For those that can't stop from playing
pc games
protection systems
I do understand some will not have the guts to not play those high
profile games even if they oppose the aggressive copy-protection
system they use, cause not only will they be deprived of a big
pleasure but they will also be alienated by friends, cause if all the
friends are playing the game and he isn't, he will feel alone and I do
understand many fear that.
Its nothing to be afraid of admitting
So isn't there anything else we can do? isn't there anything else for
those that can't stop from playing and do oppose aggressive copy-
protection systems?
Yes there is!
So if you are against AGGRESSIVE copy-protection systems but you
simply can't stop from playing those games I have some recommendations
for you:
Like in life, there is not only Black or White, meaning you can still
cast your vote against aggressive copy-protection system and play the
games that use it.
First let me tell you, I totally oppose the use of PIRACY in this case
and the reason is very simple
Its precisely that things like Valve, Microsoft, Take2 want.
The excuse they use is PIRACY, and they desperately need that excuse,
now if you do it you are giving them that excuse and you are helping
them.
If you PIRATE you will lose any moral authority and not longer be able
to face them and fight against them.
So PIRACY would be the "easy" way but the WRONG one
So PIRACY should always be excluded... but you can do plenty...
First... never forget the objective is to make those using AGGRESSIVE
copy-protection getting less and less and less money
The less money they get the better!
1. Don't buy Full Price
I know it will be difficult, but try to postpone the buying of any
game with aggressive copy-protection system the most you can, cause
the more time passes the more the game will lower price and by paying
less you are giving them less money and that should always be the
objective, give less money to those that use AGGRESSIVE copy-
protection systems
2. Don't buy those special collectors editions
Collectors editions and special editions are just an excuse to ask
more money from the fans, and if the objective is try to give them the
less money possible, buying the more expensive collectors editions
should be avoided at all cost.
3. Play the game in your friends computer
If your friend has bought the game try to play the game in his
computer, cause naturally you will be very anxious to play the game so
this way you will not need to rush buying, so go to your friends house
and play the game in your friends computer at least this way you will
have some satisfaction for playing the game and that rush to buy it
will be gone, also try and play the most possible so you will diminish
the most possible your desire to buy it yourself
4. Borrow the game from your friends
Nobody in the world can forbid two persons from borrowing so even with
AGGRESSIVE copy-protection making it difficult, try to let your friend
borrow the game with aggressive copy-protection so you can play it in
your own computer and this way 2 will be able to play for the price of
one and again making those using aggressive copy-protection get less
and less money.
5. Use the Used 2nd hand market
This is just like the previous, using the Used 2nd hand market is a
legal right in many countries of the world and no one can forbid you
to use it, and its use is perfect for aggressive copy-protection
systems, yes I know its more difficult cause they do try to target
that, but at least try and use it cause with the Used 2nd hand market
no money will go to those that use AGGRESSIVE copy-protection systems
which is perfect so they are penalized, and btw use the Used 2nd hand
market for both buying and selling so this way you close the cycle.
At the end if you could be able to play the game that uses AGGRESSIVE
copy-protection system from a unit borrowed by a friend, that has
bought the game in the Used 2nd hand market and after him and you
finish the game, he sold it again in the used 2nd hand market, and the
money you get from it would go to buy a PC Game with no copy-
protection, that would be a perfect way to penalize those using
aggressive copy-protection systems!
Playing the game, penalizing those using aggressive copy-protection
and at the end giving the money to the Good guys the ones not using
copy-protection!
That is what I call a HAPPY ENDING!
So bottom line
Even for those that can't stop from playing a game that uses
AGGRESSIVE copy-protection they oppose, they still can play the game,
play it legally and at the same time PENALIZE those that are using
AGGRESSIVE copy-protection systems
So Penalizing and playing can be compatible
And penalizing doesn't necessary mean total boycott
So now its up to you to do what you feel its right
Never forget the power of your wallet can in fact influence the shape
of the PC Game market!
So please don't even underestimate the power of your wallet
Choose wisely to won do you give your own money!
Epi Watkins
pcgame...@yahoo.com says...
> For those that can't stop from playing and do oppose aggressive copy-
> protection systems
> I know it will be difficult, but try to postpone the buying of any
> game with aggressive copy-protection system the most you can, cause
> the more time passes the more the game will lower price and by paying
> less you are giving them less money and that should always be the
> objective, give less money to those that use AGGRESSIVE copy-
> protection systems
<snip>, <snip>
> Never forget the power of your wallet can in fact influence the shape
> of the PC Game market!
> So please don't even underestimate the power of your wallet
> Choose wisely to won do you give your own money!
You have so much energy. You ought to do something where you can make a
difference.
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If you don't agree with copy protection/activation schemes then just
don't use them (It's what I do) and STFU. PLEASE.
NO ONE GIVES A FLYING F*CK IF YOU DON'T LIKE COPY PROTECTION/
ACTIVATION.
The way it's always been and always will be is sheeple taking the easy
way out. You cannot change this nor should you try. Worry about
yourself and stop wasting your time trying to convert people to do
something they have no interest in doing.
Rob
I never cease to be amazed at the hypocrisy demonstrated by the OP.
Not so long ago in her opinion it was a cardinal sin to lend games or
use the second hand market.
Now she's advocating both of those things. And this coming after she
recently encouraged people to pirate a Microsoft OS too.
PC Kipper is indeed a fitting name.
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Mark Morrison
wrote:
>2. Don't buy those special collectors editions
>Collectors editions and special editions are just an excuse to ask
>more money from the fans, and if the objective is try to give them the
>less money possible, buying the more expensive collectors editions
>should be avoided at all cost.
By buying the special edition of Bioshock, I'm actually saving 1p.
Does this make me good, or bad ? Or do they cancel out ?
I'm confussed...
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Yep - what's the moral difference between playing on a friend's PC,
borrowing their copy, and just pirating it ?
Rob
wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:52:03 GMT, Rob
><noemail...@jsjsaiiowppw.com> wrote:
>
>>Not so long ago in her opinion it was a cardinal sin to lend games or
>>use the second hand market.
>>
>>Now she's advocating both of those things. And this coming after she
>>recently encouraged people to pirate a Microsoft OS too.
>>
>>PC Kipper is indeed a fitting name.
>
>Yep - what's the moral difference between playing on a friend's PC,
>borrowing their copy, and just pirating it ?
To rational people like us, there is no difference.
In PC Kippers twisted world of "flexible principles" her irrational
hatred of companies like Microsoft and Valve makes breaking her own
rules OK.
I absolutely guarantee that PC Kipper still uses pirated software and
will happily pirate games like BioShock and Half-Life 2 even if she
stops short of admitting so.
In her unbalanced mind she will be "getting back" at companies that do
things she doesn't agree with.
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Memnoch
>On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:21:17 -0700, pc games <pcgame...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>2. Don't buy those special collectors editions
>>Collectors editions and special editions are just an excuse to ask
>>more money from the fans, and if the objective is try to give them the
>>less money possible, buying the more expensive collectors editions
>>should be avoided at all cost.
>
>By buying the special edition of Bioshock, I'm actually saving 1p.
>
>Does this make me good, or bad ? Or do they cancel out ?
>
>I'm confussed...
I myself, to prove my loyalty to PC gaming, have bought 10 copies of the
special edition, thus saving myself a whole 10p. I intend to donate that 10p
to any charity supporting out of work games programmers from Portugal.
magnate
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:31:05 -1200, Mark Morrison <drdpik...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:52:03 GMT, Rob <noemailforme...@jsjsaiiowppw.com> wrote:
>
> >>Not so long ago in her opinion it was a cardinal sin to lend games or
> >>use the second hand market.
>
> >>Now she's advocating both of those things. And this coming after she
> >>recently encouraged people to pirate a Microsoft OS too.
>
> >>PC Kipper is indeed a fitting name.
>
> >Yep - what's the moral difference between playing on a friend's PC,
> >borrowing their copy, and just pirating it ?
>
> To rational people like us, there is no difference.
Ummm ... there is, actually. Not that I'm defending PC games or
anything, but borrowing is a perfectly valid legal concept, distinct
from owning or stealing. There are lots of theft cases where the
defendant argues that s/he borrowed the item on the assumption that
the owner wouldn't mind, and the owner does mind and prosecutes for
theft. The case then turns on whether there is evidence that the
borrower intended to return the item (or keep/sell it), whether s/he
had borrowed from the same owner before, whether s/he had legitimate
expectation that the owner would not mind etc.
So it is perfectly legitimate to borrow a friend's piece of software,
just as you might borrow a book, or a car, or a lawnmower - providing
you give it back again. It is perfectly legitimate to do try a game in
this way without buying it (though according to the licence text of
most games the owner ought to uninstall it from his/her machine before
lending it to you).
But you have to have the owner's consent, so downloading torrents is
not borrowing.
CC
Gandalf Parker
news:drbgc351cp1j904ud...@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:31:05 -1200, Mark Morrison <drdp...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:52:03 GMT, Rob
>><noemail...@jsjsaiiowppw.com> wrote:
>
>>>Not so long ago in her opinion it was a cardinal sin to lend games or
>>>use the second hand market.
>>>
>>>Now she's advocating both of those things. And this coming after she
>>>recently encouraged people to pirate a Microsoft OS too.
>>
>>Yep - what's the moral difference between playing on a friend's PC,
>>borrowing their copy, and just pirating it ?
>
> To rational people like us, there is no difference.
I agree. I started to post something asking about that also.
I think that the original poster is missing an important piece of the
puzzle. There is a reason that its called Copy-Protection and not Pirate-
Protection. Pirate Protection does occur but its not what people tend to
talk about.
The big problem which has always been tackled isnt the pirates. Its the
legal owners who would share with friends in a heartbeat if it was
possible, and never stop long enough to think if they are doing anything
illegal. Saying no to pirates, but yes to sharing, isnt doing anyone any
favors.
Gandalf Parker
Tim O
<mem...@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>I myself, to prove my loyalty to PC gaming, have bought 10 copies of the
>special edition, thus saving myself a whole 10p. I intend to donate that 10p
>to any charity supporting out of work games programmers from Portugal.
Are the little figurines in the special edition lead? Perhaps you
could just send those to Portugal for PCGames to eat.
Mark Morrison
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<snip>
> Yep - what's the moral difference between playing on a friend's PC,
> borrowing their copy, and just pirating it ?
Dunno. I once borrowed a friend's copy of Civilization III Conquests,
installed it on my PC and played it for a couple of weeks. I then
uninstalled it, give it back to him and bought my own copy?
The reason? I wasn't sure if the UK version worked with the US
Collectors Edition of Civ III that I'd imported (getting whacked with
Duty in the process).
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Mark Morrison
<nos...@jades.org> wrote:
>On the 20 Aug 2007, Mark Morrison <drdp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Yep - what's the moral difference between playing on a friend's PC,
>> borrowing their copy, and just pirating it ?
>
>Dunno. I once borrowed a friend's copy of Civilization III Conquests,
>installed it on my PC and played it for a couple of weeks. I then
>uninstalled it, give it back to him and bought my own copy?
>
>The reason? I wasn't sure if the UK version worked with the US
>Collectors Edition of Civ III that I'd imported (getting whacked with
>Duty in the process).
That sort of proves my point - morally, it's no different that
downlaoding a pirated version of Civ 3, playing it for a week, then
going out and buying it.
Yet pc games condemns one (piracy) while now promoting the other.
But only for Bioshock, apparently.
CM
> For those that can't stop from playing and do oppose aggressive copy-
> protection systems
I'm going to buy two special editions of Bioshock at full price just for
you.
Graham Thurlwell
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:24:12 +0100, Graham Thurlwell
> <nos...@jades.org> wrote:
>>On the 20 Aug 2007, Mark Morrison <drdp...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> Yep - what's the moral difference between playing on a friend's PC,
>>> borrowing their copy, and just pirating it ?
>>
>>Dunno. I once borrowed a friend's copy of Civilization III Conquests,
>>installed it on my PC and played it for a couple of weeks. I then
>>uninstalled it, give it back to him and bought my own copy?
>>
>>The reason? I wasn't sure if the UK version worked with the US
>>Collectors Edition of Civ III that I'd imported (getting whacked with
>>Duty in the process).
> That sort of proves my point - morally, it's no different that
> downlaoding a pirated version of Civ 3, playing it for a week, then
> going out and buying it.
Thing is, if computer game shops actually respected our statutory
rights, I wouldn't have needed to borrow the game as I'd get my money
back if it didn't work.
Mark Morrison
<nos...@jades.org> wrote:
>On the 21 Aug 2007, Mark Morrison <drdp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:24:12 +0100, Graham Thurlwell
>> <nos...@jades.org> wrote:
>
>>>On the 20 Aug 2007, Mark Morrison <drdp...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>> Yep - what's the moral difference between playing on a friend's PC,
>>>> borrowing their copy, and just pirating it ?
>>>
>>>Dunno. I once borrowed a friend's copy of Civilization III Conquests,
>>>installed it on my PC and played it for a couple of weeks. I then
>>>uninstalled it, give it back to him and bought my own copy?
>>>
>>>The reason? I wasn't sure if the UK version worked with the US
>>>Collectors Edition of Civ III that I'd imported (getting whacked with
>>>Duty in the process).
>
>> That sort of proves my point - morally, it's no different that
>> downlaoding a pirated version of Civ 3, playing it for a week, then
>> going out and buying it.
>
>Thing is, if computer game shops actually respected our statutory
>rights, I wouldn't have needed to borrow the game as I'd get my money
>back if it didn't work.
They will, if you complain loud enough in the shop. In the uk, we
have a legal right that anything we buy has to be in working order.
So if you buy a game and it doesn't work you have a legal right to a
refund.