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vmvc

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Dec 11, 2005, 4:29:34 PM12/11/05
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Manel.

Description of "bug"

1.- #3714Ah SYSEVAL (ACCESS INTO HIDDEN DIRECTORY)
2.-PRESS LS-G (GO TO built-in FILER NO USR MODE)
3.- GO DOWN WITH CURSOR.....

Do a BACKUP before trying......

Jean-Yves Avenard

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Dec 12, 2005, 1:49:51 AM12/12/05
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vmvc wrote:
> Manel.
>
> Description of "bug"
>
> 1.- #3714Ah SYSEVAL (ACCESS INTO HIDDEN DIRECTORY)
> 2.-PRESS LS-G (GO TO built-in FILER NO USR MODE)
> 3.- GO DOWN WITH CURSOR.....
>

Which you can never reproduce without using SYSEVAL...

JY

John H Meyers

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Dec 12, 2005, 4:44:36 PM12/12/05
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:49:51 -0600, Jean-Yves Avenard wrote:

>> Description of "bug"

> Which you can never reproduce without using SYSEVAL...

Wanna bet?

"" S~N EVAL then start Filer and scroll down.

Sony music recently got some pretty bad PR
by telling users that there was no way
that their copy protection could hurt their PC's;
heck, said Sony, most users haven't even the faintest idea
of what a "rootkit" is.

And how many users have ever multiplied those particular numbers
which exposed the "Pentium arithmetic bug"?

And how about those extreme cases in the older HP Finance solvers
in which a long series of positive payments
at very small positive interest gave a future value
less than the sum of the payments?

Even though it could have said that such input was
very unrealistic and needn't be handled,
HP instead made sure that all future financial calcs
correctly handled even this extreme problem,
citing the fact that to give wrong answers at any time
would be likely to undermine user confidence.

The defensive posture is rarely the best one in the long run.

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Brother-Peter

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Dec 12, 2005, 4:47:58 PM12/12/05
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"Jean-Yves Avenard" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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I read it as "bug" - but - that's what actually *is* written there by vmvc
I have found several such "bugs" during the years

When you're going to fix the "CAS changes flags" -BUG ???


Brother-Peter

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Dec 12, 2005, 4:50:58 PM12/12/05
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"John H Meyers" <jhme...@miu.edu> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:49:51 -0600, Jean-Yves Avenard wrote:
>
>>> Description of "bug"
>
>> Which you can never reproduce without using SYSEVAL...
>
> Wanna bet?
>
> "" S~N EVAL then start Filer and scroll down.

Stop right there Johnny-boy!
There are much important things to correct at this TIME
I find it ALARMing when just want to make A-PPOINT(ment)
I will not work - not now- not in any future DATE
ADJuST to that...


John H Meyers

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Dec 12, 2005, 8:48:18 PM12/12/05
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Recognizing existence of bugs
is a separate matter from prioritizing attention to them;
in this case it seemed to me an attempt to deny existence.

With MASD and development library on board (even built in),
surely it's expected that the calc will in fact
be used as a development platform,
so why not make sure that there aren't any lurking booby traps
into which otherwise legitimate operations might plunge a user
who merely innocently uses the tools as given?

If Filer uses hidden directory in a way which interferes
with its own display of it, and if not easy to correct,
then another approach could be to throw an error
and kick the user out; all better than crashing
(if that's what might otherwise happen).

Lower priority than alarms, of course :)

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Jean-Yves Avenard

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Dec 12, 2005, 10:58:13 PM12/12/05
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John H Meyers wrote:
> Wanna bet?
Yes.


>
> "" S~N EVAL then start Filer and scroll down.

You must attach the 256 Library first which isn't supported by HP nor
mentioned in any official manuals.

JY

Jean-Yves Avenard

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Dec 12, 2005, 11:02:34 PM12/12/05
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Brother-Peter wrote:
> I read it as "bug" - but - that's what actually *is* written there by vmvc
> I have found several such "bugs" during the years
>
> When you're going to fix the "CAS changes flags" -BUG ???
>
Because I have nothing to do with this software ? (CAS).

Same thing for the Alarm, it's all to do with the Operating System and I
've had nothing to do with it so I don't care much..

I do submit some fixes if they are easy to fix or fun to look at. All of
this during my spare times at no cost to HP, just because I'm proud of
the thing I did in the past and I support them. Service I provide to all
my clients.. Now I'm already overly generous and have much better things
to do in my life.

Just got married (http://wedding.avenard.com), and bought a house
(http://wedding.avenard.com/warrigal) so I'm very busy in all aspects of
my life.

JY

Wing Wong

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Dec 12, 2005, 11:32:05 PM12/12/05
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Jean-Yves Avenard <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> Just got married (http://wedding.avenard.com), and bought a house
> (http://wedding.avenard.com/warrigal) so I'm very busy in all aspects of
> my life.
>
> JY

Just slightly OT but,
Congratulations Jean-Yves! May you and Angela MANY happy years together!

--

Wing Wong.
Webpage: http://wing.ucc.asn.au

John H Meyers

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Dec 12, 2005, 11:32:36 PM12/12/05
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:58:13 -0600, JYA wrote:

JHM>> "" S~N EVAL then start Filer and scroll down.

JYA> You must attach the 256 Library first

No, I just set flag -86 :)

> which isn't supported by HP nor
> mentioned in any official manuals.

Why yes it is - in Chapter 6 of the official
HP 49g+/ HP 48gII graphing calculator
Advanced User's Reference manual

HP part number F2228-90010
Printed Date: 2005/9/17

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Mike

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Dec 13, 2005, 1:42:36 AM12/13/05
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Well, well... now we know the real reason Qonos is not progressing!
And you had us believing it was funding, when all along a lovely lady
was the real reason... ;-)

Congratulations to you Jean-Yves... a fine looking house and a gorgeous
bride!

And thank you for whatever time you are still volunteering to improving
the 49g+.

-Mike

Jean-Yves Avenard

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Dec 13, 2005, 2:11:03 AM12/13/05
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Mike wrote:
> Well, well... now we know the real reason Qonos is not progressing!
> And you had us believing it was funding, when all along a lovely lady
> was the real reason... ;-)
Thank you guys.. very much appreciated.

Well, being married and lack of funding go in pair usually isn't it ?
Got a house 4 weeks after being married and now I'm broke !

JY

Brother-Peter

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Dec 13, 2005, 2:20:39 AM12/13/05
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"Jean-Yves Avenard" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Brother-Peter wrote:
>> I read it as "bug" - but - that's what actually *is* written there by
>> vmvc
>> I have found several such "bugs" during the years
>>
>> When you're going to fix the "CAS changes flags" -BUG ???
>>
> Because I have nothing to do with this software ? (CAS).

Darn!
There seems to be no way to make HPQ to pay
Parisse
to fix that very annoing behaviour

> Same thing for the Alarm, it's all to do with the Operating System and I
> 've had nothing to do with it so I don't care much..

ok

> I do submit some fixes if they are easy to fix or fun to look at. All of
> this during my spare times at no cost to HP, just because I'm proud of the
> thing I did in the past and I support them. Service I provide to all my
> clients.. Now I'm already overly generous and have much better things to
> do in my life.

overly generous? I'll give you my bank account number... (-;

> Just got married (http://wedding.avenard.com), and bought a house

congratulations!

> (http://wedding.avenard.com/warrigal) so I'm very busy in all aspects of
> my life.

and now you're broke...


John H Meyers

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Dec 13, 2005, 1:52:00 PM12/13/05
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You could get some relief from CAS mode changes
(and variable deletions) using 'XC':

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.hp48/msg/2f30a3dce3ad6d00
http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=5493
http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49/math/symbolic/xc49v02.zip

Another interesting way to use XC might be:

\<< { STR\-> } XC \>> '\GaENTER' STO @ AlphaENTER

-62 SF -63 SF @ Required flag settings

With this, anything typed into the command line
will be evaluated under 'XC' -- you can even
open a command line via Rshift+ENTRY,
then enter command names taken from any menu
(remember that menu keys will otherwise bypass this program,
processing only what has been manually typed, if anything).

Toggling USER mode is a quick way to toggle this on/off
(but key assignments go on/off too, c'est la vie)

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ganesh3

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Dec 13, 2005, 3:25:16 PM12/13/05
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Félicitations, Jean-Yves et Angela, et avec une épouse aussi jolie,
Qonos, on verra plus tard !!

Jean-Yves Avenard a écrit :

Brother-Peter

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Dec 13, 2005, 3:29:10 PM12/13/05
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Gongrats (JY+A).A
AND
after some _kids_
we'll expect Qonos
There are some new extreme low-power CPU coming up...

"ganesh3" <fcr345...@zorglubtele2.fr> wrote in message
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Bruce Horrocks

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Dec 13, 2005, 4:49:56 PM12/13/05
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In message <406vekF...@individual.net>, Jean-Yves Avenard
<m...@privacy.net> writes

>Just got married (http://wedding.avenard.com), and bought a house
>(http://wedding.avenard.com/warrigal) so I'm very busy in all aspects
>of my life.

Hello J-Y & Angela,

Congratulations from all of us at HPCC.

Regards,
--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey
England
<firstname>@<surname>.plus.com -- fix the obvious for email

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