History of the Amiga.....being written online
anamigan
It seems that the critics were both right and totally wrong. The
book isn't
written but there is a serialized version being presented online. Go
figure.
Terry
anamigan
Since none of the bright lights inhabiting .advocacy commented I
have to reply to myself:
http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/a-history-of-the-amiga-part-2.ars
Terry
Klokmeester
"anamigan" <m...@wherever.com> wrote in message
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Comment on what?
jorkany
> http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/a-history-of-the-amiga-part-1...
>
> It seems that the critics were both right and totally wrong. The
> book isn't
> written but there is a serialized version being presented online. Go
> figure.
>
> Terry
Well it's about time somebody transcribed "Deathbed Vigil".
anamigan
> On Aug 2, 11:46 pm, "anamigan" <m...@wherever.com> wrote:
>> http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/a-history-of-the-amiga-part-1...
>> It seems that the critics were both right and totally wrong. The
>> book isn't written but there is a serialized version being
>> presented online. Go figure.
> Well it's about time somebody transcribed "Deathbed Vigil".
It's also about time for the story to come out. I think the best
part
might be the comments various parties are making in response to
each installment.
Imagine putting OS/2 up against AmigaOS in the home environment.
Or claiming that OS9 was used for multitasking and that there was
any comparison between it and the hundreds of applications on the
Amiga.
I remember the days when people around here intimated that 4, 8, 16
or 24 megs of RAM were sufficient to run Windows95 as a pre-emptive
multitasking operating system.
Most comments run to the "gosh that brings back memories" type.
Terry
sullivan
> I remember the days when people around here intimated that 4, 8, 16
> or 24 megs of RAM were sufficient to run Windows95 as a pre-emptive
> multitasking operating system.
Still living in the past, Terry? What a shame.
anamigan
I'm doing just fine thanks. This is still comp.sys.amiga.advocacy and
part of
that is all the misperceptions created by pc users trying to measure up
to
the Amiga flavour of the day. They didn't. Not at the prices they
claimed,
not in the configurations they claimed nor in the actual operation of
their
machines.
As for living in the past, well I still use an amiga as my main machine,
it's
just that it is a 渙1 ppc based model. My legacy software runs on it
just
fine at 10X to 20X the speed of an 060 equipped machine through the
emulation of Petunia. My native software collection is growing but not
at the pace set in the early days of the Amiga when the machines and
OS were available.
My current Amiga Peripheral tm is a core2duo for those hard to reach
web pages. I use a Gig sized flash drive to transfer files ala
sneakernet.
This peripheral suns the commercial Windows OS but is stocked only
with free or open software to make it as Amigalike as possible.
Hopefully things will pick up at the end of this court case between
Amiga Inc and Hyperion, in the meantime there's minimig and the
promise of OS4 for classic machines.
Terry
Gary Beeton
Don't be too harsh on poor old Terry, living in the past is all Amiga
users have these days.
--
Gary Beeton
anamigan
> sullivan wrote:
Dear, dear, oh my, Gary, stepping out of your usual "you're not
the advocate I am" role? You are totally wrong of course. We have
lots of 'fresh' things happening; a court case over the ownership
of AOS4, two companies fighting for the code; there's a piece of
new hardware that would match my 渙1 for the role of a base
machine for the OS4 desktop including DDR2 and USB2.0 and
a potential for 'geeking' in its custom FPGA chip; add to that there
is a constant stream of updates to native ppc OS4 software as
well new applications coming online; and don't forget the active
forums and irc channels dedicated to the Amiga as well as the
print magazine Amiga Future.
As annoying as it was I much preferred your "chicken little"
persona to this pathetic attempt at patronizing. Your Vulcan
TV Logik was at least funny and it provided hours of typing
practise. This, however, only highlights your inability to
debate real issues in realistic terms without those crutches.
Join AmigaWorld and visit the forums and channels, you'd
be in your glory seeing each departure as further proof of
your whacky world view and you could spend your free
telling everyone else why they are wasting their time.
Terry
Gary Beeton
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:45:03 GMT, Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> Don't be too harsh on poor old Terry, living in the past is all Amiga
>> users have these days.
>
> Dear, dear, oh my, Gary, stepping out of your usual "you're not
> the advocate I am" role?
The problem is you *are* the advocate that I am. I haven't been one for
many years. You, OTOH, never were one. The difference between you and
I ATM being that you're just too darn stupid to recognize it.
> You are totally wrong of course. We have
> lots of 'fresh' things happening;
Oh boy, I can't wait to see what you consider to be "fresh"...
> a court case over the ownership
> of AOS4, two companies fighting for the code;
Um... In case it has somehow slipped your notice, that in-fighting is a
very *bad* thing as far as the Amiga's welfare is concerned. The loser
of the court case will be crushed into bankruptcy and no matter who
wins, Amiga development will be officially dead and buried. (It's only
unofficial that way now).
> there's a piece of
> new hardware that would match my 渙1 for the role of a base
> machine for the OS4 desktop including DDR2 and USB2.0 and
> a potential for 'geeking' in its custom FPGA chip;
Your 渙1 is an old, slow, pathetic piece of crap. Something that might
match it isn't exactly an exciting prospect.
> add to that there
> is a constant stream of updates to native ppc OS4 software as
> well new applications coming online;
I know it would be impossible to list all of them here, but do you think
you could name just a few of the highlights?
> and don't forget the active
> forums and irc channels dedicated to the Amiga as well as the
> print magazine Amiga Future.
Every little bit helps I suppose.
> As annoying as it was I much preferred your "chicken little"
> persona to this pathetic attempt at patronizing.
That was your persona, remember? I had nothing whatsoever to do with it.
> Your Vulcan
> TV Logik was at least funny and it provided hours of typing
> practise.
With all that practise, it's funny that you never got any better at it.
> This, however, only highlights your inability to
> debate real issues in realistic terms without those crutches.
What a hoot! You haven't lost any of your sense of humour.
> Join AmigaWorld and visit the forums and channels, you'd
> be in your glory seeing each departure as further proof of
> your whacky world view and you could spend your free
> telling everyone else why they are wasting their time.
So people are still abandoning ship right and left? That's sad.
--
Gary Beeton
Daniel Mandic
> Um... In case it has somehow slipped your notice, that in-fighting is
> a very bad thing as far as the Amiga's welfare is concerned. The
> loser of the court case will be crushed into bankruptcy and no matter
> who wins, Amiga development will be officially dead and buried.
> (It's only unofficial that way now).
When you are so high above the other user here, why not open an own
Group, like alt.financialexperts.computers, Mr. (Quasimodo, you)
Tychtchenko, hehe.
> > Join AmigaWorld and visit the forums and channels, you'd be in
> > your glory seeing each departure as further proof of your whacky
> > world view and you could spend your free telling everyone else why
> > they are wasting their time.
I know! AMIGA Society, Acompany est Great!
> So people are still abandoning ship right and left? That's sad.
No, it's fooni .)
Best regards,
Daniel Mandic
Gary Beeton
> Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>> Um... In case it has somehow slipped your notice, that in-fighting is
>> a very bad thing as far as the Amiga's welfare is concerned. The
>> loser of the court case will be crushed into bankruptcy and no matter
>> who wins, Amiga development will be officially dead and buried.
>> (It's only unofficial that way now).
>
> When you are so high above the other user here, why not open an own
> Group, like alt.financialexperts.computers, Mr. (Quasimodo, you)
> Tychtchenko, hehe.
It doesn't take a financial expert to see the blindingly obvious.
>>> Join AmigaWorld and visit the forums and channels, you'd be in
>>> your glory seeing each departure as further proof of your whacky
>>> world view and you could spend your free telling everyone else why
>>> they are wasting their time.
>
> I know! AMIGA Society, Acompany est Great!
Too bad they have nothing interesting to talk about.
>> So people are still abandoning ship right and left? That's sad.
>
> No, it's fooni .)
Try again in English please.
--
Gary Beeton
Daniel Mandic
> > No, it's fooni .)
>
> Try again in English please.
Hi Gary Beeton!
Should I? How would I!?
Can you??
Best regards,
Daniel Mandic
Gary Beeton
> Gary Beeton wrote:
>
>>> No, it's fooni .)
>> Try again in English please.
>
> Hi Gary Beeton!
>
>
> Should I? How would I!?
>
>
> Can you??
Yet another witless troll!
--
Gary Beeton
Daniel Mandic
> Yet another witless troll!
Make it just "a" (one) troll :-))))))) ( why stepping up to 'us', 'we',
etc!?)
No one will hear your fortune, being the hypest anti AMIGA User around.
Best regards,
Daniel Mandic
anamigan
> http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/a-history-of-the-amiga-part-1.ars
> http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/a-history-of-the-amiga-part-2.ars
> http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/a-history-of-the-amiga-part-3.ars
> http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/amiga-history-4-commodore-years.ars
ParI IV - seems to be still coming.
Terry
Quinnum
Nice read. Can't wait for the next part.
I didn't realise how much of an influence Jay Miner was on the early
console scene (i.e. his time at Atari and creating the 2600 and the
400/800)
Unfortunately it is doubtful the rush of those heady days will ever
happen again. Pretty much all the pioneering is work done, the suits
have taken over, and computers are just another business now.
I miss my poor ol' Amiga.
--
You might say the secret ingredient is salt.
Timothy A. Seufert
Quinnum <i....@home.com> wrote:
> I didn't realise how much of an influence Jay Miner was on the early
> console scene (i.e. his time at Atari and creating the 2600 and the
> 400/800)
Many elements of the Amiga's design were second generation versions of
things Jay Miner did for the 400/800. For example, copper lists were
more or less rev 2.0 Atari 8-bit display lists.
--
Tim
Daniel Mandic
started 79 and never matched.... everybody konws the story (yaaaawn)
WELL :-), it continuued, yes ;)? (AMIGA?)
Best regards,
Daniel Mandic
anamigan
http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/amiga-history-part-5.ars
and now:
http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/amiga-history-part-6.ars
Great story....get's better each chapter.
Terry
Bjørnar Bolsøy
Count me in. My main computer is still my 1998 era BX440 Aopen setup.
I'm up to a 1GHz P3, 768MB ram, GeForce4MX and a 300GB disk. I thought
about upgrading it to 1.4GHz and a newer GeForce - thus trippleing my
game performance - but decided it wasn't worth the ebay effort.
It boots WinXP in 15 seconds, does all my work-related stuff, plays my
music and films, my only game - EZQuake - runs along at 300-400fps, my
normal apps, WinUAE Amiga stuff and day-to-day Windows maneuvering fly
on it.
If I jump on the BluRay HD-bandwagon or want to have a shot at some
of the latest games I will surely have to retire it, but for now
I think I'm going to wait until solid state disks are standard issue,
multithreaded software gets off the ground and someone makes a version
of Vista that actually works.
/Regards
Daniel Mandic
> Count me in. My main computer is still my 1998 era BX440 Aopen
> setup. I'm up to a 1GHz P3, 768MB ram, GeForce4MX and a 300GB disk.
> I thought about upgrading it to 1.4GHz and a newer GeForce - thus
> trippleing my game performance - but decided it wasn't worth the
> ebay effort.
Me too.
I can say a GeForce 4200ti does not work with a P2B board by ASUS, due
to the heavy load on the AGP Bus.
A P3B-F should run such a card fine, due to the better current support
on the AGP Bus (newer chips).
However. The Matrox Parhelia AGP4x runs almost perfect in any BX driven
board, IMHO. 26W at full load :), and my P3 at 1083MHz needs about
20Watts :-))). My old chinese PSU 300W is still working, which I have
bought with a Big-Tower ~1998. ASUS P2B-F with a Celeron 700MHz P3 and
a Matrox G450 AGP.
The Parhelia now runs faster in some DX Games (e.g. X-Wing Alliance)
than today 3D Monster. VGA is blazing fast as ever, going with
Matrox... SVGA off course, too. With some colouring problems (e.g.
purple sky in PGA486Golf DOS SVGA) in SVGA unfortunately (the only
compatibility weakness/issue of my PC). VGA/SVGA Games (though the old
one were better on AMIGA. E.g. Eye of the Beholder and many other SSI
titles...) are better than ever before, I would say it is the maximum
(bez. fastest VGA Card, crisp picture -as ever!). :-)
Windows accelerator is also fast and reliabe (as ever :-)). D3D
performance is around GF4ti4200... with a biiiig plus for VGA and
Windows performance to Parhelia and a slight edge in D3D/OpenGL to the
GF4ti. Although, 3D looks grandios on the Parhelia and if you have a
special Monitor you might like to use the 10bit DAC on the GfX Card ;).
Geforce are blurry outwashed picture, as far as I know them. An ATI is
almost the better choice... lesser power -faster, crisper picture.
The fastest for the AGP 1.0 Slot is ATI, however.
I hope I could give you some infos for your mighty system....
> It boots WinXP in 15 seconds, does all my work-related stuff, plays
> my music and films, my only game - EZQuake - runs along at
> 300-400fps, my normal apps, WinUAE Amiga stuff and day-to-day
> Windows maneuvering fly on it.
Off course. Never underestimate the low-latency of older chipsets,
especially the BX. The IDE is too fast to believe, is it? :)
I had built a P3B-F with a P3/800 at 133MHz for a friend of mine. Its
latency was down to 86ns!!! That's faster than any dual-channel 32bit
board. An AMD64 with a 2-2-2-5 RAM does have 45ns... so... (why not two
times faster??? ;-))
Also many animations (which dazzle always on ANY pc) are running
smoother. E.g. 3DMark2000 which runs not at all since GF5 or ATI X1900,
it does not even install. (I guess the Radeon 9800 is a nice choice)
Modern GfX cards need very modern stuff, otherwise you can throw them
away and rather take a G400 or a GF4mx ;-).
> If I jump on the BluRay HD-bandwagon or want to have a shot at some
> of the latest games I will surely have to retire it, but for now
> I think I'm going to wait until solid state disks are standard
> issue, multithreaded software gets off the ground and someone makes
> a version of Vista that actually works.
Wise words.
I'll say the truth. ;-). I have built a new PC with an AMD Barton
1.9GHz (which layed around here for years), ASUS A7V880 (VIA KT880),
ATI X1950X Extreme Edititon and 2x1GB Twin RAM Corsair able to do
2-2-2-6 at 166MHz FSB!
Well, what can it?
As I told before ;-). It's between nowhere and nothing.
WinRAR is still the same speed as on the P3, with 800MHz lesser. DOS is
not possible, also not 9x. Anno1602 Game is cheese, X-Wing Alliance is
slow, Railroad Tycoon II is too fast and so on.
What it does good is using much power. The 520W PSU which I took, is
making serious noises and is breaking the power to the GfX Card
sometimes (connected with the PCI-Express 6pin power-plug to the AGP
Card). Now I have to buy a better and stronger PSU, too.
the benefits are marginal. All I used to do or play with my P3, has
been done satisfying. What I can't say about the other machine.
It's also more dazzling, here and there... well, I'll make it short as
I have babbled alot. The BX makes some smoothness... you can say what
you want.
P3 at 103MHz FSB 786MB Buffalo RAM PC133/Cl.3 Latency 104ns
AMD K7 at 166MHz FSB, 2GB Dual Channel Latency 116ns
> /Regards
Best regards,
Daniel Mandic
Bjørnar Bolsøy
$91ce...@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at:
> Bjørnar Bolsøy wrote:
> Geforce are blurry outwashed picture, as far as I know them. An ATI is
> almost the better choice... lesser power -faster, crisper picture.
>
> The fastest for the AGP 1.0 Slot is ATI, however.
>
> I hope I could give you some infos for your mighty system....
Absolutely. However, although I'm not in a favorable position to
comment on the ATI vs. Nvidia display quality what I will say is that
I find the Nvidias Color Vibrance feature very useful, brought a
whole new life to my old 17" CRT. :)
>> It boots WinXP in 15 seconds, does all my work-related stuff, plays
>> my music and films, my only game - EZQuake - runs along at
>> 300-400fps, my normal apps, WinUAE Amiga stuff and day-to-day
>> Windows maneuvering fly on it.
>
> Off course. Never underestimate the low-latency of older chipsets,
> especially the BX. The IDE is too fast to believe, is it? :)
> I had built a P3B-F with a P3/800 at 133MHz for a friend of mine. Its
> latency was down to 86ns!!! That's faster than any dual-channel 32bit
> board. An AMD64 with a 2-2-2-5 RAM does have 45ns... so... (why not >Z
> two times faster??? ;-))
:)
> Also many animations (which dazzle always on ANY pc) are running
> smoother. E.g. 3DMark2000 which runs not at all since GF5 or ATI
> X1900,
> it does not even install. (I guess the Radeon 9800 is a nice choice)
> Modern GfX cards need very modern stuff, otherwise you can throw them
> away and rather take a G400 or a GF4mx ;-).
Another thing. Not sure if it's related to latency, but drvers maybe:
I play QuakeWorld now and then and on more modern hardware
vertical synch inflicts considerable mouse input lag. This has been
an issue for QW players for years, but on my on my old setup this
is not an issue. Go figure. :) Oh and the most popular QW client
is EZQuake which is still regularly updated.
Vista is the most annoying thing ever? :)
Regards
Bjørnar
Daniel Mandic
> Vista is the most annoying thing ever? :)
>
>
> Regards
> Bjřrnar
Hi Bjrrnar!
I think it's nothing for single core CPU's.
New systems are a risk, too. They might fail, before 2 years have
passed ;-). Also big HD's (1 TB...) are a risk and may fail too fast,
too.
Kind regards,
Daniel Mandic
anamigan
> On 24 Oct 2007 11:56:55 -0800, "anamigan" wrote:
>>> http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/a-history-of-the-amiga-part-1.ars
http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/amiga-history-part-7.ars
There it is - another installment has hit the web...
The Amiga story is being written.
Terry