HP should stop making Calculators...!
TranslucentAmoebae
Substantially superiour phones, pads, PDAs ( if they're still called
that )
and such...
Joel Koltner
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How many people do you know who'd be willing to pay, say, $49 for an iPhone
app that implemented a really nice, programmable RPN calculator, though?
Note that few if any students would, as no one's going to let them use an
iPhone while taking an exam...
data...@gmail.com
Stop? I'm still waiting for them to start (again :-).
Jest aside, having good calculator apps for computers, tablets,
phones, etc... would be nice. However, not at the expense of the
"real" thing since they are used for testing and fun (my case).
BTW, emu48 is available for many popular devices (WinMo, iPhone, iPad,
Palm, Android). I use m48+ on my iPhone and iPad for my portable RPL
needs. I jump between emulated 48GX+MK and 49G.
Jim Horn
terrific!) I had Emu48 running on it just fine from the app store. No
muss, no fuss, no chocolate mess. My Palm Tunsgen E2 has now been
retired... And my HP 50g still gets plenty of use (thanks, Joe!!).
TranslucentAmoebae
Can you move data that these emulators create to a computer...?
TranslucentAmoebae
i would be most interested in an emulator for a ipod-Touch...
it should be just like an HP48, and be able to move data that it
created to a computer or printer...!
What these emulators really need to do though, is take advantage of
the better graphics, color and memory.
i've always thought that it would be fabulous to use an HP48 to
manipulate data from a dictionary...!
Raymond Del Tondo
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>
> i would be most interested in an emulator for a ipod-Touch...
> it should be just like an HP48, and be able to move data that it
> created to a computer or printer...!
>
The + version is able to transfer data from/to another machine.
HTH
Raymond
Raymond Del Tondo
"TranslucentAmoebae" <transa...@seanet.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
> it should be just like an HP48, and be able to move data that it
> created to a computer or printer...!
>
A.L.
<jameslu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Indeed - the day I received my Android phone (HTC Aria - it's
>terrific!) I had Emu48 running on it just fine from the app store. No
>muss, no fuss, no chocolate mess.
Too small keys...
A.L.
Raymond Del Tondo
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which reduces the keyboard to the most important keys.
The individual keys claim much more "real estate"
so it's much easier to hit the right virtual button;-)
At least for me this is one of the "killer apps" for the iPhone:-)
HTH
Ray
Frank Pittel
: "A.L." <lew...@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
: HTH
: Ray
For the iphone I like the 42s emulator. I'm going to be getting an Ipad in the
next month or so and can see getting a 4x emulator for it.
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jbondage069
> Raymond Del Tondo <Ih8...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> :news:acb3661pr8vk3t5pc...@4ax.com...
> : > On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 17:04:50 -0700 (PDT), Jim Horn: > <jamesludwigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> : >
> : >>Indeed - the day I received my Android phone (HTC Aria - it's
> : >>terrific!) I had Emu48 running on it just fine from the app store. No
> : >>muss, no fuss, no chocolate mess.
> : >
> : > Too small keys...
> : >
> : > A.L.
> : >
> : At least m48 (and m48+) for the iPhone offer a simple view,
> : which reduces the keyboard to the most important keys.
> : The individual keys claim much more "real estate"
> : so it's much easier to hit the right virtual button;-)
>
> : At least for me this is one of the "killer apps" for the iPhone:-)
>
> : HTH
>
> : Ray
>
> For the iphone I like the 42s emulator. I'm going to be getting an Ipad in the
> next month or so and can see getting a 4x emulator for it.
> --
>
> -------------------
> Keep working dumbo needs the money
I don't like the interface on a cell phone for doing heavy
calculations. Figuring a tip or your gas mileage is fine on a small
mobile phone interface. I much prefer the tactile feel of the HP
calculators (especially the 41CV) over a tiny key board or virtual
keyboard under glass. It is much faster to have a real machine with a
real keyboard. IMHO....
m II
> How many people do you know who'd be willing to pay, say, $49 for an
> iPhone app that implemented a really nice, programmable RPN calculator,
> though?
There's an exact HP41CX/V emulation in the Apps section of the iTunes
store. The non printing version is about 7 dollars. The printer
capable one is 24 dollars. You can email the printout anywhere.
Many, many application cartridges are available, along with keyboard
overlays. The thing can be set up normal, or extremely customized.
It's like falling in love all over again.
mike
Han
While that app, and many other emulators, is very nice, there's just
something to be said about having tactile feedback when I press a
button. When I press a button on my HP48GX, I know exactly which
button it is, without even looking at the keyboard. I cannot say the
same for its emulated version (e.g. m48 or m48+)
Dueño de Monte
I don´t have to look at the keyboard or the display to know what I am
writting.
This let me keep reading or paying attention to what I am trying to
describe.
Without the tactil response of the keyboard, I have to go back and
forth from the object to the keyboard and display, to be sure that
what I am doing is correct.
Maybe, some day I could "talk" to the gadget and it will write
properly what I am saying, meanwhile keyboard gadgets are the one,
HP50 G for me.
Veli-Pekka.Nousiainen
> I agree. My brain is set to have a tactil answer from the keyboard, so
> I don´t have to look at the keyboard or the display to know what I am
> writting.
>
no WiFi, no iRDA, no GPS, no expensive SRAM
GSM, 3G phones, 800x480 LCD (touch? "pinch"?)
Camera with led, Lion-battery, mini-USB charching via PC
Calculator keyboard
Emulated 49G (yes, the old 49G)
RPL/2 with full speed and full RAM
+ Parisse's Xciac (or whatever the name is)
so...it could run any old software via emulator
and using C-language you could harness the full CPU power
JKB
Veli-Pekka.Nousiainen <velipekka....@saunalahti.fi> écrivait :
> Dueño de Monte wrote:
>> I agree. My brain is set to have a tactil answer from the keyboard, so
>> I don´t have to look at the keyboard or the display to know what I am
>> writting.
>>
> Thät why I think HP should make a whole new student-iPAQ
> no WiFi, no iRDA, no GPS, no expensive SRAM
> GSM, 3G phones, 800x480 LCD (touch? "pinch"?)
> Camera with led, Lion-battery, mini-USB charching via PC
> Calculator keyboard
> Emulated 49G (yes, the old 49G)
> RPL/2 with full speed and full RAM
> + Parisse's Xciac (or whatever the name is)
I haven't written RPL/2 to put it in a pocket computer. RPL/2 and
RPL/C have been designed to write complex algorithms on parallel
computers.
Regards,
JKB
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Veli-Pekka.Nousiainen
> Le Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:04:11 +0300,
> Veli-Pekka.Nousiainen<velipekka....@saunalahti.fi> écrivait :
>> Dueño de Monte wrote:
>>> I agree. My brain is set to have a tactil answer from the keyboard, so
>>> I don´t have to look at the keyboard or the display to know what I am
>>> writting.
>>>
>> Thät why I think HP should make a whole new student-iPAQ
>> no WiFi, no iRDA, no GPS, no expensive SRAM
>> GSM, 3G phones, 800x480 LCD (touch? "pinch"?)
>> Camera with led, Lion-battery, mini-USB charching via PC
>> Calculator keyboard
>> Emulated 49G (yes, the old 49G)
>> RPL/2 with full speed and full RAM
>> + Parisse's Xciac (or whatever the name is)
>
> I haven't written RPL/2 to put it in a pocket computer. RPL/2 and
> RPL/C have been designed to write complex algorithms on parallel
> computers.
>
> Regards,
>
> JKB
>
JKB
Veli-Pekka.Nousiainen <velipekka....@saunalahti.fi> écrivait :
Why not ?...
Agnes Leroy
software for doing computations. It is available for iOS, Windows,
Windows Mobile, Mac and Palm. They have a version in the works for the
new Windows Phone 7 also.
It comes with its own scripting language also. I have tried it only on
Windows.
As some one suggested, I also like to see HP making an iPAQ Lite
(CalcpaQ? EdupaQ? MathPAQ? GraphPAQ?) which will be acceptable in an
exam hall with reasonable rechargeable batteries.
On Aug 9, 11:43 pm, TranslucentAmoebae <transamoe...@seanet.com>
wrote:
Joel Koltner
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> Thät why I think HP should make a whole new student-iPAQ
> no WiFi, no iRDA, no GPS, no expensive SRAM
> GSM, 3G phones, 800x480 LCD (touch? "pinch"?)
> Camera with led, Lion-battery, mini-USB charching via PC
> Calculator keyboard
> Emulated 49G (yes, the old 49G)
> RPL/2 with full speed and full RAM
> + Parisse's Xciac (or whatever the name is)
Gee, this sounds an awful lot like the Hydrix calculator that never made it to
market.
Interesting that they use the CAD-rendered version of it on their web page
still: http://www.hydrix.com/working/index.php
---Joel
aplnub
iPhone is beyond me. Apple is going to release a device with a screen
size in between the iPhone and iPad. Who really cares about the
students buying this crap, there are enough professionals out there
that would pay for a fast, well polished app it is not even funny.
Number one request I hear when talking to engineers and lab folks.
Maybe the old project "can't remember the name" that was supposed to
come about could get on the iOS and take hold.
Why not?
dman
PDAs are dead, smartphones are the replacement.
And apps are being produced for the iOS/Android/Symbian/WM6.5/etc...
and money being made, but by single developers or small software
development shops. Market isn't there for a big player like HP I
think.
However I agree, I suspect my children will view calculators like I
view slide rulers. An interesting novelty that is fun to play around
with for a few minutes but never something I'd bring around with me
(I'm mid twenties btw).
Joel Koltner
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>However I agree, I suspect my children will view calculators like I
>view slide rulers. An interesting novelty that is fun to play around
>with for a few minutes but never something I'd bring around with me
Perhaps, but it's a ways away: No way is any school going to allow kids to use
their own iPhones or laptops as their calculator while taking exams, so unless
you think the model is going to change to something like all kids using
laptops that are school-controlled (i.e., no wireless technologies, chat
applications, etc.), there's going to be a market for the standalone
calculators for quite some time.
Raymond Del Tondo
>something to be said about having tactile feedback when I press a
>button. When I press a button on my HP48GX, I know exactly which
>button it is, without even looking at the keyboard. I cannot say the
>same for its emulated version (e.g. m48 or m48+)
>
Of course I also prefer a real calc (HP-41 and HP-48GX) ,
but I also like the iPhone incarnations like m48+ .
Especially the m48 plus version offers data import/export
using a built-in webserver, which I can access from my LAN.
This way, I have version 10 of my SpeedUI on myPhone
without too much hassle.
How do the other iPhone RPN calc emulators offer external data storage?
datajerk
i41CX+ can import/export just about anything (programs, HEPAX, files,
flags, entire machine state, etc...). The import/export is to the
local file system. From there you can use iTunes, email, or web.
Frank Pittel
: On Aug 14, 8:24??pm, Frank Pittel <f...@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote:
: > Raymond Del Tondo <Ih8...@nowhere.com> wrote:
: > : "A.L." <lewa...@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
: > :news:acb3661pr8vk3t5pc...@4ax.com...
: > : > On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 17:04:50 -0700 (PDT), Jim Horn: > <jamesludwigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
: >
: > : >
: > : >>Indeed - the day I received my Android phone (HTC Aria - it's
: > : >>muss, no fuss, no chocolate mess.
: > : >
: > : > Too small keys...
: > : >
: > : > A.L.
: > : >
: > : At least m48 (and m48+) for the iPhone offer a simple view,
: > : which reduces the keyboard to the most important keys.
: > : The individual keys claim much more "real estate"
: > : so it's much easier to hit the right virtual button;-)
: >
: > : At least for me this is one of the "killer apps" for the iPhone:-)
: >
: > : HTH
: >
: > : Ray
: >
: > For the iphone I like the 42s emulator. I'm going to be getting an Ipad in the
: > next month or so and can see getting a 4x emulator for it.
: > --
: >
: > -------------------
: > Keep working dumbo needs the money
: I don't like the interface on a cell phone for doing heavy
: calculations. Figuring a tip or your gas mileage is fine on a small
: mobile phone interface. I much prefer the tactile feel of the HP
: calculators (especially the 41CV) over a tiny key board or virtual
: keyboard under glass. It is much faster to have a real machine with a
: real keyboard. IMHO....
It's not to bad. The 42s emulator I have for my iphone makes a noise when you press a
"key". I would prefer a real 42s but I always have my phone with me.
eric
> On Aug 3, 7:09 am, TranslucentAmoebae <transamoe...@seanet.com> wrote:
>> And Start putting RPL Graphic Calculation software into Aps for
>> Substantially superiour phones, pads, PDAs ( if they're still called
>> that )
>> and such...
>
> PDAs are dead, smartphones are the replacement.
>
> And apps are being produced for the iOS/Android/Symbian/WM6.5/etc...
> and money being made, but by single developers or small software
> development shops. Market isn't there for a big player like HP I
> think.
I don't agree. Plenty of big companies have apps for sale in Apple App
Store and are doing well and making a lot of money. There is a market
there for sure.
You proove that if one guy can do this and make it work, surely two HP
programmers could pulle off a great app that would rake in even more
sales. While I am not privy to sales number and margins for these
developers, I imagine they are doing ok because the demand seems to be
there and will only increase.
m48+ with the "Don't Panic" skin is simply amazing. Imagine a totally
customizable calculator that worked on many form factors. Options are
limitless.
Jack
HP should continue making their high quality calculators.
My main gripe is that my BestBuy store has quit carrying HP
calculators - so where do I get the HP50 and which one is the best.
Jack
The great advantage of slide rules is that there are no batteries to
go dead.
My Pickett deci Log Log with 12 scales has now turned a creamy yellow,
which suits me fine. Also, it's instruction manual has uncrumpled
covers and pages.
I think the one great reason to deplore calculators of all kinds is
that today's
people are unable to do easy calculations in their heads (how many of
you when
faced with a multiplication factor the terms for fast reckoning).
When I was a
kid, my first boss (a green grocer) could add a long column in his
head and never short change
either himself of the customer (I later learned his secret was
counting by nines).
Joel Koltner
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On Sep 14, 8:02 am, dman <d...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>The great advantage of slide rules is that there are no batteries to
>go dead.
OK, but besides solar-powered calculators, keep in mind that well-engineered
battery-powered calculators would often run for upwards of a decade. If you
let a slide rule sit in a drawer for years there's a decent chance it'll be
pretty gummed up and unusable too. :-)
Granted, graphing calculators have far shorter battery lives, but they also do
far more than a slide rule every could.
>I think the one great reason to deplore calculators of all kinds is
>that today's
>people are unable to do easy calculations in their heads (how many of
>you when
>faced with a multiplication factor the terms for fast reckoning).
I'd like everyone to learn basic arithmetic and memorizing the multiplication
tables before grabbing a calculator, but if a lot of the population can't do
easy calculations in their heads... well, perhaps that's unfortunate, but so
what? For anyone who needs to do a fair amount of arithmetic, they'll become
proficient at it anyway, and for everyone else it doesn't really matter that
much.
After all, there was a time when most educated person were expected to speak
Latin and know how to hunt and farm for themselves, yet these days none of
these skills are considered mainstream.
---Joel
datajerk
Get m48+ for the iPad. It will emulate with very nice full screen
skins the 48GX, 48GX+MKL, 48SX, and the 49G. It's a universal binary,
so if you have an iPhone or iPod Touch you can use it there too. The
retina display emulated LCD is awesome. m48+ also has a built-in web
server so code transfer to and from is easy.
You can get a 50g from Amazon.com, newegg.com, even hp.com.
Tim Bradshaw
> I'd like everyone to learn basic arithmetic and memorizing the
> multiplication tables before grabbing a calculator, but if a lot of the
> population can't do easy calculations in their heads... well, perhaps
> that's unfortunate, but so what? For anyone who needs to do a fair
> amount of arithmetic, they'll become proficient at it anyway, and for
> everyone else it doesn't really matter that much.
It matters. It matters because we live in a world where people make
important decisions based on numbers, and if you don't understand what
those numbers mean they can, and will, fool you.
Of course, the things you need to be good at are not "can I add two
three-digit numbers quickly" but "is this incidence of such and such a
thing something that is significant?", but onfortunately, without
learning the former you can't become good at intepreting the latter,
for the same reasons you can't become a good piano player without
practicing scales.
And you can't rely on a calculator, or any device, to help you get this
kind of understanding: you have to do it yourself.
Dan
As a high school maths teacher I am dismayed by the poor numeracy
skills of many older students. Numeracy skills are absolutely
essential for students to gain a sound understanding of algebra.
Students with poor numeracy have difficulty expanding and factorising
expressions because they do not know their multiplication table and
become bogged down in finding products and factors of numbers. They
then lose sight of the bigger picture and the underlying concepts. I
like to compare it to someone who doesn't know French trying to read a
paragraph in that language by referring to a dictionary. It takes a
long time and they still may not get the gist of the text. One may ask
"well why bother learning how to factorise a quadratic or
differentiate sin x when a CAS calculator can do it all for you?". I
think this is a good question and Joel touched on this above but it's
more of a question related to the philosophy of education policy. As
long as these topics remain in the maths curriculum, however, students
with poor numeracy will continue to struggle in their final years of
high school. Do calcutators hinder the development of strong numeracy
skills? I don't know but I suspect the answer is not that clear cut. I
think Reverse Polish Notation fosters greater understanding than
Algebraic Notation but my school unfortunately uses TI calculators so
I don't know for sure.
Harold A Climer
I have seen the math skills of students decline over the twenty years
that I have been teaching various Physics,General Science,Astronomy
labs and not quite so much in Oceanography Labs.
They will work on problems and data analysis and take as gospel what
the calculator gives them for an answer, even if it is many orders of
magnitude from the correct value. They have no concept of the idea of
significant figures and will provide an answer with 10 digits when
only three are significant. It is very frustrating.
I even have this problem with Engineering students that take some of
the Physics labs.
Harold A Climer
Department Of Physics,Geology & Astronomy
U.T Chattanooga
RM 406A EMCS Building
615 McCallie Ave.
Chattanooga TN 37493