The earth is flat!
Chance
Did you know there's a group operating in the United States claiming
that the earth is flat? Regardless of the pictures returned from
missions in space, mathematics, and seeing the horizon at 32,000 feet,
these people still insist that the earth is flat.
I find it quite amazing that AppleII users can hang on to a computer
that is not only dying, but has been dead for some time. And not only do
they continue hanging on by what's left of their fingernails, they even
defend Apple Computer. Absolutely, completely, amazing!!!
First of all, Apple Computer promised to support the AppleII well
into the 90's. However, at the beginning of this year, it was announced
that Apple Computer would no longer manufacture the AppleIIgs.
Second of all, the new technologies of which I speak are not available
for the AppleIIgs. For example, in WordPerfect 6.0 (which is only $279
incidentally) I can type a letter and FAX it to anyone with the touch of
a button - all from within WordPerfect!!!
This type of blind mentality is not only amazing, it makes one wonder
how man ever emerged from the dark ages. At least some of us have moved
on and entered the age of enlightenment!
Eric S. Ford
In a previous article, cha...@liberty.com (Chance) says:
>Did you know there's a group operating in the United States claiming
>that the earth is flat? Regardless of the pictures returned from
>missions in space, mathematics, and seeing the horizon at 32,000 feet,
>these people still insist that the earth is flat.
>
>I find it quite amazing that AppleII users can hang on to a computer
>that is not only dying, but has been dead for some time. And not only do
>they continue hanging on by what's left of their fingernails, they even
>defend Apple Computer. Absolutely, completely, amazing!!!
I don't normally like to get involved in pointless discussions such as this
but I'm in a bad mood today so here goes. WHAT AN ELITEIST PIECE OF CRAP!
What could it possibly mean to you whether someone uses an Apple II or some
other system? That is, unless you're a salesman for a competitor.
>First of all, Apple Computer promised to support the AppleII well
>into the 90's. However, at the beginning of this year, it was announced
>that Apple Computer would no longer manufacture the AppleIIgs.
By your definition Ford Motor Co is not supporting its customers since it
closed the production line for the 1957 T-bird. Get real! Support has
nothing to do with selling additional units, it has to do with insuring
those already sold continue to be useable and useful. In that regard
Apple is keeping their word. I can still buy parts and peripherals, I
can still get repair service, and my operating system has been upgraded
to allow me to expand the utility of my systemand interface with new
products not available when my system was new. Some of these improvements
were introduced AFTER the production line was closed.
>Second of all, the new technologies of which I speak are not available
>for the AppleIIgs. For example, in WordPerfect 6.0 (which is only $279
>incidentally) I can type a letter and FAX it to anyone with the touch of
>a button - all from within WordPerfect!!!
This is not "new technology" but merely an example of the implementation
of existing technology through a software program. The fact that it has
been incorporated within one program is irrelevant. Consider the user
who doesn't deal in wordprocessing as his main tool. Is this FAX capability
available in Powerpoint for sending charts or slides? How about in
Microsoft Project for sending essential program management information and
resource requirements? Your focus is too narrow, sir. In the example you cite
it is simply a nice utility, not the end all item which obviates the need
for additional software.
>This type of blind mentality is not only amazing, it makes one wonder
>how man ever emerged from the dark ages. At least some of us have moved
>on and entered the age of enlightenment!
By this declaration I suppose you are declaring yourself to have made that
move, eh? Let's see then, I expect you already have a High-definition TV
set? Surely a video-phone, as well? Certainly you don't drive a car
manufactured earlier than 1993! Or better yet, an electric car! All of
these things represent "mature" technology but not everyone needs them.
That is clearly the case with most of us Apple II users. That system was
first and foremost a home computer and still fills that niche quite nicely.
I, for one, have never needed a FAX capability at home. I certainly don't
need it so much that its access "with the touch of a button" determines
not only the software I use but the system I buy to host it on. If you
had suggested that anyone now entering the market for a computer consider
these features then you might have had some credibility. But to attack
people for their determination to continue to get benefit from their
prior investment is frankly stupid on your part. Rather than admonish us
to enter some poorly defined "age of enlightenment" you ought to admonish
yourself to grow up and mind your own business.
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Eric S. Ford ag...@yfn.ysu.edu
Mark Manning
wrote:
Actually, the only comment I have to make is that putting the term
"WordPerfect" and "new technologies" together on the same line makes
it an oxymoron. :)
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it all ran. Like life. Forever slipping away. - Mark Manning
Just a Guy Made of Dots and Lines
so are most GS users I know...
Maybe those gasses coming off the chip are affecting your brain.
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| pissed" - Black Francis| Okay, now just who's opinion is that up there?
Ian Schmidt
I should leave this to James Brookes, because he's much better at it than I
am, but I'll take a whack anyway :)
>First of all, Apple Computer promised to support the AppleII well
>into the 90's. However, at the beginning of this year, it was announced
>that Apple Computer would no longer manufacture the AppleIIgs.
Support != Manufacture. Apple just released new system software, which is
fine support considering the corporate situation.
>Second of all, the new technologies of which I speak are not available
>for the AppleIIgs. For example, in WordPerfect 6.0 (which is only $279
>incidentally) I can type a letter and FAX it to anyone with the touch of
>a button - all from within WordPerfect!!!
You'd be surprised. This is in beta test at at least 2 places I know of.
(FAXing, not WP 6).
>This type of blind mentality is not only amazing, it makes one wonder
>how man ever emerged from the dark ages. At least some of us have moved
>on and entered the age of enlightenment!
Enlightenment is not doing what's popular or cool. True enlightenment comes
from within, and from doing what gets the things done in life which are
important to -you-. Anything else is being dishonest and ultimately damaging
to yourself. Read a couple of books by Ayn Rand and tell me what you've
learned...
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Lynda Botez
: Did you know there's a group operating in the United States claiming
Oh, come on! What I can't believe it that you would lower yourself
(obviously, you're a much more sophisticated and contempory than the
rest of these "peons" here in the Apple II arena <snark, snark)).
Get outa here, dude. Go back to pc land. Enjoy your enlightenment; and
leave the choices to the individual. To each his own, the saying goes.
Brian Clark
>[ lots of stuff raging about Apple and the Apple II ]...
>
> At least some of us have moved on and entered the age of enlightenment!
Obviously you don't care about Apple or the Apple II, so why don't you
"move on" to a different newsgroup?
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Mark Manning
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> to yourself. Read a couple of books by Ayn Rand and tell me what you've
> learned...
>
>
> --
> Ian Schmidt |"And so it crept out of the atomic mists --the incredible
> Two Meg Software | Silverware Creature. Its only goal: to destroy
> irs...@iastate.edu | mankind as we know it -- spooning and forking its way to
> IRS...@aol.com | world domination" - J.M. DeMatteis, X-Factor #94.
Here - here! I read a couple of her books and they have had a most
profound
influence upon my life. They made me see what it was that people wanted
from me. Even though this is off of the subject, I have to say that I
think everyone should read Atlas Shrugged at least.
D.I. Seah
>
>I find it quite amazing that AppleII users can hang on to a computer
>that is not only dying, but has been dead for some time. And not only do
>they continue hanging on by what's left of their fingernails, they even
>defend Apple Computer. Absolutely, completely, amazing!!!
>
>[new technologies not available for IIgs]
>
>This type of blind mentality is not only amazing, it makes one wonder
>how man ever emerged from the dark ages. At least some of us have moved
>on and entered the age of enlightenment!
It's interesting that you mention "blind mentality", because you are
exhibiting that very attribute. Having the courage to make those tentative
crawlings toward the future is, as you imply, a valuable asset. However, the
ability to work with what we have now is just as desirable. That's what
the foundations of Applied Science and Engineering are built on. Both
qualities together create a dynamic force that encourages the evolution
of ideas. To discount either element is naive.
For many people, the Apple IIGS does exactly what they need. It's true that
many of the coolest buzz technologies are not implemented on the IIGS first,
but that hardly means that the machine is "dead". If it was dead, no one
would be using it. Clearly, that is not the case if you read this group and
its companion comp.sys.apple2.programmer. The level of activity may seem
soporific compared to the fast-moving MSDOS and Macintosh markets, but
that doesn't mean it isn't there.
If you need the fancy software and speed, then moving on to another platform
is a reasonable move. I use a lot of high res graphics products on machines
other than my Apple IIGS because that's what my career is moving towards.
When I bought my PC, I didn't leave the Dark Ages and burst into a
Renaissance of New Ideas. My previous experience with Apple IIs
was the foundation upon which I built. Knowledge of assembly language,
operating systems, and common applications on the II translated quite
handily to other computers in college. My explorations with color graphics
on the IIgs was immensely illuminating, and serve me well now as I pursue
fields other than engineering. Perhaps I am not as lucky as you to have
found Enlightenment in FAXing a document from your word processor.
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- Rochester Institute of Technology - School of Imaging Arts and Science -
Richard J Wifall
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Jawaid Bazyar
>I find it quite amazing that AppleII users can hang on to a computer
>that is not only dying, but has been dead for some time. And not only do
>they continue hanging on by what's left of their fingernails, they even
>defend Apple Computer. Absolutely, completely, amazing!!!
Who defends Apple Computer?
>Second of all, the new technologies of which I speak are not available
>for the AppleIIgs. For example, in WordPerfect 6.0 (which is only $279
>incidentally) I can type a letter and FAX it to anyone with the touch of
>a button - all from within WordPerfect!!!
Like this is some AMAZING technology or something. Big deal. It's a printer
driver that sends data to a faxmodem. One is being written for the IIGS.
"Only" $279? I didn't pay that much for my last _hard drive_. IIGS
development is slowly gaining ground as hobbyists fill the void the
big software publishers left when they became "enlightened".
>This type of blind mentality is not only amazing, it makes one wonder
>how man ever emerged from the dark ages. At least some of us have moved
>on and entered the age of enlightenment!
Heh. This must be a joke, the poster is definitely too wacked out to be
serious.
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Procyon, Inc. | me about GNO/ME for the Apple IIgs!
baz...@cs.uiuc.edu | P.O Box 620334
--Apple II Forever!-- | Littleton, CO 80162-0334 (303) 781-3273
us...@msuvx2.memst.edu
> cha...@liberty.com (Chance) writes:
>
> Heh. This must be a joke, the poster is definitely too wacked out to be
> serious.
If I remember correctly, didn't he post something similar a couple of
semesters ago? And created a relatively big furor... ;-)
> Jawaid Bazyar | Like UNIX? Like your Apple IIGS? Then ask
> Procyon, Inc. | me about GNO/ME for the Apple IIgs!
> baz...@cs.uiuc.edu | P.O Box 620334
> --Apple II Forever!-- | Littleton, CO 80162-0334 (303) 781-3273
So, Jawaid... where is Telcom II? Is it still in development? Or are
you dropping it? Or...?
-Tai "who's still waiting for Gno 2.0 from RC and who thinks about the even
longer wait for Telcom II...."
Robert Church
RE: the earth is flat.
The screen of my //c, which I use for computing and as a terminal is
flat. Therefore, yes, the world is flat.
Bob Church
Jason Lee Weiler
My point of view:
As long as we're all leaving the II and going on to something bigger and better...SCREW the PC. I personally went out and bought an INDY II with all the fixin's. But then, it became a few weeks old and thus outdated, so I sold it a huge loss, (but who cares, I'm rich as all hell) and bought a few 4 processor SPARC10's and a few gigs for my personal network. BUT then it happened again...betrayed by my own technology! I decided not to mess with these piddly anymore. So I rooted around in my sofas for
all my loose change and went out and bought a Cray SuperII...Now I have one of the most powerful machines on Earth and I'm so enlightened I could just spit.
I still use my Apple and I'm damn proud. If my GS can't do it then I do it on another machine. So what! I don't need some fudge stain telling me what machine I SHOULD be using...I don't remember asking his opinion.
Well anyway, I've taken a valium and that's all I wanted to say...
Hasta,
Jay W.
<wei...@rpi.edu>
Derek A. Taubert
> So, Jawaid... where is Telcom II? Is it still in development? Or are
>you dropping it? Or...?
>
>-Tai "who's still waiting for Gno 2.0 from RC and who thinks about the even
> longer wait for Telcom II...."
Pardon me for taking some offense at this, but I know Jawaid fairly well, and
I'm quite sure that he doesn't appreciate messages like this. I'm only coming
to his defense cause I know what crap like this can do to someone's interest
on a given project. Why work on it at all if this is the damn thanks I get?
Private mail like this is bad enough, but posting this to a public newsgroup?
I really don't think you can give me a good enough explanation to justify it.
If you're sincerely interested, then I apologize completely, but there are
much better ways for you to show it.
Why don't you think about how much trouble Jawaid's going through to complete
such a project, and how little you're going to pay him for it when it is done,
instead of the terrible (gasp) inconvenience you're suffering from waiting?
Derek
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d-ta...@uiuc.edu | Really, I'm serious!
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ts testing
> But to attack
>people for their determination to continue to get benefit from their
>prior investment is frankly stupid on your part. Rather than admonish us
>to enter some poorly defined "age of enlightenment" you ought to admonish
>yourself to grow up and mind your own business.
>--
>Eric S. Ford ag...@yfn.ysu.edu
Funny, how when something works so well,some people know the value
and some people trash it. Thank you Eric, your words (against the
ignorati) are appreciated.
cheerrzz,ts
.
Scott - Maxwell
>> learned...
>>
e
>> Two Meg Software | Silverware Creature. Its only goal: to destroy
>> irs...@iastate.edu | mankind as we know it -- spooning and forking its way t
o
>> IRS...@aol.com | world domination" - J.M. DeMatteis, X-Factor #94.
>
>Here - here! I read a couple of her books and they have had a most
>profound
>influence upon my life. They made me see what it was that people wanted
>from me. Even though this is off of the subject, I have to say that I
>think everyone should read Atlas Shrugged at least.
>
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Herbert Fung
>In article <113.UUL1.3#25...@liberty.com> cha...@liberty.com (Chance)
>
>>This type of blind mentality is not only amazing, it makes one wonder
>>how man ever emerged from the dark ages. At least some of us have moved
>>on and entered the age of enlightenment!
>
>comes from within, and from doing what gets the things done in life
>which are important to -you-. Anything else is being dishonest and
>tell me what you've learned...
I've been enlightened!
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Herbert Fung
Previously cha...@liberty.com (Chance) wrote:
>I find it quite amazing that AppleII users can hang on to a computer
>that is not only dying, but has been dead for some time. And not only do
>they continue hanging on by what's left of their fingernails, they even
>defend Apple Computer. Absolutely, completely, amazing!!!
and any other appliance or tool every year or as soon as a new model
shows up. I think this would be amazing!!!
To me my IIGS has been and continues to be an efficient and productive
computer. I don't need to nor can I afford to spend thousands of dollars
for a Pentium or PowerPC for telecommunications, word processing,
spreadsheets, data bases, graphics, video overlay, audio digitizing, or
scanning when I already can do it on my GS.
>First of all, Apple Computer promised to support the AppleII well
>into the 90's. However, at the beginning of this year, it was announced
>that Apple Computer would no longer manufacture the AppleIIgs.
Apple nolonger produce the Mac II, LC, Classic, and some others, but
there is still System software upgrades for them. A few months ago Apple
released System 6.0.1 for the GS. This seems like support to me,
especially since it cost Apple no small amount of resources to develop
system software.
>Second of all, the new technologies of which I speak are not available
>for the AppleIIgs. For example, in WordPerfect 6.0 (which is only $279
>incidentally) I can type a letter and FAX it to anyone with the touch of
>a button - all from within WordPerfect!!!
fax documents from my computer now, and if I need to fax anything I'll
use my fax machine.
>This type of blind mentality is not only amazing, it makes one wonder
>how man ever emerged from the dark ages. At least some of us have moved
>on and entered the age of enlightenment!
people can bring enlightenment to anyone. Last time I checked, buying a
new computer failed to bring anyone enlightenment.
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Mark Manning
Roshier) wrote:
>
> As The World Turns, O' For The Good Old Days
The "Good Old Days"? Like the days when we rode in horse draw
carriages? Like the days when the black plague raced through
europe? Like the days when it took months to cross the U.S.?
Heck! THESE ARE THE GOOD OLD DAYS. Wait a couple of years
and you will look back at today and say that these were the
good old days as well.
For myself, I learn from the past but I look towards the future.
And what I see is - if we don't get off planet soon then the
boiler is going to blow.
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> <Mindless Drivel -----> EXIT STAGE RIGHT!!>
>
>My point of view:
> As long as we're all leaving the II and going on to something bigger and better...SCREW the PC. I personally went out and bought an INDY II with all the fixin's. But then, it became a few weeks old and thus outdated, so I sold it a huge loss, (but who cares, I'm rich as all hell) and bought a few 4 processor SPARC10's and a few gigs for my personal network. BUT then it happened again...betrayed by my own technology! I decided not to mess with these piddly anymore. So I rooted around in my sofas for
>
First of all there is no INDY II. The INDY JUST came out. You might be
talking about the Indigo^2, but that isnt outdated quite yet. I think Ill
be buying an Indy....cant beat it for the price. A fully functional UNIX
box for $7500...AND you even get a keen color camera for it! :)
>all my loose change and went out and bought a Cray SuperII...Now I have one of the most powerful machines on Earth and I'm so enlightened I could just spit.
>
> I still use my Apple and I'm damn proud. If my GS can't do it then I do it on another machine. So what! I don't need some fudge stain telling me what machine I SHOULD be using...I don't remember asking his opinion.
>
> Well anyway, I've taken a valium and that's all I wanted to say...
>
>Hasta,
>Jay W.
><wei...@rpi.edu>
Yes I know this note is jesting. :) Still wanted to correct the mis-
information!
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