What exactly is the "state" of Amiga
Perry Kivolowitz
technologies?
I am confused because I go to amiga.com and all I see are games. I hear
snatches about hardware vendors but find they're mostly vapor. I hear
snatches about the OS being actively developed but by whom?
What "new" technology, hardware, software, etc. can someone actually buy?
Thank you
Goblin
proprietary emulation package (complete with games/roms) thats called
Amiga forever or something similar. There is the Catweasel floppy
controller which allows reading of Amiga disks, the UAE project for
Windows/Linux (Amiga emulation) and an OS called AROS which is currently
in alpha/beta....
I presume there are proprietary firms still making some software for it
and there is a whole host of packages/games being written by the Amiga
hobbyist. Please anyone add to this.
I hope this helps a little.
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"Perry Kivolowitz" <per...@itis.com> wrote
> Can someone summarize the actual state of "official" Amiga products and
> technologies?
Can't help you there other than to say that Commodore was bankrupt in 1992
(they declared bankruptcy in 1994) and nothing new has really happened since
then.
> I am confused because I go to amiga.com and all I see are games
Confusion is understandable, whoever owns "amiga.com" seems to have no
concept of what the Amiga was and even less concept of what computers are
used for. Kind of like Commodore. No, exactly like Commodore.
> What "new" technology, hardware, software, etc. can someone actually buy?
Like there'll really be a day when one can go to a retail store (as one can
go to
an Apple store) and sit down and evaluate something called an 'Amiga'.
> Thank you
No Perry, thank you, you were one of the people that understood the
potential of
the Amiga back in the early days.
anamigan
> Can someone summarize the actual state of "official" Amiga products and
> technologies?
> What "new" technology, hardware, software, etc. can someone actually buy?
It's hard to say what to your questions.
I run an AmigaXEa G4@933MHz/2G/ati9250 with OS4.1. A lot of people
however
dispute that this is an Amiga because it doesn't have the custom chips
or
the "Amiga Inc." branding or blessing. Do you know any of the AmigaOne
history?
There are several articles on arstechnica about the 4.0/4.1 operating
system
by Jeremy Reimer.
Currently, you can buy a SAM in several flavors with or without slots.
Hyperion Entertainment is doing the OS development and ACube is doing
the hardware. AmigaInc remains a laughingstock.
http://amigaworld.net will get you all the url's and references you
might want.
UseNet is going offline slowly but surely and it appears the great
archives of
early net knowledge are being curtailed possibly to be sold for access
fees
in the future.
Terry
Gary Beeton
> Hyperion Entertainment is doing the OS development and ACube is doing
> the hardware. AmigaInc remains a laughingstock.
Given their rate of development they're all laughingstocks.
--
Gary Beeton
anamigan
> fumigant wrote:
Good added information Beeton Troll.
Terry
Gary Beeton
Just setting the record straight, Trollboy. After all, we wouldn't want
to give Perry the misunderstanding that ACube and Hyperion are in any
way competent, would we?
--
Gary Beeton
anamigan
>>> fumigant wrote:
Amiga news this week Beeton Troll:
MorphOs hits mac mini.
Hyperion gets all AmigaOS rights.
Piece of non Vulcan TV Logik - no barriers to making a one
step move to any hardware that is available - I'd like a
cell phone based on 4.1.
Terry
Gary Beeton
Just another Two Weeks (TM), right Terry? I have no doubt you can hold
your breath that long.
--
Gary Beeton
William -Cryo- Coldwell
Oh Perry, you make me laugh, even after all of these years.
~Cryo
anamigan
> On 2009-07-14 17:38:16 -0400, Perry Kivolowitz said:
>> Can someone summarize the actual state of "official" Amiga products and
>> technologies?
>> I am confused because I go to amiga.com and all I see are games. I hear
>> snatches about hardware vendors but find they're mostly vapor. I hear
>> snatches about the OS being actively developed but by whom?
>> What "new" technology, hardware, software, etc. can someone actually buy?
> Oh Perry, you make me laugh, even after all of these years.
Latest news is http://a-eon.com/4.html and http://a-eon.com/6.html
Hyperion now does OS4.1 and ACube produces the SAM and SAM-flex boards.
http://amigaworld.net is a good starting source for news and
information.
Terry
Gary Beeton
And what is the status of AOS5?
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milt
The same state as 8-track, Betamax, VHS and HD-DVD. Dead.
anamigan
Oh well, just like Beeton Troll to slide sideways and avoid commenting
on
the topic to hand. What possible reason can you have for asking about
AOS5, an Amiga Inc. creation, in the context of current ACube hardware
and soon to be released Hyperion hardware?
Terry
Gary Beeton
Just like TerryTroll to dodge the fact that AOS4 was only ever intended
to be a band-aid hack-job to tide things over until they had a chance to
do a complete and badly needed re-write of the OS to bring the Amiga
into the late '90s. Sadly that is something we are still waiting for.
--
Gary Beeton
anamigan
When you say "we" Beeton Troll, you don't mean other people than
yourself, right?
You don't ever plan to buy an NG Amiga incarnation do you?
OS4 is the ppc native version of the current AmigaOS. You must mean the
ethereal re-write to hit the nebulous target of a modern OS where you
can
have the shifting targets of various "features" included in massive
commercial
efforts employing thousands of developers and programmers or in the
alternative
free geek OS also having potentially thousands of developers and
programmers.
As if there is only one, single, right way.
The story Beeton Troll is base hardware like ACube's Sam and Sam-flex.
Now Hyperion is going to release a new Amiga, the X1000.
That's the topic of the day. You can bemoan all the false starts, dead
ends
and wandering down the garden path if you want but the Amiga community
is being offered a fresh start with novel new ppc hardware.
Expensive, low number production of what is currently at best a hobby
niche since
it is now 25 years later and the frontiers are far away from where they
were but
as the theme song you assigned me says, "Still Alive".
Terry
Gary Beeton
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:17:03 -0600, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> Just like TerryTroll to dodge the fact that AOS4 was only ever intended
>> to be a band-aid hack-job to tide things over until they had a chance to
>> do a complete and badly needed re-write of the OS to bring the Amiga
>> into the late '90s. Sadly that is something we are still waiting for.
>
> When you say "we" Beeton Troll, you don't mean other people than
> yourself, right?
I mean the Amiga community. In case that term is unfamiliar to you,
those are the people who ostracized you for claiming to be an amigan
while practising just the opposite.
> You don't ever plan to buy an NG Amiga incarnation do you?
I will have a look at it if ever they come out with an Amiga that can
actually do more than the one I have collecting dust in my closet.
Until then, no, I have no intention of flushing my money down the toilet.
> OS4 is the ppc native version of the current AmigaOS. You must mean the
> ethereal re-write to hit the nebulous target of a modern OS where you
> can
> have the shifting targets of various "features" included in massive
> commercial
> efforts employing thousands of developers and programmers or in the
> alternative
> free geek OS also having potentially thousands of developers and
> programmers.
Something in between "thousands of developers and programmers" and the
current situation (ie one guy puttering away during coffee breaks if the
mood strikes) would be fine.
> The story Beeton Troll is base hardware like ACube's Sam and Sam-flex.
>
> Now Hyperion is going to release a new Amiga, the X1000.
>
> That's the topic of the day. You can bemoan all the false starts, dead
> ends
> and wandering down the garden path if you want but the Amiga community
> is being offered a fresh start...
What use is shiny new hardware if its still running the same tire old OS
with no software in sight?
> ...with novel new ppc hardware.
The ultimate in oxymorons!
> Expensive, low number production of what is currently at best a hobby
> niche
So you've finally come out of the closet and admitted that the Amiga is
just a hobby niche and not your "primary platform"! Congratulations.
What's next? You admitting that the Amiga is old and tired??
> since
> it is now 25 years later and the frontiers are far away from where they
> were
Well blow me down!!
> but as the theme song you assigned me says, "Still Alive".
Yup, every bit as alive as any platform can be that has been dead since
the mid '90s and doesn't have a user-base worth speaking about...
(And by the way, I think a more appropriate theme song for you would be
the one from the Wizard of Oz where the scarecrow speculates how much
easier life would be if he only had a brain.)
--
Gary Beeton
anamigan
> On 20/01/2010 6:50 AM, unoamigan wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:17:03 -0600, Beeton Troll wrote:
>>> Just like TerryTroll to dodge the fact that AOS4 was only ever intended
>>> to be a band-aid hack-job to tide things over until they had a chance to
>>> do a complete and badly needed re-write of the OS to bring the Amiga
>>> into the late '90s. Sadly that is something we are still waiting for.
>> When you say "we" Beeton Troll, you don't mean other people than
>> yourself, right?
> I mean the Amiga community. In case that term is unfamiliar to you,
> those are the people who ostracized you for claiming to be an amigan
> while practising just the opposite.
That would be you then. The un-elected and un-aclaimed speaker
of the Trolls.
>> You don't ever plan to buy an NG Amiga incarnation do you?
> I will have a look at it if ever they come out with an Amiga that can
> actually do more than the one I have collecting dust in my closet.
> Until then, no, I have no intention of flushing my money down the toilet.
Let's see, that already included an 060, an 060/204e, an SE, XE or
microA1 as well as the SAM and SAM-flex and soon the X1000...
because if it is not one thing it is another, face it, you dumped the
Amiga
long ago and like when you were asked to put up or shutup you are
pissed at everyone not following your lead when you called the Amiga
dead.
>> OS4 is the ppc native version of the current AmigaOS. You must mean
>> the ethereal re-write to hit the nebulous target of a modern OS where
>> you can have the shifting targets of various "features" included in
>> massive commercial efforts employing thousands of developers
>> and programmers or in the alternative free geek OS also having
>> potentially thousands of developers and programmers.
> Something in between "thousands of developers and programmers" and the
> current situation (ie one guy puttering away during coffee breaks if the
> mood strikes) would be fine.
There are a good many developers at work on AmigaOS despite
your ad hominem postulations.
>> The story Beeton Troll is base hardware like ACube's Sam and Sam-flex.
>> Now Hyperion is going to release a new Amiga, the X1000.
>> That's the topic of the day. You can bemoan all the false starts,
>> dead ends and wandering down the garden path if you want
>> but the Amiga community is being offered a fresh start...
> What use is shiny new hardware if its still running the same tire old OS
> with no software in sight?
"tire old OS" Gee Beeton Troll, you haven't booted your Amiga since
3.9 have you? Have fun with your credibility stats.
>> ...with novel new ppc hardware.
> The ultimate in oxymorons!
You can't even copy the arguments from MooBunny, how lame is that?
Not that the MooBunny crowd is all that gifted, 10 years ago you might
have had some real debate and facts.
>> Expensive, low number production of what is currently at best a
>> hobby niche
> So you've finally come out of the closet and admitted that the Amiga is
> just a hobby niche and not your "primary platform"! Congratulations.
> What's next? You admitting that the Amiga is old and tired??
Tired, tiring, lame...just what Beeton Troll has become. I've already
posted the Redhouse letter I'm not going to do it all again because
of your lousy memory and useless google skills.
Bottom line, I have a ppc Amiga and OS4.1 and you don't.
You're talking through your hat which is not meant as a euphimism
for your ass, that's everything else you say.
I gave you the current information I had on the state of the Amiga.
YMMV but at least it is there and it wasn't going to get there from
your keyboard Mr. Amiga Advocate - not.
Terry
Gary Beeton
> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:40:25 -0600, Beeton Troll wrote:
>
>> I mean the Amiga community. In case that term is unfamiliar to you,
>> those are the people who ostracized you for claiming to be an amigan
>> while practising just the opposite.
>
> That would be you then.
So you think the Amiga community consists of me and me alone? Does that
also mean you agree that the Amiga community has long since gone to
greener pastures?
>> I will have a look at it if ever they come out with an Amiga that can
>> actually do more than the one I have collecting dust in my closet.
>> Until then, no, I have no intention of flushing my money down the toilet.
>
> Let's see, that already included an 060, an 060/204e, an SE, XE or
> microA1 as well as the SAM and SAM-flex and soon the X1000...
Throw all the marketing mnemonics at it you want. It still can't do
significantly more than my A4000 due to lack of software. I'll grant
you the PPCs can _idle_ faster than my 040...
>> Something in between "thousands of developers and programmers" and the
>> current situation (ie one guy puttering away during coffee breaks if the
>> mood strikes) would be fine.
>
> There are a good many developers at work on AmigaOS despite
> your ad hominem postulations.
Yah sure, TerryTroll. And we all know how little value to place on the
definition of "good" in your topsy-turvy world.
>> What use is shiny new hardware if its still running the same tire old OS
>> with no software in sight?
>
> "tire old OS" Gee Beeton Troll, you haven't booted your Amiga since
> 3.9 have you?
Why, did my Amiga miraculously join the aughties when I wasn't using it?
Get a clue, trollboy, AOS 4 is just AOS3 ported for PPC, nothing more.
You said it yourself, "the frontiers are far away".
>> The ultimate in oxymorons!
>
> You can't even copy the arguments from MooBunny, how lame is that?
> Not that the MooBunny crowd is all that gifted, 10 years ago you might
> have had some real debate and facts.
Do you even know what oxymoron means?
>> So you've finally come out of the closet and admitted that the Amiga is
>> just a hobby niche and not your "primary platform"! Congratulations.
>> What's next? You admitting that the Amiga is old and tired??
>
> Tired, tiring, lame.
Don't worry, Terry, I'm sure that AOS4.2 will been really, really
exciting. Just another 2 week (tm).
> Bottom line, I have a ppc Amiga and OS4.1 and you don't.
Gary: 1
Terry: 0
--
Gary Beeton