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Scott Alfter
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I think this project has been brought up before, but now it's more or less
finished and now available for purchase:
http://www.vintagecomputer.tk/
Wired has an article on the machine, dubbed Replica I:
http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,60329,00.html
The Replica I website's a bit sluggish...wonder why?
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/08/1045210&mode=nested&tid=107&tid=137&tid=187
Prices range from $100 for just the board and programmed logic on up to $200
for an assembled board. It needs an AT power supply, a II+ keyboard or a
PS/2 keyboard, and a composite monitor to get up and running.
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Michael J. Mahon
>I think this project has been brought up before, but now it's more or less
>finished and now available for purchase:
>
>http://www.vintagecomputer.tk/
>
>Wired has an article on the machine, dubbed Replica I:
>
>http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,60329,00.html
>
>The Replica I website's a bit sluggish...wonder why?
>
>
>http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/08/1045210&mode=neste
d&tid=107&tid=137&tid=187
>
>Prices range from $100 for just the board and programmed logic on up to $200
>for an assembled board. It needs an AT power supply, a II+ keyboard or a
>PS/2 keyboard, and a composite monitor to get up and running.
I've been following this project, since I was interested to see if
it would actually be completed.
It's a curious thing. It would not appeal to "collectors" since it is not
physically like the Apple I. And it would not have much appeal to
"users" since there is so little to "use" about an Apple I--and that
need could be better satisfied with an eumulator.
It would seem to appeal to a special breed of folks who enjoy
replicating old machines in modern technology, which I expect
is a very small subset of "users" and "collectors".
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Bill Garber
"Michael J. Mahon" <mjm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Scott Alfter wrote:
> >I think this project has been brought up before, but now it's more or
less
> >finished and now available for purchase:
> >http://www.vintagecomputer.tk/
> >Wired has an article on the machine, dubbed Replica I:
> >http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,60329,00.html
> >The Replica I website's a bit sluggish...wonder why?
> >http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/08/1045210&mode=neste
> d&tid=107&tid=137&tid=187
> >Prices range from $100 for just the board and programmed logic on up to
$200
> >for an assembled board. It needs an AT power supply, a II+ keyboard or a
> >PS/2 keyboard, and a composite monitor to get up and running.
>
> I've been following this project, since I was interested to see if
> it would actually be completed.
I too was very curious about it's completion, being there have
been so many projects begun and never brought to that point.
It is refreshing to see that there are still people who are so into
this hobby as to see it all the way thru.
> It's a curious thing. It would not appeal to "collectors" since it is not
> physically like the Apple I. And it would not have much appeal to
> "users" since there is so little to "use" about an Apple I--and that
> need could be better satisfied with an eumulator.
Albeit true your statement, do you ever encourage anyone to do
anything? Seems you tend to discourage all ideas, designs, and
even those projects brought to complettion. Jealousy? Perhaps
there are issues involved here that YOU need to address.
> It would seem to appeal to a special breed of folks who enjoy
> replicating old machines in modern technology, which I expect
> is a very small subset of "users" and "collectors".
Thank you for the compliment. I too am one of those "special"
breeds which enjoys seeing someone do what they love and love
what they do. Again your statements are true in many respects,
but you are dropping water on the fire.
All the above is merely IMHO.
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making a circuit board (or wiring by hand) and using the same
ICs and design in the original. When it turned out to be
only a workalike, I couldn't figure out the point. I wouldn't
pay money for an Apple I, but if I stumbled across one
in a pile of junk for a few dollars, I'd grab it. It is
a part of small computer history. But if it's not the original,
and not even a direct copy, what's the point?
Obviously, the Apple II is doable from scratch. The schematic
was printed in the manual, and all the parts are nice and
standard. The Apple I wasn't around enough for much news
to trickle out, and I have no idea if it came with a schematic,
or the schematic was available. I though I read in a description
a long time ago that the video circuitry was a variant on an
existing "TV Typewriter", and at least one early version published
of that used shift registers for the memory; hard and expensive
to get back then, and likely even harder now. I can't imagine
any of the other parts being uncommon, but since I never saw
a schematic, I have no idea.
And making a homemade version of the Apple, I or II, has a certain
legitimacy. I can imagine someone looking at the schematic back
then, and figuring out the price of the parts, and realizing that
if they put in the work, they could get an Apple for considerably
less. (Someone once wrote about their copy of the KIM-1, and I
remember one really neat article in Kilobaud where someone wanted
to use the original TRS-80 BASIC ROMs, so they had to figure out
what hardware was needed, and modified their existing Z-80 system
so it would run the ROMs.) I don't know if anyone ever did that. But
given that premise, there is a certain authenticity to someone building
an exact copy. Except for carbon dating (and likely date codes),
it would be basically the same thing whether someone did the building
25 years ago, or last week.
Michael
Michael J. Mahon
Easy there, Bill! I was responding with "cold water" (as you put
it) to the notion that this replica was being offered for _sale_.
I have no issues with whatever some enthusiast wants to do
with their own time for the love of the craft. One must wonder
though, when there seems to be an attempt to milk money
from the beast...
I think it's a fine hobby project, and some few will no doubt
find it interesting as well, but probably not the "mainstream"
Apple II community, if I can use that phrase. ;-)
>> It would seem to appeal to a special breed of folks who enjoy
>> replicating old machines in modern technology, which I expect
>> is a very small subset of "users" and "collectors".
>
>Thank you for the compliment. I too am one of those "special"
>breeds which enjoys seeing someone do what they love and love
>what they do. Again your statements are true in many respects,
>but you are dropping water on the fire.
I remain open to the idea that someone may discover a "market"
among Apple II enthusiasts--like the CFFA card--but viable ideas
in this area are few and far between, it seems.
Bill Garber
I had the same feeling. He'll be lucky to sell 50, let alone the 200
that Woz produced, and I figure that will be a great triumph.
> I have no issues with whatever some enthusiast wants to do
> with their own time for the love of the craft. One must wonder
> though, when there seems to be an attempt to milk money
> from the beast...
And most of the "milkers" are not even Apple II enthusiasts,
but people who think that because it's old it must be gold.
> I think it's a fine hobby project, and some few will no doubt
> find it interesting as well, but probably not the "mainstream"
> Apple II community, if I can use that phrase. ;-)
Absolutely, it IS a fine project, and one that I would like to have
a part in, not to merely use as is, but to attempt to upgrade and
possibly add to. Would be fun to try to add other peripherals to
it. Sounds like something I could get into.
> >> It would seem to appeal to a special breed of folks who enjoy
> >> replicating old machines in modern technology, which I expect
> >> is a very small subset of "users" and "collectors".
> >
> >Thank you for the compliment. I too am one of those "special"
> >breeds which enjoys seeing someone do what they love and love
> >what they do. Again your statements are true in many respects,
> >but you are dropping water on the fire.
>
> I remain open to the idea that someone may discover a "market"
> among Apple II enthusiasts--like the CFFA card--but viable ideas
> in this area are few and far between, it seems.
Since you brought up the CFFA card, it has not been the great success
that the first run was. He has quite a number of them left. AFAIK, he
has over 100 of them left. Would be nice to see some of them modded
to allow the use of IDE CD-Rom drives, or to use them with smaller
CF cards in the II+.
Michael J. Mahon
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>> I remain open to the idea that someone may discover a "market"
>> among Apple II enthusiasts--like the CFFA card--but viable ideas
>> in this area are few and far between, it seems.
>
>Since you brought up the CFFA card, it has not been the great success
>that the first run was. He has quite a number of them left. AFAIK, he
>has over 100 of them left. Would be nice to see some of them modded
>to allow the use of IDE CD-Rom drives, or to use them with smaller
>CF cards in the II+.
I'm sorry to hear that he has apparently saturated the market.
I suppose that that provides a pretty good indication of the size
of the "user" Apple II market that is willing to spend some money
on their machines--my guess is that about a third of those who
are potentially "willing" bought one or more CFFA cards, which
would imply a total market size of perhaps three hundred or so.
Since almost all of the CFFA's "personality" is in the EPROM,
it should be "a small matter of programming" for a motivated
person to extend the range of IDE peripherals that it can attach.
However, since 128MB FlashCards are now available for about
$30 (after rebates) or less, I don't think there's much need to
go smaller. ;-) Fry's just advertised a 256MB for $25!
Bill Garber
> Bill Garber replied:
>
> >"Michael J. Mahon" <mjm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> <snip>
>
> >> I remain open to the idea that someone may discover a "market"
> >> among Apple II enthusiasts--like the CFFA card--but viable ideas
> >> in this area are few and far between, it seems.
> >
> >Since you brought up the CFFA card, it has not been the great success
> >that the first run was. He has quite a number of them left. AFAIK, he
> >has over 100 of them left. Would be nice to see some of them modded
> >to allow the use of IDE CD-Rom drives, or to use them with smaller
> >CF cards in the II+.
>
> I'm sorry to hear that he has apparently saturated the market.
>
> I suppose that that provides a pretty good indication of the size
> of the "user" Apple II market that is willing to spend some money
> on their machines--my guess is that about a third of those who
> are potentially "willing" bought one or more CFFA cards, which
> would imply a total market size of perhaps three hundred or so.
Yes, there some multi card orders, I being one. I may get a couple
to play around with.
> Since almost all of the CFFA's "personality" is in the EPROM,
> it should be "a small matter of programming" for a motivated
> person to extend the range of IDE peripherals that it can attach.
I agree with that, but you do need to know just how the card works.
> However, since 128MB FlashCards are now available for about
> $30 (after rebates) or less, I don't think there's much need to
> go smaller. ;-) Fry's just advertised a 256MB for $25!
Kool, do they take PayPal from people without confirmed
addresses? I could use a couple of those.
Rodney Hester
>
> It's a curious thing. It would not appeal to "collectors" since it is not
> physically like the Apple I. And it would not have much appeal to
> "users" since there is so little to "use" about an Apple I--and that
> need could be better satisfied with an eumulator.
Agreed. I've followed this with some interest for the past month or so, and
was seriously considering purchase after reading the Wired article - until I
got to the very bottom and read that the cassette interface was not
implemented.
No physical storage of any kind? Sheesh. I could use MESS as easily.
:( I appreciate the technical challenge of what he's done, but fail to see
the point of doing 90% of the job. The Apple I was much more than just a
keyboard that let you type onto a screen (even if you did have to key in
your own BIOS on every power-on ;).
Rodney
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> >
> > It's a curious thing. It would not appeal to "collectors" since it is
not
> > physically like the Apple I. And it would not have much appeal to
> > "users" since there is so little to "use" about an Apple I--and that
> > need could be better satisfied with an eumulator.
>
> Agreed. I've followed this with some interest for the past month or so,
and
> was seriously considering purchase after reading the Wired article - until
I
> got to the very bottom and read that the cassette interface was not
> implemented.
Incorrect! If you read the entire description on his site you will
realize that he is offering soon the cassette interface as an option
just as the original Woz Apple I did. There is also an interface
bridge that you can connect whatever you want to connect. Almost
all the signals of the Apple IIs expansion slot are there. Only DevSel
is supplied in 3 memory areas on 3 separate pins.
> No physical storage of any kind? Sheesh. I could use MESS as easily.
> :( I appreciate the technical challenge of what he's done, but fail to
see
> the point of doing 90% of the job. The Apple I was much more than just a
> keyboard that let you type onto a screen (even if you did have to key in
> your own BIOS on every power-on ;).
AFAIK, this needs a keyboard ( Ascii or PS/2 ), AT power supply , and
a composite monitor. From what I understand, these all interface much
easier than the original Apple I, which required knowledge of wiring on
all 3 devices to get it to work. Here you only need to plug them in. Soon,
there will be a cassette interface, go back and read the info on the site.
I hope to attach some form of CF card or flash memory to mine thru
the expansion port. Wish me luck. This is truly a hobbyists dream, but
everyone wants it to be plug'n'play, not Apple I compliant, which it is.
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> Obviously, the Apple II is doable from scratch. The schematic
> was printed in the manual, and all the parts are nice and
> standard.
> And making a homemade version of the Apple, I or II, has a certain
> legitimacy. I can imagine someone looking at the schematic back
> then, and figuring out the price of the parts, and realizing that
> if they put in the work, they could get an Apple for considerably
> less. (Someone once wrote about their copy of the KIM-1, and I
> remember one really neat article in Kilobaud where someone wanted
> to use the original TRS-80 BASIC ROMs, so they had to figure out
> what hardware was needed, and modified their existing Z-80 system
> so it would run the ROMs.) I don't know if anyone ever did that. But
> given that premise, there is a certain authenticity to someone building
> an exact copy. Except for carbon dating (and likely date codes),
> it would be basically the same thing whether someone did the building
> 25 years ago, or last week.
I wish I knew how to build a computer. That said, yes, the Apple
][/][+ is a mindnumbingly simple design, I banged out a simple
emulator with mono gfx in a matter of hours.
I once thought, and maybe it's possible, that it would be nice to
build a small Apple ][+ clone, perhaps fully expanded, and maybe with
a 3.5" drive (one, perhaps, compatible with the Dapple Megadisk format
</plug>), prolly with PS/2-style keyboard/mouse ports, PC joystick
port, etc., which are easier to find stuff for, and a Unidisk
connector. (//e would be even nicer :D, plus you can shove 3136K of
RAM in it)
-uso.
Michael Black
> "Michael J. Mahon" <mjm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> It's a curious thing. It would not appeal to "collectors" since it is not
>> physically like the Apple I. And it would not have much appeal to
>> "users" since there is so little to "use" about an Apple I--and that
>> need could be better satisfied with an eumulator.
>
> Agreed. I've followed this with some interest for the past month or so, and
> was seriously considering purchase after reading the Wired article - until I
> got to the very bottom and read that the cassette interface was not
> implemented.
>
at least is then realistic, though who knows if they can't see a reason
for a cassette interface, or if they expect some third party manufacture
to come along and provide it (and maybe some other neat accessories for
the thing)?
Michael
Ernest
"Bill Garber" <will...@comcast.net> wrote
> > I remain open to the idea that someone may discover a "market"
> > among Apple II enthusiasts--like the CFFA card--but viable ideas
> > in this area are few and far between, it seems.
I really wonder how well an ethernet card that would work in both a IIe and
a IIgs would sell. I know that there is the LanceGS but there are no drivers
for the IIe, and it's kind of expensive. If they could drop the price to
under $100.00, provide IIe drivers AND finish the Contiki port, I think it
might sell fairly well. I don't know what the "magic" dollar mark is for a
card like this -$30 - $50 is my guess but if the card was cheap enough, and
useful on both the IIe and IIgs, I think there would be a bigger market than
what the CFFA indicates.
The thing about offering a Compact Flash card to the existing Apple II
community is that most of the people who want larger storage space for their
II's already have it. I have a Sider II, a ProFile, and RamFast / Apple HS
SCSI drives for my II's. Why would I spend more than $100.00 for a card that
only works (on my IIe) under ProDos 8? However, an ethernet card is
something that I would very much like to have for my IIe, and I would spend
$50-$100 for it IF there was a way that I could use it. Setting up a BBS or
a Contiki based web page would be sweet. I know that I can hook it up
through my PC but that's not as interesting.
Rodney Hester
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>
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> >
> and
> > was seriously considering purchase after reading the Wired article -
until
> I
> > got to the very bottom and read that the cassette interface was not
> > implemented.
>
> Incorrect! If you read the entire description on his site you will
> realize that he is offering soon the cassette interface as an option
> just as the original Woz Apple I did. There is also an interface
> bridge that you can connect whatever you want to connect. Almost
> all the signals of the Apple IIs expansion slot are there. Only DevSel
> is supplied in 3 memory areas on 3 separate pins.
Apologies - the Wired article reads as follows:
"There's also no interface of any kind for a storage device. The original
stored programs on tape cassette, but Briel hasn't recreated the cassette
interface."
At the time (due to the Wired article? ;), his site was down. At this time,
the only thing I see related to the cassette interface is the phrase "Coming
soon, cassette interface!", which may well have been added after the Wired
article was researched.
In short - while what he's done thus far is impressive, to date, there is no
cassette interface.
Rodney
Ned Ludd
> I have no issues with whatever some enthusiast wants to do
> with their own time for the love of the craft. One must wonder
> though, when there seems to be an attempt to milk money
> from the beast...
I think there's a fine line between "milking the beast" and simply
making something available to the public. I'm not sure how much the
Apple I simulator would cost to manufacture, but it seems to me that Mr
Briel is unlikely to rake-in any huge profits here -- that'll happen
when people start reselling them on eBay ;-)
Vince Briel
LAST WEEK. It takes time to verify code, then I have to build a board and
test it, plus.
Originally I set out to build this for myself as a project. It wasn't until
I got quite a few emails that I decided to build extras for people that
wanted them.
No, there's not a big market and yes after a short while, no more will sell.
That's ok, I'm not out trying to start a huge company and make millions. I'm
just following up on requests to build boards for other people.
Will it appeal to collectors. Probably not, but lets say you have a museum
with a box and an Apple II keyboard displayed as a Replica I. Why not put a
board and power supply in it, hook it to a TV and Show people what the Apple
I ran like?
Believe it or not, there is a lot of unpublished information about the
operation of the Apple I people don't know unless they've seen one or done
serious research.
Woz's design was incredible for it's time, yet he used parts that were
almost at the time of production of the Apple I hard to find. In 1978 (A
year after producing the Apple I) if you needed a 2504, Apple wrote back and
said sorry, not available.
Emulators: I think their great. I use an Apple II emulator when I don't want
to fire up my IIplus. But does an emulator give you the same feeling you get
using an Apple II? To me no, to others yes. The only emulator I have gotten
to work did not properly demonstrate the Apple I. It was however a nice 6502
emulator.
Thanks guys for you comments and criticism. I take it to hart. I know when I
decided to produce a few boards it wouldn't appeal to most, but quite a few
people have shown interest and have ordered.
I'd be more than happy to answer any questions, throw 'em out.
Cheers,
Vince
Michael J. Mahon
I agree. In light of Vince's comments here, it's clear that this
is spang in the "labor of love" category, and he's having fun!
Bill Garber
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> Ned Ludd wrote:
>
> >Michael J. Mahon <mjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I have no issues with whatever some enthusiast wants to do
> >> with their own time for the love of the craft. One must wonder
> >> though, when there seems to be an attempt to milk money
> >> from the beast...
> >
> >I think there's a fine line between "milking the beast" and simply
> >making something available to the public. I'm not sure how much the
> >Apple I simulator would cost to manufacture, but it seems to me that Mr
> >Briel is unlikely to rake-in any huge profits here -- that'll happen
> >when people start reselling them on eBay ;-)
>
> I agree. In light of Vince's comments here, it's clear that this
> is spang in the "labor of love" category, and he's having fun!
Exactly, and I hope I have as much fun hacking it as he did
making it. However, I expect it to sit on the shelf along with
most of the other things I have bought to hack up or attempt
to repair. ;-)
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>I have no issues with whatever some enthusiast wants to do
>with their own time for the love of the craft. One must wonder
>though, when there seems to be an attempt to milk money
>from the beast...
>
>I think it's a fine hobby project, and some few will no doubt
>find it interesting as well, but probably not the "mainstream"
>Apple II community, if I can use that phrase. ;-)
I don't consider it as an attempt to milk money. Given
the time, effort, and price for components this guy
put it, it is more like break even.
It seems to me that the guy just wants to share the
living memory of how the Apple I changed the world
and in return is asking only for the price of the work.
For example, I have been planning to build stealth
PCs in IIGS cases complete with LCD monitor in a
IIGS monitor case (with the rest of the space being
allocated for the drives). If I thought people would
be interested, I might ask them to pay me the price
of the components plus shipping so that I can share
the creation. That's not milking money.
Woz seems to agree (see the Wired article).
Put in another way, if the my real IIGS stopped
working and a decade from now someone recreated
it, would I be interested in buying it for the sake
of nostalgia? Of course I would even though by
then, the IIGS would seem about as useful as the
Apple I is today.
Supertimer
>>Since you brought up the CFFA card, it has not been the great success
>>that the first run was. He has quite a number of them left. AFAIK, he
>>has over 100 of them left. Would be nice to see some of them modded
>>to allow the use of IDE CD-Rom drives, or to use them with smaller
>>CF cards in the II+.
>
>I'm sorry to hear that he has apparently saturated the market.
>
>I suppose that that provides a pretty good indication of the size
>of the "user" Apple II market that is willing to spend some money
>on their machines--my guess is that about a third of those who
>are potentially "willing" bought one or more CFFA cards, which
>would imply a total market size of perhaps three hundred or so.
Wow! A compact flash card for the Apple II? Do you
have a link to it? I think a lot of interested people
have simply not received the news. It is not like the
days of Resource Central where the many remaining
Apple II users could be easily notified of a new
product.
Does this thing support non-ProDOS partitions (ie.
no 32MB barrier using HFS) and does it support the
IBM MicroDrive (1GB)?
Thanks.
Bill Garber
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> mjm...@aol.com (Michael J. Mahon) wrote:
>
> >I have no issues with whatever some enthusiast wants to do
> >with their own time for the love of the craft. One must wonder
> >though, when there seems to be an attempt to milk money
> >from the beast...
> >
> >I think it's a fine hobby project, and some few will no doubt
> >find it interesting as well, but probably not the "mainstream"
> >Apple II community, if I can use that phrase. ;-)
>
> I don't consider it as an attempt to milk money. Given
> the time, effort, and price for components this guy
> put it, it is more like break even.
I believe Michael was referring to those who have no idea
what Apple I/II was really about and think that because they
are old, that they are Gold!
> It seems to me that the guy just wants to share the
> living memory of how the Apple I changed the world
> and in return is asking only for the price of the work.
Even if he does make a few measly bucks over the top,
he deserves it. I'm sure that was not an easy job being
there wasn't much info to be had unless someone was
willing to share data they had gathered over the years.
> For example, I have been planning to build stealth
> PCs in IIGS cases complete with LCD monitor in a
> IIGS monitor case (with the rest of the space being
> allocated for the drives). If I thought people would
> be interested, I might ask them to pay me the price
> of the components plus shipping so that I can share
> the creation. That's not milking money.
I like your idea sir, but if you could rewrite the PC bios to
prevent any PC software from being run or installed, then
and only then would you have a true modern IIgs.
> Woz seems to agree (see the Wired article).
The Woz mentality IS the one needed to truly appreciate
the Apple I or II in all of it's glory.
> Put in another way, if the my real IIGS stopped
> working and a decade from now someone recreated
> it, would I be interested in buying it for the sake
> of nostalgia? Of course I would even though by
> then, the IIGS would seem about as useful as the
> Apple I is today.
Promotion equals more following, and more followers
equals more new and interesting products which would
in turn create a IIgs that could in effect rival the computers
of maybe not today's standard but of not long ago.
Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
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> mjm...@aol.com (Michael J. Mahon) wrote:
>
> >>Since you brought up the CFFA card, it has not been the great success
> >>that the first run was. He has quite a number of them left. AFAIK, he
> >>has over 100 of them left. Would be nice to see some of them modded
> >>to allow the use of IDE CD-Rom drives, or to use them with smaller
> >>CF cards in the II+.
> >
> >I'm sorry to hear that he has apparently saturated the market.
> >
> >I suppose that that provides a pretty good indication of the size
> >of the "user" Apple II market that is willing to spend some money
> >on their machines--my guess is that about a third of those who
> >are potentially "willing" bought one or more CFFA cards, which
> >would imply a total market size of perhaps three hundred or so.
>
> Wow! A compact flash card for the Apple II? Do you
> have a link to it? I think a lot of interested people
> have simply not received the news. It is not like the
> days of Resource Central where the many remaining
> Apple II users could be easily notified of a new
> product.
http://dreher.net/CFforAppleII/
> Does this thing support non-ProDOS partitions (ie.
> no 32MB barrier using HFS) and does it support the
> IBM MicroDrive (1GB)?
All the compatibility data is on the site.
Supertimer
>"Supertimer" <super...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow! A compact flash card for the Apple II? Do you
>> have a link to it? I think a lot of interested people
>> have simply not received the news. It is not like the
>> days of Resource Central where the many remaining
>> Apple II users could be easily notified of a new
>> product.
>
>http://dreher.net/CFforAppleII/
>
>> Does this thing support non-ProDOS partitions (ie.
>> no 32MB barrier using HFS) and does it support the
>> IBM MicroDrive (1GB)?
>
>All the compatibility data is on the site.
Thanks for the link Bill. It is nice to see some
constructive development still going for the Apple II
(esp. IIGS) platform.
Bill Garber
Ah yes, developement. Speaking of that, I am presently in the
preliminary stages of several IIgs items. These already exist
but are rare and I hope to improve them so as to use newer
devices. I won't say what they are for the time being since they
are in the quite early stages, but suffice to say that there will be
newer designs of older products. I am also researching items
that I plan to develope for the IIc/IIc+. Hopefully I will know
soon if they are feasible and worthwhile ventures. Just so no one
gets the wrong impression, I don't mean worthwhile capitol-wise
but in the sense that people would care at all. ;-)
Btw, Vince Briel is involved in one of the projects tentatively.
If he decides it will be workable, he'll be designing it and I will
be building and producing them. Cross your fingers.
Supertimer
>> For example, I have been planning to build stealth
>> PCs in IIGS cases complete with LCD monitor in a
>> IIGS monitor case (with the rest of the space being
>> allocated for the drives). If I thought people would
>> be interested, I might ask them to pay me the price
>> of the components plus shipping so that I can share
>> the creation. That's not milking money.
>
>I like your idea sir, but if you could rewrite the PC bios to
>prevent any PC software from being run or installed, then
>and only then would you have a true modern IIgs.
I agree, Bill. I was only using that as an example.
Besides, for my project, the building part is the
experience more than the end result. Users would
want to build their own.
I know it will not be a IIGS. Notice I said Stealth
PC. ;-) There is a link on HardOCP.com about
someone who did this with an iMac but I prefer the
IIGS system's look myself.
Besides, the Stealth PC may also serve as a IIGS
monitor if I manage to get a Video Turtle. I intend
to put a Radeon card in the Stealth PC to provide
S-video in.