CD-ROM weirdness, and System 6 on CD-ROM
Scott Alfter
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I snagged a Sun model 411 external SCSI CD-ROM drive fairly cheaply off of
eBay recently...since the seller was just across town, I drove over and
picked it up this evening. When I plugged it into my IIGS and tried reading
CDs with it, though, it caused the computer to lock up. If a CD was in the
drive at boot time, it wouldn't even finish booting.
The box has a Sony CDU-8012 mechanism inside. I made sure there weren't any
ID conflicts with other devices on the bus, but it still wouldn't work.
When I swapped a Panasonic CR-523 into the case, it worked fine...a pressed
CD-ROM (a NetWare 5 CD) and a CD-R (an SVCD I burned last week) showed up
fine in the Finder. I even opened some of the text files on the NetWare CD.
Is there something odd about the Sony mechanism that Sun used? I figured a
SCSI CD-ROM drive is a SCSI CD-ROM drive. One page I ran across through
Google indicates that Apple used the same mechanism in some of its
products...might there be some difference in firmware between the drives
used by the two companies such that the drive I bought won't work?
If it matters, the other devices on the bus are a Seagate ST34520WC
(Barracudas are dirt cheap nowadays :-) ) and a Wangtek 5525ES. Both are
connected to an Apple High-Speed SCSI Card.
(It only cost me $8, and I was kinda thinking of swapping the mechanism
anyway since the Sony is one of those ghey caddy-loading drives. The
Panasonic that replaced it is a more normal tray-loading drive. Maybe I can
put the mechanism back on eBay, where a Sun owner might be able to use it.)
On another note, has anyone ever put System 6.0.1 on a CD-ROM? It'd beat
doing the floppy shuffle when adding/removing system components or doing a
clean install. I have software (for Linux and Win32) that'll produce HFS
and hybrid CD-ROMs, and I've copied all of the floppies onto the hard drive.
Is it a simple matter of dragging the contents of all of the disks into the
same folder, or is there more to it than that?
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Wayne Stewart
Scott Alfter wrote:
>
> On another note, has anyone ever put System 6.0.1 on a CD-ROM? It'd beat
> doing the floppy shuffle when adding/removing system components or doing a
> clean install. I have software (for Linux and Win32) that'll produce HFS
> and hybrid CD-ROMs, and I've copied all of the floppies onto the hard drive.
> Is it a simple matter of dragging the contents of all of the disks into the
> same folder, or is there more to it than that?
I've made a System 6.0.1 installer CD. Having all the files in one
folder won't do as the installer looks for specific disks with specific
names. What I did was make up a partitioned CD. I did this by taking a
small hard drive and partitioned it into ProDOS partitions. I
transferred the contents of each floppy into a partition and renamed
that partition to whatever that floppies was. Then I did a blind SCSI
copy(device copy) with Toast. The hard drive wasn't mounted at the time
and didn't contain Mac drivers. When done I had a bootable 6.0.1
installer CD.
Wayne
Michael J. Mahon
<snip>
>I have software (for Linux and Win32) that'll produce HFS
>and hybrid CD-ROMs...
Scott, what software do you use for this?
Thanks,
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Scott Alfter
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In article <3E3F5F0E...@telus.spamless.net>,
Wayne Stewart <way...@telus.spamless.net> wrote:
>Scott Alfter wrote:
>> On another note, has anyone ever put System 6.0.1 on a CD-ROM?
>
>I've made a System 6.0.1 installer CD. Having all the files in one
>folder won't do as the installer looks for specific disks with specific
>names.
I found that out the hard way. :-)
>What I did was make up a partitioned CD. I did this by taking a
>small hard drive and partitioned it into ProDOS partitions. I
>transferred the contents of each floppy into a partition and renamed
>that partition to whatever that floppies was. Then I did a blind SCSI
>copy(device copy) with Toast. The hard drive wasn't mounted at the time
>and didn't contain Mac drivers. When done I had a bootable 6.0.1
>installer CD.
Interesting...I was thinking of making a CD with a bunch of >=800K HFS
partitions (since mkisofs doesn't support ProDOS and the IIGS supports
neither Rock Ridge nor Joliet extensions to ISO-9660), but that approach
would necessitate use of a boot floppy. That your CD is bootable
(presumably not El Torito, but something else) is even more interesting.
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Scott Alfter
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In article <20030204022118...@mb-fo.aol.com>,
Michael J. Mahon <mjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>Scott Alfter wrote:
>>I have software (for Linux and Win32) that'll produce HFS
>>and hybrid CD-ROMs...
>
>Scott, what software do you use for this?
http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cdrecord.html
mkisofs (part of cdrecord) does this. For Win32, it builds under Cygwin
(and maybe under mingw32, but I've never tried that). It also builds under
Linux and most other UN*Xish systems (probably under MacOS X as well).
(cdrecord would be an interesting porting project for GNO...while I doubt
that you could burn a CD on a IIGS, you could at least build an ISO that you
could zap across the network to another machine with a burner. You'd have
to create the image to an HFS or AppleShare filesystem, unless your image is
<=16MB.)
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Charlie
"Scott Alfter" <sal...@salfter.dyndns.org> wrote in message
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> I snagged a Sun model 411 external SCSI CD-ROM drive fairly cheaply off of
> eBay recently...since the seller was just across town, I drove over and
> picked it up this evening. When I plugged it into my IIGS and tried reading
> CDs with it, though, it caused the computer to lock up. If a CD was in the
> drive at boot time, it wouldn't even finish booting.
>
> The box has a Sony CDU-8012 mechanism inside. I made sure there weren't any
> ID conflicts with other devices on the bus, but it still wouldn't work.
> When I swapped a Panasonic CR-523 into the case, it worked fine...a pressed
> CD-ROM (a NetWare 5 CD) and a CD-R (an SVCD I burned last week) showed up
> fine in the Finder. I even opened some of the text files on the NetWare CD.
>
> Is there something odd about the Sony mechanism that Sun used? I figured a
> SCSI CD-ROM drive is a SCSI CD-ROM drive. One page I ran across through
> Google indicates that Apple used the same mechanism in some of its
> products...might there be some difference in firmware between the drives
> used by the two companies such that the drive I bought won't work?
>
> If it matters, the other devices on the bus are a Seagate ST34520WC
> (Barracudas are dirt cheap nowadays :-) ) and a Wangtek 5525ES. Both are
> connected to an Apple High-Speed SCSI Card.
Well, since you didn't mention it I'll ask the obvious. Is the SCSI bus
properly terminated?
Charlie
vector
news:3E3F5F0E...@telus.spamless.net:
> Scott Alfter wrote:
>
> I've made a System 6.0.1 installer CD.
ISO? Please? Pretty please with et cetera on top?
Scott Alfter
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Charlie <char...@NOSPAMbboard.com> wrote:
>"Scott Alfter" <sal...@salfter.dyndns.org> wrote in message
>news:QtI%9.7813$tq5.1...@news1.west.cox.net...
>> I snagged a Sun model 411 external SCSI CD-ROM drive fairly cheaply off of
>> eBay recently...since the seller was just across town, I drove over and
>> picked it up this evening. When I plugged it into my IIGS and tried reading
>> CDs with it, though, it caused the computer to lock up. If a CD was in the
>> drive at boot time, it wouldn't even finish booting.
>
>Well, since you didn't mention it I'll ask the obvious. Is the SCSI bus
>properly terminated?
Yes...with an active terminator.
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Scott Alfter
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In article <Xns9318C3B27E23A04...@216.166.71.230>,
I didn't write that...but check out my recent post to comp.binaries.apple2
of a utility you could use to create your own System 6.0.1 ISO (or ISOs of
other Apple II files). I'd put up the System 6.0.1 ISO I made with it, but
the boot-disk image is missing the SCSI drivers needed for it to see all of
the partitions. (There's also no telling how pissed Apple would get, even
though the only-readable-on-a-Mac Disk Copy images are free downloads from
their server.)
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Andy McFadden
> Is there something odd about the Sony mechanism that Sun used? I figured a
> SCSI CD-ROM drive is a SCSI CD-ROM drive. One page I ran across through
> Google indicates that Apple used the same mechanism in some of its
> products...might there be some difference in firmware between the drives
> used by the two companies such that the drive I bought won't work?
Sun's older machines used CD-ROM drives with a different default block
size (2048 vs. 512 if memory serves). The difference appeared to be a
way to encourage you to buy their overpriced CD-ROM drives.
It's been too long since I last dealt with this stuff to remember anything
further about it. Look for FAQs or Smart People(tm) who are wise in the
ways of Sun hardware.
As far as CD-ROM filesystem formats go, don't forget that you can put
ISO-9660, HFS, Joliet, and Rock Ridge formats all on one disc. So you
can please the "we want ISO-9660" crowd while keeping the HFS people happy.
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Scott Alfter
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In article <EZb0a.64231$Ik.26...@typhoon.sonic.net>,
Andy McFadden <fad...@fadden.com> wrote:
>Scott Alfter <sal...@salfter.dyndns.org> wrote:
>> Is there something odd about the Sony mechanism that Sun used? I figured a
>> SCSI CD-ROM drive is a SCSI CD-ROM drive. One page I ran across through
>> Google indicates that Apple used the same mechanism in some of its
>> products...might there be some difference in firmware between the drives
>> used by the two companies such that the drive I bought won't work?
>
>Sun's older machines used CD-ROM drives with a different default block
>size (2048 vs. 512 if memory serves). The difference appeared to be a
>way to encourage you to buy their overpriced CD-ROM drives.
I thought it might be something like that. If there's no way to make it
behave like a normal CD-ROM drive, I'll go ahead and put the mechanism up on
eBay. I have a wide variety of machines at home, from a VIC-20 to a dual
Athlon MP 2100...but there aren't any Suns among them.
>As far as CD-ROM filesystem formats go, don't forget that you can put
>ISO-9660, HFS, Joliet, and Rock Ridge formats all on one disc. So you
>can please the "we want ISO-9660" crowd while keeping the HFS people happy.
Been there, done that. While mkisofs will write a partition table to the
CD, it doesn't appear to be able to create multiple partitions. It
definitely doesn't know anything about ProDOS. I've gone ahead and created
a utility that creates a partition table to string multiple ProDOS
filesystems together into one burnable ISO. With a minor tweak, it'd also
allow the inclusion of HFS filesystems.
I posted the utility last night to comp.binaries.apple2, but the Spanish
spammers crapflooded the group last night and caused the post to expire
before it could leave the Cox news server. Maybe it's just as well, since I
forgot to include the makefile in the tarball I posted. I reposted (through
Newshosting) a fixed version this morning.
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Wayne Stewart
vector wrote:
> Wayne Stewart <way...@telus.spamless.net> wrote in
>>I've made a System 6.0.1 installer CD.
>
>
> ISO? Please? Pretty please with et cetera on top?
An ISO 9660 installer CD could easily be made but it wouldn't be
bootable. You'd have to boot off a System disk that has that FST on it.
Wayne
Wayne Stewart
Scott Alfter wrote:
> Been there, done that. While mkisofs will write a partition table to the
> CD, it doesn't appear to be able to create multiple partitions. It
> definitely doesn't know anything about ProDOS. I've gone ahead and created
> a utility that creates a partition table to string multiple ProDOS
> filesystems together into one burnable ISO. With a minor tweak, it'd also
> allow the inclusion of HFS filesystems.
I'm not familiar with the program but maybe it doesn't need to
understand ProDOS or create multiple partitions. After making up
the partitioned ProDOS hard drive I attached it to a Mac and started
the Mac. Once the Mac had booted I turned on the hard drive. I then
started Toast and chose Device copy. It gave me a list of hard drives
including the one that wasn't mounted. The computer just did a block
copy and didn't know what was on the hard drive.
Wayne
Scott Alfter
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In article <3E41CA26...@telus.spamless.net>,
He might've meant "ISO" in the "CD image" sense, not "ISO-9660" sense. I
just fixed a bug in my partition-table creator and added HFS-partition
support. Between my IIGS, Mac, and Linux server (all networked), I made a
high-density boot floppy with Finder, Teach, ADU, the HFS FST patcher, and
SCSI disk and CD-ROM support. By making that the first partition in the CD
image, I now have a bootable CD that shows all seven of the System 6.0.1
disks when it's inserted (only System.Disk has been changed, the others are
as they were downloaded from Apple).
If anyone's interested, the CD image (less than 3 MB) is available here:
http://alfter.us/files/sys601.zip
Extract sys601.iso from it and burn with your favorite app (Nero works
well).
The updated partition-table generator will be posted to comp.binaries.apple2
momentarily.
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vector
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> He might've meant "ISO" in the "CD image" sense, not "ISO-9660" sense.
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Thank you!
Joel
You can burn it in (High Sierra) ISO 9660? format, but all the filenames
have ";1" appended to them and usually have to be copied to the gs hard
drive and renamed to be used. But its a quick way to transfer megabytes of
files to the GS.
I put a SCSi card in the IBM. You can just copy the IIgs hard drive to a
CD-ROM. It will retain all the partition information. The key thing about a
IIgs is that the file structure on a SCSI hard drive and CD-ROM are
identical.
I also manually created a partition table and concatenated multiple ProDOS
partition images to be burned to a CD. The structure is fairly simple:
partition type, starting block and number of blocks.
Kegs talks about partition table support in its docs, but the Windows ports
I've used don't do this (at least I could get them to). You have to assign
each ProDOS partition separately to a slot and drive (though you can use
pretty big drive numbers)
I never used HFS partitions much. You can probably put up to 63? ProDOS
partitions (max 32M each) on a disk. I've done as many as 40, just to check
it. But after 30 the finder desktop gets full, and dumps the remaining all
on op of each other.
For a CD, 20 or so 32M ProDOS partitions would pretty much fill the CD. You
want to make sure none of the partitions on the CD have the same name as
those on your hard drive. Though if you boot off the CD instead of the hard
drive you might be allowed to rename the hard drive partitions. I think it
asks if you want to rename or eject the CD partitions (and obviously you
can't rename it from the GS.)
Andy McFadden
> You can burn it in (High Sierra) ISO 9660? format, but all the filenames
> have ";1" appended to them and usually have to be copied to the gs hard
> drive and renamed to be used. But its a quick way to transfer megabytes of
> files to the GS.
It is possible to remove the ";1" by creating the image with mkisofs,
though this violates the ISO-9660 standard. (There's a flag for it,
though I can't remember the name.) This came in handy for older versions
of HP-UX, which also showed the ";1".
Marsha
"Joel" <joelbuckley54.nospam.@hotmail.com> wrote in news:9EydnW0FE-
jwJd6j...@comcast.com:
> You can burn it in (High Sierra) ISO 9660? format, but all the filenames
> have ";1" appended to them and usually have to be copied to the gs hard
> drive and renamed to be used.
In Nero there is an option to relax ISO restrictios so that it doesn't add
the ";1" to filenames.
Andy McFadden
>> You can burn it in (High Sierra) ISO 9660? format, but all the filenames
>> have ";1" appended to them and usually have to be copied to the gs hard
>> drive and renamed to be used.
>
> In Nero there is an option to relax ISO restrictios so that it doesn't add
> the ";1" to filenames.
One addendum: this got added somewhere between 5.5.6 and what's current
(5.5.10.7b). Set up a CD-ROM, then File --> Compilation Info --> ISO tab.
If you don't see it, upgrade.
Wayne Stewart
I can't help then as I know zero about non-Apple II images
Wayne