Where is SG
Petri Airio
Where is SG and his marvelous stories ?
anamigan
> After many years remembered to look here but alas !
> Where is SG and his marvelous stories ?
I'm sure someone will have a theory or something to
give you a pointer in the right direction.
Do you still have or use an Amiga?
Terry
Petri Airio
UAE sometimes. Why ?
Gary Beeton
> anamigan <anam...@home.org> wrote:
>> Do you still have or use an Amiga?
>
> UAE sometimes. Why ?
Because Terry won't let you voice your opinion here unless you use an
Amiga as your primary computer, only resorting to using PCs for all
those things that Amigas can't do (Terry calls his PCs 'peripherals').
As for SG, last I heard of him was shortly after he left this group. He
got kicked out of some moderated digital photography forum for being his
usual self and changed his name to George Preddy.
--
Gary Beeton
anamigan
> Petri Airio wrote:
>> anamigan <anam...@home.org> wrote:
>>> Do you still have or use an Amiga?
>> UAE sometimes. Why ?
> Because Terry won't let you voice your opinion here unless you use an
> Amiga as your primary computer, only resorting to using PCs for all
> those things that Amigas can't do (Terry calls his PCs 'peripherals').
Actually Beeton Troll, I was just asking. Baff is the formal term.
> As for SG, last I heard of him was shortly after he left this group. He
> got kicked out of some moderated digital photography forum for being his
> usual self and changed his name to George Preddy.
So actually the last you heard of SG was when he left this group.
Terry
(who actually has Steve's mailing address and all)
Gary Beeton
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:50:37 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> Because Terry won't let you voice your opinion here unless you use an
>> Amiga as your primary computer, only resorting to using PCs for all
>> those things that Amigas can't do (Terry calls his PCs 'peripherals').
>
> Actually Beeton Troll, I was just asking.
Yes and we've all seen where your questions lead.
> Baff is the formal term.
British Armed Forces Federation?
>> As for SG, last I heard of him was shortly after he left this group. He
>> got kicked out of some moderated digital photography forum for being his
>> usual self and changed his name to George Preddy.
>
> So actually the last you heard of SG was when he left this group.
I think I just finished saying that.
> Terry
>
> (who actually has Steve's mailing address and all)
If you keep in touch with SteveGeorge then why couldn't you answer
Petri's question?
--
Gary Beeton
Petri Airio
> Petri Airio wrote:
>> anamigan <anam...@home.org> wrote:
>
>>> Do you still have or use an Amiga?
>>
>> UAE sometimes. Why ?
>
> Because Terry won't let you voice your opinion here unless you use an
> Amiga as your primary computer, only resorting to using PCs for all
> those things that Amigas can't do (Terry calls his PCs 'peripherals').
I only have this quadcore/4G/raid0 running linux thing now and couple
spare sun sparcs, does that help ?
> As for SG, last I heard of him was shortly after he left this group. He
> got kicked out of some moderated digital photography forum for being his
> usual self and changed his name to George Preddy.
Right. Lately have been found some similar aspect on other groups that SG,
groups dealing with evolution vs creatinism. Wonder how reading those somehow
remembered to look here also! :)
Clocky
"Petri Airio" <pet...@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:7frgk.35601$_03....@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
Last I heard he was George Preddy and he was advocating the use of an
obsolete camera in some photography newsgroup. Basically an variation on a
theme, only Terry was stupid enough to take his nonsense seriously when he
was doing his act in this group.
anamigan
> anamigan wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:50:37 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>>> Because Terry won't let you voice your opinion here unless you use an
>>> Amiga as your primary computer, only resorting to using PCs for all
>>> those things that Amigas can't do (Terry calls his PCs 'peripherals').
>> Actually Beeton Troll, I was just asking.
> Yes and we've all seen where your questions lead.
Are you trying to say something here Beeton Troll?
>> Baff is the formal term.
> British Armed Forces Federation?
I'm sorry, I'd forgotten your complete inability to achieve
google requests that yield answers.
>>> As for SG, last I heard of him was shortly after he left this group. He
>>> got kicked out of some moderated digital photography forum for being his
>>> usual self and changed his name to George Preddy.
>> So actually the last you heard of SG was when he left this group.
> I think I just finished saying that.
No, you have assumed as many others have, that somehow
these two posters are related and are passing that off as a
substantiated fact.
>> (who actually has Steve's mailing address and all)
> If you keep in touch with SteveGeorge then why couldn't you answer
> Petri's question?
I didn't say I kept in touch with Steve. However, unlike you I did have
dealings with Steve that verified what he claimed for his machine. While
you climaxed with an A4000 040@40MHz I purchased his complete
CSPPC/CVPPC/SCSIUW@10Krpm setup for a substantially discounted
price and experienced the high end of Amigadom. I continue to have
that experience with my 渙1 which runs the updated Amiga OS4 as
well as my legacy productivty software.
Terry
anamigan
> Gary Beeton <gbe...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Petri Airio wrote:
>>> anamigan <anam...@home.org> wrote:
>>>> Do you still have or use an Amiga?
>>> UAE sometimes. Why ?
>> Because Terry won't let you voice your opinion here unless you use an
>> Amiga as your primary computer, only resorting to using PCs for all
>> those things that Amigas can't do (Terry calls his PCs 'peripherals').
> I only have this quadcore/4G/raid0 running linux thing now and couple
> spare sun sparcs, does that help ?
As usual Beeton Troll is a tad delusional assigning me 'godlike' powers
of censorship over an open unmoderated usenet newsgroup.
I finally cleared my legacy pc hardware out along with a sparc box
and moved to a couple of cheap quad builds myself. Now all my
machine's have the same level of responsiveness. I click and things
happen.
Terry
Clocky
"anamigan" <anam...@home.org> wrote in message
news:1115713234648511.N...@news.dccnet.com...
> well as my legacy productivty software.
>
Other than nostalgia there is not one reason to power up an Amiga.
Gary Beeton
> Gary Beeton <gbe...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Because Terry won't let you voice your opinion here unless you use an
>> Amiga as your primary computer, only resorting to using PCs for all
>> those things that Amigas can't do (Terry calls his PCs 'peripherals').
>
> I only have this quadcore/4G/raid0 running linux thing now and couple
> spare sun sparcs, does that help ?
That will certainly help get your computing needs accomplished! Just
don't expect TerryTroll to give you the time of day.
>> As for SG, last I heard of him was shortly after he left this group. He
>> got kicked out of some moderated digital photography forum for being his
>> usual self and changed his name to George Preddy.
>
> Right. Lately have been found some similar aspect on other groups that SG,
> groups dealing with evolution vs creatinism. Wonder how reading those somehow
> remembered to look here also! :)
:)
--
Gary Beeton
Gary Beeton
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:28:03 GMT, Petri Airio wrote:
>
>> Gary Beeton <gbe...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>> Because Terry won't let you voice your opinion here unless you use an
>>> Amiga as your primary computer, only resorting to using PCs for all
>>> those things that Amigas can't do (Terry calls his PCs 'peripherals').
>
>> I only have this quadcore/4G/raid0 running linux thing now and couple
>> spare sun sparcs, does that help ?
>
> As usual Beeton Troll is a tad delusional assigning me 'godlike' powers
> of censorship over an open unmoderated usenet newsgroup.
Naw, you'll just flame him to death unless he participates in and
"passes" your infantile test.
> I finally cleared my legacy pc hardware out along with a sparc box
> and moved to a couple of cheap quad builds myself. Now all my
> machine's have the same level of responsiveness. I click and things
> happen.
IOW, your Amiga still can't cut the mustard on its own.
--
Gary Beeton
Gary Beeton
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:38:40 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> Yes and we've all seen where your questions lead.
>
> Are you trying to say something here Beeton Troll?
No, your actions speak louder than words.
>>> Baff is the formal term.
>
>> British Armed Forces Federation?
>
> I'm sorry, I'd forgotten your complete inability to achieve
> google requests that yield answers.
I'm sorry, I'd forgotten that you are incapable of communicating in
English. (Or any other known language for that matter)
>> I think I just finished saying that.
>
> No, you have assumed as many others have, that somehow
> these two posters are related and are passing that off as a
> substantiated fact.
Your mentor and master is a crackpot. Get over it already.
>> If you keep in touch with SteveGeorge then why couldn't you answer
>> Petri's question?
>
> I didn't say I kept in touch with Steve. However, unlike you I did have
> dealings with Steve that verified what he claimed for his machine. While
> you climaxed with an A4000 040@40MHz I purchased his complete
> CSPPC/CVPPC/SCSIUW@10Krpm setup for a substantially discounted
> price and experienced the high end of Amigadom. I continue to have
> that experience with my µA1 which runs the updated Amiga OS4 as
> well as my legacy productivty software.
All that proves is that you are content to waste a great deal of time
and money for minimal reward.
--
Gary Beeton
anamigan
> Other than nostalgia there is not one reason to power up an Amiga.
You take a very great risk "Clocky" of being generalized as a somewhat
megalomaniacal individual like the Beeton Troll. Please remember that we
all only speak for ourselves, so the addition of `in my opinion' or `I'
will
help temper that view.
At my house, my 渙1 is on 24/7 and has been since the day I got it.
As well, many other people that I am in daily contact with are running
AmigaOne's and Classical Hardware.
Terry
anamigan
> anamigan wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:28:03 GMT, Petri Airio wrote:
>>> Gary Beeton <gbe...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> Because Terry won't let you voice your opinion here
>>>> unless you use an Amiga as your primary computer,
>>>> only resorting to using PCs for all those things that
>>>> Amigas can't do (Terry calls his PCs 'peripherals').
>>> I only have this quadcore/4G/raid0 running linux thing
>>> now and couple spare sun sparcs, does that help ?
>> As usual Beeton Troll is a tad delusional assigning me
>> 'godlike' powers of censorship over an open unmoderated
>> usenet newsgroup.
> Naw, you'll just flame him to death unless he participates
> in and "passes" your infantile test.
*Terry places himself upwind of Beeton Troll's charred and
stinking body*
Beeton Troll, you may have voided all possibility of
a rational discussion with me through your spiteful,
malicious and rage filled attacks but don't for one
second project that on other posters that have not
ignored multiple warnings to cease and desist with
a pogrom of calumny and vilification against me as
you did.
>> I finally cleared my legacy pc hardware out along with
>> a sparc box and moved to a couple of cheap quad builds
>> myself. Now all my machine's have the same level of
>> responsiveness. I click and things happen.
> IOW, your Amiga still can't cut the mustard on its own.
What a briliant non sequitur Beeton Troll.
Terry
anamigan
> anamigan wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:38:40 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>>> Yes and we've all seen where your questions lead.
>> Are you trying to say something here Beeton Troll?
> No, your actions speak louder than words.
Like when I ran multiple OS's to compare and contrast
my applications on the Amiga with everyone else's
choices on Linux and Windows to back up my
opinions?
Like when the other trolls broke ranks and participated
in my "infantile" test because they actually could?
Like when I demonstrated how many real allies
you had with the google challenge to find your
posting, betting with me?
Like when I made good on my warning that you had
crossed the line with your continued traducement
and I documented it from google post after post,
herein referred to as "flaming you to death",
your words not mine?
>>>> Baff is the formal term.
>>> British Armed Forces Federation?
>> I'm sorry, I'd forgotten your complete inability to
>> achieve google requests that yield answers.
> I'm sorry, I'd forgotten that you are incapable of
> communicating in English. (Or any other known
> language for that matter)
Ad hominem isn't working for you anymore Beeton
Troll, just because you cannot or will not acknowledge
my statements of fact doesn't mean that others don't
notice your tactics.
>>> I think I just finished saying that.
>> No, you have assumed as many others have, that somehow
>> these two posters are related and are passing that off as a
>> substantiated fact.
> Your mentor and master is a crackpot. Get over it already.
You see, you never stop. Mixing ad hominem and non sequitur
is best left to people who understand such concepts. On you
they just look lame Beeton Troll.
Steve Giovenella for me was an Amigan who pushed the
limits of the Amiga for speed. He succeeded, I actually ran
that hardware on my machine. The fact that he also drove
the trolls in C.S.A.A. into frequent frenzies was a bonus.
>>> If you keep in touch with SteveGeorge then why couldn't
>>> you answer Petri's question?
>> I didn't say I kept in touch with Steve. However, unlike you I did have
>> dealings with Steve that verified what he claimed for his machine. While
>> you climaxed with an A4000 040@40MHz I purchased his complete
>> CSPPC/CVPPC/SCSIUW@10Krpm setup for a substantially discounted
>> price and experienced the high end of Amigadom. I continue to have
>> that experience with my µA1 which runs the updated Amiga OS4 as
>> well as my legacy productivty software.
> All that proves is that you are content to waste a great deal of time
> and money for minimal reward.
One might make those overly generalized assumptions if there were no
alternative expanations or if one just wanted to generate a negative
view.
How do you gauge the reward of using multiple OS's at Amiga
speeds for responsiveness?
How do you gauge the reward of using medium format film gear with
Digital Cameras becoming ubiquitos?
How do you gauge the reward of using a 2.1MP C2100UZ when 5 to
10MP cameras abound?
How do you gauge the reward from using a computer OS that you
have used for 20+ years?
Can you tell everyone what equipment was used?
Terry
Sam Smith
> Like when I ran multiple OS's to compare and contrast
> my applications on the Amiga with everyone else's
> choices on Linux and Windows to back up my
> opinions?
Shame I missed that.
I have been looking to getting back into the Amiga when new hardware
comes out and that list would be useful. One of the problems I can see
is that most of the general software I use simply isn't available which
is a great shame. Your list might help me out.
What is the Amiga equivalent of the following PC software:
Excel
Firefox/IE
Photoshop
Lightwave 9.5
Thanks.
---
Sam
Gary Beeton
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:34:46 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> No, your actions speak louder than words.
>
> Like when I ran multiple OS's to compare and contrast
> my applications on the Amiga with everyone else's
> choices on Linux and Windows to back up my
> opinions?
You did no such thing, troll. You ran a news reader, either because
your Amiga was foobared at the time or so that you could brag about your
amazing computer skills. Either way you made no comparisons nor contrasts.
> Like when the other trolls broke ranks and participated
> in my "infantile" test because they actually could?
And they regretted doing so once your intentions became clear.
> Like when I demonstrated how many real allies
> you had with the google challenge to find your
> posting, betting with me?
Need I remind you that you *still* haven't paid up?
> Like when I made good on my warning that you had
> crossed the line with your continued traducement
> and I documented it from google post after post,
> herein referred to as "flaming you to death",
> your words not mine?
"Made good" on your warning??? LOL! You mean you bleated like a stuck
pig when I showed you up for what you are, don't you?
And no, that's not what I was referring to. I was talking about things
like your infamous Amigan ranking system. Like the way you relentlessly
flame anybody who doesn't prostrate themselves before you. Like your
holier-than-thou tirades. Like your constant lying about the Amiga's
capabilities. Shit like that.
>> I'm sorry, I'd forgotten that you are incapable of
>> communicating in English. (Or any other known
>> language for that matter)
>
> Ad hominem isn't working for you anymore Beeton
> Troll, just because you cannot or will not acknowledge
> my statements of fact doesn't mean that others don't
> notice your tactics.
I'd be more than happy to acknowledge your statements of fact if ever
you make one. I won't be holding my breath.
>> Your mentor and master is a crackpot. Get over it already.
>
> You see, you never stop. Mixing ad hominem and non sequitur
> is best left to people who understand such concepts. On you
> they just look lame Beeton Troll.
I bow to your mastery of mixing ad hominem and non sequitur.
> Steve Giovenella for me was an Amigan who pushed the
> limits of the Amiga for speed. He succeeded, I actually ran
> that hardware on my machine.
It doesn't surprise me in the least that you should choose to take
computer advise from the second most idiotic individual on the planet.
> The fact that he also drove
> the trolls in C.S.A.A. into frequent frenzies was a bonus.
Ah, so your frequent frenzies are SteveGeorges fault now. I wonder if
he blames you for his frequent frenzies.
>> All that proves is that you are content to waste a great deal of time
>> and money for minimal reward.
>
> One might make those overly generalized assumptions if there were no
> alternative expanations or if one just wanted to generate a negative
> view.
The first option applies quite nicely.
> How do you gauge the reward of using multiple OS's at Amiga
> speeds for responsiveness?
You can't. You'd be hard pressed to find another OS that slow these days.
> How do you gauge the reward of using medium format film gear with
> Digital Cameras becoming ubiquitos?
Like Clocky said, you like living in the past. Amigas and medium format
cameras are for nostalgia buffs. Not that there is anything wrong with
that as long as you are honest about it.
> How do you gauge the reward of using a 2.1MP C2100UZ when 5 to
> 10MP cameras abound?
If you are happy with web-quality snapshots then knock yourself out.
> How do you gauge the reward from using a computer OS that you
> have used for 20+ years?
So you finally admit that you are a nostalgia buff. Great. Welcome to
reality.
> http://darcvhal.com/bees
>
> Can you tell everyone what equipment was used?
Who cares. It's HTML. You could write that on a Eniac if you were so
inclined. Of course it would be helpful if the platform had a half
decent browser to test your HTML coding with. But that is what
"peripherals" are for, right Terry?
--
Gary Beeton
Gary Beeton
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:27:24 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> Naw, you'll just flame him to death unless he participates
>> in and "passes" your infantile test.
>
> *Terry places himself upwind of Beeton Troll's charred and
> stinking body*
...as he continues his relentless flame war against anybody willing to
call a spade a spade.
> Beeton Troll, you may have voided all possibility of
> a rational discussion with me
I gave up on the notion of you being able to participate in a rational
discussion long before I first posted here.
> through your spiteful,
> malicious and rage filled attacks but don't for one
> second project that on other posters that have not
> ignored multiple warnings to cease and desist with
> a pogrom of calumny and vilification against me as
> you did.
Wow, you must have been up all night looking up big words! Too bad
those big words don't camouflage the fact that your message is pure
bullshit.
>>> I finally cleared my legacy pc hardware out along with
>>> a sparc box and moved to a couple of cheap quad builds
>>> myself. Now all my machine's have the same level of
>>> responsiveness. I click and things happen.
>
>> IOW, your Amiga still can't cut the mustard on its own.
>
> What a briliant non sequitur Beeton Troll.
Perhaps you should go look up the meaning of the term "non sequitur".
You talked about getting new "peripherals" and I made the obvious
conclusion. Nothing non sequitur about it.
--
Gary Beeton
anamigan
> anamigan wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:34:46 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>>> No, your actions speak louder than words.
>> Like when I ran multiple OS's to compare and contrast
>> my applications on the Amiga with everyone else's
>> choices on Linux and Windows to back up my
>> opinions?
> You did no such thing, troll. You ran a news reader, either
> because your Amiga was foobared at the time or so that you
> could brag about your amazing computer skills. Either way
> you made no comparisons nor contrasts.
Your memory is going Beeton Troll. Yes, indeed I did lose the
use of my Amiga for a six month period and was forced to
a wintel box. But, that wasn't the same as the time when I
was booting Linux and Windows to use not only newsreaders
but mailers and browsers as well. In fact I also ran Amiga
apps I'd never used like Thor. I made it known that I
definitely preferred the amiga apps over linux or windows
apps being used by others participating in C.S.A.A.
>> Like when the other trolls broke ranks and participated
>> in my "infantile" test because they actually could?
> And they regretted doing so once your intentions became clear.
I see "dodge" and "bob" are still part of your repetoire.
>> Like when I demonstrated how many real allies
>> you had with the google challenge to find your
>> posting, betting with me?
> Need I remind you that you *still* haven't paid up?
And "weave".
>> Like when I made good on my warning that you had
>> crossed the line with your continued traducement
>> and I documented it from google post after post,
>> herein referred to as "flaming you to death",
>> your words not mine?
> "Made good" on your warning??? LOL! You mean
> you bleated like a stuck pig when I showed you up
> for what you are, don't you?
It wasn't me complaining that I set the rules in C.S.A.A.
which everyone knows is an open unmoderated public
usenet newsgroup.
> And no, that's not what I was referring to. I was talking
> about things like your infamous Amigan ranking system.
> Like the way you relentlessly flame anybody who doesn't
> prostrate themselves before you. Like your holier-than-thou
> tirades. Like your constant lying about the Amiga's
> capabilities. Shit like that.
You can't have it both ways Beeton Troll.
>>> I'm sorry, I'd forgotten that you are incapable of
>>> communicating in English. (Or any other known
>>> language for that matter)
>> Ad hominem isn't working for you anymore Beeton
>> Troll, just because you cannot or will not acknowledge
>> my statements of fact doesn't mean that others don't
>> notice your tactics.
> I'd be more than happy to acknowledge your statements
> of fact if ever you make one. I won't be holding my breath.
That's good news, in your delusional state breath holding
tantrums might have adverse consequences.
>>> Your mentor and master is a crackpot. Get over it already.
>> You see, you never stop. Mixing ad hominem and non sequitur
>> is best left to people who understand such concepts. On you
>> they just look lame Beeton Troll.
> I bow to your mastery of mixing ad hominem and non sequitur.
What ever happened to simply snipping the most telling blows?
>> Steve Giovenella for me was an Amigan who pushed the
>> limits of the Amiga for speed. He succeeded, I actually ran
>> that hardware on my machine.
> It doesn't surprise me in the least that you should choose
> to take computer advise from the second most idiotic
> individual on the planet.
It isn't like you could actually tell me about it from your vast
store of Amiga acceleration efforts and your collection of
high end Amiga equipment.
>> The fact that he also drove the trolls in C.S.A.A.
>> into frequent frenzies was a bonus.
> Ah, so your frequent frenzies are SteveGeorges fault now.
> I wonder if he blames you for his frequent frenzies.
Sigh, I think the guy who applauds and uses the Amiga is
the advocate and the snake in the apple tree is the troll.
>>> All that proves is that you are content to waste a
>>> great deal of time and money for minimal reward.
>> One might make those overly generalized assumptions
>> if there were no alternative expanations or if one just
>> wanted to generate a negative view.
> The first option applies quite nicely.
As if.
>> How do you gauge the reward of using multiple OS's at Amiga
>> speeds for responsiveness?
> You can't. You'd be hard pressed to find another OS that
> slow these days.
I like that. Not having seen or used a PPC based Amiga you
blindly forge ahead attempting to make everyone believe
that you know what you are talking about.
>> How do you gauge the reward of using medium format
>> film gear with Digital Cameras becoming ubiquitos?
> Like Clocky said, you like living in the past. Amigas and
> medium format cameras are for nostalgia buffs. Not that
> there is anything wrong with that as long as you are
> honest about it.
I thought that you had laid off mixing non sequitur and
ad hominem?
>> How do you gauge the reward of using a 2.1MP C2100UZ
>> when 5 to 10MP cameras abound?
> If you are happy with web-quality snapshots then knock
> yourself out.
Medium format is 144MP. How do you display that on a
hires screen even with hdmi?
Is it the quality/content/resolution that makes a picture
more than a snapshot?
>> How do you gauge the reward from using a computer
>> OS that you have used for 20+ years?
> So you finally admit that you are a nostalgia buff.
> Great. Welcome to reality.
Nice try Beeton Troll, I used a pc back when the wintel
crowd was still lying about being able to use Windows 95
in eight megs. Today, I use a quad with 4G for a personal
machine - read Amiga Peripheral. I also used an Amiga
back then as I do now.
>> http://darcvhal.com/bees
>> Can you tell everyone what equipment was used?
> Who cares. It's HTML. You could write that on a Eniac
> if you were so inclined. Of course it would be helpful
> if the platform had a half decent browser to test your HTML
> coding with. But that is what "peripherals" are for,
> right Terry?
I know it works with IB, AWeb, OWB, Opera, FireFox and
IE.
And what you really mean is that you cannot tell whether
these are scanned from negatives from my 6X7 using my
135mm macro lens, cut down jpegs from my Lumix FZ20
5MP or 400K full size files from my C2100UZ.
And like most direct challenges you slide sideways and
try and act smart when you're not Beeton Troll.
Terry
anamigan
> anamigan wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:27:24 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>>> Naw, you'll just flame him to death unless he participates
>>> in and "passes" your infantile test.
>> *Terry places himself upwind of Beeton Troll's charred and
>> stinking body*
> ...as he continues his relentless flame war against anybody
> willing to call a spade a spade.
Beeton Troll you are mistaken, if not delusional.
>> Beeton Troll, you may have voided all possibility of
>> a rational discussion with me
> I gave up on the notion of you being able to participate
> in a rational discussion long before I first posted here.
Right, even as far back as your actual Amiga advocacy
days. Check the dates sunshine.
>> through your spiteful,
>> malicious and rage filled attacks but don't for one
>> second project that on other posters that have not
>> ignored multiple warnings to cease and desist with
>> a pogrom of calumny and vilification against me as
>> you did.
> Wow, you must have been up all night looking
> up big words! Too bad those big words don't
> camouflage the fact that your message is pure
> bullshit.
No Beeton Troll, you'd be up all night looking for big
words with your googling abilities. I just have a
large vocabulary.
>>>> I finally cleared my legacy pc hardware out along with
>>>> a sparc box and moved to a couple of cheap quad builds
>>>> myself. Now all my machine's have the same level of
>>>> responsiveness. I click and things happen.
>>> IOW, your Amiga still can't cut the mustard on its own.
>> What a brilliant non sequitur Beeton Troll.
> Perhaps you should go look up the meaning of the
> term "non sequitur". You talked about getting new
> "peripherals" and I made the obvious conclusion.
> Nothing non sequitur about it.
What, that my aging peripherals were less capable than my
PPC based Amiga?
Terry
Gary Beeton
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:14:17 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> You did no such thing, troll. You ran a news reader, either
>> because your Amiga was foobared at the time or so that you
>> could brag about your amazing computer skills. Either way
>> you made no comparisons nor contrasts.
>
> Your memory is going Beeton Troll. Yes, indeed I did lose the
> use of my Amiga for a six month period and was forced to
> a wintel box. But, that wasn't the same as the time when I
> was booting Linux and Windows to use not only newsreaders
> but mailers and browsers as well. In fact I also ran Amiga
> apps I'd never used like Thor. I made it known that I
> definitely preferred the amiga apps over linux or windows
> apps being used by others participating in C.S.A.A.
Please provide links to these comparisons and contrasts that you claim
to have made.
>> And they regretted doing so once your intentions became clear.
>
> I see "dodge" and "bob" are still part of your repetoire.
That's funny considering the one who's dodging and bobbing is you. The
purpose of your test was to determine who, in your ever so humble
opinion, was worthy of posting here (with you at the top of the list of
course). True or false?
>> Need I remind you that you *still* haven't paid up?
>
> And "weave".
Go ahead and dodge the issue. I'm used to it from you. It's not too
late to claim the reward - all you have to do is tell me if
SteveGeorge's blatant lies about the Amiga's capabilities were good or
bad for the Amiga's wellbeing. How hard could that be!
>> "Made good" on your warning??? LOL! You mean
>> you bleated like a stuck pig when I showed you up
>> for what you are, don't you?
>
> It wasn't me complaining that I set the rules in C.S.A.A.
> which everyone knows is an open unmoderated public
> usenet newsgroup.
Of course *you* weren't complaining. They were your goofy rules so why
would you complain?!
>> And no, that's not what I was referring to. I was talking
>> about things like your infamous Amigan ranking system.
>> Like the way you relentlessly flame anybody who doesn't
>> prostrate themselves before you. Like your holier-than-thou
>> tirades. Like your constant lying about the Amiga's
>> capabilities. Shit like that.
>
> You can't have it both ways Beeton Troll.
Which two ways would that be, Terry?
>> I'd be more than happy to acknowledge your statements
>> of fact if ever you make one. I won't be holding my breath.
>
> That's good news, in your delusional state breath holding
> tantrums might have adverse consequences.
So you admit outright that you are unlikely ever to make a statement of
fact? How uncharacteristically honest of you!
>> I bow to your mastery of mixing ad hominem and non sequitur.
>
> What ever happened to simply snipping the most telling blows?
That's your ploy, TerryTroll, not mine. Remember?
>> It doesn't surprise me in the least that you should choose
>> to take computer advise from the second most idiotic
>> individual on the planet.
>
> It isn't like you could actually tell me about it from your vast
> store of Amiga acceleration efforts and your collection of
> high end Amiga equipment.
I could and did actually tell you. It's not my fault that you are
incapable of accepting information that doesn't happen to agree with
your pre-conceived misconceptions.
>> Ah, so your frequent frenzies are SteveGeorges fault now.
>> I wonder if he blames you for his frequent frenzies.
>
> Sigh, I think the guy who applauds and uses the Amiga is
> the advocate and the snake in the apple tree is the troll.
Nope, wrong again:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=troll
<quote>
troll 3 internet
Noun
a person who posts deliberately inflammatory messages on an internet
discussion board
<\quote>
That's you to a 'T', TerryTroll!
>> The first option applies quite nicely.
>
> As if.
You don't have to like it but it is true.
>> You can't. You'd be hard pressed to find another OS that
>> slow these days.
>
> I like that. Not having seen or used a PPC based Amiga you
> blindly forge ahead attempting to make everyone believe
> that you know what you are talking about.
Tell me again, Terry, how old that processor is? Tell me how fast and
responsive your PPC based Amiga is when it is playing a DVD while
encoding a video and running Lightwave and Photoshop in the background?
The ONLY reason why your Preciousss appears to be fast and responsive
is because you haven't got any software to run on it. An OS without
software is as useful as an iron parachute.
>> Like Clocky said, you like living in the past. Amigas and
>> medium format cameras are for nostalgia buffs. Not that
>> there is anything wrong with that as long as you are
>> honest about it.
>
> I thought that you had laid off mixing non sequitur and
> ad hominem?
You have no response to my comment so you attack my person. Have
another look at that definition for 'troll'.
>>> How do you gauge the reward of using a 2.1MP C2100UZ
>>> when 5 to 10MP cameras abound?
>
>> If you are happy with web-quality snapshots then knock
>> yourself out.
>
> Medium format is 144MP. How do you display that on a
> hires screen even with hdmi?
You were talking about 2.1MP images and now you are switching to 144MP
images?? Please try to stay focused.
> Is it the quality/content/resolution that makes a picture
> more than a snapshot?
Among other things, yes. Are you going anywhere with this discussion?
>> So you finally admit that you are a nostalgia buff.
>> Great. Welcome to reality.
>
> Nice try Beeton Troll, I used a pc back when the wintel
> crowd was still lying about being able to use Windows 95
> in eight megs. Today, I use a quad with 4G for a personal
> machine - read Amiga Peripheral. I also used an Amiga
> back then as I do now.
What do you use your Amiga for? (Just whipping the mouse pointer around
the screen doesn't count)
>> Who cares. It's HTML. You could write that on a Eniac
>> if you were so inclined. Of course it would be helpful
>> if the platform had a half decent browser to test your HTML
>> coding with. But that is what "peripherals" are for,
>> right Terry?
>
> I know it works with IB, AWeb, OWB, Opera, FireFox and
> IE.
Big whoop.
> And what you really mean is that you cannot tell whether
> these are scanned from negatives from my 6X7 using my
> 135mm macro lens, cut down jpegs from my Lumix FZ20
> 5MP or 400K full size files from my C2100UZ.
I hadn't looked at your crappy photos, but the file naming format is
compliant with both Panasonic and Olympus camera file name formats.
Again, do you have a point buried somewhere deep down in this drivel?
> And like most direct challenges you slide sideways and
> try and act smart when you're not Beeton Troll.
Sidestepping challenges is your speciality, Terry, not mine. I'd be
happy to address your challenge but I can't very well address a
challenge that hasn't been made. What is your point, O Pointless One?
--
Gary Beeton
Gary Beeton
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:32:41 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> ...as he continues his relentless flame war against anybody
>> willing to call a spade a spade.
>
> Beeton Troll you are mistaken, if not delusional.
See, there you go again.
>> I gave up on the notion of you being able to participate
>> in a rational discussion long before I first posted here.
>
> Right, even as far back as your actual Amiga advocacy
> days. Check the dates sunshine.
As you well know, sunshine, I participated in other c.s.a. groups long
before I started posting in c.s.a.a. But that does not mean that I
didn't monitor c.s.a.a. I did. Clowns like you and SteveGeorge
provided endless amusement (as well as considerable embarrassment) back
then, as you still do today. You been a raving loony, Terry, pre-dates
my participation in c.s.a.a by a very, very long time.
>> Wow, you must have been up all night looking
>> up big words! Too bad those big words don't
>> camouflage the fact that your message is pure
>> bullshit.
>
> No Beeton Troll, you'd be up all night looking for big
> words with your googling abilities. I just have a
> large vocabulary.
Too bad you lack the skill to string those big words into discussions
that don't make you look like a fool. Bullshit is still bullshit no
matter how tediously verbose you make it.
>> Perhaps you should go look up the meaning of the
>> term "non sequitur". You talked about getting new
>> "peripherals" and I made the obvious conclusion.
>> Nothing non sequitur about it.
>
> What, that my aging peripherals were less capable than my
> PPC based Amiga?
No, that you require "peripherals" to make your Amiga appear useful.
--
Gary Beeton
anamigan
> anamigan wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:14:17 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>>> You did no such thing, troll. You ran a news reader, either
>>> because your Amiga was foobared at the time or so that you
>>> could brag about your amazing computer skills. Either way
>>> you made no comparisons nor contrasts.
>> Your memory is going Beeton Troll. Yes, indeed I did lose the
>> use of my Amiga for a six month period and was forced to
>> a wintel box. But, that wasn't the same as the time when I
>> was booting Linux and Windows to use not only newsreaders
>> but mailers and browsers as well. In fact I also ran Amiga
>> apps I'd never used like Thor. I made it known that I
>> definitely preferred the amiga apps over linux or windows
>> apps being used by others participating in C.S.A.A.
> Please provide links to these comparisons and contrasts
> that you claim to have made.
First your memory and now your googling skills failed eh?
>>> And they regretted doing so once your intentions became clear.
>> I see "dodge" and "bob" are still part of your repetoire.
> That's funny considering the one who's dodging and bobbing is you.
> The purpose of your test was to determine who, in your ever so humble
> opinion, was worthy of posting here (with you at the top of the list of
> course). True or false?
Absolutely false Beeton Troll. The test was to weed out those who
didn't have experience with things they were talking about which
in turn pre-empted them from speaking authoritatively about those
selfsame things.
>>> Need I remind you that you *still* haven't paid up?
>> And "weave".
> Go ahead and dodge the issue. I'm used to it from you.
> t's not too late to claim the reward - all you have to do is
> tell me if SteveGeorge's blatant lies about the Amiga's
> capabilities were good or bad for the Amiga's wellbeing.
> How hard could that be!
Reward? Are you just being retarded? It was a bet Beeton
Troll! One that you failed to honour, failed to recall and
failed to find with your googling skills.
>>> "Made good" on your warning??? LOL! You mean
>>> you bleated like a stuck pig when I showed you up
>>> for what you are, don't you?
>> It wasn't me complaining that I set the rules in C.S.A.A.
>> which everyone knows is an open unmoderated public
>> usenet newsgroup.
> Of course *you* weren't complaining. They were your
> goofy rules so why would you complain?!
Either way Beeton Troll you lose. You can't make me out to
be an illiterate fanboy and wail about how I controlled an
open unmoderated usenet newsgroup.
>>> And no, that's not what I was referring to. I was talking
>>> about things like your infamous Amigan ranking system.
>>> Like the way you relentlessly flame anybody who doesn't
>>> prostrate themselves before you. Like your holier-than-thou
>>> tirades. Like your constant lying about the Amiga's
>>> capabilities. Shit like that.
>> You can't have it both ways Beeton Troll.
> Which two ways would that be, Terry?
Either I know what I am talking about or you don't.
>>> I'd be more than happy to acknowledge your statements
>>> of fact if ever you make one. I won't be holding my breath.
>> That's good news, in your delusional state breath holding
>> tantrums might have adverse consequences.
> So you admit outright that you are unlikely ever to make a
> statement of fact? How uncharacteristically honest of you!
What part of delusional are you in denial of?
>>> I bow to your mastery of mixing ad hominem and non sequitur.
>> What ever happened to simply snipping the most telling blows?
> That's your ploy, TerryTroll, not mine. Remember?
Whole threads are available demonstrating my adding things
back in that you snipped - I'm thinking about that infamous
tactic of using "Vulcan TV Logik" to bolster your sophistry.
>>> It doesn't surprise me in the least that you should choose
>>> to take computer advise from the second most idiotic
>>> individual on the planet.
>> It isn't like you could actually tell me about it from your vast
>> store of Amiga acceleration efforts and your collection of
>> high end Amiga equipment.
> I could and did actually tell you. It's not my fault that you are
> incapable of accepting information that doesn't happen to agree
> with your pre-conceived misconceptions.
I remember your more powerful A4K, LOL!!!
>>> Ah, so your frequent frenzies are SteveGeorges fault now.
>>> I wonder if he blames you for his frequent frenzies.
>> Sigh, I think the guy who applauds and uses the Amiga is
>> the advocate and the snake in the apple tree is the troll.
> Nope, wrong again:
Could we just double check that the sky in your world is
indeed blue?
> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=troll
> <quote>
> troll 3 internet
> Noun
> a person who posts deliberately inflammatory
> messages on an internet discussion board
> <\quote>
> That's you to a 'T', TerryTroll!
Wow, I'm impressed, not only did you find a
definition but you managed to cut and paste
and post it.
>>> The first option applies quite nicely.
>> As if.
> You don't have to like it but it is true.
At least in your little world Beeton Troll.
>>> You can't. You'd be hard pressed to find another OS that
>>> slow these days.
>> I like that. Not having seen or used a PPC based Amiga you
>> blindly forge ahead attempting to make everyone believe
>> that you know what you are talking about.
> Tell me again, Terry, how old that processor is? Tell me how
> fast and responsive your PPC based Amiga is when it is playing
> a DVD while encoding a video and running Lightwave and
> Photoshop in the background?
Poor Beeton Troll, don't you know that Photoshop doesn't
run on a PPC AmigaOS based machine? I can't find a copy of
Lightwave to buy anywhere for my Amiga either.
I can only run ImageFX 4.5 and Photogenics while MPlayer is
running.
> The ONLY reason why your Preciousss appears to be fast
> and responsive is because you haven't got any software to
> run on it. An OS without software is as useful as an iron
> parachute.
I've just passed the point where Native software makes up
50% of my daily running apps. SabreMSN is the latest from
the coder of WookieChat.
>>> Like Clocky said, you like living in the past. Amigas and
>>> medium format cameras are for nostalgia buffs. Not that
>>> there is anything wrong with that as long as you are
>>> honest about it.
>> I thought that you had laid off mixing non sequitur and
>> ad hominem?
> You have no response to my comment so you attack my
> person. Have another look at that definition for 'troll'.
Lots of pros are still using their medium formats. As for me,
I use linux and windows on quads. I hope you are at least
using a core2duo processor by now, I parted mine out to
the upstairs general computer and inserted a quad
replacement.
Still sounds like you are mixing ad hominem and non
sequitur as you backpedal away from the fire.
>>>> How do you gauge the reward of using a 2.1MP C2100UZ
>>>> when 5 to 10MP cameras abound?
>>> If you are happy with web-quality snapshots then knock
>>> yourself out.
>> Medium format is 144MP. How do you display that on a
>> hires screen even with hdmi?
> You were talking about 2.1MP images and now you are
> switching to 144MP images??
I use both. You already know that. Answer the question.
>Please try to stay focused.
You first Beeton Troll.
>> Is it the quality/content/resolution that makes a picture
>> more than a snapshot?
> Among other things, yes. Are you going anywhere with
> this discussion?
Obviously not with you in the conversation.
>>> So you finally admit that you are a nostalgia buff.
>>> Great. Welcome to reality.
>> Nice try Beeton Troll, I used a pc back when the wintel
>> crowd was still lying about being able to use Windows 95
>> in eight megs. Today, I use a quad with 4G for a personal
>> machine - read Amiga Peripheral. I also used an Amiga
>> back then as I do now.
> What do you use your Amiga for? (Just whipping the
> mouse pointer around the screen doesn't count)
Mail, News, IRC, IM, DTP, PhotoGFX, Research/Writing, Radio,
Browsing. I don't pirate the latest movies from the torrent
sites and make DVD's out of them or download a lot of
pirated music and put it on CD like other people do.
>>> Who cares. It's HTML. You could write that on a Eniac
>>> if you were so inclined. Of course it would be helpful
>>> if the platform had a half decent browser to test your HTML
>>> coding with. But that is what "peripherals" are for,
>>> right Terry?
>> I know it works with IB, AWeb, OWB, Opera, FireFox and
>> IE.
> Big whoop.
It's not about html, it's about the images.
>> And what you really mean is that you cannot tell whether
>> these are scanned from negatives from my 6X7 using my
>> 135mm macro lens, cut down jpegs from my Lumix FZ20
>> 5MP or 400K full size files from my C2100UZ.
> I hadn't looked at your crappy photos, but the file naming
> format is compliant with both Panasonic and Olympus camera
> file name formats.
Once things are revealed to you, you suddenly become an
expert. It's about the images Beeton Troll.
> Again, do you have a point buried somewhere deep
> down in this drivel?
You are standing too close to the stupid tree again.
>> And like most direct challenges you slide sideways and
>> try and act smart when you're not Beeton Troll.
> Sidestepping challenges is your speciality, Terry, not mine. I'd be
> happy to address your challenge but I can't very well address a
> challenge that hasn't been made. What is your point, O Pointless One?
You cannot tell from the images how they were made or how they
came to be placed on the web page which causes all your nostalgia
and living in the past arguments to fall to the wayside like the
detrius they are.
Terry
anamigan
> anamigan wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:32:41 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>>> ...as he continues his relentless flame war against anybody
>>> willing to call a spade a spade.
>> Beeton Troll you are mistaken, if not delusional.
> See, there you go again.
What, you're the fruitloop that continues this relentless
flamewar against people who call a spade a spade, in
this case, you being delusional.
>>> I gave up on the notion of you being able to participate
>>> in a rational discussion long before I first posted here.
>> Right, even as far back as your actual Amiga advocacy
>> days. Check the dates sunshine.
> As you well know, sunshine, I participated in other c.s.a.
> groups long before I started posting in c.s.a.a. But that
> does not mean that I didn't monitor c.s.a.a. I did.
Ah, the elusive monitor identifies himself at long last.
> Clowns like you and SteveGeorge provided endless
> amusement (as well as considerable embarrassment) back
> then, as you still do today. You been a raving loony, Terry,
> pre-dates my participation in c.s.a.a by a very, very long time.
So you admit to "being" a raving loonie.
>>> Wow, you must have been up all night looking
>>> up big words! Too bad those big words don't
>>> camouflage the fact that your message is pure
>>> bullshit.
>> No Beeton Troll, you'd be up all night looking for big
>> words with your googling abilities. I just have a
>> large vocabulary.
> Too bad you lack the skill to string those big words
> into discussions that don't make you look like a fool.
> Bullshit is still bullshit no matter how tediously verbose
>you make it.
I figure the context doesn't have to be perfect - just
good enough to drive you to a dictionary so that you
get the point. The veracity of your statements is
certainly unquestionable, not.
>>> Perhaps you should go look up the meaning of the
>>> term "non sequitur". You talked about getting new
>>> "peripherals" and I made the obvious conclusion.
>>> Nothing non sequitur about it.
>> What, that my aging peripherals were less capable than my
>> PPC based Amiga?
> No, that you require "peripherals" to make your Amiga appear useful.
Sigh, what are we going to do with the humour impaired?
Terry
anamigan
> anamigan wrote:
>> Like when I ran multiple OS's to compare and contrast
>> my applications on the Amiga with everyone else's
>> choices on Linux and Windows to back up my
>> opinions?
> Shame I missed that.
You can probably find it with some diligent search but it
is concerned with news and mail apps. NewsRog and
NewYork and Yam were just cleaner and more responsive.
> I have been looking to getting back into the Amiga when
> new hardware comes out and that list would be useful.
My advice, have cash and be ready to buy immediately,
cultivate sources amongst the community so you know
when you need to buy,
You will pay a premium price no matter what, that's the
cost of owning an Amiga these days.
> One of the problems I can see is that most of the
> general software I use simply isn't available which
> is a great shame. Your list might help me out.
I doubt it, first you will not be playing with the current
generation of cpu's ie. quadcores.
In fact it would be very hard to just jump in an try
to accomplish exactly what you are doing on a pc.
You've already spent thousands of dollars to buy
Photoshop and LightWave and keep them up to date.
Your best bet would be to dabble in emulation. Amiga
Forever offers a great amount of software and a good
selection of ROM images with it.
> What is the Amiga equivalent of the following PC software:
> Excel
> Firefox/IE
> Photoshop
> Lightwave 9.5
I really have no idea of the depth of your needs. I don't use
a spreadsheet but there are a couple available. If you need
to have cross platform compatibility you can wait for Open
Office to be ported. I have TurboCalc and it is ARexx
capable for your macros and routines.
FireFox/IE, you can use IBrowse or AWeb - Sputnik has
the bounty prepaid to come over from MOS and OWB is
getting closer each revision. I'm sure the native IB3.0
will be winner when it finally arrives.
Photoshop, there's a battleship, I use ImageFX, Photogenics,
HollyWood & Designer, TVPaint and some smaller utilities for
conversion and single effects. DrawStudio, ArtDepartment and
Amifig also provide some utility.
Lightwave, well I have Aladdin4 but that doesn't come close,
I'm looking for a copy of Lightwave, the last Amiga version,
but it is as rare as hen's teeth.
I don't think that you will have much joy trying to jump back
into Amigadom from a standing start. I never left and kept
my software updated as best I could.
You can get DOpus on the PC that's very cool and worth the
money.CygnusEd and DOpus earn their keep here.
So, Sam, I don't know what to advise, as only you can know
what you need to do and so much depends on what you
do and how you do it. If you are a bit of a dab hand with ARexx
you can hook all sorts of things together like I had with my
compiler for my BBS linked to CygnusEd and automatic batch
processing of video, digital photos and output from scanners
with Art Department Professional.
Terry
Clocky
He just listed them.
I don't use
> a spreadsheet but there are a couple available.
All obsolete.
If you need
> to have cross platform compatibility you can wait for Open
> Office to be ported. I have TurboCalc and it is ARexx
> capable for your macros and routines.
Wait forever.
> FireFox/IE, you can use IBrowse or AWeb - Sputnik has
> the bounty prepaid to come over from MOS and OWB is
> getting closer each revision. I'm sure the native IB3.0
> will be winner when it finally arrives.
Ibrowse and Aweb are years behind IE/Firefox.
> Photoshop, there's a battleship, I use ImageFX, Photogenics,
> HollyWood & Designer, TVPaint and some smaller utilities for
> conversion and single effects. DrawStudio, ArtDepartment and
> Amifig also provide some utility.
IOW, nothing.
> Lightwave, well I have Aladdin4 but that doesn't come close,
> I'm looking for a copy of Lightwave, the last Amiga version,
> but it is as rare as hen's teeth.
and obsoleted anyway.
> I don't think that you will have much joy trying to jump back
> into Amigadom from a standing start. I never left and kept
> my software updated as best I could.
>
> You can get DOpus on the PC that's very cool and worth the
> money.CygnusEd and DOpus earn their keep here.
>
> So, Sam, I don't know what to advise, as only you can know
> what you need to do and so much depends on what you
> do and how you do it. If you are a bit of a dab hand with ARexx
> you can hook all sorts of things together like I had with my
> compiler for my BBS linked to CygnusEd and automatic batch
> processing of video, digital photos and output from scanners
> with Art Department Professional.
>
Forget the Amiga altogether and use something modern and supported is the
best advice.
If you want a hobbyist OS, sure give it a go but don't expect anything near
a viable alternative to any mainstream OS.
Gary Beeton
> ...
> I don't think that you will have much joy trying to jump back
> into Amigadom from a standing start.
It's refreshing to see you so honest, Terry. Thanks!
--
Gary Beeton
Gary Beeton
> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:52:23 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> Please provide links to these comparisons and contrasts
>> that you claim to have made.
>
> First your memory and now your googling skills failed eh?
I cannot google that which does not exist, and obviously neither can you
or you would have done so to prove your point.
>> That's funny considering the one who's dodging and bobbing is you.
>> The purpose of your test was to determine who, in your ever so humble
>> opinion, was worthy of posting here (with you at the top of the list of
>> course). True or false?
>
> Absolutely false Beeton Troll. The test was to weed out those who
> didn't have experience with things they were talking about which
> in turn pre-empted them from speaking authoritatively about those
> selfsame things.
You say "Absolutely false" and then go on to describe the purpose of
your test to be exactly what I said it was.
>> Go ahead and dodge the issue. I'm used to it from you.
>> t's not too late to claim the reward - all you have to do is
>> tell me if SteveGeorge's blatant lies about the Amiga's
>> capabilities were good or bad for the Amiga's wellbeing.
>> How hard could that be!
>
> Reward? Are you just being retarded? It was a bet Beeton
> Troll! One that you failed to honour, failed to recall and
> failed to find with your googling skills.
The challenge, moron, was for you to tell me if SteveGeorge's blatant
lies about the Amiga's capabilities were good or bad for the Amiga's
wellbeing. You comprehensively failed to do so. How then does that
translate to me failing to honour the bet??? Hint: It doesn't. You
lost. Period.
>> Of course *you* weren't complaining. They were your
>> goofy rules so why would you complain?!
>
> Either way Beeton Troll you lose. You can't make me out to
> be an illiterate fanboy
No, you do that all by yourself.
> and wail about how I controlled an
> open unmoderated usenet newsgroup.
I have never done any such thing. You have a great deal of trouble
telling the difference between accomplishing something and *trying* to
accomplish something. You tried and tried and tried and tried and tried
to control an open unmoderated newsgroup (just as you described above),
but obviously you never had any hope of succeeding. Obviously to
everybody but you that is.
>> Which two ways would that be, Terry?
>
> Either I know what I am talking about or you don't.
LOL. Nice attempted deflection. Not.
>> So you admit outright that you are unlikely ever to make a
>> statement of fact? How uncharacteristically honest of you!
>
> What part of delusional are you in denial of?
None. I fully acknowledge your delusional state. It goes a long way to
explaining why you are incapable of stating a fact.
>> That's your ploy, TerryTroll, not mine. Remember?
>
> Whole threads are available demonstrating my adding things
> back in that you snipped
Look, troll, the only time snip your drivel is when you dive off on some
completely unrelated tangent in an attempt to avoid having to deal with
the topic at hand.
> - I'm thinking about that infamous
> tactic of using "Vulcan TV Logik" to bolster your sophistry.
"Vulcan TV Logik" is something that only exists in your strange little
mind. Nobody knows what the fuck you're talking about when you use that
term. But by all means keep on using it and pretending to yourself that
you have won some sort of victory. Meanwhile everybody is laughing at you.
>> I could and did actually tell you. It's not my fault that you are
>> incapable of accepting information that doesn't happen to agree
>> with your pre-conceived misconceptions.
>
> I remember your more powerful A4K, LOL!!!
Bully for you. But your memory is not in question. Your ability to
reason most certainly is though.
>> Nope, wrong again:
>
> Could we just double check that the sky in your world is
> indeed blue?
>
>> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=troll
>
>> <quote>
>> troll 3 internet
>> Noun
>> a person who posts deliberately inflammatory
>> messages on an internet discussion board
>> <\quote>
>
>> That's you to a 'T', TerryTroll!
>
> Wow, I'm impressed, not only did you find a
> definition but you managed to cut and paste
> and post it.
And it describes you to a "T". I couldn't help noticing that you were
unable to deny that.
>> You don't have to like it but it is true.
>
> At least in your little world Beeton Troll.
My little world being Earth.
>> Tell me again, Terry, how old that processor is? Tell me how
>> fast and responsive your PPC based Amiga is when it is playing
>> a DVD while encoding a video and running Lightwave and
>> Photoshop in the background?
>
> Poor Beeton Troll, don't you know that Photoshop doesn't
> run on a PPC AmigaOS based machine? I can't find a copy of
> Lightwave to buy anywhere for my Amiga either.
>
> I can only run ImageFX 4.5 and Photogenics while MPlayer is
> running.
That is precisely my point. There are no power applications available
for the Amiga. If there were you would soon realize what a dog your
tired old system is.
>> The ONLY reason why your Preciousss appears to be fast
>> and responsive is because you haven't got any software to
>> run on it. An OS without software is as useful as an iron
>> parachute.
>
> I've just passed the point where Native software makes up
> 50% of my daily running apps. SabreMSN is the latest from
> the coder of WookieChat.
Golly, I hope that new chat software won't tax your system too terribly
much.
>> You have no response to my comment so you attack my
>> person. Have another look at that definition for 'troll'.
>
> Lots of pros are still using their medium formats.
Sure, and lots of people still use typewriters too.
> As for me,
> I use linux and windows on quads. I hope you are at least
> using a core2duo processor by now, I parted mine out to
> the upstairs general computer and inserted a quad
> replacement.
And you use your "peripherals" because your Amiga can't do what you need
or want it to do. Yes, I know.
> Still sounds like you are mixing ad hominem and non
> sequitur as you backpedal away from the fire.
What fire would that be. You don't still believe that your water-pistol
is loaded do you??
>> You were talking about 2.1MP images and now you are
>> switching to 144MP images??
>
> I use both. You already know that. Answer the question.
Which question? I answered the question you asked before your mental
disconnect. As for the question after your mental disconnect, you use
one of your "peripherals".
>> What do you use your Amiga for? (Just whipping the
>> mouse pointer around the screen doesn't count)
>
> Mail, News, IRC, IM, DTP, PhotoGFX, Research/Writing, Radio,
> Browsing.
So nothing that would put any sort of load on your system. Not too
surprising then that you are satisfied with your Amiga's speed and
responsiveness.
> I don't pirate the latest movies from the torrent
> sites and make DVD's out of them or download a lot of
> pirated music and put it on CD like other people do.
Face it, Terry, your Amiga couldn't download a torrent even if you
wanted it to.
>> I hadn't looked at your crappy photos, but the file naming
>> format is compliant with both Panasonic and Olympus camera
>> file name formats.
>
> Once things are revealed to you, you suddenly become an
> expert. It's about the images Beeton Troll.
Sorry, TerryTroll, but I don't read minds. Especially one as strange as
yours. Here's a word that obviously isn't in your enormous vocabulary:
Communicate. That's what you need to do if you want others to
understand WTF you are thinking.
>> Sidestepping challenges is your speciality, Terry, not mine. I'd be
>> happy to address your challenge but I can't very well address a
>> challenge that hasn't been made. What is your point, O Pointless One?
>
> You cannot tell from the images how they were made or how they
> came to be placed on the web page which causes all your nostalgia
> and living in the past arguments to fall to the wayside like the
> detrius they are.
I could play silly-bugger games just like you by posting a link to a
photo and asking you to guess what my point is. But instead I'm just
going to make my point:
Q: How do you load RAW image files into an Amiga?
A: You can't.
Q: How do you edit 12 or 16 bit images using an Amiga?
A: You don't.
Q: What Amiga software allows you to edit images non-destructively?
A: None.
Q: What Amiga software is available to manage your photo library?
A: None.
So don't give this crap about any old computer will do. The Amiga
simply doesn't. Not in today's world.
--
Gary Beeton
Gary Beeton
> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:24:47 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> See, there you go again.
>
> What, you're the fruitloop that continues this relentless
> flamewar against people who call a spade a spade, in
> this case, you being delusional.
It's a pity that enormous vocabulary of yours can't help you formulate a
sentence that parses.
>> Clowns like you and SteveGeorge provided endless
>> amusement (as well as considerable embarrassment) back
>> then, as you still do today. You been a raving loony, Terry,
>> pre-dates my participation in c.s.a.a by a very, very long time.
>
> So you admit to "being" a raving loonie.
Nor does it help your reading comprehension.
>> Too bad you lack the skill to string those big words
>> into discussions that don't make you look like a fool.
>> Bullshit is still bullshit no matter how tediously verbose
>> you make it.
>
> I figure the context doesn't have to be perfect - just
> good enough to drive you to a dictionary so that you
> get the point. The veracity of your statements is
> certainly unquestionable, not.
The accuracy of the content doesn't seem to very important to you either.
>> No, that you require "peripherals" to make your Amiga appear useful.
>
> Sigh, what are we going to do with the humour impaired?
Have you ever actually read any of the shit you've posted over the
years? I find it's always good for a few belly-laughs!
--
Gary Beeton
kw
> Have you ever actually read any of the shit you've posted over the years? I find it's
always good for a few belly-laughs!
>
>
Gary Beeton
Good comedians always do :)
--
Gary Beeton
Sam Smith
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:41:14 +0100, Sam Smith wrote:
> You can probably find it with some diligent search but it
> is concerned with news and mail apps. NewsRog and
> NewYork and Yam were just cleaner and more responsive.
Yes - I realise some of the smaller apps such as YAM area actually quite
usable on the Amiga but I was looking for equivalents of modern PC packages.
> My advice, have cash and be ready to buy immediately,
> cultivate sources amongst the community so you know
> when you need to buy,
Who knows when the court case is complete - that is the issue over
availability I suppose.
> You will pay a premium price no matter what, that's the
> cost of owning an Amiga these days.
That is true.
> I doubt it, first you will not be playing with the current
> generation of cpu's ie. quadcores.
That doesn't bother me as such. I was just wondering more about your
equivalent software listing.
> In fact it would be very hard to just jump in an try
> to accomplish exactly what you are doing on a pc.
> You've already spent thousands of dollars to buy
> Photoshop and LightWave and keep them up to date.
Well it's not too bad. You can pick up old copies of PhotoShop and
update them quite legally for just a few hundred dollars. Same can be
said for Lightwave. I'm just trying to see the feasibility of doing
something similar on the Amiga but there appears to be very little new
software for the general areas I am interested in and the existing
software is very old now - some of it a decade or more.
> Your best bet would be to dabble in emulation. Amiga
> Forever offers a great amount of software and a good
> selection of ROM images with it.
Yes - I think that is an idea - just to see how capable it is.
>
>> What is the Amiga equivalent of the following PC software:
>
>> Excel
>> Firefox/IE
>> Photoshop
>> Lightwave 9.5
>
> I really have no idea of the depth of your needs.
Just the above really.
> I don't use
> a spreadsheet but there are a couple available. If you need
> to have cross platform compatibility you can wait for Open
> Office to be ported. I have TurboCalc and it is ARexx
> capable for your macros and routines.
I have TurboCalc 5.0 -not sure if that is the latest version but it is
some way from being an Excel killer. If you know of any others I can try
it would be great if you could list them as this is an area that I can
see missing on the Amiga.
I don't really want to count software like Open Office as it doesn't
exist on the Amiga.
I only want to focus on software that is actually available.
> FireFox/IE, you can use IBrowse or AWeb - Sputnik has
> the bounty prepaid to come over from MOS and OWB is
> getting closer each revision. I'm sure the native IB3.0
> will be winner when it finally arrives.
Hopefully IB 3.0 will arrive for OS4 and be cool as I used to use IB
back in 1995 when I last had an Amiga. But again - it doesn't exist yet.
>
> Photoshop, there's a battleship, I use ImageFX, Photogenics,
> HollyWood & Designer, TVPaint and some smaller utilities for
> conversion and single effects. DrawStudio, ArtDepartment and
> Amifig also provide some utility.
Wow. Is AdPro still going?
> Lightwave, well I have Aladdin4 but that doesn't come close,
> I'm looking for a copy of Lightwave, the last Amiga version,
> but it is as rare as hen's teeth.
Also I suppose it won't really compare as it would be so far behind the
current curve. I think the last version was 5.0 - about 13 years ago now.
> I don't think that you will have much joy trying to jump back
> into Amigadom from a standing start. I never left and kept
> my software updated as best I could.
I cannot see how it makes that much difference. Even if I had the latest
version of everything on the Amiga I can see that in reality it is still
a long way short of a standard PC.
> So, Sam, I don't know what to advise, as only you can know
> what you need to do and so much depends on what you
> do and how you do it.
Just an answer to the original question really which you have given. Thanks.
---
Sam
anamigan
> anamigan wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:41:14 +0100, Sam Smith wrote:
>> You can probably find it with some diligent search but it
>> is concerned with news and mail apps. NewsRog and
>> NewYork and Yam were just cleaner and more responsive.
> Yes - I realise some of the smaller apps such as YAM area
> actually quite usable on the Amiga but I was looking for
> equivalents of modern PC packages.
Well Sam, if you can phrase that question you already
know the answer don't you? PageStream is a small app as
well but I don't feel the need to jump to "modern" pc
equivalents which also require modern pc's to run.
PPC run 68k apps and native PPC apps for OS4 run at
modern speeds when they are newsreaders and mail
programs.
>> My advice, have cash and be ready to buy immediately,
>> cultivate sources amongst the community so you know
>> when you need to buy,
> Who knows when the court case is complete - that is
> the issue over availability I suppose.
Yes, there are two types of availability, one is previously
released machines, ie SE, XE and Micro Amiga One's,
which command a premium price. The other is whatever
comes next which also looks to be a premium price, the
SAM springs to mind, and slower than option one.
>> You will pay a premium price no matter what, that's the
>> cost of owning an Amiga these days.
> That is true.
So, if you realise that, then you have to decide whether
or not you want to "buy" in to something that is not
moving very fast.
>> I doubt it, first you will not be playing with the current
>> generation of cpu's ie. quadcores.
> That doesn't bother me as such. I was just wondering
> more about your equivalent software listing.
Sam, that equivalency depends on what you use your
software for and the depth to which you use it. I can't
help you out there as I have no idea what parts of
photoshop you use or in what way.
My needs are simple, I need to be able to produce
images for the web, documents that allow people to
examine product, multipage/fold brochure or information
with and without photo/diagram/chart and output any of the
above via colour laser or file to a printshop.
>> In fact it would be very hard to just jump in and try
>> to accomplish exactly what you are doing on a pc.
>> You've already spent thousands of dollars to buy
>> Photoshop and LightWave and keep them up to date.
> Well it's not too bad. You can pick up old copies of
> PhotoShop and update them quite legally for just a few
> hundred dollars.
That's cool, my buddy the web/videographer/programmer
pays the full price for everything he uses which results in
multithousand dollar bills for the new apps coming to market.
> Same can be said for Lightwave. I'm just trying to see
> the feasibility of doing something similar on the Amiga
> but there appears to be very little new software for the
> general areas I am interested in and the existing
> software is very old now - some of it a decade or more.
That's it entirely Sam. If you haven't worked forward and
stayed current as I have then it would be a pipe dream to
think you are going to recreate a high end pc environment
on a 3 figure MHz 3 generation behind CPU powered Amiga.
Working forward has allowed me to adapt my methods to
continue to allow me to do most of what I need done on
my Amiga. An app like HollyWood coupled with Designer
allows the creation and output of various types of projects
in a very timely manner. PageStream meets all my needs
for document output from postscript to pdf. Having ImageFX
and Photogenics means that my 2.1 MP photofiles can be
quickly and efficiently manipulated to finished form.
>> Your best bet would be to dabble in emulation. Amiga
>> Forever offers a great amount of software and a good
>> selection of ROM images with it.
> Yes - I think that is an idea - just to see how capable it is.
Be forewarned it won't feel like an Amiga. I can't do any better
with the description than that. But you can get speed from
apps that is gratifying.
>>> What is the Amiga equivalent of the following PC software:
>>> Excel
>>> Firefox/IE
>>> Photoshop
>>> Lightwave 9.5
>> I really have no idea of the depth of your needs.
> Just the above really.
The above are a spreadsheet, a browser, an image manipulation
battleship and a 3D app of enormous versatility.
My buddy re-edited an entire commercial movie production
using photoshop and a film editor. In addition he redid the
credits with Lightwave. The special effects received a little
upgrade via adding in 35mm film grain to bring them back
in line with the production values.
I on the other hand took a set of PDF documents and edited
them both for style and content and added many photos and
diagrams using my apps. Then I produced a newsletter template
complete with three issues to start production off. Added to that
was the ability for them to add to their web training/help/database
pages so they could reference it at their terminals.
>> I don't use
>> a spreadsheet but there are a couple available. If you need
>> to have cross platform compatibility you can wait for Open
>> Office to be ported. I have TurboCalc and it is ARexx
>> capable for your macros and routines.
> I have TurboCalc 5.0 -not sure if that is the latest version but it is
> some way from being an Excel killer. If you know of any others I
> can try it would be great if you could list them as this is an area
> that I can see missing on the Amiga.
If you are a high end spreadsheet user then yes you need an
Excel equivalent especially if you know that TurboCalc won't
cut it for what you do.
> I don't really want to count software like Open Office as it doesn't
> exist on the Amiga.
And it would be slow as a first generation port as well.
> I only want to focus on software that is actually available.
>> FireFox/IE, you can use IBrowse or AWeb - Sputnik has
>> the bounty prepaid to come over from MOS and OWB is
>> getting closer each revision. I'm sure the native IB3.0
>> will be winner when it finally arrives.
>
> Hopefully IB 3.0 will arrive for OS4 and be cool as I used to use IB
> back in 1995 when I last had an Amiga. But again - it doesn't exist yet.
As I said OWB is the current front runner for a fully compliant
browser app. I use AWeb native and OWB, Ib has never felt right
to me.
>> Photoshop, there's a battleship, I use ImageFX, Photogenics,
>> HollyWood & Designer, TVPaint and some smaller utilities for
>> conversion and single effects. DrawStudio, ArtDepartment and
>> Amifig also provide some utility.
> Wow. Is AdPro still going?
What do you use on a pc for large batch conversions?
>> Lightwave, well I have Aladdin4 but that doesn't come close,
>> I'm looking for a copy of Lightwave, the last Amiga version,
>> but it is as rare as hen's teeth.
> Also I suppose it won't really compare as it would be so far behind the
> current curve. I think the last version was 5.0 - about 13 years ago now.
Again, behind the curve depends on what you are doing with it. I was
able
create a title and make it 3D with metalic effects and spin it into
position in
about 3 minutes on an 040 Amiga back in the day. I'm sure it would be
overkill for anything I'd use it for now but I'd have that wonderful
speed
boost on ppc.
>> I don't think that you will have much joy trying to jump back
>> into Amigadom from a standing start. I never left and kept
>> my software updated as best I could.
> I cannot see how it makes that much difference. Even if I had the latest
> version of everything on the Amiga I can see that in reality it is still
> a long way short of a standard PC.
And we know how far that standard pc is behind a workstation pc where
apps like photoshop and lightwave are used in production capacity. I'm
talking the $800 MB's that accept 32G of RAM and use real high end
GFX cards. My micro with OS4 was $1100. Even my two quads carry only
4G and are rated for 8G tops. Makes for throwing XP and Ubuntu64 bit
around while running boinc or folding a breeze but not really up in the
class of doing heavy production work on critical time performance
deadlines.
>> So, Sam, I don't know what to advise, as only you can know
>> what you need to do and so much depends on what you
>> do and how you do it.
> Just an answer to the original question really which you have given. Thanks.
Great, though I don't think it was anything you didn't already know even
being out of the Amiga scene so long.
Terry
anamigan
> anamigan wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:52:23 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>>> Please provide links to these comparisons and contrasts
>>> that you claim to have made.
>> First your memory and now your googling skills failed eh?
> I cannot google that which does not exist, and obviously
> neither can you or you would have done so to prove your point.
First of all Beeton Troll, you cannot google at all.
Second, why would I need to provide the facts for you when
you claim you can google but fail at presenting the details.
So, by doing nothing, I have indeed proved my point.
>>> That's funny considering the one who's dodging and
>>> bobbing is you. The purpose of your test was to
>>> determine who, in your ever so humble opinion, was
>>> worthy of posting here (with you at the top of the list of
>>> course). True or false?
>> Absolutely false Beeton Troll. The test was to weed out
>> those who didn't have experience with things they were
>> talking about which in turn pre-empted them from speaking
>> authoritatively about those selfsame things.
> You say "Absolutely false" and then go on to describe the
> purpose of your test to be exactly what I said it was.
Your reading comprehension still sucks and now it blows too.
Anyone may post in an open unmoderated newsgroup
Beeton Troll, even you an embittered ex-Amigan.
Each poster however may or may know little or nothing or
a great deal about what they are posting.
It then follows, that, if you have no experience on or
access to what is being discussed, your opinion would
at the very least carry less weight than a poster's who
not only had but used hardware or apps being discussed.
If a poster maintained having such expertise it would then
follow that perhaps they might be called upon to prove it.
>>> Go ahead and dodge the issue. I'm used to it from you.
>>> t's not too late to claim the reward - all you have to do is
>>> tell me if SteveGeorge's blatant lies about the Amiga's
>>> capabilities were good or bad for the Amiga's wellbeing.
>>> How hard could that be!
>> Reward? Are you just being retarded? It was a bet Beeton
>> Troll! One that you failed to honour, failed to recall and
>> failed to find with your googling skills.
> The challenge, moron, was for you to tell me if
> SteveGeorge's blatant lies about the Amiga's
> capabilities were good or bad for the Amiga's
> wellbeing.
What, that pound for pound the Amiga held its own?
BTW, SG stood for Steven Giovenalla. George Preddy
has never been part of C.S.A.A and is merely some
sort of red herring you are using perhaps to draw
John Sheehy back into the fray to help you out.
> You comprehensively failed to do so. How then does
> that translate to me failing to honour the bet???
> Hint: It doesn't. You lost. Period.
So you say. But the point became your complete inability
to recall the bet, find the bet or to pay off UNTIL I led you
to it. And, as an added bonus, none of your troll friends
bothered to come forward and help you as they have
done in the past.
>>> Of course *you* weren't complaining. They were
>>> your goofy rules so why would you complain?!
>> Either way Beeton Troll you lose. You can't make me out to
>> be an illiterate fanboy
> No, you do that all by yourself.
Okay, illiterate fanboy it is.
>> and wail about how I controlled an
>> open unmoderated usenet newsgroup.
> I have never done any such thing.
Yes you have.
> You have a great deal of trouble telling the difference
> between accomplishing something and *trying* to
> accomplish something.
You've been whining and crying about me and my test
in this thread. When no such problem exists in reality.
The test was about actual experience and knowledge.
You have none.
> You tried and tried and tried and tried and tried
> to control an open unmoderated newsgroup (just as you
> described above), but obviously you never had any hope
> of succeeding. Obviously to everybody but you that is.
I already explained about reading for comprehension
Beeton Troll, you don't.
>>> Which two ways would that be, Terry?
>> Either I know what I am talking about or you don't.
> LOL. Nice attempted deflection. Not.
I have and continue to use PPC Amigas and you don't
know much of anything about them.
>>> So you admit outright that you are unlikely ever to make a
>>> statement of fact? How uncharacteristically honest of you!
>> What part of delusional are you in denial of?
> None. I fully acknowledge your delusional state. It goes
> a long way to explaining why you are incapable of stating
> a fact.
Fact is Beeton Troll that you are making sweeping grandious
statements in support of other trolls that have never even seen
much less used PPC based Amigas.
>>> That's your ploy, TerryTroll, not mine. Remember?
>> Whole threads are available demonstrating my adding things
>> back in that you snipped
> Look, troll, the only time snip your drivel is when you dive off on some
> completely unrelated tangent in an attempt to avoid having to deal with
> the topic at hand.
Actually it is what you do when you get "cornered" Beeton Troll.
>> - I'm thinking about that infamous
>> tactic of using "Vulcan TV Logik" to bolster your sophistry.
> "Vulcan TV Logik" is something that only exists in your
> strange little mind. Nobody knows what the fuck you're
> talking about when you use that term.
It's very obvious what it is. It was used on Star Trek as a
writer's device to move the plot in the direction they wanted
without resorting to actually providing a rational explanation
as to why it should.
> But by all means keep on using it and pretending to
> yourself that you have won some sort of victory.
> Meanwhile everybody is laughing at you.
Seriously dude, please join Evyln Woodenhead's Speed
Reading and Comprehension Basics course, it was your
tactic and I hung you out to dry on it by naming it for
future generations so they could get the joke.
>>> I could and did actually tell you. It's not my fault that you are
>>> incapable of accepting information that doesn't happen to agree
>>> with your pre-conceived misconceptions.
>> I remember your more powerful A4K, LOL!!!
> Bully for you. But your memory is not in question. Your ability to
> reason most certainly is though.
Nice deflection, in one day you went from braying like a mule
about your more powerful Amiga and your more sophisticated
understanding and use of it, to, "slightly more powerful" based
on a couple of megs of RAM which I took out of mine so it only
used the RAM which was on the accelerator board.
>>> Nope, wrong again:
>> Could we just double check that the sky in your world is
>> indeed blue?
No answer yet, I'll accept any proper standard here.
>>> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=troll
>>> <quote>
>>> troll 3 internet
>>> Noun
>>> a person who posts deliberately inflammatory
>>> messages on an internet discussion board
>>> <\quote>
>>> That's you to a 'T', TerryTroll!
>> Wow, I'm impressed, not only did you find a
>> definition but you managed to cut and paste
>> and post it.
> And it describes you to a "T". I couldn't help noticing
> that you were unable to deny that.
Me being the one that actually uses a PPC based Amiga
points to me being the amiga advocate here whilst you
who are busy running someone like me and the Amiga
down are indeed the troll, Beeton Troll.
>>> You don't have to like it but it is true.
>> At least in your little world Beeton Troll.
> My little world being Earth.
You haven't got back to me on the colour of the sky in your
"world".
>>> Tell me again, Terry, how old that processor is?
Couple of four years maybe like your P4.
>>> Tell me how fast and responsive your PPC based
>>> Amiga is when it is playing a DVD while encoding
>>> a video and running Lightwave and Photoshop in
>>> the background?
>> Poor Beeton Troll, don't you know that Photoshop doesn't
>> run on a PPC AmigaOS based machine? I can't find a copy of
>> Lightwave to buy anywhere for my Amiga either.
>> I can only run ImageFX 4.5 and Photogenics while MPlayer is
>> running.
> That is precisely my point. There are no power applications
> available for the Amiga. If there were you would soon
> realize what a dog your tired old system is.
Beeton troll, still playing the video and running my apps.
I also have two quads, which beats your silly P4 all over
the place by a couple of generations.
>>> The ONLY reason why your Preciousss appears to be fast
>>> and responsive is because you haven't got any software to
>>> run on it. An OS without software is as useful as an iron
>>> parachute.
>> I've just passed the point where Native software makes up
>> 50% of my daily running apps. SabreMSN is the latest from
>> the coder of WookieChat.
> Golly, I hope that new chat software won't tax your system
> too terribly much.
IM, WookieChat is IRC.
>>> You have no response to my comment so you attack my
>>> person. Have another look at that definition for 'troll'.
>> Lots of pros are still using their medium formats.
> Sure, and lots of people still use typewriters too.
Meaning? do you have an actual point Beeton Troll?
>> As for me,
>> I use linux and windows on quads. I hope you are at least
>> using a core2duo processor by now, I parted mine out to
>> the upstairs general computer and inserted a quad
>> replacement.
> And you use your "peripherals" because your Amiga can't
> do what you need or want it to do. Yes, I know.
Some things Beeton Troll, just like your pc still struggles to
do things in less than 2G of RAM.
>> Still sounds like you are mixing ad hominem and non
>> sequitur as you backpedal away from the fire.
> What fire would that be.
The one where you are caught with your ass hanging
in the wind because you actually have never used a
PPC based Amiga or OS4.
> You don't still believe that your water-pistol
> is loaded do you??
You're the one thinking that you have a point.
>> I don't pirate the latest movies from the torrent
>> sites and make DVD's out of them or download a lot of
>> pirated music and put it on CD like other people do.
> Face it, Terry, your Amiga couldn't download a torrent
> even if you wanted it to.
Has it ever occurred to you to check anything before you
so blithely post these sorts of facts to an open unmoderated
usenet newsgroup for all to see, where they will be recorded
for posterity?
>>> I hadn't looked at your crappy photos, but the file naming
>>> format is compliant with both Panasonic and Olympus camera
>>> file name formats.
>> Once things are revealed to you, you suddenly become an
>> expert. It's about the images Beeton Troll.
> Sorry, TerryTroll, but I don't read minds. Especially one as
> strange as yours. Here's a word that obviously isn't in your
> enormous vocabulary: Communicate. That's what you need
> to do if you want others to understand WTF you are thinking.
This is about the images and their presentation Beeton Troll. You
can't tell whether they came from a medium format study of that
hive while it was being built, with the negatives scanned into my
quad or from images from my C2100UZ downloaded into my Micro.
How thoroughly is your chest thumping bias defeated by such
a simple proof? Fail, Beeton Troll.
>>> Sidestepping challenges is your speciality, Terry, not mine.
>>> I'd be happy to address your challenge but I can't very well
>>> address a challenge that hasn't been made. What is your
>>> point, O Pointless One?
>> You cannot tell from the images how they were made or how they
>> came to be placed on the web page which causes all your nostalgia
>> and living in the past arguments to fall to the wayside like the
>> detrius they are.
> I could play silly-bugger games just like you by posting a link to a
> photo and asking you to guess what my point is. But instead I'm just
> going to make my point:
> Q: How do you load RAW image files into an Amiga?
> A: You can't.
FALSE.
> Q: How do you edit 12 or 16 bit images using an Amiga?
> A: You don't.
That's TRUE. I don't.
> Q: What Amiga software allows you to edit images non-destructively?
> A: None.
FALSE.
> Q: What Amiga software is available to manage your photo library?
> A: None.
FALSE.
> So don't give this crap about any old computer will do. The Amiga
> simply doesn't. Not in today's world.
Well, let's clarify all this and see if you can move up a level to Epic
Fail.
Terry
anamigan
> anamigan wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:24:47 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>>> See, there you go again.
>> What, you're the fruitloop that continues this relentless
>> flamewar against people who call a spade a spade, in
>> this case, you being delusional.
> It's a pity that enormous vocabulary of yours can't
> help you formulate a sentence that parses.
Still having comprehension problems?
Beeton Troll == Delusional FruitLoop Poster.
>>> Clowns like you and SteveGeorge provided endless
>>> amusement (as well as considerable embarrassment) back
>>> then, as you still do today. You been a raving loony, Terry,
>>> pre-dates my participation in c.s.a.a by a very, very long time.
>> So you admit to "being" a raving loonie.
> Nor does it help your reading comprehension.
Beeton Troll, one more time, you're the one with the
comprehension problems.
>>> Too bad you lack the skill to string those big words
>>> into discussions that don't make you look like a fool.
>>> Bullshit is still bullshit no matter how tediously verbose
>>> you make it.
>> I figure the context doesn't have to be perfect - just
>> good enough to drive you to a dictionary so that you
>> get the point. The veracity of your statements is
>> certainly unquestionable, not.
> The accuracy of the content doesn't seem to very
> important to you either.
No veracity implies a likehood of low accuracy.
>>> No, that you require "peripherals" to make your Amiga appear useful.
>> Sigh, what are we going to do with the humour impaired?
> Have you ever actually read any of the shit you've posted over the
> years? I find it's always good for a few belly-laughs!
Adding yet another complex to your list of ailments is
not a good sign. You constantly review past postings?
Is that to see where you went wrong?
Terry
Gary Beeton
> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:42:08 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> It's a pity that enormous vocabulary of yours can't
>> help you formulate a sentence that parses.
>
> Still having comprehension problems?
I can't comprehend how you manage to function in this world with such
poor communications skills.
>> Nor does it help your reading comprehension.
>
> Beeton Troll, one more time, you're the one with the
> comprehension problems.
You'll never get through kindergarten if you keep blaming others for
your own problems.
>> The accuracy of the content doesn't seem to very
>> important to you either.
>
> No veracity implies a likehood of low accuracy.
Okay, the *veracity* of the content doesn't seem very important to you
either. Better?
>> Have you ever actually read any of the shit you've posted over the
>> years? I find it's always good for a few belly-laughs!
>
> Adding yet another complex to your list of ailments is
> not a good sign. You constantly review past postings?
Complex?? Constantly review??? Man, you have a lot of nerve accusing
me of comprehension problems!
> Is that to see where you went wrong?
No, that is where I laugh at your stupidity. You should try reading
your shit some day. You're a hoot!
--
Gary Beeton
Gary Beeton
> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:54:48 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> I cannot google that which does not exist, and obviously
>> neither can you or you would have done so to prove your point.
>
> First of all Beeton Troll, you cannot google at all.
Says the child who couldn't back up a claim if his life depended on it.
LOL.
> Second, why would I need to provide the facts for you when
> you claim you can google but fail at presenting the details.
Because doing so would prove that you're not full of shit.
> So, by doing nothing, I have indeed proved my point.
By doing nothing you've proven that you made no comparisons or contrasts
and that you are, in fact, full of shit.
>> You say "Absolutely false" and then go on to describe the
>> purpose of your test to be exactly what I said it was.
>
> Your reading comprehension still sucks and now it blows too.
>
> Anyone may post in an open unmoderated newsgroup
That's what I keep telling you.
> Each poster however may or may know little or nothing or
> a great deal about what they are posting.
In your case that would be little or nothing.
> It then follows, that, if you have no experience on or
> access to what is being discussed, your opinion would
> at the very least carry less weight than a poster's who
> not only had but used hardware or apps being discussed.
Experience <> knowledge nor comprehension. You've proven that in spades!
> If a poster maintained having such expertise it would then
> follow that perhaps they might be called upon to prove it.
Proving your claims is something you've never managed to do.
>> The challenge, moron, was for you to tell me if
>> SteveGeorge's blatant lies about the Amiga's
>> capabilities were good or bad for the Amiga's
>> wellbeing.
>
> What, that pound for pound the Amiga held its own?
"Held" is past tense. The Amiga hasn't held its own for more than a decade.
And you know damned well that I was challenging you to take a stance on
SteveGeorge's relentless attacks on an Amiga developer.
> BTW, SG stood for Steven Giovenalla. George Preddy
> has never been part of C.S.A.A and is merely some
> sort of red herring you are using perhaps to draw
> John Sheehy back into the fray to help you out.
Your crackpot buddy changed his identity after getting thrown out of a
moderated digital photography forum because he was behaving like
himself. You can deny it all you like but we both know that it's true.
>> You comprehensively failed to do so. How then does
>> that translate to me failing to honour the bet???
>> Hint: It doesn't. You lost. Period.
>
> So you say. But the point became your complete inability
> to recall the bet, find the bet or to pay off UNTIL I led you
> to it. And, as an added bonus, none of your troll friends
> bothered to come forward and help you as they have
> done in the past.
So the point, in your extremely convoluted opinion, had nothing
whatsoever to do with the Amiga? I have news for you TrollBoy, the
challenge I presented you with was about the wellbeing of the Amiga
community. Nothing else. It was only when you couldn't face that
challenge without admitting that you were aiding and abetting a person
who was wilfully damaging the Amiga community that you pathetically
tried to change the point to become a personal attack on myself. And
hey, guess what, not only did you actively support an idiot's relentless
attacks on the Amiga community, but by attacking me instead of
distancing yourself from your cretin buddy you made it clear to the
world what an enormous lowlife scumbag you really are.
>> No, you do that all by yourself.
>
> Okay, illiterate fanboy it is.
You're being far too easy on yourself.
>> I have never done any such thing.
>
> Yes you have.
And once again you prove my point by failing to back up your ridiculous
assertions.
>> You have a great deal of trouble telling the difference
>> between accomplishing something and *trying* to
>> accomplish something.
>
> You've been whining and crying about me and my test
> in this thread. When no such problem exists in reality.
Again, that's what I keep telling you. Despite all your efforts you had
no control over c.s.a.a whatsoever. It wasn't real. It existed only in
your foolish little head. Nowhere else.
> The test was about actual experience and knowledge.
> You have none.
Like I said, that silly premise exists only in your tiny little mind.
>> You tried and tried and tried and tried and tried
>> to control an open unmoderated newsgroup (just as you
>> described above), but obviously you never had any hope
>> of succeeding. Obviously to everybody but you that is.
>
> I already explained about reading for comprehension
> Beeton Troll, you don't.
Yes, it's been well established that you have severe problems with
comprehension.
>> LOL. Nice attempted deflection. Not.
>
> I have and continue to use PPC Amigas and you don't
> know much of anything about them.
I know that the PPC is old, tired, and obsolete. That is just one of
many things I know about PPC Amigas that you seem oblivious to.
>> None. I fully acknowledge your delusional state. It goes
>> a long way to explaining why you are incapable of stating
>> a fact.
>
> Fact is Beeton Troll that you are making sweeping grandious
> statements in support of other trolls that have never even seen
> much less used PPC based Amigas.
And yet somehow these so-called trolls can easily spot a dead carcass
where you cannot. Curious.
>> Look, troll, the only time snip your drivel is when you dive off on some
>> completely unrelated tangent in an attempt to avoid having to deal with
>> the topic at hand.
>
> Actually it is what you do when you get "cornered" Beeton Troll.
LOL. You couldn't corner a hat rack, TerryTroll.
>> "Vulcan TV Logik" is something that only exists in your
>> strange little mind. Nobody knows what the fuck you're
>> talking about when you use that term.
>
> It's very obvious what it is. It was used on Star Trek as a
> writer's device to move the plot in the direction they wanted
> without resorting to actually providing a rational explanation
> as to why it should.
Such as when you tried to redirect the flack from your support for
SteveGeorge's Amiga bashing into a personal attack on me?
>> But by all means keep on using it and pretending to
>> yourself that you have won some sort of victory.
>> Meanwhile everybody is laughing at you.
>
> Seriously dude, please join Evyln Woodenhead's Speed
> Reading and Comprehension Basics course, it was your
> tactic and I hung you out to dry on it by naming it for
> future generations so they could get the joke.
Seriously dude, the laugh is still squarely on you.
>> Bully for you. But your memory is not in question. Your ability to
>> reason most certainly is though.
>
> Nice deflection, in one day you went from braying like a mule
> about your more powerful Amiga and your more sophisticated
> understanding and use of it, to, "slightly more powerful" based
> on a couple of megs of RAM which I took out of mine so it only
> used the RAM which was on the accelerator board.
More powerful == more powerful. It's not my fault that your Ego
couldn't stand somebody knowing more about Amigas than you.
>>> Could we just double check that the sky in your world is
>>> indeed blue?
>
> No answer yet, I'll accept any proper standard here.
I could explain to you that the sky in my world is blue, but I don't
know how to explain the concept of 'blue' to a person who refuses to
open their eyes.
>> And it describes you to a "T". I couldn't help noticing
>> that you were unable to deny that.
>
> Me being the one that actually uses a PPC based Amiga
> points to me being the amiga advocate here whilst you
> who are busy running someone like me and the Amiga
> down are indeed the troll, Beeton Troll.
Don't you ever grow tired of regurgitating that bullshit?? You know
dick about Amigas, you support Amiga bashers, you spew bullshit about
Amigas (making you an Amiga basher in your own right), and you post
deliberately inflammatory messages on an internet discussion board
(making you a troll in your own right).
>> That is precisely my point. There are no power applications
>> available for the Amiga. If there were you would soon
>> realize what a dog your tired old system is.
>
> Beeton troll, still playing the video and running my apps.
> I also have two quads, which beats your silly P4 all over
> the place by a couple of generations.
If your Amiga were not so old and tired and if it didn't lack power
applications then perhaps you wouldn't need those two quads to prop it
up. And FWIW I haven't used a P4 in years. Mind you, a P4 would still
run rings around your PPC...
>> Golly, I hope that new chat software won't tax your system
>> too terribly much.
>
> IM, WookieChat is IRC.
I know that, dufus. The point you are trying hard not to notice is that
Internet Relay Chat software is not considered to be a power application.
>> Sure, and lots of people still use typewriters too.
>
> Meaning? do you have an actual point Beeton Troll?
Meaning that a few old duffers still clinging to the past does not make
the Amiga a thriving entity.
>> And you use your "peripherals" because your Amiga can't
>> do what you need or want it to do. Yes, I know.
>
> Some things Beeton Troll, just like your pc still struggles to
> do things in less than 2G of RAM.
Pity you can't solve your Amiga's problems by simply adding $40 worth of
RAM.
>> What fire would that be.
>
> The one where you are caught with your ass hanging
> in the wind because you actually have never used a
> PPC based Amiga or OS4.
Please give that bullshit strawman a rest already. It was pathetic when
you first brain-farted it out and it hasn't gotten any better with age.
>> Face it, Terry, your Amiga couldn't download a torrent
>> even if you wanted it to.
>
> Has it ever occurred to you to check anything before you
> so blithely post these sorts of facts to an open unmoderated
> usenet newsgroup for all to see, where they will be recorded
> for posterity?
My mistake, I stand corrected.
>> Sorry, TerryTroll, but I don't read minds. Especially one as
>> strange as yours. Here's a word that obviously isn't in your
>> enormous vocabulary: Communicate. That's what you need
>> to do if you want others to understand WTF you are thinking.
>
> This is about the images and their presentation Beeton Troll. You
> can't tell whether they came from a medium format study of that
> hive while it was being built, with the negatives scanned into my
> quad or from images from my C2100UZ downloaded into my Micro.
>
> How thoroughly is your chest thumping bias defeated by such
> a simple proof? Fail, Beeton Troll.
What proof do you imagine you made? All you said (in the most
convoluted possible way) is that the Amiga can be used to manipulate
jpegs. Whoop T Do. I was doing that on my Amiga back in the last
century. Today though most everybody but you has more pressing
requirements for their computers.
>> I could play silly-bugger games just like you by posting a link to a
>> photo and asking you to guess what my point is. But instead I'm just
>> going to make my point:
>
>> Q: How do you load RAW image files into an Amiga?
>> A: You can't.
>
> FALSE.
I'm not talking about using some useless command line interface
converter, Terry. I'm talking about software that can manipulate RAW
images.
>> Q: How do you edit 12 or 16 bit images using an Amiga?
>> A: You don't.
>
> That's TRUE. I don't.
Which means that for 12-bit images you are throwing away 15/16th of the
image data (or at least you would be if you had a decent camera). Your
choice.
>> Q: What Amiga software allows you to edit images non-destructively?
>> A: None.
>
> FALSE.
Name the software.
>> Q: What Amiga software is available to manage your photo library?
>> A: None.
>
> FALSE.
Name the software.
>> So don't give this crap about any old computer will do. The Amiga
>> simply doesn't. Not in today's world.
>
> Well, let's clarify all this and see if you can move up a level to Epic
> Fail.
Yes, please do clarify.
--
Gary Beeton
Lord Vetinari
news:PlTlk.160978$gc5.112759@pd7urf2no...
I see that you're still here, posting your drivel. It's truly amazing how
you still sound like some spoiled brat. Hell, maybe you're just an old
bot...that would certainly explain why you've never come up with anything
new in over ten years.
Gary Beeton
All I have done is respond to TerryTroll's attacks. If you don't like
what I post then kindly ask TerryTroll to stop badmouthing the Amiga and
to stop flaming the messenger.
--
Gary Beeton
Sam Smith
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:35:03 +0100, Sam Smith wrote:
>
>> anamigan wrote:
>> Wow. Is AdPro still going?
>
> What do you use on a pc for large batch conversions?
Actually I use an old copy of PaintShopPro. So we both use old software
to get by. ;)
---
Sam
Clocky
"Lord Vetinari" <veti...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:P41mk.3361$zv7....@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com...
Just like the Amiga then ;-)
anamigan
> anamigan wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:42:08 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>>> It's a pity that enormous vocabulary of yours can't
>>> help you formulate a sentence that parses.
>> Still having comprehension problems?
> I can't comprehend how you manage to function in
> this world with such poor communications skills.
What's broken Beeton Troll is your parser. Because
someone is not ageeing with you you can't fathom what
is being said.
>>> Nor does it help your reading comprehension.
>> Beeton Troll, one more time, you're the one with the
>> comprehension problems.
> You'll never get through kindergarten if you keep blaming
> others for your own problems.
Are you trying to tell us that you have issues stretching back
to kindergarten? I thought that was where all the answers
were given out. Share. Take a nap. Be nice to others. You
seem to have been left out of a few important lesson groups.
>>> The accuracy of the content doesn't seem to very
>>> important to you either.
>> No veracity implies a likehood of low accuracy.
> Okay, the *veracity* of the content doesn't seem very
> important to you either. Better?
That's not what I said at all. Your parser definitely needs
a major adjustment. If you do not have access to or do
not use the apps and hardware you're offering opinions on
then there is very little likelihood of high accuracy being
attached to them.
>>> Have you ever actually read any of the shit you've
>>> posted over the years? I find it's always good for
>>> a few belly-laughs!
>> Adding yet another complex to your list of ailments is
>> not a good sign. You constantly review past postings?
> Complex?? Constantly review??? Man, you have a lot
> of nerve accusing me of comprehension problems!
Accusing you? Why do you always put things in terms of
being on trial? A guilty concience perhaps? You do not have
any experience with a modern Amiga or even a classic one
with a ppc board.
>> Is that to see where you went wrong?
> No, that is where I laugh at your stupidity. You should
> try reading your shit some day. You're a hoot!
Beeton Troll, that is very very sad.
Terry
anamigan
> Lord Vetinari wrote:
Heh, that's hilarious Beeton Troll. Someone tells you that you
are stupid and meaningless and you blame someone else.
Dodge, Bob and Weave.
Priceless.
Terry
anamigan
> unamigan wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:54:48 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>>> I cannot google that which does not exist, and obviously
>>> neither can you or you would have done so to prove your point.
>> So, by doing nothing, I have indeed proved my point.
> That's what I keep telling you.
One turnaround too many methinks.
>> It then follows, that, if you have no experience on or
>> access to what is being discussed, your opinion would
>> at the very least carry less weight than a poster's who
>> not only had but used hardware or apps being discussed.
> And you know damned well that I was challenging you to
> take a stance on SteveGeorge's relentless attacks on an
> Amiga developer.
The same one you offhandedly stabbed in the back?
>>> You tried and tried and tried and tried and tried
>>> to control an open unmoderated newsgroup (just as you
>>> described above), but obviously you never had any hope
>>> of succeeding. Obviously to everybody but you that is.
>> I already explained about reading for comprehension
>> Beeton Troll, you don't.
> Yes, it's been well established that you have severe problems
> with comprehension.
I guess so, it's like believing that you might actually
"get it" one day.
>>> LOL. Nice attempted deflection. Not.
>> I have and continue to use PPC Amigas and you don't
>> know much of anything about them.
> I know that the PPC is old, tired, and obsolete. That is
> just one of many things I know about PPC Amigas that
> you seem oblivious to.
And again Beeton Troll one has to wonder how you "know"
such a thing when you have never seen one.
>>> "Vulcan TV Logik" is something that only exists in your
>>> strange little mind. Nobody knows what the fuck you're
>>> talking about when you use that term.
>> It's very obvious what it is. It was used on Star Trek as a
>> writer's device to move the plot in the direction they wanted
>> without resorting to actually providing a rational explanation
>> as to why it should.
> Such as when you tried to redirect the flack from your
> support for SteveGeorge's Amiga bashing into a personal
> attack on me?
Oh, so all this bluster is just a cover for your hurt feelings?
>>> Bully for you. But your memory is not in question. Your
>>> ability to reason most certainly is though.
>> Nice deflection, in one day you went from braying like a mule
>> about your more powerful Amiga and your more sophisticated
>> understanding and use of it, to, "slightly more powerful" based
>> on a couple of megs of RAM which I took out of mine so it only
>> used the RAM which was on the accelerator board.
> More powerful == more powerful. It's not my fault that your Ego
> couldn't stand somebody knowing more about Amigas than you.
Remember this Beeton Troll:
:Remind us all again what the superiority of the A4K is over
:the A3K after adding an accelerator and a graphics card?
:Your A4KD vs my A3KT?
"ZorroIII for starters."
ooops. ass hatted again.
>>> And it describes you to a "T". I couldn't help noticing
>>> that you were unable to deny that.
>> Me being the one that actually uses a PPC based Amiga
>> points to me being the amiga advocate here whilst you
>> who are busy running someone like me and the Amiga
>> down are indeed the troll, Beeton Troll.
> Don't you ever grow tired of regurgitating that bullshit??
I use an Amiga, it is a ppc based Amiga.
> You know dick about Amigas,
See above, the ass hatting.
> you support Amiga bashers,
You're living in the past.
> you spew bullshit about Amigas (making you
> an Amiga basher in your own right),
I share my "actual" not imaginary experiences.
> and you post deliberately inflammatory messages on
> an internet discussion board (making you a troll in
> your own right).
An unmoderated usenet newsgroup created for just such
purposes.
> And FWIW I haven't used a P4 in years. Mind you, a P4
> would still run rings around your PPC...
Years eh? Moved to a mac just before it went X86, smooth,
no wonder you know so much about co-operative multitasking
and orphan systems.
>>> Golly, I hope that new chat software won't tax your system
>>> too terribly much.
>> IM, WookieChat is IRC.
> I know that, dufus. The point you are trying hard not to
> notice is that Internet Relay Chat software is not considered
> to be a power application.
No dude, IM - instant messaging, like Messenger.
>>> What fire would that be.
>> The one where you are caught with your ass hanging
>> in the wind because you actually have never used a
>> PPC based Amiga or OS4.
> Please give that bullshit strawman a rest already.
Strawman? Like you haven't used a P4 in years?
>>> Face it, Terry, your Amiga couldn't download a torrent
>>> even if you wanted it to.
>> Has it ever occurred to you to check anything before you
>> so blithely post these sorts of facts to an open unmoderated
>> usenet newsgroup for all to see, where they will be recorded
>> for posterity?
> My mistake, I stand corrected.
But Beeton Troll, you have been proven wrong so much
why are you reversing already? I take it you finally looked
over the offerings at OS4Depot?
A clear loss over http://darcvhal.com/bees
>>> I could play silly-bugger games just like you by posting a link to a
>>> photo and asking you to guess what my point is. But instead I'm just
>>> going to make my point:
>>> Q: How do you load RAW image files into an Amiga?
>>> A: You can't.
>> FALSE.
> I'm not talking about using some useless command line interface
> converter, Terry. I'm talking about software that can manipulate
> RAW images.
You said "load". You were wrong.
>>> Q: How do you edit 12 or 16 bit images using an Amiga?
>>> A: You don't.
>> That's TRUE. I don't.
> Which means that for 12-bit images you are throwing
> away 15/16th of the image data (or at least you would
> be if you had a decent camera). Your choice.
Point one, you cannot tell from the web page where or how the
images were made or if they were manipulated.
Point two, you haven't made a point about why I would work at
12/16 bit levels.
>>> Q: What Amiga software allows you to edit images
>>> non-destructively?
>>> A: None.
>> FALSE.
> Name the software.
Define non-destructive for the studio audience. Because if I
were to say "SAVE AS" it would be much like your torrent
tirade or your "LOAD" shifting above.
>>> Q: What Amiga software is available to manage your
>>> photo library?
>>> A: None.
>> FALSE.
> Name the software.
Nope, not until you define "manage". Your shifting standards
are too hard to keep up with, say something and mean it and
then stick by it.
Can I do thumbnails? Can I sort directories? Can I search for an
individual photo? What is it that you mean by manage.
>>> So don't give this crap about any old computer will do. The Amiga
>>> simply doesn't. Not in today's world.
>> Well, let's clarify all this and see if you can move up a level to Epic
>> Fail.
> Yes, please do clarify.
No, it is definitely your turn still, please try to do it without weasel
wording,
shifting goal posts and about faces. That will save you a lot of time
lost
to apologies and dodging and bobbing.
Terry
Gary Beeton
> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:42:51 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> I can't comprehend how you manage to function in
>> this world with such poor communications skills.
>
> What's broken Beeton Troll is your parser. Because
> someone is not ageeing with you you can't fathom what
> is being said.
Hey, I'm not the one with an award for poor communication skills. That
would be you.
>> You'll never get through kindergarten if you keep blaming
>> others for your own problems.
>
> Are you trying to tell us that you have issues stretching back
> to kindergarten? I thought that was where all the answers
> were given out. Share. Take a nap. Be nice to others. You
> seem to have been left out of a few important lesson groups.
You'll find out if your education ever gets that far. But frankly I
doubt you'll meet the prerequisites.
>> Okay, the *veracity* of the content doesn't seem very
>> important to you either. Better?
>
> That's not what I said at all. Your parser definitely needs
> a major adjustment. If you do not have access to or do
> not use the apps and hardware you're offering opinions on
> then there is very little likelihood of high accuracy being
> attached to them.
There *is* *no* hardware available. There *are* *no* applications
available. If there were we wouldn't be having this discussion.
>> Complex?? Constantly review??? Man, you have a lot
>> of nerve accusing me of comprehension problems!
>
> Accusing you? Why do you always put things in terms of
> being on trial? A guilty concience perhaps?
Because you are constantly putting people on trial. Duh! You refuse to
acknowledge knowledge that differs from your preconceived
misconceptions. When anybody challenges your ignorance you flame them
to death.
> You do not have
> any experience with a modern Amiga or even a classic one
> with a ppc board.
There is no such thing as a "modern Amiga".
>> No, that is where I laugh at your stupidity. You should
>> try reading your shit some day. You're a hoot!
>
> Beeton Troll, that is very very sad.
I'm sorry you have no sense of humour.
--
Gary Beeton
Gary Beeton
Shit, and I thought that you had climbed back under your rock. So much
for a peaceful friendly Amiga newsgroup - TerryTroll is back to flame
with abandon.
--
Gary Beeton
Gary Beeton
> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:31:59 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> That's what I keep telling you.
>
> One turnaround too many methinks.
If by "turnaround" you mean one too many childish snip attempts then
yes, you have indeed sunk to a new low.
If it was not abundantly clear that you made no comparisons nor
contrasts before this pathetic misdirection ploy of yours, then it
certainly is now.
>> And you know damned well that I was challenging you to
>> take a stance on SteveGeorge's relentless attacks on an
>> Amiga developer.
>
> The same one you offhandedly stabbed in the back?
I made no stabs, offhandedly or otherwise. That was entirely your
invention in yet another of your pathetic attempts at being spiteful.
Oh and BTW, your misdirection attempts have failed you yet again. You
failed to meet the challenge regarding your very public Amiga basher buddy.
>> Yes, it's been well established that you have severe problems
>> with comprehension.
>
> I guess so, it's like believing that you might actually
> "get it" one day.
What's not to get, Herr Dictatorwannabe?
>> I know that the PPC is old, tired, and obsolete. That is
>> just one of many things I know about PPC Amigas that
>> you seem oblivious to.
>
> And again Beeton Troll one has to wonder how you "know"
> such a thing when you have never seen one.
If you knew how to do a little rudimentary research then you wouldn't
have to wonder about such thing. For instance it takes very little
effort to determine that the PPC was abandoned by Apple because of its
limitations long before the PPC saw the light of day in Amiga guise.
Nor does it take a rocket scientist to be able to read the PPC Amiga
specs and laugh. One does not have to see a PPC Amiga to know that it
started life *well* behind the curve and hasn't progressed since. One
does not have to "see" one to know that you couldn't buy one even if you
wanted to. All of these things are pretty damned obvious to anybody
willing to open their eyes.
>> Such as when you tried to redirect the flack from your
>> support for SteveGeorge's Amiga bashing into a personal
>> attack on me?
>
> Oh, so all this bluster is just a cover for your hurt feelings?
No, all this bluster is you trying to deflect attention away from one of
your many socially dysfunctional activities.
>> More powerful == more powerful. It's not my fault that your Ego
>> couldn't stand somebody knowing more about Amigas than you.
>
> Remember this Beeton Troll:
>
> :Remind us all again what the superiority of the A4K is over
> :the A3K after adding an accelerator and a graphics card?
> :Your A4KD vs my A3KT?
>
> "ZorroIII for starters."
>
> ooops. ass hatted again.
I remember you jumping on any little slip up, no matter how trivial, in
a pathetic attempt at hiding the fact that I knew more about Amigas than
you did.
>> Don't you ever grow tired of regurgitating that bullshit??
>
> I use an Amiga, it is a ppc based Amiga.
IOW, no, you don't ever grow tired of regurgitating that bullshit.
>> You know dick about Amigas,
>
> See above, the ass hatting.
Done. You know dick about Amigas (despite what your Ego keeps telling you).
>> you support Amiga bashers,
>
> You're living in the past.
Ah, so you have given up supporting Amiga bashers. In favour of doing
it yourself no doubt.
>> you spew bullshit about Amigas (making you
>> an Amiga basher in your own right),
>
> I share my "actual" not imaginary experiences.
Very heavily embellished "actual" experiences!
>> and you post deliberately inflammatory messages on
>> an internet discussion board (making you a troll in
>> your own right).
>
> An unmoderated usenet newsgroup created for just such
> purposes.
Oh brother! The discussions about creating c.s.a.a - the ones that YOU
YOURSELF posted here - clearly state that c.s.a.a was created for the
purpose of advocating the Amiga. It said nothing whatsoever about
creating a home for you and your flame wars.
>> And FWIW I haven't used a P4 in years. Mind you, a P4
>> would still run rings around your PPC...
>
> Years eh? Moved to a mac just before it went X86, smooth,
> no wonder you know so much about co-operative multitasking
> and orphan systems.
Nope, I don't have a Mac. Guess again. Here's a hint: I'm not
restricted to using old, obsolete hardware like Amiga nostalgia buffs are.
>> I know that, dufus. The point you are trying hard not to
>> notice is that Internet Relay Chat software is not considered
>> to be a power application.
>
> No dude, IM - instant messaging, like Messenger.
Dude, Instant Messaging is Microsoft's term for 'chat'. And no, IM
software is not considered to be a power application either.
>> Please give that bullshit strawman a rest already.
>
> Strawman?
Strawman: noun
- an argument that appears good at first view but is really fallacious.
Your Ego is incapable of accepting that anybody might know more than you
about anything so you create these convoluted strawmen to confuse the issue.
> Like you haven't used a P4 in years?
I'm not limited to using decade-old hardware like you are. Why is that
so hard for you to grasp?
>> My mistake, I stand corrected.
>
> But Beeton Troll, you have been proven wrong so much
> why are you reversing already? I take it you finally looked
> over the offerings at OS4Depot?
Unlike you, I am capable of learning.
> A clear loss over http://darcvhal.com/bees
How so?
>> I'm not talking about using some useless command line interface
>> converter, Terry. I'm talking about software that can manipulate
>> RAW images.
>
> You said "load". You were wrong.
If you convert a RAW image to some other format then it is no longer
loaded as RAW. I thought that would be clear even to you. My mistake.
>> Which means that for 12-bit images you are throwing
>> away 15/16th of the image data (or at least you would
>> be if you had a decent camera). Your choice.
>
> Point one, you cannot tell from the web page where or how the
> images were made or if they were manipulated.
>
> Point two, you haven't made a point about why I would work at
> 12/16 bit levels.
For your simplistic needs you don't need more than 8-bit JPEG snapshots.
That's great for you. Sucks for serious photographers though.
>> Name the software.
>
> Define non-destructive for the studio audience.
Software that allows you to make adjustments to parameters such as WB,
exposure, tone curve, straightening, cropping, sharpening, noise
reduction, making virtual copies, etc. without altering the original
image. And no, SAVE AS doesn't cut it because you lose the image's
history and thus your ability to restore an intermediate state.
>> Name the software.
>
> Nope, not until you define "manage". Your shifting standards
> are too hard to keep up with, say something and mean it and
> then stick by it.
>
> Can I do thumbnails? Can I sort directories? Can I search for an
> individual photo? What is it that you mean by manage.
Software with capabilities similar to Adobe Lightroom or Apple's
Aperture. Importing, exporting, thumbnailing, metadata editing,
searching, filtering, rating, flagging, non-destructive editing,
printing, etc. And RAW/12-bit/16-bit capable of course.
--
Gary Beeton
anamigan
> anamigan wrote
>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:31:59 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
> If it was not abundantly clear that you made no
> comparisons nor contrasts before this pathetic
> misdirection ploy of yours, then it certainly is now.
Beeton Troll, get a grip.
I used the mailers/newsreaders that everyone else here
was using at the time and pronounced NewsRog/NewYork
and YAM to be more than adequate for the tasks if not
totally superior due to the pre-emptive multitasking OS
that the Amiga offered.
Sam took that rememberance and translated that to a
complete software comparison evaluation between
platforms.
It's been explained in a form even you can understand.
>>> And you know damned well that I was challenging
>>> you to take a stance on SteveGeorge's relentless
>>> attacks on an Amiga developer.
>> The same one you offhandedly stabbed in the back?
> I made no stabs, offhandedly or otherwise. That was
> entirely your invention in yet another of your pathetic
> attempts at being spiteful.
Spiteful? Me? You're the one who asked for close
examination with your cries of exclusion in an open
unmoderated public usenet newsgroup, your tactics
of crying foul when pinned by your own actions and
taking unyielding positions about ethical issues.
> Oh and BTW, your misdirection attempts have
> failed you yet again. You failed to meet the challenge
> regarding your very public Amiga basher buddy.
What, another Amigan with a web page on modding
and accelerating the Amiga who held a wealth of
knowledge about applications and their uses?
>>> I know that the PPC is old, tired, and obsolete. That is
>>> just one of many things I know about PPC Amigas that
>>> you seem oblivious to.
>> And again Beeton Troll one has to wonder how you
>> "know" such a thing when you have never seen one.
> If you knew how to do a little rudimentary research then
> you wouldn't have to wonder about such thing.
Beeton Troll quit projecting.
> For instance it takes very little effort to determine that
> the PPC was abandoned by Apple because of its
> limitations long before the PPC saw the light of day
> in Amiga guise.
Just as it abandoned users and the 68K before that.
Don't forget they have also abandoned their core kernel
as well as going x86.
> Nor does it take a rocket scientist to be able to read
> the PPC Amiga specs and laugh.
Laugh away Beeton Troll. It might help you heal.
> One does not have to see a PPC Amiga to know that it
> started life *well* behind the curve and hasn't progressed
> since. One does not have to "see" one to know that you
> couldn't buy one even if you wanted to. All of these things
> are pretty damned obvious to anybody willing to open
> their eyes.
So Beeton Troll, my "new to me" AmigaOne XE is imaginary?
>>> More powerful == more powerful. It's not my fault that your Ego
>>> couldn't stand somebody knowing more about Amigas than you.
>> Remember this Beeton Troll:
>> :Remind us all again what the superiority of the A4K is over
>> :the A3K after adding an accelerator and a graphics card?
>> :Your A4KD vs my A3KT?
>> "ZorroIII for starters."
>> ooops. ass hatted again.
> I remember you jumping on any little slip up, no matter
> how trivial, in a pathetic attempt at hiding the fact that I
> knew more about Amigas than you did.
Uhm, I didn't bring up the fact that your more powerful Amiga
was actually 16M's more RAM based off the motherboard
when you had an accelerator with 128M onboard.
>>> You know dick about Amigas,
>> See above, the ass hatting.
> Done. You know dick about Amigas (despite
> what your Ego keeps telling you).
You spelled it wrong again Beeton Troll. It's
EXPERIENCE, not ego.
>>> you spew bullshit about Amigas (making you
>>> an Amiga basher in your own right),
>> I share my "actual" not imaginary experiences.
> Very heavily embellished "actual" experiences!
You've seen a flyer/toaster in use?
You've owned and used an opalvision card?
You've run a bbs?
You've used something like WShell?
You've used every Amiga model?
You've seen a CD32 used for online banking?
You've used an Amiga with more than an 040@40MHz?
You've stayed current with PageStream for DTP?
You've bought and used OS4?
You've bought and used a PPC based AmigaOne?
>>> and you post deliberately inflammatory messages on
>>> an internet discussion board (making you a troll in
>>> your own right).
>> An unmoderated usenet newsgroup created for just such
>> purposes.
> Oh brother! The discussions about creating c.s.a.a -
> the ones that YOU YOURSELF posted here - clearly
> state that c.s.a.a was created for the purpose of
> advocating the Amiga. It said nothing whatsoever about
> creating a home for you and your flame wars.
The ones that I had to post here because you couldn't
find them yourself.
This newsgroup was created during the reorganization of
the Amiga hiearchy of newsgroups for the express purpose
of keeping off topic posts out of the main newsgroups
dedicated to serious Amiga based conversations.
>>> And FWIW I haven't used a P4 in years. Mind
>>> you, a P4 would still run rings around your PPC...
>> Years eh? Moved to a mac just before it went X86, smooth,
>> no wonder you know so much about co-operative multitasking
>> and orphan systems.
> Nope, I don't have a Mac. Guess again. Here's a hint:
> I'm not restricted to using old, obsolete hardware like Amiga
> nostalgia buffs are.
Well with the cold winters in your neck of the woods I'd
have to guess something non mainstream like an AMD
dual cpu box.
>>> I know that, dufus. The point you are trying hard
>>> not to notice is that Internet Relay Chat software is
>>> not considered to be a power application.
>> No dude, IM - instant messaging, like Messenger.
> Dude, Instant Messaging is Microsoft's term for 'chat'.
> And no, IM software is not considered to be a power
> application either.
I'm not the one that knows everything Beeton Troll.
Tell your story to someone that has the life sucked out
of their machine running the latest version.
The ability to do the same thing as your precious PC is
the point with an IM app. I'm told by PC owners that it is
very fast compared to Messenger.
>>> Please give that bullshit strawman a rest already.
>> Strawman?
> Strawman: noun
> - an argument that appears good at first view but is
> really fallacious.
> Your Ego is incapable of accepting that anybody might
> know more than you about anything so you create these
> convoluted strawmen to confuse the issue.
Uhm, a strawman is a caricuture, an exagerated point
set up to be attacked using a less demanding rebuttal.
Pointing out that you have absolutely no experience with
a PPC based Amiga isn't a strawman it is an undeniable
factual observation.
OSX on a G4 macmini as a comparison to a PPC based
AmigaOne is a strawman. OSX is not the same as OS4.
>>> My mistake, I stand corrected.
>> But Beeton Troll, you have been proven wrong
>> so much why are you reversing already? I take
>> it you finally looked over the offerings at OS4Depot?
> Unlike you, I am capable of learning.
Unlike me you need to learn, Beeton Troll.
>> A clear loss over http://darcvhal.com/bees
> How so?
For all your vaunted expertise, superior hardware and
complex applications you really can't say much about
that short series of photos in their place on the web. Were
they tiffs? Did they get sharpened or massaged on an Amiga
before they were posted or did it happen on a pc? Were
they cropped? Which camera took these photos, a
2 1/4 X 2 3/4 film based model with a 135mm macro
dedicated lens and a ring flash or was it something
more modest like a 2.1 megapixel circa 2000 model?
You dribble on about "sucks for serious photographers"
when you cannot demonstrate you know what a
serious photographer is. Perhaps it's one that uses
equipment appropriate to getting the shot. Or perhaps
it is a skillset that allows a shot to be taken with what
is to hand. What about a photographer who shoots
full frame and understands both light and exposure
and doesn't spend hours of post processing time on
his photographs?
What if the photographer has a steady sure hand and
knows exactly what effect he is looking for when he
manipulates a photograph? Someone who is not an
experimentalist trying to make useable or unique
images by manipulation? Non destructive options are
not much use in that case.
The Amiga accepts "RAW" from my camera, ie TIFFS
which are then able to be edited at your 12/16 bit
levels. I use ImageFX and Photogenics under emulation
which is way faster than an 060 could be on my old
Amiga.
I don't need a superior digital camera because 2.1MP
is overkill for web based displays, the FZ20 is simply
an upgrade to that incorporating faster electronics and
higher capacity storage mediums and it is beaten in low
light and handheld situations by the C2100UZ.
Terry
gbe...@gmail.com
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:43:10 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
> > If it was not abundantly clear that you made no
> > comparisons nor contrasts before this pathetic
> > misdirection ploy of yours, then it certainly is now.
>
> Beeton Troll, get a grip.
>
> I used the mailers/newsreaders that everyone else here
> was using at the time and pronounced NewsRog/NewYork
> and YAM to be more than adequate for the tasks if not
> totally superior due to the pre-emptive multitasking OS
> that the Amiga offered.
Using applications is not the same as providing comparisons and
contrasts.
> Sam took that rememberance and translated that to a
> complete software comparison evaluation between
> platforms.
You are not Sam. You did not provide any comparisons nor contrasts.
All you did is use the stuff.
> > I made no stabs, offhandedly or otherwise. That was
> > entirely your invention in yet another of your pathetic
> > attempts at being spiteful.
>
> Spiteful? Me? You're the one who asked for close
> examination with your cries of exclusion in an open
> unmoderated public usenet newsgroup, your tactics
> of crying foul when pinned by your own actions and
> taking unyielding positions about ethical issues.
Don't play dumb. You are the most spiteful person I have ever met.
Whenever your Ego doesn't get its way it throws temper tantrums,
lashing out at whatever messenger happens to have offended it.
> > Oh and BTW, your misdirection attempts have
> > failed you yet again. You failed to meet the challenge
> > regarding your very public Amiga basher buddy.
>
> What, another Amigan with a web page on modding
> and accelerating the Amiga who held a wealth of
> knowledge about applications and their uses?
No, another troll who has done far more damage to the Amiga community
than good. Just like you!
> > For instance it takes very little effort to determine that
> > the PPC was abandoned by Apple because of its
> > limitations long before the PPC saw the light of day
> > in Amiga guise.
>
> Just as it abandoned users and the 68K before that.
> Don't forget they have also abandoned their core kernel
> as well as going x86.
Yes, and for exactly the same reasons that Amiga developers abandoned
Amiga users when they dumped the 68K processor family.
> > One does not have to see a PPC Amiga to know that it
> > started life *well* behind the curve and hasn't progressed
> > since. One does not have to "see" one to know that you
> > couldn't buy one even if you wanted to. All of these things
> > are pretty damned obvious to anybody willing to open
> > their eyes.
>
> So Beeton Troll, my "new to me" AmigaOne XE is imaginary?
It may well be. Considering how inept you are at demonstrating any
Amiga knowledge it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
> > I remember you jumping on any little slip up, no matter
> > how trivial, in a pathetic attempt at hiding the fact that I
> > knew more about Amigas than you did.
>
> Uhm, I didn't bring up the fact that your more powerful Amiga
> was actually 16M's more RAM based off the motherboard
> when you had an accelerator with 128M onboard.
Actually you did. Many, many times. In fact you just did it again.
Nobody knows why.
> > Done. You know dick about Amigas (despite
> > what your Ego keeps telling you).
>
> You spelled it wrong again Beeton Troll. It's
> EXPERIENCE, not ego.
You are free to use whatever pet-name you like for your Ego. Just
don't piss it off whatever you do!
> > Very heavily embellished "actual" experiences!
>
> You've seen a flyer/toaster in use?
> You've owned and used an opalvision card?
> You've run a bbs?
> You've used something like WShell?
> You've used every Amiga model?
> You've seen a CD32 used for online banking?
> You've used an Amiga with more than an 040@40MHz?
> You've stayed current with PageStream for DTP?
> You've bought and used OS4?
> You've bought and used a PPC based AmigaOne?
You claim a great deal of Amiga experience. Heck, some of it might
even be real. Nobody will ever know because you do such a damned good
job of hiding any knowledge that might have come from this alleged
experience.
> > Oh brother! The discussions about creating c.s.a.a -
> > the ones that YOU YOURSELF posted here - clearly
> > state that c.s.a.a was created for the purpose of
> > advocating the Amiga. It said nothing whatsoever about
> > creating a home for you and your flame wars.
>
> The ones that I had to post here because you couldn't
> find them yourself.
I had no cause to look. Unlike you, I know what this group was
intended for. And it wasn't intended for your trolling.
> This newsgroup was created during the reorganization of
> the Amiga hiearchy of newsgroups for the express purpose
> of keeping off topic posts out of the main newsgroups
> dedicated to serious Amiga based conversations.
Be specific. This newsgroup was created for the express purpose of
keeping *Amiga advocacy* posts out of serious Amiga newsgroups. But
don't take my word for it:
http://groups.google.ca/group/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy/about?hl=en
"Description Why an Amiga is better than XYZ."
...which is exactly what the posts that you provided said.
> > Nope, I don't have a Mac. Guess again. Here's a hint:
> > I'm not restricted to using old, obsolete hardware like Amiga
> > nostalgia buffs are.
>
> Well with the cold winters in your neck of the woods I'd
> have to guess something non mainstream like an AMD
> dual cpu box.
Nope. The PC I built before my current one had an AMD processor but
it wasn't "non mainstream". Nor is this one.
> > Dude, Instant Messaging is Microsoft's term for 'chat'.
> > And no, IM software is not considered to be a power
> > application either.
>
> I'm not the one that knows everything Beeton Troll.
You can say that again!
> The ability to do the same thing as your precious PC is
> the point with an IM app. I'm told by PC owners that it is
> very fast compared to Messenger.
Nobody cares. I challenged you to name a few Amiga power
applications, and Wookiechat is the best you could come up with.
Pathetic!
> > Strawman: noun
> > - an argument that appears good at first view but is
> > really fallacious.
> > Your Ego is incapable of accepting that anybody might
> > know more than you about anything so you create these
> > convoluted strawmen to confuse the issue.
>
> Uhm, a strawman is a caricuture, an exagerated point
> set up to be attacked using a less demanding rebuttal.
I see you are still using your own home-brewed dickshunairee.
> Pointing out that you have absolutely no experience with
> a PPC based Amiga isn't a strawman it is an undeniable
> factual observation.
It's a strawman. You keep spouting the importance of having
experience, all the while turning a blind eye to knowledge.
> > Unlike you, I am capable of learning.
>
> Unlike me you need to learn, Beeton Troll.
Learning is a good thing, Terry. You should really give it a try
before dismissing the concept completely.
Wow, Palfrey obfuscation at its finest! First you completely dodge
the challenge I presented you with by snipping it in its entirety.
Then you go on a long-winded tirade that essentially boils down to
your favourite fall-back argument that if it's good enough for Terry
Palfrey it must be good enough for everybody.
You stated a couple of photographic truisms and then made sweeping
generalizations implying that your specific needs are the only ones
that count. Yes, a good photographer knows what equipment is
appropriate for the application. If all he needs are web-quality
snapshots then sure, a crappy old P&S is probably good enough. What
you failed to acknowledge is the flip side of that argument - that if
a photographer showed up to a wedding shoot with that crappy old P&S
he'd get thrown out on his ear.
And yes, a good photograph starts with good understanding of
composition, lighting, and exposure. But you can't control everything
from the camera - the controls are too limiting. If you want to turn a
good photo into a great photo then you usually need to do some post-
processing (and despite your hyperbole, post-processing usually only
takes a few seconds, not hours). Try shooting a canyon in shadows
without blowing out the sky. You can't do that with proper exposure
alone. But you can if you apply tone curve adjustments in post.
Most professional or enthusiastic amateur film photographers would
prefer to develop their own work (or at least use a trusted lab)
rather than trusting it to Walmart because getting your fingers dirty
gives them control over the output. Similarly, serious digital
photographers often prefer manual image manipulation rather than
trusting their camera's electronics to apply cookie-cutter alterations
to their work. That has nothing to do with experimentalism. It has
nothing to do with whatever happens to be good enough for Terry
Palfrey. It is simply the artist wanting to make the most of what is
available to them.
The Amiga does not offer that capability. Period. Go on, say it with
me:
-The Amiga is not suitable for serious photographers.-
You can do it, Terry, just turn your Ego off for a moment and
concentrate.
And BTW, RAW<>TIFF. TIFF images have camera setting applied, RAW do
not.
--
Gary Beeton
Bjørnar Bolsøy
news:111566513685110.NC...@news.dccnet.com:
> Terry
>
> (who actually has Steve's mailing address and all)
'Lo Terry,
I've been meaning to contact Steve for some time. Would it be
to much to ask for his email address, if you have it?
Would appreciate it frasmoticly if you would relay to my
mailbox: bbolsoy at the warm thing.com
Regards,
anamigan
> anamigan wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:42:51 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>>> I can't comprehend how you manage to function in
>>> this world with such poor communications skills.
>> What's broken Beeton Troll is your parser. Because
>> someone is not agreeing with you you can't fathom what
>> is being said.
> Hey, I'm not the one with an award for poor communication skills.
> That would be you.
Funny then, that you have no trouble understanding me.
>>> Okay, the *veracity* of the content doesn't seem very
>>> important to you either. Better?
>> That's not what I said at all. Your parser definitely needs
>> a major adjustment. If you do not have access to or do
>> not use the apps and hardware you're offering opinions on
>> then there is very little likelihood of high accuracy being
>> attached to them.
> There *is* *no* hardware available. There *are* *no* applications
> available. If there were we wouldn't be having this discussion.
You must have seen the announcements already, even in boonieville.
http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz:8080/amiga
Makes AmiWest a "must attend" function this year.
I'm going...you gonna show up?
>>> Complex?? Constantly review??? Man, you have a lot
>>> of nerve accusing me of comprehension problems!
>> Accusing you? Why do you always put things in terms of
>> being on trial? A guilty concience perhaps?
> Because you are constantly putting people on trial. Duh!
> You refuse to acknowledge knowledge that differs from
> your preconceived misconceptions. When anybody
> challenges your ignorance you flame them to death.
Wow, there must be a massive international manhunt on
for me then. How many, aside from yourself, have died?
>> You do not have any experience with a modern Amiga
>>or even a classic one with a ppc board.
> There is no such thing as a "modern Amiga".
Ah, you're actually in denial and not just stupid and ignorant.
>>> No, that is where I laugh at your stupidity. You should
>>> try reading your shit some day. You're a hoot!
>> Beeton Troll, that is very very sad.
> I'm sorry you have no sense of humour.
Yes I do, I now have an AmigaOne XE with 2G of RAM,
a 256M 128bit ATI Radeon 9250, a 933MHz G4 and am
looking for a fast controller to add a really fast drive
instead of this 7200rpm/16M ide I'm using.
I'm going to receive my copy of OS4.1 within the next
couple of days, that's when the above configuration
will become very relevant.
Check here for the reason why:
http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/amigaos41-ars.ars
New hardware - updated OS - what else can go right?
Terry
Gary Beeton
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:53:42 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> Hey, I'm not the one with an award for poor communication skills.
>> That would be you.
>
> Funny then, that you have no trouble understanding me.
One must learn to comprehend gibberish when trying to converse with you.
>> There *is* *no* hardware available. There *are* *no* applications
>> available. If there were we wouldn't be having this discussion.
>
> You must have seen the announcements already, even in boonieville.
>
> http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz:8080/amiga
Still no hardware to run it on and no software to run on it. That
coupled with its [still] questionable legality makes this announcement a
real yawner.
> Makes AmiWest a "must attend" function this year.
>
> I'm going...you gonna show up?
You paying my way?
>> Because you are constantly putting people on trial. Duh!
>> You refuse to acknowledge knowledge that differs from
>> your preconceived misconceptions. When anybody
>> challenges your ignorance you flame them to death.
>
> Wow, there must be a massive international manhunt on
> for me then. How many, aside from yourself, have died?
Have you counted the participants of c.s.a.a lately?
>> There is no such thing as a "modern Amiga".
>
> Ah, you're actually in denial and not just stupid and ignorant.
One of us is in denial and it's not me.
>> I'm sorry you have no sense of humour.
>
> Yes I do, I now have an AmigaOne XE with 2G of RAM,
> a 256M 128bit ATI Radeon 9250, a 933MHz G4 and am
> looking for a fast controller to add a really fast drive
> instead of this 7200rpm/16M ide I'm using.
>
> I'm going to receive my copy of OS4.1 within the next
> couple of days, that's when the above configuration
> will become very relevant.
I take it back - that's the funniest thing I've read in some time!
> Check here for the reason why:
>
> http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/amigaos41-ars.ars
Things that stand out in that article (things that your rose-tinted
glasses have no doubt filtered out):
"Sadly, these days the Amiga is no longer breaking new ground
technologically."
"At the time of writing, Hyperion is still in the middle of a lawsuit
brought by the company that contracted the development of the OS, Amiga
Incorporated."
"Making matters worse, the original hardware manufacturer, Eyetech, that
produced the AmigaOne and AmigaOne Micro motherboards ran into trouble
when a crucial chip manufacturer (Taiwan-based MAI Logic) went bankrupt.
No new AmigaOne boards are being produced, and while Amiga Inc. has
announced that new, licensed, hardware for OS4 is underway, such
announcements have been mere vapor so far."
"In updating AmigaOS to modern hardware, Hyperion has faced the same
issue that stumped Apple when that company wanted to release Copland...
Hyperion has done the same with the new memory manager they built for OS
4.1: memory protection is there, but the user can't turn it on."
"I was warned, however, that opening too many windows would quickly use
up the limited graphics memory on board my Micro A1's integrated Radeon
7000. In testing, I found that I could open about four or five
applications and an equal number of Workbench windows before video RAM
was exhausted and the OS was forced to juggle between video and main
memory. At this point, moving and dragging windows around became
slightly sluggish."
"Unfortunately, AmigaOS cannot rely solely on JXFS just yet—it requires
an SFS partition to boot from."
"A more pertinent question would be this: is it financially viable to
continue the Amiga platform as a commercial venture?... However, with
Commodore's bankruptcy in 1994, and the subsequent long and drawn-out
battle for the purchase of its assets, many people left the platform...
How many did they sell? Exact numbers aren't known, but they were small:
likely under five thousand units."
> New hardware - updated OS - what else can go right?
Well, you could try to get the facts right for starters. The "new
hardware" is still vapourware.
--
Gary Beeton
anamigan
> anamigan wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:53:42 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>>> Hey, I'm not the one with an award for poor communication skills.
>>> That would be you.
>> Funny then, that you have no trouble understanding me.
> One must learn to comprehend gibberish when trying to converse with you.
Since it is your native tongue, I guess it isn't much of a stretch.
>>> There *is* *no* hardware available. There *are* *no* applications
>>> available. If there were we wouldn't be having this discussion.
>> You must have seen the announcements already, even in boonieville.
>> http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz:8080/amiga
> Still no hardware to run it on and no software to run on it. That
> coupled with its [still] questionable legality makes this announcement a
> real yawner.
The hardware is called SAM and many have been using it for awhile now.
>> Makes AmiWest a "must attend" function this year.
>> I'm going...you gonna show up?
> You paying my way?
You gonna be my roomie?
>>> Because you are constantly putting people on trial. Duh!
>>> You refuse to acknowledge knowledge that differs from
>>> your preconceived misconceptions. When anybody
>>> challenges your ignorance you flame them to death.
>> Wow, there must be a massive international manhunt on
>> for me then. How many, aside from yourself, have died?
> Have you counted the participants of c.s.a.a lately?
FEAR ME!!!
>>> There is no such thing as a "modern Amiga".
>> Ah, you're actually in denial and not just stupid and ignorant.
> One of us is in denial and it's not me.
At least you are now admitting the ignorance part.
No matter how stupid that is.
>>> I'm sorry you have no sense of humour.
>> Yes I do, I now have an AmigaOne XE with 2G of RAM,
>> a 256M 128bit ATI Radeon 9250, a 933MHz G4 and am
>> looking for a fast controller to add a really fast drive
>> instead of this 7200rpm/16M ide I'm using.
>> I'm going to receive my copy of OS4.1 within the next
>> couple of days, that's when the above configuration
>> will become very relevant.
> I take it back - that's the funniest thing I've read in some time!
Why? Just because you hold to the narrow narrow definition that
Amiga was comprised of custom chips and ignore the OS and
how it functioned as proof to back your claims of there not being
a modern Amiga, does not make it fact. Those custom chips and
their integration with the OS have simply been superceded by
the development of GPU's, soundcards and CPU/software
accelerations - work-alike methodology.
I've got pull down/up/sideways screens on my Amiga. I have an LCD
monitor on my Amiga. I use modern peripherals like laser printers,
sata hard drives and DVD writers.
I am also able to use my productivity software in emulation at 10X
the best speed available on a CSPPC/060 equipped Amiga.
>> Check here for the reason why:
>> http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/amigaos41-ars.ars
> Things that stand out in that article (things that your rose-tinted
> glasses have no doubt filtered out):
> "Sadly, these days the Amiga is no longer breaking new ground
> technologically."
A "one step" catchup, multiple processers or a "new" app or even
an old one adapted to the new OS would be all it would take. What
about the FPGA on the new SAM?
> "At the time of writing, Hyperion is still in the middle of a lawsuit
> brought by the company that contracted the development of the
> OS, Amiga Incorporated."
The release of hardware belies a stalemate, probably it signals a
possible
settlement with the details to be worked out in Novermber mediations.
> "Making matters worse, the original hardware manufacturer, Eyetech, that
> produced the AmigaOne and AmigaOne Micro motherboards ran into trouble
> when a crucial chip manufacturer (Taiwan-based MAI Logic) went bankrupt.
> No new AmigaOne boards are being produced, and while Amiga Inc. has
> announced that new, licensed, hardware for OS4 is underway, such
> announcements have been mere vapor so far."
Ack Controls was detailed with providing specs and designs for AInc's
new
offerings but it is thought that that was just so much posturing for the
court
case.
Eyetech however applied for status in the court case lending credence to
the possibility of the assignment of their right to produce hardware to
their
former partner Hyperion and Hyperion's new partner ACube - makers of the
SAM which also doubles as an embedded platform as well as a low end
Next Gen Amiga.
> "In updating AmigaOS to modern hardware, Hyperion has faced the same
> issue that stumped Apple when that company wanted to release Copland...
> Hyperion has done the same with the new memory manager they built for OS
> 4.1: memory protection is there, but the user can't turn it on."
And as always, the Amiga continues to run software in a stable fashion
despite
the lack of memory protection and resource tracking. Efforts are
underway to
move AOS fully into modernity but possibly not on the same track as
other OS's
have travelled. USER in this case does not mean DEVELOPER.
> "I was warned, however, that opening too many windows would quickly use
> up the limited graphics memory on board my Micro A1's integrated Radeon
> 7000. In testing, I found that I could open about four or five
> applications and an equal number of Workbench windows before video RAM
> was exhausted and the OS was forced to juggle between video and main
> memory. At this point, moving and dragging windows around became
> slightly sluggish."
And while the AmigaMicro that Reimer uses may be based on the ATI 7000
32M model the SAM has a mobile processor unit and has 64M of RAM as well
as using DDR main RAM. Anyway, the main use of the Amiga is not to drag
windows around.
Did I mention I now have a working XE model with a 256M ATI Radeon 9250?
Or that the machine has 2G of RAM and a G4 processor with altivec which
several developers are now making use of for their apps as did the Apple
developers when they needed real speed.
> "Unfortunately, AmigaOS cannot rely solely on JXFS just yet—it requires
> an SFS partition to boot from."
Far from being a problem Beeton Troll, I always have several boot
partitions
so that I can visit other iterations of the OS if need be. Much like
Amiga Forever's
ability to boot 1.3, 2.1, 3.1, 3.5 and 3.9.
If the speed of the drive ever becomes a problem, I can throw AOS4.1
wholely
into a recoverable RAMDISK. The main point that we now have a fully
journaled
file system is way more relevant.
> "A more pertinent question would be this: is it financially viable to
> continue the Amiga platform as a commercial venture?... However, with
> Commodore's bankruptcy in 1994, and the subsequent long and drawn-out
> battle for the purchase of its assets, many people left the platform...
> How many did they sell? Exact numbers aren't known, but they were small:
> likely under five thousand units."
I'd estimate fewer than that. It is not how many they sold but how many
of the
new hardware units, SAM, are sold. I'd like to see these entry level
machines
come with a huge bundle of software.
>> New hardware - updated OS - what else can go right?
> Well, you could try to get the facts right for starters. The "new
> hardware" is still vapourware.
On the contrary, it has been in users hands for many many months now.
And OS4.1 runs on it and is being sold for it at this time, that just
doesn't
meet the test for "vapour".
Terry
Gary Beeton
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:02:04 -0600, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> One must learn to comprehend gibberish when trying to converse with you.
>
> Since it is your native tongue, I guess it isn't much of a stretch.
On the contrary. It is a constant struggle trying to wade through your
award winning gobbledegook.
>> Still no hardware to run it on and no software to run on it. That
>> coupled with its [still] questionable legality makes this announcement a
>> real yawner.
>
> The hardware is called SAM and many have been using it for awhile now.
Many people have been using iPhones for a while now too, but you can't
run AOS4 on those either. So far all you have is yet another
unfulfilled promise.
>> You paying my way?
>
> You gonna be my roomie?
Sounds delightful.
>> Have you counted the participants of c.s.a.a lately?
>
> FEAR ME!!!
Don't let it go to your enormous head, Terry. The demise of the Amiga
has had far more to do with the disappearance of Amigans that your
antics have. Nevertheless, you should be proud of your accomplishments
in driving off more than a few!
>> One of us is in denial and it's not me.
>
> At least you are now admitting the ignorance part.
>
> No matter how stupid that is.
I'm not the dope who thinks a 20+ year old dinosaur is "modern".
>> I take it back - that's the funniest thing I've read in some time!
>
> Why? Just because you hold to the narrow narrow definition that
> Amiga was comprised of custom chips and ignore the OS and
> how it functioned as proof to back your claims of there not being
> a modern Amiga, does not make it fact. Those custom chips and
> their integration with the OS have simply been superceded by
> the development of GPU's, soundcards and CPU/software
> accelerations - work-alike methodology.
That's not it at all. Custom chip sets (although advanced for their
day) were - and still are - a serious boat anchor in terms of advancing
the Amiga's development. AOS was written specifically for those custom
chip sets and needs to be seriously hacked in order to use anything
else. In order for AOS to become even remotely "modern" it would need
to be re-written from the ground up. That's what AOS5 (now more than 8
years overdue and counting!) was intended to be.
> I've got pull down/up/sideways screens on my Amiga. I have an LCD
> monitor on my Amiga. I use modern peripherals like laser printers,
> sata hard drives and DVD writers.
>
> I am also able to use my productivity software in emulation at 10X
> the best speed available on a CSPPC/060 equipped Amiga.
Whoop T Do! Let me know when serious photographers, video producers,
graphic artists, businesses, gamers, or even Joes-on-the-street start
using Amigas for something more than just nostalgia.
>> Things that stand out in that article (things that your rose-tinted
>> glasses have no doubt filtered out):
>
>> "Sadly, these days the Amiga is no longer breaking new ground
>> technologically."
>
> A "one step" catchup, multiple processers or a "new" app or even
> an old one adapted to the new OS would be all it would take. What
> about the FPGA on the new SAM?
Catching up isn't exactly "breaking new ground technologically", is it.
And at the rate the Amiga is catching up it will be at least another
10 years before the Amiga reaches 2008 technology levels.
>> "At the time of writing, Hyperion is still in the middle of a lawsuit
>> brought by the company that contracted the development of the
>> OS, Amiga Incorporated."
>
> The release of hardware belies a stalemate, probably it signals a
> possible
> settlement with the details to be worked out in Novermber mediations.
The release of new hardware (should that come to fruition) would only
mean that one of the parties involved continues to ignore the terms of
their contract.
>> "Making matters worse, the original hardware manufacturer, Eyetech, that
>> produced the AmigaOne and AmigaOne Micro motherboards ran into trouble
>> when a crucial chip manufacturer (Taiwan-based MAI Logic) went bankrupt.
>> No new AmigaOne boards are being produced, and while Amiga Inc. has
>> announced that new, licensed, hardware for OS4 is underway, such
>> announcements have been mere vapor so far."
>
> Ack Controls was detailed with providing specs and designs for AInc's
> new
> offerings but it is thought that that was just so much posturing for the
> court
> case.
>
> Eyetech however applied for status in the court case lending credence to
>
> the possibility of the assignment of their right to produce hardware to
> their
> former partner Hyperion and Hyperion's new partner ACube - makers of the
> SAM which also doubles as an embedded platform as well as a low end
> Next Gen Amiga.
All of which is still illegal until the courts decide otherwise.
>> "In updating AmigaOS to modern hardware, Hyperion has faced the same
>> issue that stumped Apple when that company wanted to release Copland...
>> Hyperion has done the same with the new memory manager they built for OS
>> 4.1: memory protection is there, but the user can't turn it on."
>
> And as always, the Amiga continues to run software in a stable fashion
> despite
> the lack of memory protection and resource tracking. Efforts are
> underway to
> move AOS fully into modernity but possibly not on the same track as
> other OS's
> have travelled. USER in this case does not mean DEVELOPER.
You can deny it all you want but you know as well as I that there is a
lot of buggy Amiga software out there, and if any one application goes
down it can easily take the system down with it when your OS doesn't
have memory protection.
>> "I was warned, however, that opening too many windows would quickly use
>> up the limited graphics memory on board my Micro A1's integrated Radeon
>> 7000. In testing, I found that I could open about four or five
>> applications and an equal number of Workbench windows before video RAM
>> was exhausted and the OS was forced to juggle between video and main
>> memory. At this point, moving and dragging windows around became
>> slightly sluggish."
>
> And while the AmigaMicro that Reimer uses may be based on the ATI 7000
> 32M model the SAM has a mobile processor unit and has 64M of RAM as well
> as using DDR main RAM. Anyway, the main use of the Amiga is not to drag
> windows around.
So much for your much-vaunted responsiveness!
> Did I mention I now have a working XE model with a 256M ATI Radeon 9250?
> Or that the machine has 2G of RAM and a G4 processor with altivec which
> several developers are now making use of for their apps as did the Apple
> developers when they needed real speed.
So much for your much-vaunted small footprint!
>> "Unfortunately, AmigaOS cannot rely solely on JXFS just yet—it requires
>> an SFS partition to boot from."
>
> Far from being a problem Beeton Troll, I always have several boot
> partitions
> so that I can visit other iterations of the OS if need be. Much like
> Amiga Forever's
> ability to boot 1.3, 2.1, 3.1, 3.5 and 3.9.
>
> If the speed of the drive ever becomes a problem, I can throw AOS4.1
> wholely
> into a recoverable RAMDISK. The main point that we now have a fully
> journaled
> file system is way more relevant.
You are missing the point. If any of your buggy applications go south
and take the system down with it (due to lack of memory protection) then
your boot partition can become corrupted because the OS itself cannot
run on a fully journaled file system.
>> "A more pertinent question would be this: is it financially viable to
>> continue the Amiga platform as a commercial venture?... However, with
>> Commodore's bankruptcy in 1994, and the subsequent long and drawn-out
>> battle for the purchase of its assets, many people left the platform...
>> How many did they sell? Exact numbers aren't known, but they were small:
>> likely under five thousand units."
>
> I'd estimate fewer than that. It is not how many they sold but how many
> of the
> new hardware units, SAM, are sold. I'd like to see these entry level
> machines
> come with a huge bundle of software.
And who, exactly, is going to write this "huge bundle of software" when
the potential return on investment is so tiny??
>> Well, you could try to get the facts right for starters. The "new
>> hardware" is still vapourware.
>
> On the contrary, it has been in users hands for many many months now.
> And OS4.1 runs on it and is being sold for it at this time, that just
> doesn't meet the test for "vapour".
Perhaps you should write to aCube and the Arse Technica reviewer and
tell them that they got their information wrong.
--
Gary Beeton