Hi there ppls. I need to get in touch with either the naid 97
organisers, or the naid 96 organisers. It is very important. Any
hints?
Shawn Sterling (Seks / Xi, seks403 / #coders) email: sh...@connect.ab.ca
"There is a Glass of milk next to your keyboard."
"BASIC programmers: No Thanks, I'm still breast Feeding."
"Pascal programmers: What kind of milk is it?"
"C programmers: No thanks, I drink straight from the jug."
"ASM programmers: No thanks, I drink straight from the cow." - DDJ
I need to get in touch with either the naid 97 organisers or
the naid 96 organisers. It is very important.
Thanks.
I study at Edouard-Montpetit College and was sorry to realize
the room where they were organizing doesn't have any Naid poster
on it anymore. I think they're gone studying elsewhere. Are there
any chances we get another NAID here? I missed the end of NAID 96
and have not heard the organisers last words...
I suggest you search the net for their e-mails.
Good Luck
Julien Larivière
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> I study at Edouard-Montpetit College and was sorry to realize
> the room where they were organizing doesn't have any Naid poster
> on it anymore. I think they're gone studying elsewhere. Are there
> any chances we get another NAID here? I missed the end of NAID 96
> and have not heard the organisers last words...
I believe their last words were "There will be no Naid next year". :(
It's up to someone else now to organize the next North American demo
party...
In my opinion, people should start organizing smaller parties... For
instance, on a provincial (or state) scale. Much easier to organize, and
still could be a lot of fun.
However, nothing beats something like Naid...
-PsychoMan
___________________________________________________________
Michael Anttila aka PsychoMan of Craw Productions
2A Pure Math / Computer Science at U. of Waterloo, Canada
E-Mail: mant...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
Homepage: http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~manttila/
Craw Productions: cr...@magi.com, http://www.magi.com/~craw/
> In my opinion, people should start organizing smaller parties... For
> instance, on a provincial (or state) scale. Much easier to organize, and
> still could be a lot of fun.
Right, and the party held in Wyoming will have a whopping 1 attendee -
the organizer ;)
We've tried and done this before, although the result is a small,
intensely fun party, it doesn't compare to large parties (for the sake of
meeting people). Kinda like one of those small private parties held in
Finland all the time ;)
Ior/Hornet
: > In my opinion, people should start organizing smaller parties... For
: > instance, on a provincial (or state) scale. Much easier to organize, and
: > still could be a lot of fun.
: We've tried and done this before, although the result is a small,
: intensely fun party, it doesn't compare to large parties (for the sake of
: meeting people). Kinda like one of those small private parties held in
: Finland all the time ;)
What's so wrong with small parties? Even if they only have 10-15 people
meeting at a friend's house, at least you get to spend some time with local
friends, perhaps more than if you were in a crowd of 3000 in a foreign
country. I like big parties too, but I agree with Mike (or whoever :)
that local (state-province sized) parties should be encouraged. One
shouldn't have to wait a whole year to meet people or release a demo.
(unless your name is Jesse Rothenberg and you get to fly all over the
world whenever you want :)
The only problem I have is when people over-advertise small parties, and
try to get people to come based on promises ("Future Crew will be there!"
:). This pretty much only happens in America. If you're going to do
something, work on setting it up, rather than talking trash about it on
IRC/csipd/etc.
So, when is SoCal '97 going to take place? ;)
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|| > In my opinion, people should start organizing smaller parties... For
|| > instance, on a provincial (or state) scale. Much easier to organize, and
|| > still could be a lot of fun.
||
|| We've tried and done this before, although the result is a small,
|| intensely fun party, it doesn't compare to large parties (for the sake of
|| meeting people). Kinda like one of those small private parties held in
|| Finland all the time ;)
Well, what I meant to say was this: Organizing a large party is
difficult. In order to do it right, you need experience. One way to get
experience is to try organizing one, but usually this fails and things can
get messy sometimes.
A better solution would be to organize one or two small parties (~50
people) so you can get an idea of how things will work, where to rent
equipment, who your friends are, who your enemies are... You can also use
this opportunity to make valuable contacts in the business world - for
sponsors, equipment rentals, space rentals, etc.
That way, when you go to organize your big party, you'll know what to
expect, and everything will run much smoother. At least, that's the
theory. :)
>A better solution would be to organize one or two small parties (~50
>people) so you can get an idea of how things will work, where to rent
>equipment, who your friends are, who your enemies are... You can also use
>this opportunity to make valuable contacts in the business world - for
>sponsors, equipment rentals, space rentals, etc.
~50 people? Forget it. You need at least 100 people to cover the
expenses (you can't even imagine what I'm talking about unless you
have tried to organize something; there is a lot more than rentals)
and you still need some prize money. ~150 people is the minimum I
think. There is no chance to get a sponsor for a party with only ~50
people. And even if you find a sponsor - they are VERY VERY unwilling
to give you any money or pay expenses... They rather give you silly
hardware. Trust me - I've tried to find sponsors for two Abduction
parties and I'm currently trying to find a sponsor for Abduction'97
It is still damned hard even if we are talking about a party with >500
people.
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Markus Aurala
Abduction'9x Main Organizer | http://www.hut.fi/~maurala/
Helsinki University of Technology | markus...@hut.fi
> ~50 people? Forget it. You need at least 100 people to cover the
> expenses (you can't even imagine what I'm talking about unless you
No way, 50 is enough to cover expenses. You just don't have any
money for prizes then.
> have tried to organize something; there is a lot more than rentals)
> and you still need some prize money. ~150 people is the minimum I
> think. There is no chance to get a sponsor for a party with only ~50
With 150 visitors you can easily have 8000-10000 Fim for prizes which
is quite good amount, I suppose.
> people. And even if you find a sponsor - they are VERY VERY unwilling
> to give you any money or pay expenses... They rather give you silly
> hardware. Trust me - I've tried to find sponsors for two Abduction
Well, they don't give you any money, it is quite obvious but many instances
can give you things you need in organizing party and if you don't get
them free you get at least discount. These things are place, projector,
pa and other similar things. In your case, it might be harder to get
those because it is already quite big happening and you are, or should
we say, your organization is getting a lot of money so you can afford
more expensive things in your organization. But when talking about parties
for 100-200 people you don't have to pay that much since you don't need
that big hall.
Can't remember if you were organizing Abd94 but if I remember right it
went just fine and it wasn't that big party. Same goes with Demolition,
which is about to be organized again. If someone is interested in it I
can say that date will be 22-24 November and invitation textfile is about
to be released this week.
> parties and I'm currently trying to find a sponsor for Abduction'97
> It is still damned hard even if we are talking about a party with >500
> people.
If you drop partylan out you don't need sponsor. With 50000 finnish
mark you can do miracles.
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You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid - Well, mine are even worse!
(I know that this thread is Abduction-oriented but what can you do when no one
else comments...)
>> money is needed... You need a lot of money even before anyone actually
>> pays the entrance fee (insurance fees, plastic, tapes, a lot of paper
>> and so on). Without sponsor money you have to pay all these expenses
>Well, if organizing in school you most likely dont need insurance
>since school haves one.
Yes you do. At least Pohjankartano wasn't insuranced. And insurance fee wasn't low.
Notice that you also need an insurance for the equipment (audio/video systems,
compo machines, copier, etc.). You also have to pay some extra for equipment
transportation insurances.
One problem with schools is also that there are not all suitable for a demoparty.
>But those tapes, plastics and papers you can get easily and cheap and those aren't
>that much that you can risk it.
Easily yes. Those were just some examples of running costs... I could list a
lot of things.
>> from your very own wallet. It sure doesn't help you to relax before
>> the happening because you just can't know how many people are going to
>> attend your party.
>Thats true. You need to build your budget on pessimistic approximation
>so you don't lose. And in Finland case, there will be people in the
>parties, especially in Abduction since it has a perfect date.
A perfect date for partying but a less perfect day for making some quality
releases, I think. :)
>> > you are, or should
>> >we say, your organization is getting a lot of money so you can afford
>> >more expensive things in your organization.
>> I'm not sure if I follow... We're getting a lot of money? From where?
>> I haven't seen even a single penny.
>You have, but you have already given them away. I mean, that in entrance
>fees you get a lot of money for organization. That money is (hopefully)
>used for organizing party.
Every single penny.
> But you should have gotten almost 50000 Fim
>as entrance fees and that is quite much for party and you can have
>better facilities with that amount of money.
Only about 400 paid the entrance fee (the rest were girls + a few VIPs).
I'm not allowed to tell you how much expenses we had... Contact the winners,
ask how much money they got and do some reverse-engineering. :) You would
be surprised to see how much we _had_ (yep, we don't spend money for fun)
to pay for the facilities (makes it easier to imagine what kind of sums Assembly
Organizing has to pay)..
>> The partylan didn't cost us anything. I brought all the necessary stuff
>> from work for free. The partylan has absolutely nothing to do with spon-
>You could say that your lan was sponsored by the instance you work for.
Yes I could (and I did), but they wouldn't have given us any money instead of the
equipment anyway. So I don't understand what this has to do with anything. :)
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Abduction'9x Main Organizer | http://www.hut.fi/~maurala/
Helsinki University of Technology | markus...@hut.fi
DOT * PIK * SHUT * jne
[Let's assume that the entrance fee is 100FIM (~$20). Ok?]
>> people. And even if you find a sponsor - they are VERY VERY unwilling
>> to give you any money or pay expenses... They rather give you silly
>Well, they don't give you any money, it is quite obvious but many
>instances can give you things you need in organizing party and if you
>don't get them free you get at least discount. These things are place,
>projector, pa and other similar things.
I know what you mean, but that is not the only reason why sponsor
money is needed... You need a lot of money even before anyone actually
pays the entrance fee (insurance fees, plastic, tapes, a lot of paper
and so on). Without sponsor money you have to pay all these expenses
from your very own wallet. It sure doesn't help you to relax before
the happening because you just can't know how many people are going to
attend your party.
> In your case, it might be harder
>to get those because it is already quite big happening and
Yes, for Abd'94 we got everything for almost free, but not anymore.
> you are, or should
>we say, your organization is getting a lot of money so you can afford
>more expensive things in your organization.
I'm not sure if I follow... We're getting a lot of money? From where?
I haven't seen even a single penny.
>Can't remember if you were organizing Abd94 but if I remember right it
>went just fine and it wasn't that big party. Same goes with Demolition,
Yep, but do you remember how horrible audio and video systems we had?
The crappy converters/decoders/etc. didn't work at all. We had to - don't
laugh! - use a video camera to get the picture from the monitor to the
video projector. (I hope everybody understood what I meant.) Everything
was very blurred on the screen and I guess that that is exactly the reason
why Complex' 'Shamaan' won the compo (Hi Jmagic!).
Also we didn't need that much money for the prizes, because there weren't
too many competitions. Same goes with Demolition too. They had a combined
PC-Amiga compo and so on.
>> parties and I'm currently trying to find a sponsor for Abduction'97
>If you drop partylan out you don't need sponsor.
The partylan didn't cost us anything. I brought all the necessary stuff
from work for free. The partylan has absolutely nothing to do with spon-
soring (Telecom Finland was listed as a sponsor anyway because we got
a lot of other things from there).
>With 50000 finnish mark you can do miracles.
Only IF you know beforehand that you will get 50000FIM ($10000).
Like I wrote earlier, you never know beforehand whether your party will
suck or not (you remember TSP'96, guys?).
> money is needed... You need a lot of money even before anyone actually
> pays the entrance fee (insurance fees, plastic, tapes, a lot of paper
> and so on). Without sponsor money you have to pay all these expenses
Well, if organizing in school you most likely dont need insurance
since school haves one. But those tapes, plastics and papers you
can get easily and cheap and those aren't that much that you can
risk it.
> from your very own wallet. It sure doesn't help you to relax before
> the happening because you just can't know how many people are going to
> attend your party.
Thats true. You need to build your budget on pessimistic approximation
so you don't lose. And in Finland case, there will be people in the
parties, especially in Abduction since it has a perfect date.
> > you are, or should
> >we say, your organization is getting a lot of money so you can afford
> >more expensive things in your organization.
>
> I'm not sure if I follow... We're getting a lot of money? From where?
> I haven't seen even a single penny.
You have, but you have already given them away. I mean, that in entrance
fees you get a lot of money for organization. That money is (hopefully)
used for organizing party. It is not to be considered as salary and I
didn't even mean that. But you should have gotten almost 50000 Fim
as entrance fees and that is quite much for party and you can have
better facilities with that amount of money.
> Yep, but do you remember how horrible audio and video systems we had?
> The crappy converters/decoders/etc. didn't work at all. We had to - don't
> laugh! - use a video camera to get the picture from the monitor to the
I don't. I remember.
> video projector. (I hope everybody understood what I meant.) Everything
> was very blurred on the screen and I guess that that is exactly the reason
> why Complex' 'Shamaan' won the compo (Hi Jmagic!).
It was better than Mindprobes demo anyway ;)
> The partylan didn't cost us anything. I brought all the necessary stuff
> from work for free. The partylan has absolutely nothing to do with spon-
> soring (Telecom Finland was listed as a sponsor anyway because we got
> a lot of other things from there).
You could say that your lan was sponsored by the instance you work for.
> >With 50000 finnish mark you can do miracles.
>
> Only IF you know beforehand that you will get 50000FIM ($10000).
> Like I wrote earlier, you never know beforehand whether your party will
> suck or not (you remember TSP'96, guys?).
Thats true, 50000 is so much that it isn't very safe to assume have
so much :)
But even if I think hard I don't recall TSP'96 case...
OK, here's my comment...
>>But those tapes, plastics and papers you can get easily and cheap and those aren't
>>that much that you can risk it.
>Easily yes. Those were just some examples of running costs... I could list a
>lot of things.
Quote a few of those costs then.. it'll really bolster your argument.
[What I mean by that is this: pick the stronger argument.
(A)
"We have a serious epidemic here. We need more money to help control
it."
"How many people have been afflicted?"
"35 million over the past 24 hours. 36% of them will die."
(B)
"We have a serious epidemic here. We need more money to help control
it."
"How many people have been afflicted?"
"A lot."]
>>> from your very own wallet. It sure doesn't help you to relax before
>>> the happening because you just can't know how many people are going to
>>> attend your party.
>>Thats true. You need to build your budget on pessimistic approximation
>>so you don't lose. And in Finland case, there will be people in the
>>parties, especially in Abduction since it has a perfect date.
>A perfect date for partying but a less perfect day for making some quality
>releases, I think. :)
Abduction is a _party_, not a _quality_release_gathering_. :)
>>You have, but you have already given them away. I mean, that in entrance
>>fees you get a lot of money for organization. That money is (hopefully)
>>used for organizing party.
>Every single penny.
No matter what the official word is, there will always be those people
who don't think it is true. Over here we have First Nations Cola, and
the owner is having trouble convincing both Aboriginal and
European-descended people that the operation is self-sufficient.
(Aboriginals because they wonder which big company subsidized it.
European-descendants because they wonder how big the handout was from
the government. And they say stereotypes are dead...)
>> But you should have gotten almost 50000 Fim
>>as entrance fees and that is quite much for party and you can have
>>better facilities with that amount of money.
>Only about 400 paid the entrance fee (the rest were girls + a few VIPs).
Wait a second. Where's the nearest Abduction info file? what I read
from that is that only males were required to pay the entrance fee.
I'm guessing I'm wrong.
>>> The partylan didn't cost us anything. I brought all the necessary stuff
>>> from work for free. The partylan has absolutely nothing to do with spon-
>>You could say that your lan was sponsored by the instance you work for.
>Yes I could (and I did), but they wouldn't have given us any money instead of the
>equipment anyway. So I don't understand what this has to do with anything. :)
Probably a good area to point out that sponsors are more willing to
provide hardware than they are willing to provide cash.
Oh, yeah, sorry for all the examples.. I'm on an evidence-high from
debate club today..
>DOT * PIK * SHUT * jne
Hmm. This one's a new one to me, I'm afraid. Could you explain it?
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Coder, master procrastinator, and loudmouth.
"In German, a young lady has no sex, while a turnip has."
- Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens), "That Awful German Language"
>>(I know that this thread is Abduction-oriented but what can you do when
>>no one else comments...)
>OK, here's my comment...
I just knew you would say something... :) One can always count on you...
...NOT!
>>>But those tapes, plastics and papers you can get easily and cheap and
>>>those aren't that much that you can risk it.
>>Easily yes. Those were just some examples of running costs... I could list a
>>lot of things.
>Quote a few of those costs then.. it'll really bolster your argument.
Besides tapes, plastics and papers? Well, gas (you always know someone who
gives you a truck/van for free, but gas costs...) and phone calls/postages
(a lot of calls and letter during six months)...
It would be a lot more comfortable to use sponsor money to cover these
costs as most party organizers are students and really can't afford to wait
months to get their money back.
>>>parties, especially in Abduction since it has a perfect date.
>>A perfect date for partying but a less perfect day for making some quality
>>releases, I think. :)
>Abduction is a _party_, not a _quality_release_gathering_. :)
I know but the releases are practically everything that you and other
non-abductees see. Usually people form their opinion on parties based
on releases. I don't know whether it's right or wrong, but that's what
I've noticed (I admit that I do it myself too). Opinions?
A bunch of quality releases means that your party will be noticed, next
time more people will attend and even more quality releases will compete
and so on.
I don't see a reason why a party couldn't (/shouldn't) be both. Feel free
to disagree.
>>>You have, but you have already given them away. I mean, that in entrance
>>>fees you get a lot of money for organization. That money is (hopefully)
>>>used for organizing party.
>>Every single penny.
>No matter what the official word is, there will always be those people
>who don't think it is true. Over here we have First Nations Cola, and
>the owner is having trouble convincing both Aboriginal and
>European-descended people that the operation is self-sufficient.
>(Aboriginals because they wonder which big company subsidized it.
>European-descendants because they wonder how big the handout was from
>the government. And they say stereotypes are dead...)
I have no idea what your story is about, but don't bother explaining
it...
>>> But you should have gotten almost 50000 Fim
>>>as entrance fees and that is quite much for party and you can have
>>>better facilities with that amount of money.
>>Only about 400 paid the entrance fee (the rest were girls + a few VIPs).
>Wait a second. Where's the nearest Abduction info file? what I read
>from that is that only males were required to pay the entrance fee.
>I'm guessing I'm wrong.
Exactly. 400+ males paid the entrance fee --> 40000+ FIM.
If there is another way to get girls attend, please tell me about it.
'My Little Pony' exhibition is out of question.
>>DOT * PIK * SHUT * jne
>Hmm. This one's a new one to me, I'm afraid. Could you explain it?
Just a few clubs I belong to.
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Markus Aurala
Abduction'9x MO tahi jotain vastaavaa
Demoscene in Otaniemi * Polyteknikkojen Ilmailukerho * Spock's Hut * etc.
All the women at NAiD paid the entrance fee. Then again, I think I
only counted about 10 (not including the female volunteers). And most
were there with their boyfriends. How about having a dating game ala
Singled Out. Surely you'll have a 50:1 male:female ratio. :)
But Ms. Saigon got her money back from prize money. And it's a goal
of her's to have the following situation occur.
"Hi, who are you?"
"Oh, nobody important. I'm just here with my girlfriend."
Kneebiter
Well, the only people you'd attract would be people with nothing to
do. All the coders would be working to the last minute on their
competition entries. :)
[Yeah, I know, 12-year-olds who show up for the sole purpose of
playing Quake on a network. <gag/retch>]
> But Ms. Saigon got her money back from prize money. And it's a goal
>of her's to have the following situation occur.
>"Hi, who are you?"
>"Oh, nobody important. I'm just here with my girlfriend."
The way things are going, it should't be much longer now..
Oh... I suppose you'll be that nobody important? ;)
Kneebiter
Not likely, at least for another three years--no cash. :(
Anyhow, with the way I procrastinate, when those three years are up...
you never know, it just might be. :)
> Mikko Piironen <mpii...@hepo.cc.lut.fi> writes:
>
> (I know that this thread is Abduction-oriented but what can you do when no one
> else comments...)
Who cares, it is good example.
> Yes you do. At least Pohjankartano wasn't insuranced. And insurance fee wasn't low.
> Notice that you also need an insurance for the equipment (audio/video systems,
> compo machines, copier, etc.). You also have to pay some extra for equipment
> transportation insurances.
> One problem with schools is also that there are not all suitable for a demoparty.
Well, all the schools we asked had insurance. Also, PA and videosystems
had insurances. Compomachines etc. stuff is still left over but those value
isn't that big so insurance fee won't be that high either. It is still
money thou.
Besides, we were discussing about little parties, last abduction could be
something semisized, but for little parties schools are good places.
> Easily yes. Those were just some examples of running costs... I could list a
> lot of things.
And most likely there will appear some more expenses during the party.
You never know what will happen.
> A perfect date for partying but a less perfect day for making some quality
> releases, I think. :)
Might be. So, forget releases and just party :)
> Only about 400 paid the entrance fee (the rest were girls + a few VIPs).
> I'm not allowed to tell you how much expenses we had... Contact the winners,
> ask how much money they got and do some reverse-engineering. :) You would
I'm not interested. We can tell demolition figures if someone wants to
and I guess that we will release those figures considering about Demolition
bugdet next time.
> All the women at NAiD paid the entrance fee. Then again, I think I
> only counted about 10 (not including the female volunteers). And most
> were there with their boyfriends [...].
> But Ms. Saigon got her money back from prize money.
You mean the 'free-for-all' compo where she sang? I think she was
great! My friend was actually ashamed of his entry when he heard
her... and he tied in first place! That tells you something about
the general sanity of the demo scene :)
(for the record: my friend's thing was the animations of the gray
guy (Rem) beating the crap out of the green guy (Guy) in various
ways.)
> And it's a goal of her's to have the following situation occur:
> "Hi, who are you?"
> "Oh, nobody important. I'm just here with my girlfriend."
:)
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Dada
da...@dsuper.net
cy...@freenet.carleton.ca
Nope, she got the prize money from the winning 100k intro, which she
did the music for. She didn't win anything for the singing, the two
animations took the prizes in that compo.
: (for the record: my friend's thing was the animations of the gray
: guy (Rem) beating the crap out of the green guy (Guy) in various
: ways.)
Yeah, everyone at NAID seemed to love that and 'Pulp'. Kinda scary, eh? :)
Maybe MS should beat the crap out of the other Threesome members on stage
for the next wild compo. :)
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: > All the women at NAiD paid the entrance fee. Then again, I think I
: > only counted about 10 (not including the female volunteers). And most
: > were there with their boyfriends [...].
: > But Ms. Saigon got her money back from prize money.
: You mean the 'free-for-all' compo where she sang? I think she was
: great! My friend was actually ashamed of his entry when he heard
: her... and he tied in first place! That tells you something about
: the general sanity of the demo scene :)
Nah, 'twas for the winning intro which ran backwards if you remember
I'm still disappointed my jokes didn't go so well :)
: (for the record: my friend's thing was the animations of the gray
: guy (Rem) beating the crap out of the green guy (Guy) in various
: ways.)
That was pretty sick. I guess it's a guy thing. I was never really into
them, I'm a 'wimp' :)
: > And it's a goal of her's to have the following situation occur:
: > "Hi, who are you?"
: > "Oh, nobody important. I'm just here with my girlfriend."
: :)
: --
: Dada
: da...@dsuper.net
: cy...@freenet.carleton.ca
HB
Maybe you should have a pie-throwing contest or someth...whoops :)
>Yeah, everyone at NAID seemed to love that and 'Pulp'. Kinda scary, eh? :)
>Maybe MS should beat the crap out of the other Threesome members on stage
>for the next wild compo. :)
Would you or anybody happen to know if this DP][ animation can be
found somewhere?
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A la prochaine!
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para...@interlinx.qc.ca mas...@dmi.usherb.ca
http://www.interlinx.qc.ca/~parallax
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Ahhh... go back in your room and shut the door! ;) You could have
seen this live anytime/anywhere on our trip up to NAiD.
(and thanks phoenix, really, I appreciate it... Next year... *grumble*)
Kneebiter/Threesome
(Sorry that not everyone at naid is comfortable with english. Quite a
few groups I didn't get to know because of that.)
> Would you or anybody happen to know if this DP][ animation can be
> found somewhere?
I know it was ftp'ed by the author as zipped FLCs but I don't know
where. I can obtain them and upload again if I only knew where to
put this kind of things. Does it go with demos? This is only
animation and there's no sound so...
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Dada
da...@dsuper.net
cy...@freenet.carleton.ca
It got uploaded to ftp.cdrom.com, but as we don't keep animations, it
was deleted after spending a couple weeks in /incoming. We didn't get
a good copy of the first .zip (guy-anm1?) tho, so feel free to upload that
so I can complete my collection. :)