMD64
>3200+!! But I'm not going there.
Jan Hyde (VB MVP)
--
At the risk of repeating myself, I once again told that group of clone
scientists I would give them a sample of my DNA.
(Harrison Cockerill from Ruminations)
magnate
> >
> >> Why would any self-respecting person buy a product from a company who
> >> reserves the right to shut it down at any time if they think you might
> >> be a criminal?
> >
> > How about a car? A lot of cars have kill switches and will not start if
> > you do not prove you're the owner with an electronic key of some kind.
> >
Another great analogy from The Knight. I've driven many cars that
conked out while I was driving them, but none of them did so at the
behest of the manufacturer.
CC
magnate
> Xocyll wrote:
> > On the other hand, the pirate groups will probably crack the SPP, so
> > once again this will only cause inconveniences to the people who
> > actually bought the product.
>
> Absolutely. As with most copy protection on games, the only people
> who'll have problems are the ones who actually paid to buy the games...
> otherwise it only takes one pirate to crack the protection and any
> number can download it for free. Software, music and movies seem to be
> the only industries where companies believe that they should punish
> their customers.
Yup - and what do they have in common? They're all industries which
rely on continuing revenue from a piece of "intellectual property". An
idea (or set of ideas).
People's attitudes towards intellectual property are changing. Just as
the printing industry lost the battle to prevent people giving away or
selling on their used books, the three "content industries" listed
above are losing the battle to prevent people sharing movies, music and
software. Their punishment of customers is a late push in this battle,
but it will only make things worse.
CC
Adam Russell
"magnate" <chr...@dbass.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1160399240.8...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
There are some who are pushing for an off switch that police can use. The
way politics goes, I see this as inevitable eventually. It's the same
thing.
Alfredo Tutino
"Adam Russell" <adamr...@sbcglobal.net.invalid> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:4ov3drF...@individual.net...
it is a time-honoured question: "Quis custodiet custodes ipsos?"
Alfredo
The Ghost In The Machine
<adamr...@sbcglobal.net.invalid>
wrote
on Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:12:50 -0700
<4ov3drF...@individual.net>:
Already available in some models. It's primarily targeted for
carjacking and theft, though.
is a beacon/tracking system, not a cutout system, but
it's one of a few out there, and there is a patent --
#5811886 -- for an "apparatus for disabling operation of
a vehicle in the event of an attempted theft thereof".
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5811886.html
(Google's being slightly reticent again, but that's normal. :-) )
And of course remote keyless unlock/ignition systems have
been around since 1996, if not a lot earlier.
> The
> way politics goes, I see this as inevitable eventually. It's the same
> thing.
>
There is also a suggestion -- in the UK, anyway -- of putting a
satellite-controlled speed limiter on autos.
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scrap iron
software that is in use on around 85 to 90% of all PC's in their
country.
And the company is going bankrupt because of poor sales: due to piracy.
It's hard to innovate when you don't get paid for your work. It's good
for us of course because China can't get anything done and compete with
American companies, but it should show you what piracy ultimately leads
to. Countries that don't protect intellectual property rights don't
produce anything. People don't spend years and years developing things
so someone else can steal it. Sorry.
MSFT is clamping down, I agree. I attempted to reinstall Windows (my
own copy of XP Pro) on a new machine I'd assembled and it failed. The
key failed, and I had to call.
This is not the end of the world. You just have to pay for things now.
Use Linux if you have to I guess; most games are ported for it anyway.
ed
"pc games" <pcgame...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > if all you want is something for games then why not look at a gaming
> > devoted system, such as ps2/3, or xbox of some kind (if you can
> > afford
>
> You weren't the only one with this reply but how can a Linux
> user recommend consoles?
>
> Please explain me this...
> How can a Linux user recommend consoles?
Yes, that's why I'm telling you to use a console for games. Keep the
computer for *work*, that's what it's designed for, not for
entertainment, although some people have successfully created things
like MythTV and in house entertainment systems.
> Isn't it evident consoles represent the total OPPOSITE from
> Linux?
> I'm not a Linux user, but for me Linux is:
> . Affordable
> . Using open standards
> . Plenty of choice
> . Versatility
Exactly...
> And isn't this precisely the OPPOSITE of consoles?
> The total OPPOSITE!
> So how come Linux users recommend me a console when you
> defend Linux?
> I'm sorry but it doesn't make any kind of sense
>
> Consoles are:
> . Expensive (software is almost 2x more than PC Games)
Only if you want the very latest.. loads of psones are available for
next to nothing
> . Closed and Proprietary
> . No choice
> . Very limited versatility
>
> I personally will never ever change to consoles.
> I rather give up gaming all together
>
> Now to end... I asked help from the Linux community to make
> PC Games even better and make PC Games adopt Linux as the
> OS of choice and the only reply you have for me is
> "get a console"
>
> I don't need to tell you all this is really very disappointing
>
> MS is abusive
> MS is proprietary
> MS is lots of bad things but still PC Games based in windows
> is much more "close" to Linux than any console, even if sony
> uses some kind of variant in their own system.
>
> For me it really sounds fake a Linux user being a consolist.
> Its simply not consistent...
> Other example is Linux users also being ipoders
You cannot expect people to make a game from scratch, but some engines
are open, some doom/quake engines are available for customisation.
Many people do not see games as a way to get immortality, they're short
lived, so you will have to put down money, or find a crack team of
artists to do the 3d models, as programmers are not so afraid of doing
the engine, so we have plenty of programmers... just hardly any artists.
--
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proud c++ hacker
Circles exist because Vin Diesel beat the crap out of some squares.
Adam Russell
"Alfredo Tutino" <MI0...@mclink.it> wrote in message
news:egdlfh$2b7k$1...@newsreader2.mclink.it...
Well I guess the idea is that if you arent running from the police then they
wont use it. And better that they are able to stop the car than chase it
and maybe someone gets killed. I think what will happen is eventually all
cars will be sold with it as an option that the owner can *have* turned off,
and then later on when all cars have it there will be a law banning people
from turning it off. Of course in order to smooth the passage of that law
there will be a rash of reported carjackings and innocent deaths due to them
and maybe a few drug smugglers/terrorists thrown in. There will be a weak
debate, and then it will pass.
noman
<newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>...Sorry to feed a heavility-crossposted item, but I ought to point out that
>Microsoft has /already/ made a move toward immobilising game makers. They
>discourage the use of OpenGL and wish that developers use proprietary
>DirectX instead.
>
>Please sign the petition.
>
>http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/openglvista
[snip]
>More recent:
>
>http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=25215
>
> Microsoft weakens OpenGL
>
>
>http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/06/177251
>
> Windows Vista May Degrade OpenGL
>
The petition can be laid to rest. Your *recent* 2005 articles are a
bit out of date now.
Windows Vista will support openGl natively via ICD included in third
party vendor drivers.
noman
>Yes, that's why I'm telling you to use a console for games. Keep the
>computer for *work*, that's what it's designed for, not for
>entertainment, although some people have successfully created things
>like MythTV and in house entertainment systems.
Some people have also successfully created OS other than Linux, where
the computer can actually be used for entertainment. Although, this
has been the case in only the last 25 years or so. I understand if
someone missed this recent development.
--
Noman
JEDIDIAH
> On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:15:35 GMT, ed <e...@noreply.com> wrote:
>
>>Yes, that's why I'm telling you to use a console for games. Keep the
>>computer for *work*, that's what it's designed for, not for
>>entertainment, although some people have successfully created things
>>like MythTV and in house entertainment systems.
>
> Some people have also successfully created OS other than Linux, where
> the computer can actually be used for entertainment. Although, this
...which leads to nasty integration and support issues.
Will card A work suitably well with motherboard B, especially
at the demanding level that "entertainment" software tends to generate.
Will you need to install the drivers for peripheral X before peripheral
X is even plugged in for the first time or risk need to do some risky
BS to dis-entangle things.
> has been the case in only the last 25 years or so. I understand if
> someone missed this recent development.
We noticed. We just weren't that impressed.
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They brought us the email virus.
In my Atari days, such a notion would have |||
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ed
JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> On 2006-10-10, noman <no_...@zzzyahoo.yycom> wrote:
> > On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:15:35 GMT, ed <e...@noreply.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Yes, that's why I'm telling you to use a console for games. Keep the
> >>computer for *work*, that's what it's designed for, not for
> >>entertainment, although some people have successfully created things
> >>like MythTV and in house entertainment systems.
> >
> > Some people have also successfully created OS other than Linux,
> > where the computer can actually be used for entertainment. Although,
> > this
>
> ...which leads to nasty integration and support issues.
and licencing issues
> Will card A work suitably well with motherboard B, especially
> at the demanding level that "entertainment" software tends to
> generate. Will you need to install the drivers for peripheral X before
> peripheral X is even plugged in for the first time or risk need to do
> some risky BS to dis-entangle things.
not just this, but once that stuff has to be done, it's not
entertaining, especially if your only tools are notpad and paint. where
did all that fun go? and how does one fix things when the registry gets
buggered.
> > has been the case in only the last 25 years or so. I understand if
> > someone missed this recent development.
>
> We noticed. We just weren't that impressed.
well said ;)
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proud java hacker
When Chuck Norris snores, he is not "sawing logs," he is "decimating
thousands of acres of precious rainforest."
Tim Smith
> bit out of date now.
He knows this. He's been told several times.
Art Weingardner
>comp.os.linux.advocacy:
>
>>> if all you want is something for games then why not look at a gaming
>>> devoted system, such as ps2/3, or xbox of some kind (if you can afford
>>
>> You weren't the only one with this reply but how can a Linux
>> user recommend consoles?
>>
>
>Because consoles are built specifically for gaming. If all you want is a
>gaming box then a desktop PC is going to be overkill.
a desktop pc is cheaper than an xbox360. plus you already need a pc to
use the internet and lots of other uses. it's the console that is
overkill - buying an extra machine just for games when you already
have a multipurpose machine that can play games too..
Art Weingardner
>games were Phantom Crash and DOA3 for XBox. The console itself cost me Ł50
>secondhand, came with four controllers and a little tinkering meant I could
>install a 200GB hard drive and load it to the gills with console ROM
>emulators. So now I have like, a dozen consoles in one box. From Atari 2600
>right up to N64 and of course, the XBox/NT kernel.
my last 10 pc game purchases were US$10 or less and i didn't have to
buy any extra hardware to run them. in the US a budget PC title is $10
while a budget console title is $20. it's easier to upgrade a pc hard
drive than a console hard drive. and i have all the same emulator crap
too.
Johnny Bravo
>Well, that's the same thing, only much worse. I'll say it in Latin, because
>it is a time-honoured question: "Quis custodiet custodes ipsos?"
Who watches the watchmen?
If the public has any brains at all, they watch their watchers.
Sheep; well, sheep pretty get what they deserve.
Kevin O'Donovan
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
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> On 2006-10-10, noman <no_...@zzzyahoo.yycom> wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:15:35 GMT, ed <e...@noreply.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Yes, that's why I'm telling you to use a console for games. Keep the
>>>computer for *work*, that's what it's designed for, not for
>>>entertainment, although some people have successfully created things
>>>like MythTV and in house entertainment systems.
>>
>> Some people have also successfully created OS other than Linux, where
>> the computer can actually be used for entertainment. Although, this
>
> ...which leads to nasty integration and support issues.
>
> Will card A work suitably well with motherboard B, especially
> at the demanding level that "entertainment" software tends to generate.
> Will you need to install the drivers for peripheral X before peripheral
> X is even plugged in for the first time or risk need to do some risky
> BS to dis-entangle things.
>
>> has been the case in only the last 25 years or so. I understand if
>> someone missed this recent development.
>
> We noticed. We just weren't that impressed.
>
Damn, not another war about religion
Shawk
I doubt you'd get a desktop that can play the latest games at 360 visual
quality cheaper than a 360. I've never wanted a console personally but
friends love the way you stick a disc in and play in your lounge with no
worries about drivers etc. I can see their point. Don't want one but I
can see their point.
pc games
<snip>
I give up with the Linux community, its just a waste of
time...
I came where asking for help and what I got is "get a
console"
Ironically this is just the same reply I get from STEAM
LOVERs when I fight against STEAM and fight against a
STEAM CENTRIC monopolized PC Game market... "don't like
STEAM? get a console"
Disappointment after disappointment... but nothing will
make me change or will make me give up or will make me
stop trying to make PC Games better and better
You know one thing... its unbelievable that Linux is a PC
invention... YES Linux was made for the PC and yet its
other platforms like console that are using it for games
and taking advantage of all its power.
Linux was made for the PC, and the PC has great hardware
for gaming yet its consoles that use Linux as the OS of
choice for gaming and YOU say that this is the proper way
Oh man... I'm sorry I really give up on you guys
You know why MS is lucky?
Its me not winning the european lottery
You bet if I won some millions you would see a proper PC
Gaming platform running on Linux! and would crush any crap
console any day.
You don't know, you don't want, and you don't understand
what you have in hands
I really don't see any hope in the Linux community.
And for me the only way would be an OUTSIDER taking charge
of a strong Linux project to defeat MS.
Defeat MS is every field! INCLUDING GAMES!
And I leave you all with this...
Linux is a PC INVENTION!
Never forget that! NEVER!
FoolsGold
> Linux is a PC INVENTION!
> Never forget that! NEVER!
I honestly don't think Linus Torvalds gives a shit. It's an open system
after all; it can (and should) be used anywhere without limitations.
HockeyTownUSA
"Adam Russell" <adamr...@sbcglobal.net.invalid> wrote in message
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Like software pirating, it will keep casual thieves from a joyride, but
won't bother an actual thief.
adamr...@sbcglobal.net
That would be 99% of the thieves tho.