HP 50g display bug?
markb
ROM is 2.09.
For example, suppose there are objects on levels 1 and 2 of the stack.
Press the DROP key, and the first object is deleted. Press the DROP
key again, and it appears that the key did not register; the object is
still shown in level 1. However, press delete again, and the remaining
level 1 object disappears with the error message "DROP Error: Too Few
Arguments".
This means that the last remaining object really was dropped the first
time, but the display didn't update. This has occurred with varying
numbers of objects remaining on the stack (i.e. not just the last
object on the stack), and not just with the DROP key either; I've
noticed it occur with the multiply key. I also can't get it to happen
consistently.
Has anyone else noticed this problem?
TW
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.hp48/msg/50e71b1b26d89d34
TW
Joe Horn
> Looks like they "busy bug" is back (or never left...)
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.hp48/msg/50e71b1b26d89d34
Correct. *sigh* What will it take, Jean-Yves? A storming of the
Bastille?
-Joe-
markb
browsing the CATalog.
This is true. I can make it happen fairly consistently that way.
(sigh) :-(
John H Meyers
>> Looks like they "busy bug" is back (or never left...)
> Correct. *sigh* What will it take, Jean-Yves?
> A storming of the Bastille?
Is the Bastille in China?
(is it possible that the bug came on board there?)
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Jean-Yves Avenard
> Correct. *sigh* What will it take, Jean-Yves? A storming of the
> Bastille?
processor, therefore nothing I can do about it.
2-I can only fix stuff I can reproduce myself... Then try to explain it
to the developers in China ...
You can go and rampage the bastille as much as you want.. Oh wait... it
doesn't exist anymore!
horsz...@gmail.com
LUis
markb
keystroke" problem of the 49G+ series in that, if it occurs on the last
keystroke of a calculation, you would think you've completed a
calculation, when in reality you haven't.
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
You mean you think you have NOT completed the calculation yet...
but in fact you have
Lucky enough one has UNDO (and LastARG and...)
Veli-Pekka
John H Meyers
to "flush" any pending stuff through the "pipeline,"
without otherwise affecting any results.
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markb
> You mean you think you have NOT completed the calculation yet...
> but in fact you have
> Lucky enough one has UNDO (and LastARG and...)
> Veli-Pekka
No, actually I meant what I wrote, for example you press + to complete
a calculation, but the addition doesn't happen and you don't notice
that it didn't happen ...
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
Unless you are in USER mode
and have assigned something on the shifted shift key...
I think [ON] key is the safest
John H Meyers
[re pressing a shift key twice to flush key buffer]
> Unless you are in USER mode
> and have assigned something on the shifted shift key...
Yes, you can assign something to a self-shifted shift key,
although that would also complicate your *canceling*
a mistakenly pressed shift key.
> I think [ON] key is the safest
Unless you didn't realize that your unfinished program
(or long numeric integral, or GC-induced pause, etc.)
was still running...
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Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
Did/does the HP-71B require twice the [ON] before interrupting totally
a lengthy calculation like integration or solving?
Maybe that would be nice even today...
casati
Just wanted to BACKUP my Home Dir to Port 3 (256MB MMC) and entered the
following:
:3:060829 ARCHIVE
Not having pressed ENTER yet, I realized that I forgot the 'H' in my
archive name, so I went back to just behind the second colon (using the
left cursor key in rapid succession) and entered 'H' then pressed ENTER
...
:3:H060829 ARCHIVE <ENTER>
Screen went black! No further action.
Pressed ON - resulted in warm start (Metakernel splash screen) &
REVOVER (Y/N) - pressed YES - HOME gone forever :-(((
Reminds me to do at least daily backups again ...
If this has been caused by above mentioned bug, then we might have a
serious problem here.
HP-49G+ (s/n: CNA 515xxx) to ROM 2.09 (v.11-Aug-2006)
Best regards
Peter A. Gebhardt
Joe Horn
I have a silly but perfectly functional workaround to the Busy Bug:
Always leave the clock display turned on. When the Busy Bug catches a
keystroke, it only "hangs" for at most one second, then gets released
when the clock display updates. I've gotten so used to that happening
that I now just calmly wait a moment whenever I think I've missed a
keystroke, rather than getting instantly annoyed and frenetically
pressing another key. So it's good on my nerves too. ;-)
Is the Busy Bug a kind of Zen koan, designed to interrupt logical
thought and re-focus the mind on external reality?
-Joe-
John H Meyers
[ingenious way to bypass the "Busy Bug"!]
> Is the Busy Bug a kind of Zen koan, designed to interrupt
> logical thought and re-focus the mind on external reality?
The assumption that "reality" is "external"
already directs one away from its source,
and I'm surprised to hear that attributed
to Zen Buddhism. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen]
"I've met the students who take part in consciousness-based
education, and it's like looking at a miracle.
They are shiny, self-assured, very powerful human beings.
They're each individuals, but really packed with what it takes
to have a love of life and a chance for huge success."
- David Lynch, on http://www.invincibleamerica.org/
[see also http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/]
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Scott Chapin
"Joe Horn" <joe...@holyjoe.net> wrote in message
news:1156957551.5...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
<SNIP>
> Always leave the clock display turned on.
So that's why I've never encountered the Busy Bug..
Scott Chapin
Peter A. Gebhardt
Thx. for your advice. My incident happened, despite me having the clock
display turned on ...
So I not only have to take care of daily backups but to remind myself
to be more patient.
Best regards
Peter A. Gebhardt
Jean-Yves Avenard
> Joe,
>
> Thx. for your advice. My incident happened, despite me having the clock
> display turned on ...
Did you run any particular program at the time? If your memory is
corrupted in any way, running the ARCHIVE command can have some very
nasty results
What I would suggest in the future, is to perform a warmstart (ON-C)
then run archive.
JY
Joe Horn
John H Meyers wrote:
> The assumption that "reality" is "external"
> already directs one away from its source,
> and I'm surprised to hear that attributed
> to Zen Buddhism.
Well, phooey. I got my "Reality is external" concept from the book
"Zen: Direct Pointing at Reality" which I enjoyed reading immensely,
mistakenly thinking that I was acquiring reliable information. Rats.
I guess THAT was a waste of time. I have hereby un-read it, and sent
it back to Amazon to recycle:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0500810184/
Thanks for the heads-up. I will be sure to also un-read these other
books by the same lady author:
- The Wisdom of Zen
- The Buddhist World
- The Buddha Speaks - A book of guidance from Buddhist scriptures
- The Pocket Buddha Reader
- Spiritual Journey
- Buddhism (Religions of the World)
- Twentieth Century Mystics and Sages
- Weavers of Wisdom: Women Mystics of the Twentieth Century
- Women in Search of the Sacred
- The Luminous Vision: Six Medieval Mystics and Their Teachings
- Origins of the Sacred: The Way of the Sacred in Western Tradition
Just for fun, let's suppose (for the sake of argument) that reality is
NOT external, and that in fact it's internal. Reality is nothing other
than what's in my own mind. Well, in MY mind, that book is correct.
Therefore it is correct, in reality. But that contradicts what you
said earlier (that it isn't really correct). Therefore, by
contradiciton, the original supposition is proven false, and reality is
proven to be external. There, now, wasn't that fun? :-)
If reality is not external, is ANYTHING external? If not, why should I
care?
Zen pupil: "Master, what is an apple?"
Zen master: <hands an apple to the student, saying nothing>
Zen pupil: "What is truth?"
Zen master: <takes the apple back, and eats it, saying nothing>
Zen pupil: <when the apple is all gone> "Hey! That was MY apple!"
Zen master: "It is now, and will always be, your apple."
-Joe-
Joe Horn
> If your memory is corrupted in any way, running the ARCHIVE
> command can have some very nasty results
> What I would suggest in the future, is to perform a warmstart (ON-C)
> then run archive.
Good advice. Always backup BEFORE doing Bad Things. If you're a real
couch hacker, I'd suggest assigning a "backup to port 3" program to a
key, and installing a *fast* flash card in the SD slot. And then
getting into the habit of pressing that key BEFORE any potentially
memory-corrupting activity. It lets you hack away with gleeful
abandon. That's my M.O., and I highly recommend it.
Sample "backup to port 3" program:
<< :3:BKUP DUP PURGE ARCHIVE RCLF :3:FLGS DUP PURGE STO >>
Here's the companion "Restore from port 3" program, which I keep in
port 1 for easy access after a Memory Clear:
<< :3:FLGS EVAL STOF :3:BKUP RESTORE >>
-Joe-
John H Meyers
whether of one author or thousands,
changes the nature of things,
although it does readily move the mind
which floats solely in the superficial,
trying to comprehend all intellectually,
while the complete development of the soul
requires only to be quiet enough
to let the full self-experience rise from within,
and then spontaneously to comprehend everything.
"The Hummingbird, he has no song.
From flower to flower he hums along
Among the Jacaranda Trees;
He finds no words for what he sees."
- Michael Flanders
[The Bestiary of Flanders and Swann]
Best wishes to you, Father Horn
Scott Chapin
"John H Meyers" <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
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<SNIP>
>move the mind
> which floats solely in the superficial,
> trying to comprehend all intellectually,
Doesn't sound like a lot of people I know! :-)
<SNIP>
Scott Chapin
markb
> I have a silly but perfectly functional workaround to the Busy Bug:
> Always leave the clock display turned on. When the Busy Bug catches a
> keystroke, it only "hangs" for at most one second, then gets released
> when the clock display updates.
Does that work with the analog clock display?
Jean-Yves Avenard
> Does that work with the analog clock display?
>
Michael
Mick Carey
Andreas Möller
> > Sample "backup to port 3" program:
> >
> > << :3:BKUP DUP PURGE ARCHIVE RCLF :3:FLGS DUP PURGE STO >>
> >
> > Here's the companion "Restore from port 3" program, which I keep in
> > port 1 for easy access after a Memory Clear:
> >
> > << :3:FLGS EVAL STOF :3:BKUP RESTORE >>
> Nice one Joe, will that save the flags as well?
> Mick Carey
You didn´t even bother trying to understand the code, didn´t you?
I think I'll have to quote Einstein there:
"There are two things which are infinite. The universe and human
stupidty, although I'm not sure about the first."
Andreas
John H Meyers
> Nice one Joe, will that save the flags as well?
Joe's program obviously saves and restores flags
(in a separate file), and so would PUSH (before ARCHIVE)
and POP (after RESTORE), which will save both your flags
and current directory path within the archive --
you might automate the POP by including it in your STARTUP)
You could also save "your standard flags" in HOME somewhere,
for resetting at any time.
--
Michael
Thats a bit harsh isnt it, I thought it did but just wanted
confirmation, jeez this group hasnt been very open and friendly in some
cases lately.
Mick
Andreas Möller
> confirmation, jeez this group hasnt been very open and friendly in some
> cases lately.
> Mick
Well, there are a lot of question here lately by people which obviously
show that they
- don´t even read the tiny documentation that came with the 49G+/50G
- don´t bother to read the faq
- don´t bother to search this newsgroup for an answer to their
questions before they post it
- ask questions which have been answered over and over again
- don´t care about nettiquete
- expect that others do there work for them (which is really
surprising, ´cause if they don´t want to do it for themselves
why should somebody else do it ?)
- don´t invest any time and thoughts and only produce noise
and hot air
- believe that they can expect to get anything for free (What do
they give for free? And what does free mean anyway?)
Probably just mirrors the current state of society.
I´m anxious waiting for your valuable contributions to comp.sys.hp48.