Off Topic - HP B132L Hardware Used
bcopane...@yahoo.com
I am trying to locate in the U.S. a used working B132L with at minimum
64MB RAM (prefer 128MB) prefer a ST-32151N SCSI-2 Narrow (50 pin)
drive (2.1gb) or equal and a SCSI CR-Rom drive. Graphics card not
required using RS-232 as console port. Would also like the stand.
The system should be fully compatible with HP/UX 10.20.
I am using another as a WEB server and am trying to locate a working
spare.
Yes, I know the B132L and HP/UX 10.20 are the long forgotten children.
Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks
Rick Jones
> I am trying to locate in the U.S. a used working B132L with at
> minimum 64MB RAM (prefer 128MB) prefer a ST-32151N SCSI-2 Narrow (50
> pin) drive (2.1gb) or equal and a SCSI CR-Rom drive. Graphics card
> not required using RS-232 as console port. Would also like the
> stand.
Would you like fries with that?-)
> The system should be fully compatible with HP/UX 10.20.
I'll pick the nit - it is HP-UX, not HP/UX:
$ uname -a
HP-UX tardy B.11.11 U 9000/785 2002119164 unlimited-user license
> I am using another as a WEB server and am trying to locate a working
> spare.
> Yes, I know the B132L and HP/UX 10.20 are the long forgotten
> children.
You might consider expanding your search to the B180L as the
components are, IIRC, interchangable between the two and they are the
same physical size. I have a "server" which happens to be a B180L,
perhaps I should upgrade it one of these days...
I do recall there were some differences - at the time of the B180L the
B132L was "upgraded" to the B132L+ with a core 10/100 network
interface rather than the core 10 Mbit/s interface of the B132L and
B160L (which is also the same size). That new core network interface
required the btlan3 driver rather than the lan2 driver. So, I suppose
there could be an issue with your existing 10.20 boot disc if it
doesn't have btlan3 in it and you wanted to move it over to a "+" or a
B180L... Of course some folks forget to mention the "+" so you may
already have a B132L+... I'm not sure if/how it would appear in the
output of the "model" command...
rick jones
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bcopane...@yahoo.com
The reason I wrote out the description the way I did was to be as
complete
as possible. Knowing with the 2GB narrow SCSI drive it would fit on
my old
DAT drive with 90M tapes without an issue using the HP Support Plus CD
and the 'copyutil' contained therein.
No thanks with regards to "Would you like fries with that?-) ". I'm on
a low
carb. diet. ;-}
Sorry I always use HP/UX knowing it should be HP-UX.
The case is labeled B132L. How can I tell if it is a B132L+? At boot
time? With the Support Plus CD? "Model" command??
Can a B180L install from the same core HP-UX CD as a B132L?
Would the same codewords I have for the B132L work with the B180L?
If I would need it is the 'btlan3' driver available anywhere for HP-UX
10.20?
I've done so searching in the mean time on the net and have not found
and B132L machines yet saving one for about $800 which I think is too
high.
Thanks,
-Ken
bcopane...@yahoo.com
Rick,
Sorry for the long description. I just didn't want to leave any loose
ends :-}
It's those 'loose ends' get will get you.
How do I tell if I have a B132L or B132L+. The pull out tag says
A4190A.
If I were to go down the road of a B180L (or B160L) can I use the same
HP
install CD's? Use the same codewords as used on the B132L?
I have seen a few B160L and B180L and B132L+ however some have F/W
SCSI
and some don't say what's inside. In fact I'm not even sure of what a
fair price is.
Is the btlan3 driver available anywhere on ther net and couldn't that
be added
after the system is built?
I'll pass on the "fries" I'm on a diet. ;-/
Sorry for the HP/UX vs. HP-UX thing I always do that.
I'm new on this usenet thing and am not sure how to add to my post???
-Ken
Ken Old Unix Guy
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Rick Jones
> How do I tell if I have a B132L or B132L+. The pull out tag says
> A4190A.
As I cannot recall the specific product numbers (perhaps
partsurfer.hp.com still does) the way I would do it wold be to check
the output of ioscan to see what driver was driving the core LAN
interface. If there was no OS, then I suppose I could try as late a
10.20 set I could find, or perhaps even some parisc-linux bits long
enough to run an lspci command to see what the core NIC was.
> If I were to go down the road of a B180L (or B160L) can I use the
> same HP install CD's? Use the same codewords as used on the B132L?
Being internal, I never had to use codewords so I'm afraid I cannot
answer that :(
> I have seen a few B160L and B180L and B132L+ however some have F/W
> SCSI and some don't say what's inside.
I suspect that "F/W SCSI" is actually FWD or what folks today call HVD
(IIRC) SCSI. "Back then" HP folks didn't think there would be much in
the way of fast, wide, single-ended external stuff, so didn't add the
"D" to F/W...
> In fact I'm not even sure of what a fair price is.
Got me there.
> Is the btlan3 driver available anywhere on ther net and couldn't
> that be added after the system is built?
It went "core OS" somewhere in one of the 10.20 ACE releases, and then
in 11.0. It was part of the great btlan[3456] to btlan merge in 11.11.
> I'm new on this usenet thing and am not sure how to add to my
> post???
Typically it is done with followup postings on the same thread.
rick jones
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Ken Old Unix Guy
Sorry for the long description. I just didn't want to leave any loose
ends :-}
It's those 'loose ends' get will get you.
How do I tell if I have a B132L or B132L+. The pull out tag says
A4190A.
If I were to go down the road of a B180L (or B160L) can I use the same
HP
install CD's? Use the same codewords as used on the B132L?
I have seen a few B160L and B180L and B132L+ however some have F/W
SCSI
and some don't say what's inside. In fact I'm not even sure of what a
fair price is.
Is the btlan3 driver available anywhere on ther net and couldn't that
be added
after the system is built?
I'll pass on the "fries" I'm on a diet. ;-/
Ken_Old_Unix_Guy
Dennis Handly
> Would the same codewords I have for the B132L work with the B180L?
I seriously doubt it. I think codewords are specific to a machine.
Rick Jones
> Regarding the btlan3 driver the latest CD's I could find are
> 5012-7929 Support Plus 10.20 June 2001 and Kit 5064-1134 10.20 Sept
> 2001.
> Do you think the new lan drivers would be on one of those? I've
> installed patches before on D class servers and B class workstations
> but never installed drivers.
My dimm memory doesn't work well that far back.
> In a previous post you mentioned looking into a B180L. If available
> would a B160L be a good alternative?
From a horsepower point of view it would be a fine alternative to a
B132L. The only drawback I could see _might_ be the 10 Mbit/s only
core NIC. You could always add a btlan5 :) driven add-on PCI 10/100
interface if that were an issue.
rick jones
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Ken_Old_Unix_Guy
Rick,
Thanks for the info. I will try the commands you listed, ioscan and
lspci
and get back to you.
Regarding the btlan3 driver the latest CD's I could find are 5012-7929
Support Plus 10.20 June 2001 and Kit 5064-1134 10.20 Sept 2001.
Do you think the new lan drivers would be on one of those? I've
installed patches before on D class servers and B class workstations
but never installed drivers.
In a previous post you mentioned looking into a B180L. If available
would a B160L be a good alternative?
Thanks,
Ken
Ken_Old_Unix_Guy
> bcopanel-ggr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Would the same codewords I have for the B132L work with the B180L?
>
> I seriously doubt it. I think codewords are specific to a machine.
Dennis,
I kind of figured something along those lines had to be in place.
Well for messing around and not having a lot of extra $$ a B132L that
can run 10.20 should do fine as a spare. Sitting behind a router/fire
wall I
think it will do just fine. The B132L with 10.20 and the applied
patches
seems like a very stable machine.
Thanks,
Ken
Ken_Old_Unix_Guy
Rick,
It turns out the A4190A is a B132L..
Not wanting to risk my 10.20 not loading w/codewords on a different
platform
like a B160L or a B180L I guess my search continues for a B132L with
the
aforementioned hardware configuration and "fries" :-)
Thanks,
Ken
Benjamin Gawert
> Not wanting to risk my 10.20 not loading w/codewords on a different
> platform
If your codewords don't load on a B160L or B180L+ then they won't load
on another B132L, too. IIRC they were machine-specific (ie. specific to
a certain system serial number) and not model-specific.
> like a B160L or a B180L I guess my search continues for a B132L with
> the
> aforementioned hardware configuration and "fries" :-)
If possible I'd check if some of the programs you use which are code
locked aren't available unlocked with later HP-UX versions (some stuff
that was locked on older HP-UX releases was unlocked in later releases).
B1000/B2000/C3xx0 machines are dirt cheap today, way faster, and make
very good servers.
Benjamin
Ken_Old_Unix_Guy
Benjamin,
I had another B132L before that bit the dust big time. Got another
B132L
and from memory I think I had no problems enabling the codewords.
I don't have a B160L or B180L to do an experiment with.
I already have a few spare parts like a couple of hard drives
(ST-32151n),
(64MB) memory, (Original slow) CD-Rom and power supply. That's why
I am trying to find an equal piece of hardware.
If I went down the road of getting a B1000 or B2000 how much would it
cost to purchase HP-UX?
Thanks,
Ken
Ken_Old_Unix_Guy
Rick,
Sorry for the delay.
With regards to the result of an I/O scan to determine lan card type
it follows:
# ioscan
H/W Path Class Description
==============================================
bc
8 bc Pseudo Bus Converter
8/0 unknown GSC-to-PCI Bus Bridge
8/16 ba Core I/O Adapter
8/16/0 ext_bus Built-in Parallel Interface
8/16/1 audio Built-in Audio
8/16/4 tty Built-in RS-232C
8/16/5 ext_bus Built-in SCSI
8/16/5.0 target
8/16/5.0.0 disk SEAGATE ST31230N
8/16/5.2 target
8/16/5.2.0 disk TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-5401TA
8/16/5.3 target
8/16/5.3.0 tape HP HP35480A
8/16/5.6 target
8/16/5.6.0 disk SEAGATE ST32151N
8/16/5.7 target
8/16/5.7.0 ctl Initiator
8/16/6 lan Built-in LAN
8/16/7 ps2 Built-in Keyboard/Mouse
8/16/10 pc Built-in Floppy Drive
8/20 ba Core I/O Adapter
8/20/1 hil Built-in HIL
8/20/2 tty Built-in RS-232C
8/20/5 ba EISA Bus Adapter
8/24 graphics Graphics
62 processor Processor
63 memory Memory
The lspci command did not work.
Thanks,
Ken
Rick Jones
> Sorry for the delay.
I'm in no rush :)
I suspect that if I remembered more about LASI and such (Lan And Scsi
Integrated - a chip that HP pieced together from cells from the Intel
82596, some SCSI cells I cannot recall and some other ancillary bits)
and what it looked like in ioscan output I'd be able to say from the
above. Perhaps someone else does recall - for example, I'm not sure
if the location of the Built-in LAN suggests it was "PCI" or not, if
it is PCI then indeed it was the 10/100 and not the 10Mbit only. At
this point I'm realizing that I should have said "ioscan -fk" to:
a) include the driver name in the output
and
b) use the kernel's existing tree to keep the ioscan command from
running too long - although on a B132 I doubt that the re-walk
would take all that long anyway.
> The lspci command did not work.
It is a Linux command, not HP-UX; I should have been more clear on
that point.
rick jones
--
a wide gulf separates "what if" from "if only"
Benjamin Gawert
> I had another B132L before that bit the dust big time. Got another
> B132L
> and from memory I think I had no problems enabling the codewords.
>
> I don't have a B160L or B180L to do an experiment with.
If it worked with another B132L then it works with B160L and B180L.
> I already have a few spare parts like a couple of hard drives
> (ST-32151n),
Since the B132L can easily handle bigger than 2GB SCSI drives it's IMHO
very useless to stock old slow 2GB drives.
> (64MB) memory
Get 128MB modules at last (better 256MB).
> , (Original slow) CD-Rom and power supply. That's why
> I am trying to find an equal piece of hardware.
Most of these systems are probably already recycled so IMHO it's time to
move on.
> If I went down the road of getting a B1000 or B2000 how much would it
> cost to purchase HP-UX?
Nothing. The license comes with the machine already. Just find a HP-UX
11i v1 CD set (either buy one from ebay, get one donated or borrow one).
Benjamin
Ken_Old_Unix_Guy
>
> - Show quoted text -
Rick,
The ioscan -fnk returned the following:
Class I H/W Path Driver S/W State H/W Type Description
=======================================================================
lan 0 8/16/6 lan2 CLAIMED INTERFACE Built-
in LAN
/dev/diag/lan0 /dev/ether0 /dev/lan0
Ken
Ken_Old_Unix_Guy
Benjamin,
Thanks. I made a mistake. The machine actually has 384MB RAM
not 64MB .
For usage as a small machine another reason I left the 2GB system
disk in place was because the SCSI DAT drive also an old type only
stores 2GB when using the copyutil on the diagnostic CD.
All my data/source files are on an external SCSI 18GB drive.
Ken
Rick Jones
> The ioscan -fnk returned the following:
> Class I H/W Path Driver S/W State H/W Type Description
> =======================================================================
> lan 0 8/16/6 lan2 CLAIMED INTERFACE Built-
> in LAN
> /dev/diag/lan0 /dev/ether0 /dev/lan0
Then that is definitely the 10 Mbit/s only core NIC as the "lan2"
driver (not to be confused with an interface named "lan2" :) was used
to drive the Intel 82596 chips and/or the LASI which had 82596 cells
in it.
rick jones
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Ken_Old_Unix_Guy
Rick,
Thanks. We are talking about a B132L for sure.
Ken