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vaxorcist

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Jun 1, 2009, 4:03:36 AM6/1/09
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Wanted:

EK-HS572-TM HSC50/70 Software Technical Manual (or newer issues)

and

any System Communications Architecture (SCA) / System Communications
Services (SCS) Specifications

Who can help?


Regards,

Ulli

Keith Parris

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Jun 2, 2009, 1:47:32 PM6/2/09
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vaxorcist wrote:
> any System Communications Architecture (SCA) / System Communications
> Services (SCS) Specifications

I haven't seen those released publicly. Roy G. Davis' "VAXcluster
Principles" book is probably the closest available source to these.

vaxorcist

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Jun 3, 2009, 5:06:25 AM6/3/09
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On Jun 2, 7:47 pm, Keith Parris <keithparris_nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> vaxorcist wrote:
> > any System Communications Architecture (SCA) / System Communications
> > Services (SCS) Specifications
>
> I haven't seen those released publicly.

Does that mean they are "confidential"???
I don't need the current version - an older one (even the first one)
would do.
I want to go into details about the SCA/CI-communication between VAXen
and HSCs (HSC50).

> Roy G. Davis' "VAXcluster Principles" book is probably the closest available
> source to these.

Yes, but have you seen the price at Amazon? $445.47 for a used one!
Must be a very special item or printed on gold?

Anyone out there willing to lend me this precious book for a week or
two???

Besides - Google-ing for SCA & SCS resulted in several interesting
articles from you about clustering.
The best ones I ever read about this topic!
SCA/SCS is covered to a certain extent in those articles, so I think
you probably have access to the information I want.

Another source I found (but still not detailed enough) is an Article
from the Digital Technical Journal, Number 5, September 1987:
VAXcluster Systems, pages 24-30: "Darrell J. Duffy: The System
Communication Archticture".

So there's still the plea:

As much info about SCA/SCS protocol & packet internals as possible,
please!


Regards,

Ulli

Richard B. Gilbert

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Jun 3, 2009, 9:47:01 AM6/3/09
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vaxorcist wrote:
> On Jun 2, 7:47 pm, Keith Parris <keithparris_nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> vaxorcist wrote:
>>> any System Communications Architecture (SCA) / System Communications
>>> Services (SCS) Specifications
>> I haven't seen those released publicly.
>
> Does that mean they are "confidential"???
> I don't need the current version - an older one (even the first one)
> would do.
> I want to go into details about the SCA/CI-communication between VAXen
> and HSCs (HSC50).
>
>> Roy G. Davis' "VAXcluster Principles" book is probably the closest available
>> source to these.
>
> Yes, but have you seen the price at Amazon? $445.47 for a used one!
> Must be a very special item or printed on gold?
>
I think it qualifies as a "rare book". It was probably expensive even
when new. Publishing a book involves very high setup costs! You must
either sell a large press-run, or charge an arm and a leg for each of
the 500 copies printed. The cost of paper, and ink, is nothing when
compared with the cost of making the plates, mounting them on the press,
binding, etc.

My wife has published some fan fiction in the Star Trek universe, under
a pseudonym, and also in the "Beauty and the Beast" (TV Show) universe.
The B&B book cost us $4000 up front for 500 copies. I think we still
have a few copies in the basement if anyone is interested!

Michael Moroney

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Jun 3, 2009, 11:20:36 AM6/3/09
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"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilb...@comcast.net> writes:

>I think it qualifies as a "rare book". It was probably expensive even
>when new. Publishing a book involves very high setup costs! You must
>either sell a large press-run, or charge an arm and a leg for each of
>the 500 copies printed. The cost of paper, and ink, is nothing when
>compared with the cost of making the plates, mounting them on the press,
>binding, etc.

These days there are "print-on-demand" publishers that will publish very
small amounts of books in response to orders from places like Amazon.com.
Of course these require starting with a softcopy of the book, not an option
for out-of-print books such as this.

Jur van der Burg

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Jun 4, 2009, 1:43:01 AM6/4/09
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The SCA specs are confidential. I have them, but I had to go through a lot of
legal paperwork to get it (and that was when I worked for DEC), so don't hold
your breath.

Jur.


vaxorcist wrote, On 03-Jun-09 11:06:

P. Sture

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Jun 4, 2009, 9:47:41 AM6/4/09
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In article
<f3f55ec5-8eec-41a7...@n21g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
vaxorcist <vaxo...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Yes, but have you seen the price at Amazon? $445.47 for a used one!
> Must be a very special item or printed on gold?

Ouch. I should have built up a collection of such gems when they were
still in print...

--
Paul Sture

P. Sture

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Jun 4, 2009, 9:52:02 AM6/4/09
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In article <7fadnW3pK42q4rvX...@giganews.com>,

"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilb...@comcast.net> wrote:

> I think it qualifies as a "rare book". It was probably expensive even
> when new. Publishing a book involves very high setup costs! You must
> either sell a large press-run, or charge an arm and a leg for each of
> the 500 copies printed. The cost of paper, and ink, is nothing when
> compared with the cost of making the plates, mounting them on the press,
> binding, etc.
>
> My wife has published some fan fiction in the Star Trek universe, under
> a pseudonym, and also in the "Beauty and the Beast" (TV Show) universe.
> The B&B book cost us $4000 up front for 500 copies. I think we still
> have a few copies in the basement if anyone is interested!

Indeed, an aunt published several books that way. They were rather
specialized, and nowadays are collectors items, but she originally had
to pay to get them published.

--
Paul Sture

Bill Gunshannon

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Jun 4, 2009, 11:29:40 AM6/4/09
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In article <paul.sture.nospam-E...@mac.sture.ch>,

Worse than that, be very careful ordering out-of-print books from
Amazon. I did, once.... A very specific book on a Pascal Compiler.
They charged my credit card immediately. 4 weeks later no book.
Query to Amazon. "It will ship any day now."
8 more weeks, no book. Query Amazon. "Sorry, we could not find a copy
of the book, but we will keep trying."

I canceled the order and then spent several more weeks getting them
to refund the money they had charged me for a book they didn't have
and probably were never going to ship.

bill

--
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bill...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton |
Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

ChrisQ

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Sep 11, 2009, 4:17:59 AM9/11/09
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Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article <paul.sture.nospam-E...@mac.sture.ch>,
> "P. Sture" <paul.stu...@hispeed.ch> writes:
>> In article
>> <f3f55ec5-8eec-41a7...@n21g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
>> vaxorcist <vaxo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, but have you seen the price at Amazon? $445.47 for a used one!
>>> Must be a very special item or printed on gold?
>> Ouch. I should have built up a collection of such gems when they were
>> still in print...
>
> Worse than that, be very careful ordering out-of-print books from
> Amazon. I did, once.... A very specific book on a Pascal Compiler.
> They charged my credit card immediately. 4 weeks later no book.
> Query to Amazon. "It will ship any day now."
> 8 more weeks, no book. Query Amazon. "Sorry, we could not find a copy
> of the book, but we will keep trying."
>
> I canceled the order and then spent several more weeks getting them
> to refund the money they had charged me for a book they didn't have
> and probably were never going to ship.
>
> bill
>
>

I find abe books far better than amazon. A cooperative of 1000's of
booksellers worldwide:

http://www.abebooks.com

I think they are now owned by amazon, unfortunately :-(...

Regards,

Chris

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