Need help with Marinetti

[pandel]

Hi!

I'm searching for someone who could give me a hand in setting up the
connection between my Apple IIGS and my Linux box. I thought it should be
possile to use the latest Marinetti release with direct connect link layer on
the iigs side and a combination of slattach, route, arp, and such on the linux
side. But it doesn't work. If someone's interested, I can give full detail
about what I've done so far. My gues is that I somehow misconfigured the
serial line on the linux side, or misunderstood the whole thing, but I really
don't know what to do at the moment.

Would be very nice if someone might help me! I'd so much like to setup a
public BBS system like the AOR...

Greetz,
Holger

[D Finnigan]

pandel wrote:
>
> side. But it doesn't work. If someone's interested, I can give full detail

> about what I've done so far. My gues is that I somehow misconfigured the
> serial line on the linux side, or misunderstood the whole thing, but I
> really
> don't know what to do at the moment.

When I wanted to test a serial connection, I wrote a short Perl script to
echo an endless stream of zeroes to the serial port. If these zeroes showed
up on the Apple, then I knew that the connection was working.

[Polymorph]

On Oct 20, 9:12 am, "pandel" <pan...@a2central.com.remove-zvp-this>
wrote:

Its been a little while since I played with Marinetti, however, I
think you will want to use the SLIP link layer, *not* the Direct
Connect link layer. IIRC, the Direct Connect link layer is for
creating a connection using the Windows (2000 or less) Direct
Connection feature.

Hopefully my memory is serving me well and that this helps!

Cheers,
Mike

[pandel]

To: dog_cow

Generally I know that the connection is working, because I'm able to use
ADTPro for booting and disc transfer. It must have something to do with
Marinetti setup...

[pandel]

To: Polymorph
> On Oct 20, 9:12=A0am, "pandel" <pan...@a2central.com.remove-zvp-this>

> wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I'm searching for someone who could give me a hand in setting up the
> > connection between my Apple IIGS and my Linux box. I thought it should be
> > possile to use the latest Marinetti release with direct connect link

> > laye=

> r on
> > the iigs side and a combination of slattach, route, arp, and such on the

> > =

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> > side. But it doesn't work. If someone's interested, I can give full

> > detai=

> l
> > about what I've done so far. My gues is that I somehow misconfigured the
> > serial line on the linux side, or misunderstood the whole thing, but I

> > re=

> ally
> > don't know what to do at the moment.
> >
> > Would be very nice if someone might help me! I'd so much like to setup a
> > public BBS system like the AOR...
> >
> > Greetz,
> > Holger
>
> Its been a little while since I played with Marinetti, however, I
> think you will want to use the SLIP link layer, *not* the Direct
> Connect link layer. IIRC, the Direct Connect link layer is for
> creating a connection using the Windows (2000 or less) Direct
> Connection feature.

> Hopefully my memory is serving me well and that this helps!

> Cheers,
> Mike

Hi Mike,

sounds interesting. I don't really know waht this direct connect thing is,
that Windows offers, but I'll give it a try. If nothing works, I'll setup a
slip server on the linux side. But many thanks for the hint.

Bye,
Holger

[Jeff Blakeney]

To: Polymorph

Polymorph wrote:
> Its been a little while since I played with Marinetti, however, I
> think you will want to use the SLIP link layer, *not* the Direct
> Connect link layer. IIRC, the Direct Connect link layer is for
> creating a connection using the Windows (2000 or less) Direct
> Connection feature.

The DirectConnect link layer is more for being able to directly connect
two machines running Marinetti. There was another link layer written by
Andrew Roughan that allowed connecting using the Windows Direct
Connection feature by adding support for MS-CHAP2 authentication but I
can't remember what it was called.

The SLIP, PPP or PPP (scripted) link layers are better to use when
trying to connect to a Linux box. I haven't tried to do this sort of
thing for about 10 years but I seem to recall using slipd or pppd on the
Linux side after configuring the serial port appropriately.

[Polymorph]

On Oct 22, 5:07 am, "Jeff Blakeney"

Yes, you are correct. I just went to the Marinetti site to refresh my
memory. It is the PPP (scripted) link layer you use to connect to
Windows (2000 or less). You need to write an appropriate script to
communicate with the Windows "Direct Connect" feature (which uses MS-
CHAPv1 - but as typical with MS, the implementation varies slightly
between releases of Windows). I played around with this a couple of
years ago, but could not get it to work when running the host
operating system (I think I tried Win98) in a virtual machine. I must
have another crack at it when I get time...

Sorry for the mis-information regarding the "Direct Connect" link
layer (my memory sucks!).

You're still advised (as Jeff and I pointed out) to use the SLIP or
PPP link layers when connecting to Linux however.

Cheers,
Mike

[Holger Pandel]

Mike, Jeff, many thanks for your support! Two days ago I tried to get it to
work with the PPP (scripted) layer but with no luck. Somehow it connected to
pppd on my linux machine, but it doesn't transfer the given credentials and
I can't get pppd to ignore pap/chap. I'll give it a try with a slip server
config. Also, I thought it might have something to do with the cable I use,
but I've absolutely no problem with adtpro or proterm(gs)/minicom(linux).

[Polymorph]

If you are trying to connect to pppd, I would have thought the normal
PPP link layer (i.e. non scripted) would be sufficient. I assume you
edited the connection script for PPP (scripted)? I *think* the script
that comes with PPP (scripted) is tailored for use with Windows 9x
"Direct Connection" (I could be wrong here).

Andrew Roughan is the best guy to answer all of these questions though
as he is the maintainer of Marinetti, and knows it inside and out.

cheers,
Mike

[Holger Pandel]

Hi Mike!

I'll try to contact him, thanks!

Greetz,
Holger

[roughana]

Holger Pandel wrote:
> PPP (scripted) layer connected to pppd on my linux machine, but it doesn't transfer the given credentials

> and I can't get pppd to ignore pap/chap.

What version of the ppp link layer are you using?
(navigate to *:system:TCPIP within Finder and use Open-Apple-I(nfo) on
the PPPx (scripted) link layer file.

Any version should support PAP. However only 1.3d4 and above will
support CHAP. These are available for separate download from Marinetti
home page.
In order to use CHAP, you will need Hash Tool installed, a freeware
Apple IIgs toolset by Geoff Weiss, which generates hash codes. It may
be downloaded at the following URL: http://hashtool.gwlink.net
If Hash Tool is not installed then CHAP authentication is not
possible, and if the server that you are connecting to requires CHAP
then all attempts to authenticate will fail.

> I'll give it a try with a slip server config.

This is a much simpler connection option with lower overhead than PPP.
Have you tried this?

Polymorph wrote:
> I *think* the script that comes with PPP (scripted) is tailored for use with Windows 9x
> "Direct Connection" (I could be wrong here).

You have windows connectivity on the brain! No, the script is not
tailored specifically for that use.

> Andrew ... knows [Marinetti] inside and out.
Actually, I'd be lost without the RFCs when looking at the inside.

Hope this helps you get a bit further. Sorry I can't help with the
Linux side.

Regards,
Andrew