Jack Tramiel comes back to Lodz, Poland
Maciej Witkowiak
Jack Tramiel and his family were among those who participated yesterday in Lodz
ghetto rememberance ceremonies. One of Atari fans managed to find them[1] among
crowds of guests, get autographs, talk a bit and take some photos (not yet
available online). Tramiel was quite happy to see that there are still people
interested in his computers but it seems that it just brought him back
memoirs of good, old times.
BBC article about the event, not related to Tramiel:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3606390.stm
Atari guy's relation (in Polish), perhaps photos or link to them will be
posted there:
http://atariarea.histeria.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2097
ytm
[1] actually, Tramiel's son recognized Atari logo on the T-shirt and started
talk
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silverdr
> "Maciej Witkowiak" <y...@elysium.pl.andremowe.me> wrote in message
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>>Not that offtopic, I think.
>>
>>Jack Tramiel and his family were among those who participated yesterday in
>>Lodz
[...]
>>Atari guy's relation (in Polish), perhaps photos or link to them will be
>>posted there:
>>http://atariarea.histeria.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2097
> As soon as you find out the URL, I'll be glad to see.
>
http://atariarea.histeria.pl/parties.php?akcja=pokaz_relke&id=40
Rick Balkins
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silverdr
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>>>As soon as you find out the URL, I'll be glad to see.
>>>
>>
>>http://atariarea.histeria.pl/parties.php?akcja=pokaz_relke&id=40
>
> The old man is still around. That is the TRUE CEO of Commodore.
>
Sometimes we do agree... recently even quite often :-)
Lance Lyon
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> The old man is still around. That is the TRUE CEO of Commodore.
Wow, something I'd even agree with you on Rick :-)
cheers,
Lance
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terminator3
yr later at atari. And what a man he is. He's survived Holocaust and
came to America with nothing (his family all died at hands of Nazis).
I still think its bullshit the way commodore got rid of him.
Rick Balkins
get Tulip thriving as "Commodore". That is a great businessman. That's the
kind of guy to watch and learn from. (Definitely learn from his mistakes but
definitely learn from).
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Zed Yago
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> news:413356df$1...@news.inet.com.pl...
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> > > As soon as you find out the URL, I'll be glad to see.
> > >
> >
> > http://atariarea.histeria.pl/parties.php?akcja=pokaz_relke&id=40
>
> The old man is still around. That is the TRUE CEO of Commodore.
And he looks as fresh and young as a C64.
I am only sorry that no C=-Shirt was weared, kudos to the polish Atari-Scene.
Zed Yago
Alan
> Wish Tulip can get Jack back in charge of Commodore. Hell, he could
> possibly get Tulip thriving as "Commodore". That is a great businessman.
> That's the kind of guy to watch and learn from. (Definitely learn from his
> mistakes but definitely learn from).
>
>
What's kind of funny is how Tramiel is revered as a genius businessman and
all around swell guy on the Commodore discussions, but move over and talk to
the Atari guys and he becomes the Anti-Christ, the guy who destroyed Atari.
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Sam Gillett
"Rick Balkins" <rickbalki...@nospam.wavestarinteractive.com> wrote ...
> The old man is still around. That is the TRUE CEO of Commodore.
Just the CEO? In the beginning, Jack Tramiel _was_ Commodore!
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Change is inevitable,
except from vending machines!
Rick Balkins
Why would Jack Tramiel care about Atari about as much as he did with
Commodore.
Then again - Jack Tramiel didn't kill Atari. His son(s) did. Besides Jack
Tramiel built and founded Commodore. In fact - Jack Tramiel would have made
a difference. In fact, if they let Jack Tramiel back to Commodore - he would
have merge the companies. Heck, Jack Tramiel would have figured a way to
manage both.
Besides, if you spent 30 years building a company - then you get booted from
your company then you buy your competitor that you just destroyed - would
you have the same motivation or care. In fact Jack Tramiel extended the life
of the company for some 10 years.
The 7 years he had direct control of Atari then his let his sons in charge
and they f*cked it up.
Jack actually did well.
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Rick Balkins
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Anders Carlsson
> Wish Tulip can get Jack back in charge of Commodore.
I believe Tulip have all the skilled businessmen they need, and would
not really gain more than "retrotrust" (!) by hiring a 70+ year old
man who used to build up the Commodore brand, but who was kicked out
20 years ago.
But yes, maybe he could be used for advertising matters if enough
people recognize him off a picture.
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Anders Carlsson
Rick Balkins
Remember Thomas Watson Sr. (The guy who built IBM)
He was incredibly OLD by the time his son took over.
Either way, the Watson Era was when IBM was one of the most agressive
business machines companies in history. He and his son were so agressive
that they literally built their IBM center just in front of there
competition. In some case, buys a competitors product and remake them and
even selling them for a lost but creating a customer base to their IBM
stores and not the competitors. Talking low and aggressive while making
their own products.
IBM was known for destroying their competitors and being one of largest
companies the world has ever seen. So much that an Anti-trust case was
established in the 1960s.
So few remember that. So a guy (75 years old) knows the ends and outs of
business.
In fact Jack Tramiel can show these guys a thing or two about business.
Jack knows more about the Commodore and the Commodore business than any of
them can even dream of knowing. Remember it was Jack's business strategy
that made the C64 the world's best selling computer the world has ever seen.
Knowing how to survive the Japanese and IBM and even TI means Jack knows
alot. In fact, he can be the chairman again.
Not only will it get "retrotrust" but a man who knows how to fight.
Remember - "Business is War!!!!" and Jack Tramiel is a skilled veteran which
can only be learned by true experience.
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Riccardo Rubini
> But yes, maybe he could be used for advertising matters if enough
> people recognize him off a picture.
Well, if Jack or his sons were involved in the new Commodore brand, their
collaboration would surely work as an ultimate legitimation.
Riccardo
silverdr
> What's kind of funny is how Tramiel is revered as a genius businessman and
> all around swell guy on the Commodore discussions, but move over and talk to
> the Atari guys and he becomes the Anti-Christ, the guy who destroyed Atari.
>
>
Hm, judging from the fact that the report came on the "Atari devotists"
site and it was one of them who was seeking the man with his Atari logo
on a T-shirt and as well by all the comments and reactions to the fact
that Jacek Trzmiel WAS in fact back here - I would doubt it to be true.
I think it is quite a common knowledge that Atari was basically dead
when JT bought it out and revitalised. I presume without him the Atari's
life would be about 10 years shorter... Most "Atarists" I know rather
agree with that.
silverdr
[...]
> In fact Jack Tramiel extended the life
> of the company for some 10 years.
Oh no, again... I can't believe it! :-)
Lance Lyon
"Alan" <are...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> What's kind of funny is how Tramiel is revered as a genius businessman and
> all around swell guy on the Commodore discussions, but move over and talk
> to the Atari guys and he becomes the Anti-Christ, the guy who destroyed
> Atari.
Truth's out! He never really quit Commodore - it was a devious plot hatched
to destroy the competition :-)
Alan
I'm not claiming that Atari People Hate Tramiel is a universal truth, but if
your expereince with Atari folks gives you the impression that they all love
him, that certainly differs from what I have heard and read.
What I was trying to bring across was how intensely people's feelings are
about Tramiel, both good and bad. It's one of the things that makes him
such an interesting character. I'm not trying to start a debate about what
he did at Atari, though I'd say you're probably right about Atari being
basically too far gone for anyone to save by the time Tramiel came along.
Sam Gillett
"Lance Lyon" <ll...@commodore.thebbs.org> wrote ...
> "Alan" <are...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> What's kind of funny is how Tramiel is revered as a genius businessman and
>> all around swell guy on the Commodore discussions, but move over and talk
>> to the Atari guys and he becomes the Anti-Christ, the guy who destroyed
>> Atari.
>
> Truth's out! He never really quit Commodore - it was a devious plot hatched
> to destroy the competition :-)
If you ask me (and nobody did), Jack was angry about being booted out of
Commodore. He attempted to destroy the Amiga. The Atari ST was his weapon
of choice. ;-)
Sam Gillett
"Rick Balkins" <rickbalki...@nospam.wavestarinteractive.com> wrote ...
> Should we VOTE Jack Tramiel president of Commodore again. :-)
Do you have enough stock in Tulip to even have a vote? ;-)
Rick Balkins
Hell, he has a history in business that spans over 50 years.
Making him the more highest creditial businessman they have
and can provide knowledge in business through experience that
no one has.
It would be nice but $300,000,0000 in stock acquisition can make a dent.
I would say that when it comes to business - Jack has an amazing history
that is categorically "legendary". Heck, he could single-handedly turn
Tulip/Commodore
into a thriving business if he wanted to.
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Lance Lyon
>
> "Lance Lyon" <ll...@commodore.thebbs.org> wrote ...
>
>> "Alan" <are...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>> What's kind of funny is how Tramiel is revered as a genius businessman
>>> and
>>> all around swell guy on the Commodore discussions, but move over and
>>> talk
>>> to the Atari guys and he becomes the Anti-Christ, the guy who destroyed
>>> Atari.
>>
>> Truth's out! He never really quit Commodore - it was a devious plot
>> hatched
>> to destroy the competition :-)
>
> If you ask me (and nobody did), Jack was angry about being booted out of
> Commodore. He attempted to destroy the Amiga. The Atari ST was his
> weapon
> of choice. ;-)
Ok, so he made at leazst *one* mistake during his career then :-)
terminator3
Jordan is done with NBA and sure could come back and play but would he
be the same way as 10-20 yrs ago? I believe a person can give 100% only
at certain points in the lives. I think Tramiel is not interested in
stressing himself in his late years. Reviving Commodore would take a
lot more than Tramiel. We just like to think this b/c we love the
machine. We're the scene so for us its easy to think it can be revived.
Burt
www.museum.c64.org
Rick Balkins
business:
1. Good High Quality products
2. Good High Quality support services
3. Value for the buck. (Usable Functional value for every dollar at an
affordable price)
4->on - Everything else is just specific market specifications.
Advertisement / Public recognition is a major plus.
Every company should build public recognition. Commodore at least has a
recognition status over any no-name company. In some level its legendary and
still has a real world recognition. If you tie Commodore 64 and Commodore -
bingo - you will trigger people's memory.
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> Alan wrote:
>> What's kind of funny is how Tramiel is revered as a genius
>> businessman and all around swell guy on the Commodore
>> discussions, but move over and talk to the Atari guys and
>> he becomes the Anti-Christ, the guy who destroyed Atari.
> I think it is quite a common knowledge that Atari was basically
> dead when JT bought it out and revitalised. I presume without
> him the Atari's life would be about 10 years shorter... Most
> "Atarists" I know rather agree with that.
I think it depends what kind of Atari fan you're talking to...
If it's a computer fan, then they remember the ST, and think
Jack did a pretty good job.
If it's a videogame fan, you think about how he almost didn't
release the 7800, released an old computer in a console guise,
and didn't handle the Lynx and Jaguar very well.
So, the computer guys probably still like and respect Jack,
but the console guys don't like him much at all.
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