Jack Tramiel and his family were among those who participated yesterday in Lodz ghetto rememberance ceremonies. One of Atari fans managed to find them[1] among crowds of guests, get autographs, talk a bit and take some photos (not yet available online). Tramiel was quite happy to see that there are still people interested in his computers but it seems that it just brought him back memoirs of good, old times.
> Jack Tramiel and his family were among those who participated yesterday in > Lodz > ghetto rememberance ceremonies. One of Atari fans managed to find them[1] > among > crowds of guests, get autographs, talk a bit and take some photos (not yet > available online). Tramiel was quite happy to see that there are still > people > interested in his computers but it seems that it just brought him back > memoirs of good, old times.
I always thought Tramiel had the brains for business. Looking at him 1 yr later at atari. And what a man he is. He's survived Holocaust and came to America with nothing (his family all died at hands of Nazis). I still think its bullshit the way commodore got rid of him.
Wish Tulip can get Jack back in charge of Commodore. Hell, he could possibly get Tulip thriving as "Commodore". That is a great businessman. That's the kind of guy to watch and learn from. (Definitely learn from his mistakes but definitely learn from).
"Lance Lyon" <ll...@commodore.thebbs.org> wrote in message
> Wish Tulip can get Jack back in charge of Commodore. Hell, he could > possibly get Tulip thriving as "Commodore". That is a great businessman. > That's the kind of guy to watch and learn from. (Definitely learn from his > mistakes but definitely learn from).
What's kind of funny is how Tramiel is revered as a genius businessman and all around swell guy on the Commodore discussions, but move over and talk to the Atari guys and he becomes the Anti-Christ, the guy who destroyed Atari.
Well, Jack Tramiel never really ran Atari like *HIS* company "Commodore". Why would Jack Tramiel care about Atari about as much as he did with Commodore.
Then again - Jack Tramiel didn't kill Atari. His son(s) did. Besides Jack Tramiel built and founded Commodore. In fact - Jack Tramiel would have made a difference. In fact, if they let Jack Tramiel back to Commodore - he would have merge the companies. Heck, Jack Tramiel would have figured a way to manage both.
Besides, if you spent 30 years building a company - then you get booted from your company then you buy your competitor that you just destroyed - would you have the same motivation or care. In fact Jack Tramiel extended the life of the company for some 10 years.
The 7 years he had direct control of Atari then his let his sons in charge and they f*cked it up.
> What's kind of funny is how Tramiel is revered as a genius businessman > and all around swell guy on the Commodore discussions, but move over and > talk to the Atari guys and he becomes the Anti-Christ, the guy who > destroyed Atari.
"Rick Balkins" <rickbalkins.nos...@nospam.wavestarinteractive.com> writes: > Wish Tulip can get Jack back in charge of Commodore.
I believe Tulip have all the skilled businessmen they need, and would not really gain more than "retrotrust" (!) by hiring a 70+ year old man who used to build up the Commodore brand, but who was kicked out 20 years ago.
But yes, maybe he could be used for advertising matters if enough people recognize him off a picture.
When it comes to business - age doesn't matter. Remember Thomas Watson Sr. (The guy who built IBM) He was incredibly OLD by the time his son took over.
Either way, the Watson Era was when IBM was one of the most agressive business machines companies in history. He and his son were so agressive that they literally built their IBM center just in front of there competition. In some case, buys a competitors product and remake them and even selling them for a lost but creating a customer base to their IBM stores and not the competitors. Talking low and aggressive while making their own products.
IBM was known for destroying their competitors and being one of largest companies the world has ever seen. So much that an Anti-trust case was established in the 1960s.
So few remember that. So a guy (75 years old) knows the ends and outs of business. In fact Jack Tramiel can show these guys a thing or two about business.
Jack knows more about the Commodore and the Commodore business than any of them can even dream of knowing. Remember it was Jack's business strategy that made the C64 the world's best selling computer the world has ever seen. Knowing how to survive the Japanese and IBM and even TI means Jack knows alot. In fact, he can be the chairman again.
Not only will it get "retrotrust" but a man who knows how to fight.
Remember - "Business is War!!!!" and Jack Tramiel is a skilled veteran which can only be learned by true experience.
"Anders Carlsson" <anders.carls...@mds.mdh.se> wrote in message
>> Wish Tulip can get Jack back in charge of Commodore.
> I believe Tulip have all the skilled businessmen they need, and would > not really gain more than "retrotrust" (!) by hiring a 70+ year old > man who used to build up the Commodore brand, but who was kicked out > 20 years ago.
> But yes, maybe he could be used for advertising matters if enough > people recognize him off a picture.
Alan wrote: > What's kind of funny is how Tramiel is revered as a genius businessman and > all around swell guy on the Commodore discussions, but move over and talk to > the Atari guys and he becomes the Anti-Christ, the guy who destroyed Atari.
Hm, judging from the fact that the report came on the "Atari devotists" site and it was one of them who was seeking the man with his Atari logo on a T-shirt and as well by all the comments and reactions to the fact that Jacek Trzmiel WAS in fact back here - I would doubt it to be true. I think it is quite a common knowledge that Atari was basically dead when JT bought it out and revitalised. I presume without him the Atari's life would be about 10 years shorter... Most "Atarists" I know rather agree with that.
> What's kind of funny is how Tramiel is revered as a genius businessman and > all around swell guy on the Commodore discussions, but move over and talk > to the Atari guys and he becomes the Anti-Christ, the guy who destroyed > Atari.
Truth's out! He never really quit Commodore - it was a devious plot hatched to destroy the competition :-)
>> What's kind of funny is how Tramiel is revered as a genius businessman >> and all around swell guy on the Commodore discussions, but move over and >> talk to the Atari guys and he becomes the Anti-Christ, the guy who >> destroyed Atari.
> Hm, judging from the fact that the report came on the "Atari devotists" > site and it was one of them who was seeking the man with his Atari logo on > a T-shirt and as well by all the comments and reactions to the fact that > Jacek Trzmiel WAS in fact back here - I would doubt it to be true. I think > it is quite a common knowledge that Atari was basically dead when JT > bought it out and revitalised. I presume without him the Atari's life > would be about 10 years shorter... Most "Atarists" I know rather agree > with that.
I'm not claiming that Atari People Hate Tramiel is a universal truth, but if your expereince with Atari folks gives you the impression that they all love him, that certainly differs from what I have heard and read.
What I was trying to bring across was how intensely people's feelings are about Tramiel, both good and bad. It's one of the things that makes him such an interesting character. I'm not trying to start a debate about what he did at Atari, though I'd say you're probably right about Atari being basically too far gone for anyone to save by the time Tramiel came along.
>> What's kind of funny is how Tramiel is revered as a genius businessman and >> all around swell guy on the Commodore discussions, but move over and talk >> to the Atari guys and he becomes the Anti-Christ, the guy who destroyed >> Atari.
> Truth's out! He never really quit Commodore - it was a devious plot hatched > to destroy the competition :-)
If you ask me (and nobody did), Jack was angry about being booted out of Commodore. He attempted to destroy the Amiga. The Atari ST was his weapon of choice. ;-)
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Well, I am pretty sure that many would love him involved. Hell, he has a history in business that spans over 50 years. Making him the more highest creditial businessman they have and can provide knowledge in business through experience that no one has.
It would be nice but $300,000,0000 in stock acquisition can make a dent. I would say that when it comes to business - Jack has an amazing history that is categorically "legendary". Heck, he could single-handedly turn Tulip/Commodore into a thriving business if he wanted to.
"Sam Gillett" <samgillettnos...@diespammermsn.com> wrote in message
>>> What's kind of funny is how Tramiel is revered as a genius businessman >>> and >>> all around swell guy on the Commodore discussions, but move over and >>> talk >>> to the Atari guys and he becomes the Anti-Christ, the guy who destroyed >>> Atari.
>> Truth's out! He never really quit Commodore - it was a devious plot >> hatched >> to destroy the competition :-)
> If you ask me (and nobody did), Jack was angry about being booted out of > Commodore. He attempted to destroy the Amiga. The Atari ST was his > weapon > of choice. ;-)
Ok, so he made at leazst *one* mistake during his career then :-)
