6th Nov, 2009 - Announcing the rebirth of the Apple IIgs
Toinet
Today is the day. It is now time to give our beloved Apple IIgs a new
birth. Please visit: http://www.brutal-deluxe.fr/vulgate/
I hope that freeing the source code will help you understand the
inners of the computers as well as be used as a base for a ROM update.
Today's first package deals with 3.5 drives, drivers and controller
boards:
- Firmware: AppleDisk 3.5, SmartPort (marketing name of Protocol
Converter)
- GS/OS: AppleDisk 3.5, UniDisk 3.5
- NuMustang (Apple's FDHD controller board): slot and ROM codes
The latest version of the Apple IIgs firmware softswitches equates is
also downloadable.
Enjoy,
Antoine Vignau
Brutal Deluxe Software
roughana
I see lots of catalog listings but only one bit of content.
Regards,
Andrew
sfahey
Re: 6th Nov, 2009 - Announcing the rebirth of the Apple IIgs
By: Toinet to comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.apple2.programmer,comp.emulators.apple2 on Fri Nov 06 2009 02:58 pm
> Today is the day. It is now time to give our beloved Apple IIgs a new
> birth. Please visit: http://www.brutal-deluxe.fr/vulgate/
The cat is out of the bag now.
Sean Fahey
www.a2central.com
bbs.a2central.com
Toinet
> I'm not sure that everything is as 'free' as you intended.
> I see lots of catalog listings but only one bit of content.
>
Please read again what is written: "Today's first package deals with
3.5 drives, drivers and controller
boards: "
It is an answer to the Protocol Converter/Smartport tread on csa2.
> Regards,
> Andrew
antoine
a2retro
Hi Andrew,
Most of the pages have a link @ the top of the page to a zip file with
source code.
Glenn
a2retro
Hi Andrew,
a2retro
Hi Andrew,
Toinet
wrote:
If needed, I may add a disk icon ;-)
antoine
a2retro
Hi Antoine,
I had a brief look at some of your files earlier but the web pages are
missing now .. are you redoing them?
Glenn
a2retro
Hi Antoine,
a2retro
Hi Antoine,
Toinet
wrote:
Hi All,
I have been kindly asked to remove them. I just left the image ;-)
antoine
D Finnigan
>>
>> Hi Antoine,
>>
>> I had a brief look at some of your files earlier but the web pages are
>> missing now .. are you redoing them?
>>
>> Glenn
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have been kindly asked to remove them. I just left the image ;-)
>
> antoine
>
I too have the same inquiry: what happened?
Michael J. Mahon
> To: Toinet
....
Glen, for some reason, your posts are appearing 3 times in each of the
three crossposted newsgroups. Perhaps this is a configuration problem
affecting only crossposted messages--maybe an A2 Central config issue?
-michael
NadaNet 3.0 for Apple II parallel computing!
Home page: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon/
"The wastebasket is our most important design
tool--and it's seriously underused."
Toinet
I was told I have not been given the items for public use.Therefore,
it will remain private at that time.
antoine
D Finnigan
> a2retro wrote:
>> To: Toinet
> ....
>
> Glen, for some reason, your posts are appearing 3 times in each of the
> three crossposted newsgroups. Perhaps this is a configuration problem
> affecting only crossposted messages--maybe an A2 Central config issue?
>
Posts by 'a2retro' appear to be multi-posted instead of cross-posted.
Probably something with the newreader being used.
D Finnigan
Sounds like someone has it in for the Apple II community. :-/
Michael J. Mahon
Nope--they are both multi-posted and cross-posted. Thunderbird here.
No other cross-posts show any problems.
a2retro
Hmm well I only see my own posts once. I am using Thunderbird and have
been for years. I do post via a2central and haven't had any issues
before that I am aware of.
Not sure whats going on
Glenn
a2retro
Michael J. Mahon wrote:
a2retro
Michael J. Mahon wrote:
David Empson
Definitely odd. What I'm seeing is three independent messages (they have
unique message IDs).
All three were posted from the same server with the same timestamp.
For example, with the message to which I'm replying, the three copies
have message IDs:
<4AF75869.869....@a2central.com>
<4AF75869.2437....@a2central.com>
<4AF75869.1403...@a2central.com>
Given the mention of the newsgroup names in each of the message IDs, it
looks suspiciously like a bug in that news server, where it is
implementing cross-posting by creating the message separately in each
newsgroup, resulting in different message IDs on a single article in
each group.
When those articles arrive on another news server, they are treated as
three independent articles, and the other server is doing the cross-post
of each (as per the Newsgroups header). Subsequent servers maintain this
arrangement. This means everyone other the the OP's news server is
seeing each article in triplicate.
--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz
Geoff Body
>I was told I have not been given the items for public use.Therefore,
>it will remain private at that time.
Thats a shame for now about public access.
I have patches for the Remote boot code and was interested in the
mistakes made in programming that occured in logon code which appears
in the "ProDOS16 Image", "Apple //e Boot Blocks" and I think the other
was the application "Start".
I would also have been interested in expanding the MSDOS.FST to
support harddisk partitions and expanding support to include Fat32
filesystems.
Is that the code for GS/OS 6.0.1 as I breifly saw reference to the
Ethernet driver in the source names?
Was there any source for the ethernet card firmware?
Geoff
sfahey
Re: Re: 6th Nov, 2009 - Announcing the rebirth of the Apple IIgs
By: dog_cow to comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.apple2.programmer,comp.emulators.apple2 on Sun Nov 08 2009 09:01 pm
> Sounds like someone has it in for the Apple II community. :-/
On the contrary, someone is trying to legalize and legitimize what Antoine did.
Sean Fahey
www.a2central.com
bbs.a2central.com
Oracle
wrote:
>
> On the contrary, someone is trying to legalize and legitimize what Antoine did.
>
I hope that "someone" can obtain it.
Mauro
D Finnigan
> To: dog_cow
> Re: Re: 6th Nov, 2009 - Announcing the rebirth of the Apple IIgs
> By: dog_cow to
> comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.apple2.programmer,comp.emulators.apple2 on Sun
> Nov 08 2009 09:01 pm
>
> > Sounds like someone has it in for the Apple II community. :-/
>
> On the contrary, someone is trying to legalize and legitimize what Antoine
> did.
>
The both of us had an email conversation and he explained the situation to
me.
Toinet
The 6th of November 2009 was meant to be the Apple IIgs renewal day,
it failed to be. The 9th of November 2009 is the day of explanation
you can read at http://www.brutal-deluxe.fr/vulgate/index.html
D Finnigan
> Dear All,
>
> The 6th of November 2009 was meant to be the Apple IIgs renewal day,
> it failed to be. The 9th of November 2009 is the day of explanation
> you can read at http://www.brutal-deluxe.fr/vulgate/index.html
>
Thank for the explanation. :-)
D Finnigan
Thanks for the explanation. :-) I hope that everything works out well.
amart...@gmail.com
I didn't want to chime in on this, but I now feel the need to put
this
to bed. To keep this all very simple, the source code is private---
why, because its Apple's and no one from Apple has given the
permission to release it as opensouce. Therefore, to not run into
legal problems, and to respect the wishes of the people who shared
the
source with Antoine, all was removed. When the time is right and the
permission is granted, it will be available for all to have.
Until then, there is no sense even bothering asking as this is NOT be
released.
A2Aviator
prolonged exposure to Happy Source Ball.
Caution: Happy Source Ball may suddenly accelerate your system to
dangerous speeds. Happy Fun Ball contains a software core, which if
compiled improperly could rupture should not be copied, disassembled,
or looked at.
Do Not Taunt the Happy Source Ball.
Oracle
> On Nov 9, 10:05 am, Oracle <oraclemas...@inwind.it> wrote:
>
> > On 9 Nov, 15:00, "sfahey" <sfa...@a2central.com.remove-6gk-this>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On the contrary, someone is trying to legalize and legitimize what Antoine did.
>
> > I hope that "someone" can obtain it.
>
> > Mauro
>
> I didn't want to chime in on this, but I now feel the need to put
> this
> to bed.
You're are late, very late.... nearly asynchronous.
Antoine explained his reason in a more fine ways two days ago.
Bye.
Mauro
Steven Hirsch
> why, because its Apple's and no one from Apple has given the
> permission to release it as opensouce.
I'll be astounded if Apple ever provides such permission. Still, one can hope.
D Finnigan
I'll be astounded if Apple even gives a hoot about this old stuff.
John B. Matthews
<2fb187fa-7f7a-4fe8...@a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
A2Aviator <a2av...@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh, I'm sure it's perfectly safe inside an emulator. I'm compiling it
right no#`%${%&`+'${`%&NO CARRIER
?HUBRIS ERR
]
--
John B. Matthews
trashgod at gmail dot com
<http://sites.google.com/site/drjohnbmatthews>
schmidtd
> Steven Hirsch wrote:
Giving a hoot or not is irrelevant. It's very easy for a lawyer to
say, "no." If they say "yes" in an official capacity, it means more
work for them.
A2Aviator
Perhaps the Sourceror has something of use anyway..
D Finnigan
No, it's not irrelevant.
One has to always consider the financial incentive:
1.) Are they still making a profit?
2.) Are we making a profit?
If the answers to both questions is 'No', then the chances of legal action
fall to almost zero. Sending out lawyers costs money. If a company is
neither gaining nor losing money over a product, then they aren't going to
pay for legal action.
A2Aviator
> Sending out lawyers costs money.
But .... Setting, establishing and defending a precedent is also part
of it.
At the "IIgs College" sessions in the very early KansasFest/A2 Central
era, the Apple engineers made comments of the Toolbox being patented
in some form or such. There's potentially more hurdles and more
reasons not to, than to.
Giving nod requires they spend resources on it too.
Sheppy
> At the "IIgs College" sessions in the very early KansasFest/A2 Central
> era, the Apple engineers made comments of the Toolbox being patented
> in some form or such. There's potentially more hurdles and more
> reasons not to, than to.
The only patent I'm aware of involved in the Toolbox is Apple's patent
for the design of their Region data structure. That patent has expired
by now.
Sheppy
Toinet
From what I see in my company which is a cable manufacturer, one
important part is IP (Intellectual Property), patent deposit and
protection.
That will be the same with Apple to which I will add Apple's wish to
be seen as the former Apple II maker or not.
Before our today's episode, I had already disassembled the complete
system software and firmware, did several updates to existing Apple II
components (e.g. FSTs) with no trouble from Apple.
But we are a step beyond and we must be sure to be authorized by Apple
to do now what we used to do before.
Antoine
Steven Hirsch
Exactly my experience. No attorney ever got their employer into an IP rights
hassle by saying "no" to loosening controls. It's the default answer, along
with the famous "..it depends..".
A2Aviator
> Exactly my experience. No attorney ever got their employer into an IP rights
> hassle by saying "no" to loosening controls. It's the default answer, along
> with the famous "..it depends..".
..and at least in America ... 'Depends' .. is a holder for shjt, so...
Steven Hirsch
> No, it's not irrelevant.
>
> One has to always consider the financial incentive:
> 1.) Are they still making a profit?
> 2.) Are we making a profit?
>
> If the answers to both questions is 'No', then the chances of legal action
> fall to almost zero. Sending out lawyers costs money. If a company is
> neither gaining nor losing money over a product, then they aren't going to
> pay for legal action.
That's not the entire issue. The body of code may contain (among things):
- Third-party IP that Apple is licensing and which cannot be disclosed by the
terms of that license.
- Trade-secrets.
- Source code that could be twisted by a patent troll as evidence of
infringement. This is certainly possible to reverse-engineer from object
code, but it's a lot easier if you hand it to them in source form.
These are all reasons for a vendor to keep tight control of code bases even in
the case where they do not produce revenue!
Steve