<REPOST>
OK, this isn't as much a FAQ as a warning for new users in the
comp.sys.amiga.* hierarchy.
1. Who is Tim Rue?
1.1 Tim as a liar.
1.1a TIM=VIC=MATRIX <NEW>
1.1b THE MATRIX AND THE AMIGA <NEW>
1.2 Tim as a loon.
1.2.a Others' observations
2. VIC - stranger than fiction.
2.1 What is it?
2.2 What isn't it?
3. What can we do?
3.1 Fire with fire.
3.2 Passive aggression.
3.3 Killfile instructions for common newsreaders
3.3.a NewsRog
3.3.b Turnpike
3.3.c Outlook Express
3.3.d Thor
New Oct. 29, 1998
4. Administrivia.
4.1 FAQ maintainer.
4.2 Submissions.
1. Who is Tim Rue?
Tim Rue, aka Timmy, aka T. Rue, is best described as the town fool
of the comp.sys.amiga.* Usenet hierarchy. Whether you're discussing
the future of the Amiga hardware/software platform, or simply asking
advice on which brand of modem to purchase, Timmy's guaranteed
to jump in with bizarre paranoia-filled rants about government
suppression and NDAs (non-disclosure agreements). Lately this
has shifted to include something or another about profits and freely
accessible archives. Previous tangents about "Ask the children!"
seem to have been dropped from his manifest.
Know this: anything you say to him will be interpreted as a personal
attack. If you compare something he said to something you read
earlier that day, he'll think you're accusing him of plagiarism. If
you
ask him to clarify a point, then you're obviously not willing to
"search
the publicly accessible archives", and therefore out to destroy him.
1.1 Tim as a liar.
As of late, Timmy's chosen the annoying habit of inventing elaborate
conspiracies involving well-liked and public Amiga figures. For
example, Team AMIGA is supposedly a shadow organization run for
the specific contradictory purposes of 1) destroying the Amiga and
2) selling merchandise to Amiga owners (which would actually
prolong the Amiga's lifespan, ironically). If Timmy cites a proper
name in his postings, you can be assured that the following
statements are lies. Of course, it's theoretical possible that Timmy
could say something positive about a public figure; however, since
that hasn't happened yet, you may safely overlook that possibility.
1.1a TIM=VIC=MATRIX <don your aluminum brain protector> ;-)
http://www.matrixcommunity.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=00
0062
1.1b THE MATRIX AND THE AMIGA
From: "Timothy Rue" <thre...@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Thought some of you might enjoy this
References: <518.164T1764T13...@earthlink.net>
<4c950c59.03020...@posting.google.com>
<ilR%9.778$o61....@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
Message-ID: <3228.170T1166T5...@earthlink.net>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Those at and of that board are in fact from an original core group of ....
fans.... that have had more direct contact with those involved in the
production that is typically found elsewhere. See "The Matrix Revisited
for interviews of a few of these people".
How does it relate to the Amiga?
Hmmm, dishonest fabrications, secrets behind secrets, threats, threats of
law suites, etc...
Ok, so they made the group out to be some sort of organized crime
collective involved in fraud, stalking, IP theft, etc...
What would you expect of the matrix to say about the nebachadnezzar and
her crew?
Likewise, what, in parrallel, does this expose about Amiga world
happenings?"
Tim we don't know what it "exposes" about the Amiga world
but it certainly exposes some things about you. ;-)
1.2 Tim as a loon.
Let the man speak for himself:
In <4808.577T2...@mindspring.com>:
"Actually, this very thing about illusions directly relates to the
high
level of faulty information the Amiga community generates. If the base
is
illusional then there really is no way to generate valid
information."
In <966.577T16...@mindspring.com>:
"When there is no hope of advancement, yet unending illusions of it,
it
must be clowns at work. :) So what can you do but laff at them?"
In <2964.578T8...@mindspring.com>:
"I see where you are involved in Amicon, well guess what, I don't know
you
or anyone involved and I'm sure there are alot of others who also
don't
know. But when they go looking for information that is being
mentioned
elsewhere and they cannot find it, and they say something about it,
does
this give you the right to take offence. Perhaps you are trying to
justify
this by saying your non-profit? Well it's no excuse to find offence
and if
anything I'd say dump non-profit so as you might have motive to see
straight."
The scary part is that he *can* be almost rational for up to a
paragraph
at a time. However, Deja News failed to find an entire coherent
post,
and mostly he changes subjects in the middle of his sentences.
1.2.a Others' observations
"IMHO (and I wish I was clinically qualified so that I knew WTF I was
talking about (grin)), Tim's personality disorder includes a Messiah
complex - he KNOWS he's right, and his critics and detractors are all
fools. His mission is to save the rest of the Amiga world by making
them
see the light of his genius. I think, even if ignored, he'll just keep
on
making declamatory posts for the indefinite future. Having said that,
it's
the bandwidth wastage that's the key issue here and FAQ and Killfiles
are
definitely a good way forward along with simply not responding in
public
to him."
Bill Bennett
Developmental Biology Unit,
School of Biology and Biochemistry
University of Bath
2. VIC - stranger than fiction.
The VIC saga started a while back, although its exact roots are lost
to history. In its current form, though, Timmy has evolved VIC into
the
solution for all things Amiga (and possibly more).
2.1 What is it?
Timmy himself says in <5091.577T4...@mindspring.com>:
"Mostly what the general, but educated in VIC use, end user will
preceive
is that the VIC is a tool that allows them to easily make productive
use
of the vocabularies of applications. To do so in order to automate
the
things they often do. To define a single word that the user can hand
the
VIC to set in motion such automation. But the VIC also allows the user
to
continue to build their personal vocabulary using base vocabulary of
applications as well as vocabulay they have already defined."
This is pretty much as verbose and detailed of a description that
we've
been allowed to see, so any speculation is pure conjecture.
To his credit, one tiny code fragment does really exist: an AREXX
script he calls "IQ". Noone's really sure what it's supposed to do,
but it can be safely run without trashing your hard drive.
2.2 What isn't it?
For starters: real.
3. What can we do?
Ahhh, the time-honored question. Sooner or later, something has to
be done before Timmy entirely takes over Usenet.
3.1 Fire with fire.
The first and most satisfying solution is to simply flame the hell out
of
him at every turn. When he opens his mouth, flame him. When he
calls someone such as Gary Peake a liar and a thief, flame him. If
he whines about profit or children or something else, flame him.
It's fun, it's easy, and it doesn't cost much.
However, as tempting as it may be, this isn't the recommended course
of action. First off, it's often like kicking a wet bag of sand.
He'll
respond with something totally unrelated, and you'll wonder why you
even bothered. Second, Timmy's cardinal sin is killing scarce
bandwidth. The last thing needed is to encourage him to dump yet
more drivel into our haven.
3.2 Passive aggression.
Although not as immediately gratifying, a long-term approach is
certain to be more effective at ending this nonsense.
1) Add /"Timothy Rue" <tim...@mindspring.com>/ to your
newreader's killfile. This is the *surest way to reclaim our turf*.
If
everyone in these groups were to immediately and permanently
ignore Timmy's postings, he would be gone within a month.
2) Since someone or another is bound to reply to him, thereby
encouraging him to continue, spread the word to new users you
encounter. When you see a reply with his name in the header,
send this FAQ or your own explanation to the user. Remember,
he can't keep burning without fuel!
3) Forward particularly slanderous postings to
postm...@mindspring.com. Don't get carried away here! This
is a last-ditch effort if you've clearly been lied about!
The key rule, though, is to JUST IGNORE HIM. Don't talk to him.
Don't trade e-mail. Don't acknowledge his existence.
Together, we can win.
3.3 Killfile instructions for common newsreaders
The killfile idea is all well and good, but if you don't know how to
use
them, they're rather worthless. Therefore, here are some quick
instructions for adding Timmy to the killfiles of some common
newsreaders.
3.3.a NewsRog
Easy! Click on an article by Timmy. Click on the little
skull-and-cross-
bones icon above the articles listview. On the popup window, click on
the
top cycle gadget until it reads "Kill all by same Author". Then,
click on
the bottom cycle gadget so that it says "Kill Current & Future
Articles".
Next, click on the "Expiration" gadget so that it's unchecked.
Finally,
click "Kill".
3.3.b Turnpike
"Here's how to do it in Turnpike, a good newsreader supplied by Demon
in
the UK to the PC users it has.
Enter the following custom rule:
^References:\s*<[^<]*@mindspring\.com>h
And it will kill any message replying to Tim Rue."
Thanks to: Alex Ingram
3.3.c Outlook Express
1) Click the "Tools" menu.
2) Click the "Newsgroup Filters" submenu.
3) This will open the "Newsgroup Filters" window. Click "Add".
4) "Group(s):" should be set to "All Servers (All Files)". If not,
click
on the entry to get a pop-up menu, and choose it.
5) Click in the box next to the "From:" line. Enter:
Leave the "Subject:" line blank. Make sure that the "Message has
more than..." and "Messages posted more than..." items are NOT
checked. Click OK at the bottom.
6) Click OK again on the "Newsgroup Filters" window.
3.3.d Thor
Note: This is a 3rd party submission. I haven't personally verified
the
instructions, but it seems pretty reasonable. Also note that this
particular user carries the idea a little further. :)
With Thor
----------
I have two general rules using From and To fields for specific
users what, sadly, flows the "comp.sys.amiga.*" Amiga NG's.
Selects the menu item "Kill/Emphasize Database" ("Windows" menu),
and press "New" button for adding every rule. And fill the
following fields with theses contents:
(Rule #1)
From name : ?(Tim? Rue|Mat#? Ortmann|QwertY|tim...@mindspring.com|
ort...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de)#?
Mode : Kill
Conferences : COMP.SYS.AMIGA.#?
Level : 1
(Rule #2)
To name : ?(Tim? Rue|Mat#? Ortmann|QwertY|tim...@mindspring.com|
ort...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de)#?
Mode : Kill
Conferences : COMP.SYS.AMIGA.#?
Level : 1
4. Administrivia.
This FAQ was first written on October 2, 1998, by Kirk Strauser (who
is actually a member of Team AMIGA, but not high-ranking enough
to be allowed to participate in the conspiracies. :).
4.1 FAQ maintainer.
Once again, that be me, Kirk Strauser.
4.2 Submissions.
If you have suggestions, additions, or corrections, please write to:
teknique AT honeypot DOT net
If you're Tim Rue, and feel like responding, be advised that I
consider
all e-mail on the subject to be fair game for reprint. Stated more
clearly:
if you write to me, I'll feel free to include your letter in the next
revision.
--
Kirk Strauser Member // http://members.dialnet.net/teknique/
Team AMIGA \X/ http://csc.smsu.edu/~strauser/RA.html
"Classic" 3000/060/50/604e/200/176MB/Picasso II/IOExtender/Major Attitude
You are now a participant in the act of mobbing.
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=mobbing&num=100
I believe it is considered illeagle, but in any even libel is.
---
*3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!*
*~ ~ ~ Advancing How we Perceive and Use the Tool of Computers!*
Timothy Rue What's *DONE* in all we do? *AI PK OI IP OP SF IQ ID KE*
Email @ mailto:tim...@mindspring.com >INPUT->(Processing)->OUTPUT>v
Web @ http://threeseas.net ^<--------<----9----<--------<
Bwahahahahahhaha. YES Timmy, using your "own" words to
illustrate "you" is mobbing.
Trembling hands? I believe you meant to type above
"I believe is considered <illegal>, but in any <event> libel is."
Do look up "libel" Timmy. Shall you prosecute yourself?
They are YOUR own words after all.
Considering your persecution complex you might as well
prosecute yourself for libel. ;-)
Jim
> Jim
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=68c93262.0106050823.3b2e3d0e%40posting.google.com
---
*3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!*
*~ ~ ~ Advancing How we Perceive and Use the Tool of Computers!*
Timothy Rue What's *DONE* in all we do? *AI PK OI IP OP SF IQ ID KE*
At 2003-02-15T02:33:53Z, "Angelo" <james...@cox.net> writes:
> Wow, from 1998 and he was still looning!
If you wish to repost that FAQ, please remove my name from the "maintainer"
section, and strip my signature from the bottom.
- --
Kirk Strauser
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At 2003-02-15T02:33:53Z, "Angelo" <james...@cox.net> writes:
> Wow, from 1998 and he was still looning!
If you wish to repost that FAQ, please remove my name from the "maintainer"
section, and strip my signature from the bottom.
- --
Kirk Strauser
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Sorry, no problem. Will place mine in place.
It is amazing to see that Tim still keeps to the same
practices after all this time. Oh well
Regards,
Jim
Whatever. I'm sick of reading your (and other's like yours) attacks,
bickering and general bullshit here is all I'm saying.
-Mark D
"Angelo" <james...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:CjG3a.26457$Rx3.8...@news1.west.cox.net...
Funny archives has you JUST arriving newbie and you have a hotmail account.
Yep, you've "really" been around here a long time. As long as Feb10,2003
Such bullshit. Almost liek a webTV user.
Tim Rue is a scumbag plain and simple.
He is reaping exactly what he sowed.
Some of his more FINER moments.
1) After someone who had disagreed with him recently died
he posted gleefully how they deserved it and others who disagreed
with him.
YUP badgering the dead, oh you must have MISSED that in ALL
your years reading here right! Fuck off child.
2) Anyone actually producing and supporting the Amiga he outright
by name called (liars, thieves)
3) Team Amiga is actually some conspiracy to put the Amiga down
and destroy it.
Now quit playing with your mommy's computer and quit lying
about how long you've been around. There are logs kept dear child.
And let's see to counter any claim of "well I didn't post before"
hmmmm "many" years of reading here and not posting yet
logs show you as only arriving THIS February and mysteriously
you post no less than 6 times vice nothing for years?
Now go apologies to your mom for using her computer and
quit lying.
Jim
Funny archives has you JUST arriving at least in C.S.A.M and you have a
hotmail account.
Yep, you've "really" been around here a long time. As long as Jul10,2002
Such bullshit. Almost like a WebTV user.
Tim Rue is a scumbag plain and simple.
He is reaping exactly what he sowed.
Some of his more FINER moments.
1) After someone who had disagreed with him recently died
he posted gleefully how they deserved it and others who disagreed
with him.
YUP badgering the dead, oh you must have MISSED that in ALL
your years reading here right! Fuck off child.
2) Anyone actually producing and supporting the Amiga he outright
by name called (liars, thieves)
3) Team Amiga is actually some conspiracy to put the Amiga down
and destroy it.
Now quit playing with your mommy's computer and quit lying
about how long you've been around. There are logs kept dear child.
And let's see to counter any claim of "well I didn't post before"
hmmmm "many" years of reading here and not posting yet
logs show you as only arriving THIS February in CSAM and mysteriously
you post no less than 6 times vice nothing for years?
All total in your "years" of posting to ANY group, Google
comes up with 45. And yes that is a corrected search with
and without no.spam from your ID.
Oh, yeah, baby. *That* was an intelligent, verifiable, and correct
assumption. Did you actually do a groups.google.com search on "markjd30", or
are you talking out your ass again? Here, just to prove a point-
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=markj
d30&btnG=Google+Search
10 pages of results, goes back to 6 Aug/2001
And that's just with this hotmail account (I use that now because of the
ridiculous amount of spam I get off NGs)
Let's see what a search on my old OAnet ISP brings up:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=decl...@oanet.com+group%3Acomp.sys.amiga.
*&btnG=Google+Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off
12 pages on this one, going back as far as May 16/1999
I had another ISP back in 1997, Telusplanet. I remember one of the first
things I did when I got online for the first time was check out what I could
find about Amigas, which naturally took me to the comp.sys.amiga NGs. That I
can't find any archives of my posts from then means that I was either using
a webmail email addy (which I can't remember) or the archives don't go back
that far. Suffice it to say, I've been reading the C.S.A newsgroups since
'97. That's 6 years. Hardly a "newbie", eh, dumbass?
>
> Tim Rue is a scumbag plain and simple.
No, there's nothing "plain and simple" about it. Please learn to state
opinions as opinions, not as facts. I don't think Tim is a scumbag,
therefore your "factual statement" above is false.
>
> He is reaping exactly what he sowed.
> Some of his more FINER moments.
>
> 1) After someone who had disagreed with him recently died
> he posted gleefully how they deserved it and others who disagreed
> with him.
> YUP badgering the dead, oh you must have MISSED that in ALL
> your years reading here right! Fuck off child.
Well, I admit I missed that one. Please link it in the archives. Also, make
sure that what you are saying can be conclusively proven as factual.
>
> 2) Anyone actually producing and supporting the Amiga he outright
> by name called (liars, thieves)
Once again, please prove this statement. I've read many posts where he
rambles on about not trusting the people "in charge" of the Amiga playform,
and I agree with a lot of it. Seems it's a time-honoured tradition that the
end-users get fucked over by the copyright owner. Or do you disagree with
this?
> 3) Team Amiga is actually some conspiracy to put the Amiga down
> and destroy it.
What is "Team Amiga"? Seems to me they're a bunch of argumentative whiners
who hang out in advocacy and gang up on anyone who mentions that they may
have gotten some piece of Amiga software by questionable means. Oh, and the
only "advice" they have for anyone with an Amiga-related problem is to buy
more Amiga-related stuff. Problem solved!
>
> Now quit playing with your mommy's computer and quit lying
> about how long you've been around. There are logs kept dear child.
> And let's see to counter any claim of "well I didn't post before"
> hmmmm "many" years of reading here and not posting yet
> logs show you as only arriving THIS February in CSAM and mysteriously
> you post no less than 6 times vice nothing for years?
> All total in your "years" of posting to ANY group, Google
> comes up with 45. And yes that is a corrected search with
> and without no.spam from your ID.
Oh, really. Please see above, moron.
No as you just said, it's an "opinion" just like yours is merely an
opinion. ;-)
>
> >
> > He is reaping exactly what he sowed.
> > Some of his more FINER moments.
> >
> > 1) After someone who had disagreed with him recently died
> > he posted gleefully how they deserved it and others who disagreed
> > with him.
> > YUP badgering the dead, oh you must have MISSED that in ALL
> > your years reading here right! Fuck off child.
>
> Well, I admit I missed that one. Please link it in the archives. Also,
make
> sure that what you are saying can be conclusively proven as factual.
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=580.12T9
90T14083852threeseas%40earthlink.net&rnum=47&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dgroup:comp.s
ys.amiga.*%2Bauthor:threeseas%2540earthlink.net%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF
-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D580.12T990T14083852threeseas%2540earthlink.net%26rn
um%3D47
>
> >
> > 2) Anyone actually producing and supporting the Amiga he outright
> > by name called (liars, thieves)
>
> Once again, please prove this statement. I've read many posts where he
> rambles on about not trusting the people "in charge" of the Amiga
playform,
> and I agree with a lot of it. Seems it's a time-honoured tradition that
the
> end-users get fucked over by the copyright owner. Or do you disagree with
> this?
Apparently you know how to use Google's archive, BTW the search
was only under your current posting ID. Unless you wish to pass
around a crystal ball with all of your previous ID's in it.
> > 3) Team Amiga is actually some conspiracy to put the Amiga down
> > and destroy it.
>
> What is "Team Amiga"? Seems to me they're a bunch of argumentative whiners
> who hang out in advocacy and gang up on anyone who mentions that they may
> have gotten some piece of Amiga software by questionable means. Oh, and
the
> only "advice" they have for anyone with an Amiga-related problem is to buy
> more Amiga-related stuff. Problem solved!
Team Amiga is merely a group that supports the furthering of the Amiga
platform in all aspects, hardware, software, market. Sorry if all you
see is a microcosm in CSAA, that is not at all representative of Team Amiga.
You seem to confuse an individuals posting (that happens to have Team Amiga)
in their sig as being the make all and purpose of Team Amiga.
Very shortsighed there Mark.
P.S. Get a thicker skin before venturing out on the net again.
I don't want to hurt your dainty sensibillities.
Jim
Maybe Italians phrase things differently, but people who speak *English* as
a first language use phrases like "I think" or "It appears to me" or "I
believe" to indicate that the statement following is of their opinion, not
fact. Notice how I said "I don't think Tim is a scumbag"? And notice how you
initilly said "Tim Rue is a scumbag"? One is stated as opinion, the other is
stated as fact. They teach night courses in grammer and English, you know?
Maybe you should enroll.
>
> >
> > >
> > > He is reaping exactly what he sowed.
> > > Some of his more FINER moments.
> > >
> > > 1) After someone who had disagreed with him recently died
> > > he posted gleefully how they deserved it and others who disagreed
> > > with him.
> > > YUP badgering the dead, oh you must have MISSED that in ALL
> > > your years reading here right! Fuck off child.
> >
> > Well, I admit I missed that one. Please link it in the archives. Also,
> make
> > sure that what you are saying can be conclusively proven as factual.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=580.12T9
>
90T14083852threeseas%40earthlink.net&rnum=47&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dgroup:comp.s
>
ys.amiga.*%2Bauthor:threeseas%2540earthlink.net%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF
> -8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D580.12T990T14083852threeseas%2540earthlink.net%26
rn
> um%3D47
All I see there is blunt honesty. Where did he say "he deserved it"? He
simply pointed out that Greg could on ocassion be a bit of a bastard, and he
obviously didn't like him. Bad timing, yes, but certainly not gloating or
dancing on his grave, as you seem to think. Who's being dishonest now, hmmm?
>
> >
> > >
> > > 2) Anyone actually producing and supporting the Amiga he outright
> > > by name called (liars, thieves)
> >
> > Once again, please prove this statement. I've read many posts where he
> > rambles on about not trusting the people "in charge" of the Amiga
> playform,
> > and I agree with a lot of it. Seems it's a time-honoured tradition that
> the
> > end-users get fucked over by the copyright owner. Or do you disagree
with
> > this?
>
> Apparently you know how to use Google's archive, BTW the search
> was only under your current posting ID. Unless you wish to pass
> around a crystal ball with all of your previous ID's in it.
Oh, so you admit that you were talking out your ass then?
> > > 3) Team Amiga is actually some conspiracy to put the Amiga down
> > > and destroy it.
> >
> > What is "Team Amiga"? Seems to me they're a bunch of argumentative
whiners
> > who hang out in advocacy and gang up on anyone who mentions that they
may
> > have gotten some piece of Amiga software by questionable means. Oh, and
> the
> > only "advice" they have for anyone with an Amiga-related problem is to
buy
> > more Amiga-related stuff. Problem solved!
>
> Team Amiga is merely a group that supports the furthering of the Amiga
> platform in all aspects, hardware, software, market. Sorry if all you
> see is a microcosm in CSAA, that is not at all representative of Team
Amiga.
> You seem to confuse an individuals posting (that happens to have Team
Amiga)
> in their sig as being the make all and purpose of Team Amiga.
> Very shortsighed there Mark.
Bullshit. "Team Amiga" is a ragtag group of mostly anal retentive nerds who
do nothing but split hairs about the stupidest things, gang up on
individuals in the NGs, and blindly advocate a platform which is doomed. But
you just keep on keeping on, pal. I'm sure that expensive, already obsolete
Mac clone mainboard which has no OS yet (and most likely never will) will
give you *dozens* of hours of entertainment. If you're really creative, you
can probably fit it in a case that looks like a Macintosh, install OSX and
recover a bit of losses, but our friends at AI sort of made that hard to do,
didn't they?
> P.S. Get a thicker skin before venturing out on the net again.
> I don't want to hurt your dainty sensibillities.
>
> Jim
Good lord, the man is delusional.
Mark
> On 14-Feb-03 21:33:53 Angelo <james...@cox.net> wrote:
> >Wow, from 1998 and he was still looning!
>
> You are now a participant in the act of mobbing.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?as_q=mobbing&num=100
>
> I believe it is considered illeagle
Nope. that would be a sick bird.
but in any even libel is.
And this is something you never do!
Maybe you should take a college level course on conversational English
then. ALL things individually said/written in initial context are opinions
unless corroborated as facts. When you finish your middle school
English courses, check up on the college level courses.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > He is reaping exactly what he sowed.
> > > > Some of his more FINER moments.
> > > >
> > > > 1) After someone who had disagreed with him recently died
> > > > he posted gleefully how they deserved it and others who disagreed
> > > > with him.
> > > > YUP badgering the dead, oh you must have MISSED that in ALL
> > > > your years reading here right! Fuck off child.
> > >
> > > Well, I admit I missed that one. Please link it in the archives. Also,
> > make
> > > sure that what you are saying can be conclusively proven as factual.
> >
> >
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=580.12T9
> >
>
90T14083852threeseas%40earthlink.net&rnum=47&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dgroup:comp.s
> >
>
ys.amiga.*%2Bauthor:threeseas%2540earthlink.net%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF
>
> -8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D580.12T990T14083852threeseas%2540earthlink.net%26
> rn
> > um%3D47
>
> All I see there is blunt honesty. Where did he say "he deserved it"? He
> simply pointed out that Greg could on ocassion be a bit of a bastard, and
he
> obviously didn't like him. Bad timing, yes, but certainly not gloating or
> dancing on his grave, as you seem to think. Who's being dishonest now,
hmmm?
>
That you are either a fool or a fool alone in this opinion?
Seems spot on considering everyone else in the thread
also thought it was dancing on his grave.
It's ok Mark, you're an apologist for Tim.
His pet cheerleader it seems.
> > > > 2) Anyone actually producing and supporting the Amiga he outright
> > > > by name called (liars, thieves)
> > >
> > > Once again, please prove this statement. I've read many posts where he
> > > rambles on about not trusting the people "in charge" of the Amiga
> > playform,
> > > and I agree with a lot of it. Seems it's a time-honoured tradition
that
> > the
> > > end-users get fucked over by the copyright owner. Or do you disagree
> with
> > > this?
> >
> > Apparently you know how to use Google's archive, BTW the search
> > was only under your current posting ID. Unless you wish to pass
> > around a crystal ball with all of your previous ID's in it.
>
> Oh, so you admit that you were talking out your ass then?
That you only recently started posting specifically in CSAM?
Sorry but under all the ID's you provided only the latest shows
up for CSAM and only within the last few weeks.
Try again silly one.
So what exactly ARE you doing in an Amiga newsgroup then?
You claim the Amiga is a doomed platform and the new Amiga's
are just obsolete over priced Mac clones.
You sound like a born again Christain preaching the evils
of Amiga. Sorry bub, hang on to you Windows platform
and preach elsewhere. You want a donation for your
ministry? There's your 2c, now shove it up you ass and
play solitaire.
> > P.S. Get a thicker skin before venturing out on the net again.
> > I don't want to hurt your dainty sensibillities.
> >
> > Jim
>
> Good lord, the man is delusional.
> Mark
As expected. Another poser claiming the stars and
moon but you just condemned the Amiga and the A1
so what is your agenda here other than evangelism
for the evil Amiga?
Sad Mark, and you almost got through 2 posts before
your true colors shown through.
Jim
Want to fight? How about you shove your head up your
ass and fight for air! heehee
[SNIP]
> Maybe Italians phrase things differently, but people who speak *English* as
> a first language use phrases like "I think" or "It appears to me" or "I
> believe" to indicate that the statement following is of their opinion, not
> fact. Notice how I said "I don't think Tim is a scumbag"? And notice how you
> initilly said "Tim Rue is a scumbag"? One is stated as opinion, the other is
> stated as fact. They teach night courses in grammer and English, you know?
> Maybe you should enroll.
[SNIP]
> All I see there is blunt honesty. Where did he say "he deserved it"? He
> simply pointed out that Greg could on ocassion be a bit of a bastard, and he
> obviously didn't like him. Bad timing, yes, but certainly not gloating or
> dancing on his grave, as you seem to think. Who's being dishonest now, hmmm?
You miss the point in that this was only one of many such instances of Tim's
"bad timing" as you put it. How many times does he have to be guilty of such
before you would concede that he is not just inept but actually deliberately
abusive. Give us a figure 20, 30, 100, more? There are ample examples in the
archives to satisfy just about any figure you care to mention and certainly more
than enough for the example figures I show.
[SNIP]
> Bullshit. "Team Amiga" is a ragtag group of mostly anal retentive nerds who
Fact or opinion? Given your earlier point since you know the error in the above
you are more guilty than those you argue with. There is nothing sillier than
being guilty of that which you accuse others of.
How many times has he been attacked here without any provocation? 20, 30,
100, more? Maybe he's just giving like he gets? I don't know. I don't spend
every waking minute scanning the NGs, so maybe I am missing something here,
but my initial post to Jim was in reaction to reading a slanderous post,
completely out of the blue, and with no apparent provocation.
Unconstructive, and immature IMHO.
> [SNIP]
>
> > Bullshit. "Team Amiga" is a ragtag group of mostly anal retentive nerds
who
>
> Fact or opinion? Given your earlier point since you know the error in the
above
> you are more guilty than those you argue with. There is nothing sillier
than
> being guilty of that which you accuse others of.
Yes, that was an opinion. Or rhetoric, or whatever you'd like to call it.
Guilty as charged ;^) In my defence, I had my flame-proof suit on, including
asbestos gloves, and couldn't type properly....
-Mark D
Yes you are missing that newsgroups DON'T require every waking minute.
There is this neat little thing called msg headers and showing only unread
msgs.
It has NEVER been without provocation. Tim has provided it in buckets.
As with John the last straw was Tim harping on the grave of a dead man
in response to his wife posting here appreciating the people who had
conversed with him! Tim has NEVER apologised for this disgusting
and low action so please save the rhetoric about how badly you
think he's been treated.
> but my initial post to Jim was in reaction to reading a slanderous post,
> completely out of the blue, and with no apparent provocation.
> Unconstructive, and immature IMHO.
The only thing "out of the blue" was your response with as you now
admit, no knowledge of the history involved. Quite frankly the only
thing imature here is someone butting in without having the courtesy
of knowing what the hell they are even refferencing.
Ever heard of the 30 second rule in conversations? Well extend
that to a least a week to accomodate Usenet.
Jim
>
> "John Burns" <jo...@grizo.free-onlineNOJUNK.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:91792821521744...@news.free-online.net...
> > On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:03:29 GMT, "Mark" wrote:
> >
> > [SNIP]
> > You miss the point in that this was only one of many such instances of
> Tim's
> > "bad timing" as you put it. How many times does he have to be guilty of
> such
> > before you would concede that he is not just inept but actually
> deliberately
> > abusive. Give us a figure 20, 30, 100, more? There are ample examples in
> the
> > archives to satisfy just about any figure you care to mention and
> certainly more
> > than enough for the example figures I show.
>
> How many times has he been attacked here without any provocation? 20, 30,
> 100, more? Maybe he's just giving like he gets? I don't know. I don't spend
I can't recall that he has been attacked out of the blue without being
provocative, lying, misquoting or just being plain rude first.
> every waking minute scanning the NGs, so maybe I am missing something here,
> but my initial post to Jim was in reaction to reading a slanderous post,
> completely out of the blue, and with no apparent provocation.
> Unconstructive, and immature IMHO.
It is not my aim nor intention to defend Jim's post (they are his problem) but I
do feel that given your admitted lack of knowledge of Timmy maybe you shouldn't
be so vociferous in your defence of what ultimately is the undefendable. Should
one insult or swear at those with whom you argue? probably not. That said, in
Tim's case he is only reaping what he sowed.
I have, and I know Jim has too, made mistakes in posts which when pointed out we
are willing to accept as our mistakes and apologise for. Tim to the best of my
knowledge has yet to make any such apology for any of the slanderous and
erroneous statements he has made. In fact his usual tactic is to demand proof
that he said such - you provide it - he then snips it out and ignores it or
just refuses to reply. Is it any wonder then that people get frustrated and
thereby annoyed with him.
[SNIP]
> Yes, that was an opinion. Or rhetoric, or whatever you'd like to call it.
> Guilty as charged ;^) In my defence, I had my flame-proof suit on, including
> asbestos gloves, and couldn't type properly....
'Nuff said. no excuses.
Hm. Should I mention Tim's public slagging of Joanne Dow? You all
remember - right? The one where he posted a personal email from her wherein
she discussed matters with him in confidence? And when she found out that
he'd broken her trust, she sent him an email breaking off their
communication? And he posted that as well? Then attacked her and called
her, IIRC, a "fucking bitch"?
Nah, I won't bring that up.
--
http://home.cfl.rr.com/delversdungeon/index.htm
Remove the X's in my email address to respond.
Me: "What you have to understand, dear, is that the internet is a global
community...a village!"
My Wife: "And you're the village idiot, right?"
I hate furries.
Or Tim's dancing on graves. How could we forget when
Patrick Ford's wife was posting here to thank all that
had conversed with him and good ole Tim jumping in
thanking the heart attack and how others he was
arguing with should have a similar fate.
This is why I re-posted the FAQ. Too many newbies
playing cheerleader apologizing for Tim.
Jim
> Jim
I do not use the no-archive header bit. Meaning all my posts are available
thru google unless there is some reason not of my doings.
If what you claim exist, then you should be able to find it and provide a
link.
I think you are the newbie and following rumor, not fact. Or more likely
you are just a simple troll.... and a newbie..
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22troll+FAQ%22&btnG=Google+Search
I don't use the no-archive header bit. Meaning that all my posts are
available thru google unless for some reason beyond my doings.
It's easy to make stuff up, easy to take things out of context, easy to
make claims....
But google makes it easy to just post a link too....
Perhaps there is a dishonest reason why you don't?
for the lazy....
for the less lazy (go here and click on the "complete thread" link)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7650.350T2538T6886032%40mindspring.com
I have no axe to grind either way but I must say I can't find the post,
"attacked her and called
her, IIRC, a "fucking bitch"?"
Maybe you could point me in the right direction re. this post, just for the
sake of completeness.
George Mac
>George Mac
learn to use google...
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=timrue+bitch+joanne
Amazing how posts four years old are still valid today. Perhaps even more
so.
Thanks . Enlightening!
You have the attributes missing. The above was posted by
"Bill Silvey" <bxsxixl...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:EIZ5a.23247$Cv4.4...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > > Hm. Should I mention Tim's public slagging of Joanne Dow? You all
> > > remember - right? The one where he posted a personal email from her
> > wherein
> > > she discussed matters with him in confidence? And when she found out
> that
> > > he'd broken her trust, she sent him an email breaking off their
> > > communication? And he posted that as well? Then attacked her and
> called
> > > her, IIRC, a "fucking bitch"?
> > >
> > > Nah, I won't bring that up.
I posted about his dancing on Patrick Ford's grave by responding to his
wife posting here with Tim posting how fortuitous a heart attack is and how
some
arguing with him should follow the same fate.
This was when his wife was posting here after he died thanking others
that had conversed with him over the years.
Jim
>I posted about his dancing on Patrick Ford's grave by responding to his
>wife posting here with Tim posting how fortuitous a heart attack is and how
>some
>arguing with him should follow the same fate.
>This was when his wife was posting here after he died thanking others
>that had conversed with him over the years.
> Jim
The only dancing going on here is you dancing on a claim you can't provide
proof to, making it a claim you fabricated from nothing.
> On 28-Feb-03 17:56:14 Angelo <james...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >I posted about his dancing on Patrick Ford's grave by responding to his
> >wife posting here with Tim posting how fortuitous a heart attack is and how
> >some
> >arguing with him should follow the same fate.
> >This was when his wife was posting here after he died thanking others
> >that had conversed with him over the years.
>
> > Jim
>
>
>
> The only dancing going on here is you dancing on a claim you can't provide
> proof to, making it a claim you fabricated from nothing.
Are you denying that you made such a statement referring to heart attacks at the
time in question? We all know you said it (I suspect you know you did) so why do
you insist that we provide a link. After all you'll just ignore it, as you
always do when shown to be lying/wrong.
Show me what you are talking about. Such a statement as what?
there have been quite a few people having heart related deaths and
problems that have also wrongfully spoken out against me.
That is their problem, not mine.
> On 01-Mar-03 20:56:24 John Burns <jo...@grizo.free-onlineNOJUNK.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >On Sat, 01 Mar 2003 05:24:50 GMT, "Timothy Rue" wrote:
>
> >> On 28-Feb-03 17:56:14 Angelo <james...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I posted about his dancing on Patrick Ford's grave by responding to his
> >> >wife posting here with Tim posting how fortuitous a heart attack is and
> >> >how some arguing with him should follow the same fate. This was when his
> >> >wife was posting here after he died thanking others that had conversed
> >> >with him over the years.
> >>
> >> > Jim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The only dancing going on here is you dancing on a claim you can't provide
> >> proof to, making it a claim you fabricated from nothing.
>
> >Are you denying that you made such a statement referring to heart attacks at
> >the time in question? We all know you said it (I suspect you know you did) so
> >why do you insist that we provide a link. After all you'll just ignore it, as
> >you always do when shown to be lying/wrong.
>
> Show me what you are talking about. Such a statement as what?
Ok you rude little liar (since you have previously denied making any such
statement) read it and weep. Caught again, what a plonker.
Heart attack
Why is it that you can come here and spout off about finding old posts on Google
yet when it comes to the crud you yourself are guilty of you suddenly suffer a
very convenient lapse of skill in the very same area.
> there have been quite a few people having heart related deaths and problems
> that have also wrongfully spoken out against me.
You miss the point of your own ignorance - it was not the comment itself which
is offensive (at least not to me) as I don't expect any better from you. What
was wrong however, was the timing of such a comment as previously mentioned.
Unlike you I'm an adult and I can take any of your childish taunts when you have
lost yet another argument but that does not excuse you from posting what could
potentially upset another innocent party in their time of grief.
> That is their problem, not mine.
Yeah, Yeah, it never is your fault or problem is it. You just want to continue
in your little fantasy world where your are always in the right and everyone
else is wrong. Try real life for once Tim - You may actually find you enjoy it.
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22heart+attack%22+group:
comp.sys.amiga.*+author:Timothy+author:Rue&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=r&
&rnum=1
Here is a tip for you John, and anyone else that wants it.
You can greatly trim a Google URL, to the article. For example the above
url which didn't show up correctly (in such a manner to be able to click
on it and go there) can be trimmed to
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6518.659T531T9513593threeseas%40earthlink.net
which almost fits on a line in my newsreader.
There is a thread of 8 messages that message is a part of, if you want to
put what you are refering to in full context.
You are a jerk John, you are a troll. The only think I'm guilty of is
falling for you trolling.
hows your health? Could there be some connection to the mindset of those
who have given me a hard time and bad health habits that lead to heart
problems? probably!
> On 03-Mar-03 01:29:06 John Burns <jo...@grizo.free-onlineNOJUNK.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
[SNIP]
> Here is a tip for you John, and anyone else that wants it.
>
> You can greatly trim a Google URL, to the article. For example the above url
> which didn't show up correctly (in such a manner to be able to click on it
> and go there) can be trimmed to
Yes but as you well know you could easily have found the same details just by
typing "timrue" and "heart atttack". Since your lying about saying such a thing
forced me to do a google search I felt it only fair to make you do some work
yourself, you dumbass.
> which almost fits on a line in my newsreader.
>
> There is a thread of 8 messages that message is a part of, if you want to
> put what you are refering to in full context.
I note that you snipped the part of the post which referred specifically to the
context and instead wish to concentrate on some side issue of URL quoting. Could
it be that you are trying to sidestep the actual point of the post - Your
rudeness and lying.
> You are a jerk John, you are a troll. The only think I'm guilty of is
> falling for you trolling.
Ah, here comes the old standby. Tim has been confronted with the truth -
something he does not wish to accept - therefore the poster must be a troll.
Upset you has it Tim. If you don't wish your lies or rude comment to be exposed
then stop lying or being rude. It's quite a simple concept really so even you
should be able to understand it.
> hows your health? Could there be some connection to the mindset of those who
> have given me a hard time and bad health habits that lead to heart problems?
> probably!
Actually I'd say there are probably more people who have given you a hard time
who are in good health. It does not surprise me that you use such a nonsense
argument since it is essentially the same one used by ufologists and
paranormalists. e.g. Ignore the majority which disproves and concentrate on the
minority which affirms or is ambiguous.
Tim I suspect that your lonely life is not, as you claimed previously, due to
PTSD but to the fact that you are just an ignorant, little minded, toe-rag. PTSD
is no doubt a crutch you use in order to negate having to face up to the reality
of having little social or intellectual skill.
Give us all a laugh Tim post the results of the online psych test or are you
afraid to take it?
I tried it and got 3 Moderates with the rest Low.