Haynie Cludge
Michael Schuldman
In the last swedish Magazine "DMZ" (crap IMO) there is a "rewiev"
of the A4000T, in which it is stated that the 2/8MB CHIP RAM
switch is gone, but a new "free sex and beer" switch has appered,
called "Haynie Cludge" (well hidden it says), does anyone know anything
about this ?
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Aaron Teitlebaum
: In the last swedish Magazine "DMZ" (crap IMO) there is a "rewiev"
: of the A4000T, in which it is stated that the 2/8MB CHIP RAM
: switch is gone, but a new "free sex and beer" switch has appered,
: called "Haynie Cludge" (well hidden it says), does anyone know anything
: about this ?
As the story goes, Hazy once said that you should never switch the 2/8
meg chip RAM switch, even if you're offered free sex and beer. :)
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Paul Kolenbrander
In article <30v7ci$e...@ns.oar.net> aar...@hypnos.norden1.com (Aaron Teitlebaum) writes:
> As the story goes, Hazy once said that you should never switch the 2/8
> meg chip RAM switch, even if you're offered free sex and beer. :)
Close but no cigar. :-) Dave said this re. any jumper whose workings
you are not sure about. Specifically he said the following:
NEVER EVER mess with a PCB jumper you don't understand, even if it's
labelled "SEX AND FREE BEER".
--Dave Haynie
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Dave Haynie
>In the last swedish Magazine "DMZ" (crap IMO) there is a "rewiev"
>of the A4000T, in which it is stated that the 2/8MB CHIP RAM
>switch is gone, but a new "free sex and beer" switch has appered,
>called "Haynie Cludge" (well hidden it says), does anyone know anything
>about this ?
That's spelled "Kludge". This jumper activates a modified type of
Zorro III cycle, a thing called "early size mode". This lets a Zorro
III cycle indicate its data transfer size at address time, rather than
waiting until data time. It should be compatible with all boards that
follow the Zorro III specs. But since we couldn't test this in
advance, it was made a jumperable option. This mode is described in
the Zorro III addendum that I wrote in April '93 or so.
Dave Haynie | ex-Commodore Engineering | Ki No Kawa Ryu Aikido
Sr. Systems Engineer | Class of '94 | "Life was never
Scala Inc., US R&D | "See us in the movie!" | meant to be painless"
Dave Haynie
Close. People were changing the 2/8 meg jumper around, and complaining
it didn't do anything. I said it doesn't do anything, and in some
cases might even cause you problems. That jumper was left over from
the original A3000+ prototype, back when there was a chance that there
would be a CMOS Alice capable of 8Meg addressing. It was just an idea,
I made sure Alice had the right connections. I believe the production
Alice may even use those pins for something else. So you leave that
jumper alone. I said you shouldn't change any jumper you don't
understand, even if it's labelled "Sex and Free Beer".
Andreas Stenmark
MS> In the last swedish Magazine "DMZ" (crap IMO) there is a "rewiev" of
MS> the A4000T, in which it is stated that the 2/8MB CHIP RAM switch is
MS> gone, but a new "free sex and beer" switch has appered, called "Haynie
MS> Cludge" (well hidden it says), does anyone know anything about this ?
I always thought the original quote was "sex and free beer". Makes more sense,
unless you are normally charged for your sex...
Besides, I wouldn't trust DMz anyway. They can't even tell AIBB from SysInfo
(disinfo?).
/Andreas Stenmark@2:204/418.5 (Internet: c92a...@und.ida.liu.se)
... In DoubleSpace, noone can hear you scream
Jerry Stalnaker
I was a BIG fan of the AMIGA until the AGA era.
I always felt they were overpriced, but I liked what they did and bought
them anyway.
Well I have a question you might answer, why didn't the 3000 become the
3000 AGA (4000). Every time Commie started a plan they make something
cheaper and wanted more money for it. I read once ( I think 1990 or
1991 ) that of the 10 top paid CEO's and execs in the Computer industry
Commodore had 6 of the top 10. Was this their problem of inflation to
the extreme, and I am only saying US becouse I knew knothing of the Euro
market prices..
Hey my biggest gripe with Commie was having to buy a flicker fixer, they
way I looked at it it was the stupidest thing to be done. I wanted to
get rid of the black scan lines, pay $250, but they were there for the
video editing people, .001% of their sales were their main concern.
I hope this makes since I just felt that their output should have been
better when it was built, and if someone needed NTSC for Video
capabilities let him pay an additional $250 to get it...
thanks for any COMENTS or replys
jerry
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Maxwell Daymon
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: I was a BIG fan of the AMIGA until the AGA era.
: I always felt they were overpriced, but I liked what they did and bought
: them anyway.
: Well I have a question you might answer, why didn't the 3000 become the
: 3000 AGA (4000). Every time Commie started a plan they make something
Sydnes and Ali. That WAS the plan (A3000+) It even had an on-board DSP.
: cheaper and wanted more money for it. I read once ( I think 1990 or
: 1991 ) that of the 10 top paid CEO's and execs in the Computer industry
: Commodore had 6 of the top 10. Was this their problem of inflation to
: the extreme, and I am only saying US becouse I knew knothing of the Euro
: market prices..
Yes, it was inflation. Inflation of corporate egos.
: Hey my biggest gripe with Commie was having to buy a flicker fixer, they
: way I looked at it it was the stupidest thing to be done. I wanted to
: get rid of the black scan lines, pay $250, but they were there for the
: video editing people, .001% of their sales were their main concern.
Nope. Video and games (read: Amigas connected to televisions) were the
absolute two largest markets.
: I hope this makes since I just felt that their output should have been
: better when it was built, and if someone needed NTSC for Video
: capabilities let him pay an additional $250 to get it...
Say bye bye to the game (connected to TV market). The Amiga's LARGEST
market. You forget that NTSC and PAL are essential to connect to a TV.
The Hardware deinterlacers and scan doublers are very nice actually. I
wish the A4000 had one. The computers works half as much for the same
quality as a raw bandwidth output. Having BOTH capabilities would have
been nice, and of course the A3000 did come with a di/sd.
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// | "NEVER EVER mess with a PCB jumper you don't
// Maxwell Daymon | understand, even if it's labelled 'SEX AND
\\ // mda...@rmii.com | FREE BEER'."
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Steve Bara
: Hey my biggest gripe with Commie was having to buy a flicker fixer, they
: way I looked at it it was the stupidest thing to be done. I wanted to
: get rid of the black scan lines, pay $250, but they were there for the
: video editing people, .001% of their sales were their main concern.
: I hope this makes since I just felt that their output should have been
: better when it was built, and if someone needed NTSC for Video
: capabilities let him pay an additional $250 to get it...
.001%? Where were you for the past 10 years? The amiga's MAIN market in
the US is video, period. CBM's own research showed them that. Their
machines were built a) to use video monitors for video work, and
b) designed to use video so as to allow people to use really cheap
monitors (not that the 1084 was cheap, but composite monitors are quite
cheap). So, when it comes down to it, their only professional market
that the had ANY success with was video, and in the US it was the thing
that kept them going as long as they did. Their two markets were high-end
video applications here in the US (mainly), and low-end home computers in
Europe, with very little home use in the US at all, and both of these
markets demand composite video compatibility and output. In the US, there are
more amigas in TV stations and video post houses than in homes.
Anne Arundel Community College Library
: : I hope this makes since I just felt that their output should have been
: : better when it was built, and if someone needed NTSC for Video
: : capabilities let him pay an additional $250 to get it...
: Say bye bye to the game (connected to TV market). The Amiga's LARGEST
: market. You forget that NTSC and PAL are essential to connect to a TV.
What if the AGA Amigas included a jumper or switch setting that
hardware promoted the video output. This maintains NTSC/PAL
compatability AND allows Amiga owners to buy cheap VGA compatible products.
: The Hardware deinterlacers and scan doublers are very nice actually. I
: wish the A4000 had one. The computers works half as much for the same
: quality as a raw bandwidth output. Having BOTH capabilities would have
: been nice, and of course the A3000 did come with a di/sd.
Hardware deinterlacers aren't as nice as you think Max. On my
A3000 I get a "double image" during animations (including moving the
mouse pointer) because of the hardware deinterlacer. I never really
noticed in until I used Scala with a VGA Magnabyte. Boy, did that look
awful! Luckily I also had a large screen TV at my disposal. =]
...Dave Gomme
zd...@aacc.bitnet