FTP to Linux?
David
using FTPc?
I FTP to my MacMini okay using the format:
name="Mac Desktop" value="ftp://name:pw...@192.168.0.3//Users/David/"
What format should it be to get into the Linux? and does there need to
be some setting made on the Linux to allow my accessing it?
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Steve Fryatt
<50ba8362...@nomaps.amnops.invalid>:
> Can any kind soul tell me how to FTP to my new LinuxMint-7 machine using
> FTPc?
>
> I FTP to my MacMini okay using the format:
>
> name="Mac Desktop" value="ftp://name:pw...@192.168.0.3//Users/David/"
>
> What format should it be to get into the Linux?
It will depend on the server configuration. The name password and address
bit will be the same (clearly updated for the Linux box's details), but the
path at the end will depend on how you configure the system. If you set the
server up to start in user home directories, for example, there won't be a
path (unless you want to directly access a subdirectory of your home
directory, and so on).
> and does there need to be some setting made on the Linux to allow my
> accessing it?
Almost certainly: I would imagine that you will have to install and
configure an FTP server on the box. Mint seems to be Ubuntu-based, so there
are several options to choose from and installation should be fairly
straight-forward (if Mint really /is/ similar to Ubuntu, you'll find some
very informative HowTos on the Ubuntu site -- I know, because I followed a
couple of them while installing an FTP server recently).
However, it's *well* beyond the remit of this group (or any of the csa.*
groups), so I'll leave you to use Google and ask for further help in a more
appropriate forum. Searching for "Linux Mint FTP Server" turned up a few
promising looking hits for me, and there are several friendly Linux
newsgroups and forums out there. If nothing else, you'll certainly get a
more informed answer than you will here.
Good luck!
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David
> Good luck!
Thanks.
There is no newsgroup for Mint and I hesitate to post to a.o.l.ubuntu
for help and get sworn at. I know quite a few RO users are also into
Linux and considered they probably knew how to FTP to it from the RO
side.
lk
"David" <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote in message
news:50ba8362...@nomaps.amnops.invalid...
I strongly suspect your Linux machine isn't running an ftp server. ftp is
ancient - sftp or scp is probably
more likely. Then again you'll need to allow your RISC machine through the
Linux firewall.
Let us know if you're happy your ftp server is running ok. Surprised your
Mac Mini is allowing ftp to be honest - it's so insecure.
Cheers
Steve Fryatt
> In article <mpro.kt5bft01...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt
> <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > However, it's *well* beyond the remit of this group (or any of the csa.*
> > groups), so I'll leave you to use Google and ask for further help in a
> > more appropriate forum.
>
> There is no newsgroup for Mint and I hesitate to post to a.o.l.ubuntu for
> help and get sworn at. I know quite a few RO users are also into Linux and
> considered they probably knew how to FTP to it from the RO side.
I wasn't suggesting an Ubuntu group. There are plenty of generic Linux
groups out there; for example, uk.comp.os.linux seems to contain more than a
few familiar names for those who have been around these parts for a while,
and the occupants seem happy to answer questions when the poster shows signs
of having tried to help themselves first. That said, so far I've only
lurked there; YMMV; etc.
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> There is no newsgroup for Mint
That's so, but so what? What do you think that
are for?
As to the problem, while Mint may not have a FTP serve installed, it misght
possibly have FTP client capabilities built-in to its file manager (I have
no idea) in the same way that under Windows, Windows Explorer is capable of
talking to FTP sites.
If that's so, or if giving it a FTP client capability is easier than
installing a server, consider putting !FTPs on your RO machine.
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Steve Fryatt
<gemini.kt5iv...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>:
> As to the problem, while Mint may not have a FTP serve installed, it
> misght possibly have FTP client capabilities built-in to its file manager
> (I have no idea) in the same way that under Windows, Windows Explorer is
> capable of talking to FTP sites.
>
> If that's so, or if giving it a FTP client capability is easier than
> installing a server, consider putting !FTPs on your RO machine.
Perhaps better, depending on the intended usage, install the NFS client and
server on the Linux box (locked down to the local network only), and use
Sunfish and Moonfish on the RISC OS end to communicate with them (with
Moonfish similarly restricted). That way, you get the benefits of a proper
filing system for accessing files.
David
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
wrote:
> David <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> > There is no newsgroup for Mint
> That's so, but so what? What do you think that
> are for?
Confusion?
I've read through several of the threads there and come away even more
convinced that Linux-speak is, like the Linux system itself, designed
specifically to induce premature dementia.
> As to the problem, while Mint may not have a FTP serve installed, it
> misght possibly have FTP client capabilities built-in to its file
> manager (I have no idea) in the same way that under Windows, Windows
> Explorer is capable of talking to FTP sites.
> If that's so, or if giving it a FTP client capability is easier than
> installing a server, consider putting !FTPs on your RO machine.
I've got !FTPs. I spent ages trying to get my MacMini to FTP to my RPC
without any success whatsoever. The converse (FTPing to the Mac) works
like a dream, though, which was why I thought FTPing to the Mint might
also be a good idea.
However, FTPs does work to some extent: There seems to be no FTP
application in the Mint installation; Firefox will FTP to my RPC
anonymous address ('Public' directory) in which there resides 3 files
and a directory containing a further 7 files but it only seems to see
the directory and won't do anything with it.
David
> http://www.cp15.org/internet/
The aim is to exchange files easily between my RPC, my MacMini, My
LinuxMint, and my wife's MacMini (or whatever she'll soon replace it
with).
If NFS is as easy to use as I find FTPc on RPC to/from the Macs, then
that would be okay.
No doubt Sunfish and Moonfish on the RPC will be relatively easy to
download, set up, and run but I cannot for the life of me find how to
get an NFS client and server on the LinuxMint, or where such beasts
actually exist in some sort of downloadable form.
John Sandford
David <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
> The aim is to exchange files easily between my RPC, my MacMini, My
> LinuxMint, and my wife's MacMini (or whatever she'll soon replace it
> with).
use network attached storage, some have an interface that uses a mac
protocol and all do samba/cifs so will work with your rpc/linux.
> If NFS is as easy to use as I find FTPc on RPC to/from the Macs, then
> that would be okay.
> No doubt Sunfish and Moonfish on the RPC will be relatively easy to
> download, set up, and run but I cannot for the life of me find how to
> get an NFS client and server on the LinuxMint, or where such beasts
> actually exist in some sort of downloadable form.
John
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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> In article <gemini.kt5iv...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
> Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
> wrote:
> > David <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > There is no newsgroup for Mint
>
> > That's so, but so what? What do you think that
>
> > http://forums.linuxmint.com
>
> > are for?
>
> Confusion?
>
> I've read through several of the threads there and come away even more
> convinced that Linux-speak is, like the Linux system itself, designed
> specifically to induce premature dementia.
Don'y you think that a Mint newsgroup would have the same problem?
Have you tried asking your FTP question on the forums?
My experience with Mint is very small; there's a Mint live CD here, and it's
been booted only once. I quite liked the look (on the website) and the idea
of a small and simple system.
But I did also notice that the Mint team were Mintifying various things, eg
do they not have their own version of a package manager - and perhaps that
means it only installs things that are packaged suitably? If so, maybe
there isn't an FTP app that is designed to fit into Mint.
> I've got !FTPs. I spent ages trying to get my MacMini to FTP to my RPC
> without any success whatsoever.
Did you ask for help? It's been ages since I used FTPs, and IIRC it was a
bit sparse on documentation. But I'm sure there was some inidcation of what
it was doing in a log file. No indication would itself be a useful clue...
When my RPC suddenly went very flakey I sued FTP to copy all its data to a
Windows machine, but I ended up using a PD FTP server on windows to do it,
though I can't quite remember why.
David
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
wrote:
> David <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <gemini.kt5iv...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
> > Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> > <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
> > > David <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > > There is no newsgroup for Mint
> >
> > > That's so, but so what? What do you think that
> >
> > > http://forums.linuxmint.com
> >
> > > are for?
> >
> > Confusion?
> >
> > I've read through several of the threads there and come away even
> > more convinced that Linux-speak is, like the Linux system itself,
> > designed specifically to induce premature dementia.
> Don'y you think that a Mint newsgroup would have the same problem?
> Have you tried asking your FTP question on the forums?
Not yet. As I said, I've read the fora and it appears that questions
aren't answered in ways which make clear such things as precisely
what's needed, where to find it, how to get it on to one's computer and
running.
I was hoping for a RO user who's gone through the process and knows
just what to do and how to describe it to another RO user who's totally
flummoxed by Linux.
> My experience with Mint is very small; there's a Mint live CD here,
> and it's been booted only once. I quite liked the look (on the
> website) and the idea of a small and simple system.
> But I did also notice that the Mint team were Mintifying various
> things, eg do they not have their own version of a package manager -
> and perhaps that means it only installs things that are packaged
> suitably? If so, maybe there isn't an FTP app that is designed to
> fit into Mint.
I've been running up against brick walls here. There is this wonderful
beast called the "software portal" which allows you to specify which
Mint version you're running, browse by category or search by name, and
"choose an application, click on its 'Install Now' button and
mintinstall will take care of the rest."
Unfortunately, when you access this site with Firefox (which the
initial format of Firefox invites you to do) and click on the "Install
Now" button, you're told it's a Tar archive. Then you find out that the
archive type isn't supported in the Archive manager.
It's a bit of a nightmare for a Linux newbie like me.
Fortunately (after a significant amount of hair loss), searching
through all the installed applications and trying likely ones, revealed
that mintinstall accessed the app I was after (gFTP) differently and
installed with no bother.
I seem to have got it connecting as it reports
215 UNIX type: RISC OS FTPs server.
It then states that it is "loading directory listing / from server" but
it doesn't actually list; it then states "Entering Passive Mode
(83,75,28,98,20,4)."
And that's it. I can't seem to get any further than that at the moment.
> > I've got !FTPs. I spent ages trying to get my MacMini to FTP to my
> > RPC without any success whatsoever.
> Did you ask for help? It's been ages since I used FTPs, and IIRC it
> was a bit sparse on documentation. But I'm sure there was some
> inidcation of what it was doing in a log file. No indication would
> itself be a useful clue...
Yes, I did at the time. It wasn't so important to get it working,
though, as FTPing from the RPC sufficed adequately.
> When my RPC suddenly went very flakey I sued FTP to copy all its data
> to a Windows machine, but I ended up using a PD FTP server on windows
> to do it, though I can't quite remember why.
FTPing from the RPC will be preferable. In fact, it might be a
necessity as I make extensive use of !raFS for long filenames on my
RO3.7 machine. By using FTPc, I can drag directly to or from raFS
diectories. I'm not certain if I'll be able to FTP directly into them,
and FTPing into the ordinary filing system will cause all sorts of
problems with file names.
David
<fornew...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> In message <50baaf96...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> David
> <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> [snip]
> > The aim is to exchange files easily between my RPC, my MacMini, My
> > LinuxMint, and my wife's MacMini (or whatever she'll soon replace
> > it with).
> use network attached storage, some have an interface that uses a mac
> protocol and all do samba/cifs so will work with your rpc/linux.
But if I understand you aright, this would not only mean buying such a
device but also buying a new router which seems a bit overkill for what
should be a fairly simple task.
Theo Markettos
> Not yet. As I said, I've read the fora and it appears that questions
> aren't answered in ways which make clear such things as precisely
> what's needed, where to find it, how to get it on to one's computer and
> running.
I would persevere, asking lots of supplementary questions if necessary.
Often in technical fora the respondents have no idea of the knowledge of the
questioner. So you might get a pithy answer (as you might here), but need
to ask for it to be unpacked. Don't be afraid of that, everyone starts at
the beginning when learning something new.
> I was hoping for a RO user who's gone through the process and knows
> just what to do and how to describe it to another RO user who's totally
> flummoxed by Linux.
The difficulty is that you need to find a RO user who uses Mint. Those of
us who use other versions of Linux can try to help, but it's a bit like
trying to explain by telephone how a deliver a baby horse, when the person
on the other end is standing in front of a zebra. Things are roughly
similar, but we can't be sure of the specifics.
Theo
John Sandford
David <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> In article <23bfc7b...@binit.thesandfords.me.uk>, John Sandford
> <fornew...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> In message <50baaf96...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> David
>> <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
>>
> But if I understand you aright, this would not only mean buying such a
> device but also buying a new router which seems a bit overkill for what
> should be a fairly simple task.
Yes you would have to buy a nas unit, but why a new router ? if you
have no ports left on your router just get a 5 port switch, these are
very cheap.
apart from being very easy to transfer data you get lots of disc space
to use,access from external locations to your data,media streaming.
David
<fornew...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> In message <50bacb17...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> David
> <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <23bfc7b...@binit.thesandfords.me.uk>, John Sandford
> > <fornew...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >> In message <50baaf96...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> David
> >> <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> [snip]
> >>
> > But if I understand you aright, this would not only mean buying
> > such a device but also buying a new router which seems a bit
> > overkill for what should be a fairly simple task.
> Yes you would have to buy a nas unit, but why a new router ? if you
> have no ports left on your router just get a 5 port switch, these are
> very cheap. apart from being very easy to transfer data you get lots
> of disc space to use,access from external locations to your
> data,media streaming.
I don't know what a 5 port switch is but as the router only has 4 ports
it presumably means that not all the computers would have access at the
same time.
Anyway, that route would surely add further complexity as well as cost?
And, as I don't think I need any of the other advantages you claim for
it - useful as they undoubtedly are if needed, it would seem the
equivalent of buying a helicopter to get me across a 3-foot stream.
Thanks for the thought, though.
John Williams (News)
David <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> I don't know what a 5 port switch is but as the router only has 4 ports
> it presumably means that not all the computers would have access at the
> same time.
It works effectively like a 5-way extension lead for your router. It plugs
into one of your existing ports, thus using one up, but gives you 5 more,
an effective overall benefit of 4 extra ports.
Thus you can increase your wired network to accommodate 8 computers/devices.
John
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David
<theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> David <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> > Not yet. As I said, I've read the fora and it appears that
> > questions aren't answered in ways which make clear such things as
> > precisely what's needed, where to find it, how to get it on to
> > one's computer and running.
> I would persevere, asking lots of supplementary questions if
> necessary. Often in technical fora the respondents have no idea of
> the knowledge of the questioner. So you might get a pithy answer (as
> you might here), but need to ask for it to be unpacked. Don't be
> afraid of that, everyone starts at the beginning when learning
> something new.
Too true! When it comes to Linux, I feel as though I should be back in
primary school.
> > I was hoping for a RO user who's gone through the process and knows
> > just what to do and how to describe it to another RO user who's
> > totally flummoxed by Linux.
> The difficulty is that you need to find a RO user who uses Mint.
> Those of us who use other versions of Linux can try to help, but it's
> a bit like trying to explain by telephone how a deliver a baby horse,
> when the person on the other end is standing in front of a zebra.
> Things are roughly similar, but we can't be sure of the specifics.
I see the problem you've highlighted but I understood that many of
these Linuxes were essentially the same under the bonnet - Mint is
supposedly much the same as Ubuntu but tarted up to work straight out
of the box and look more like Windows.
I've installed Mint because I tried several versions of Ubuntu (and
Xubuntu) and failed even to get Flash working in Firefox or play MP3s.
But if someone's managed to do the job in, say, Ubuntu, their
experience and knowledge could well be enough to help me succeed.
David
<UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <50bb0e0c...@nomaps.amnops.invalid>, David
> <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> > I don't know what a 5 port switch is but as the router only has 4
> > ports it presumably means that not all the computers would have
> > access at the same time.
> It works effectively like a 5-way extension lead for your router. It
> plugs into one of your existing ports, thus using one up, but gives
> you 5 more, an effective overall benefit of 4 extra ports.
> Thus you can increase your wired network to accommodate 8
> computers/devices.
But presumably 5 of them have to share a single port on the router and
thus be seen as a single device by the router? Is there a speed hit?
John Williams (News)
David <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> > Thus you can increase your wired network to accommodate 8
> > computers/devices.
Should have inserted 'easily' after 'can'.
> But presumably 5 of them have to share a single port on the router and
> thus be seen as a single device by the router? Is there a speed hit?
But that router is seen as a single device by the internet - is there a
speed hit having 4 ports?
I haven't the faintest idea. Practically I often find it difficult to use 2
computers at the same time - eight would be well beyond my capabilities!
Best wishes,
Derek.Moody
Your simple search is for ftpd
Pure is probably OK on Mint and would be relatively easy to set up. If you
don't like manual configuration there is (I've never used it) a graphical
Pure-admin front end.
At a first glance Mint is an attempt to clean up some of the aspects of
Ubuntu that concern experienced sysops. For in-house use behind a firewall
there would appear to be little advantage (for a linux beginner) over using
Ubuntu. This is not a considered review, just a snap opinion.
For absolute ease of use from the beginner -user- pov Puppy is hard to beat
but I'd hesitate to suggest it to a novice -server manager-, after a week or
two on Ubuntu the switch would be straightforward.
Your first steps with any flavour of linux are steep but once you have
mastered one of the common text editors and perhaps a dozen command-line
commands (you can get an awful long way with just help, li, whereis, man and
apropos) then nearly all are open to you.
Hth. Cheerio,
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>> derek...@clara.net
Ollie Clark
> In article <50bb0f1f...@tiscali.co.uk>, John Williams (News)
><UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <50bb0e0c...@nomaps.amnops.invalid>, David
>> <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > I don't know what a 5 port switch is but as the router only has 4
>> > ports it presumably means that not all the computers would have
>> > access at the same time.
>
>> It works effectively like a 5-way extension lead for your router. It
>> plugs into one of your existing ports, thus using one up, but gives
>> you 5 more, an effective overall benefit of 4 extra ports.
>
>> Thus you can increase your wired network to accommodate 8
>> computers/devices.
>
> But presumably 5 of them have to share a single port on the router and
> thus be seen as a single device by the router?
No, they're seen as seperate devices.
Your router actually has a switch built in to it to provide its ports.
> Is there a speed hit?
Well, all the devices connected to the switch would share the port the
switch is connected to so if more than one is communicating with
things connected directly to the router there might be. You won't really
notice it in normal use though. How many times are you using two
computers to connect to two other computers at the same time?
Cheers,
Ollie
David
Derek.Moody <derek...@clara.net> wrote:
> Your simple search is for ftpd
> Pure is probably OK on Mint and would be relatively easy to set up.
> If you don't like manual configuration there is (I've never used it)
> a graphical Pure-admin front end.
Yes, I've found pure-ftpd and actually managed to download and
dearchive it :-)) - then my problems start :-((
Trying to follow the installation instructions presents a problem at
the "make install" point as it cannot create some regular files because
"Permission denied". I assume from this that the installation wasn't
successful. It's beyond me to know just what's wrong and how to fix it.
This sort of thing is technical stuff and it's something the ordinary
user shouldn't have to bother about.
> At a first glance Mint is an attempt to clean up some of the aspects
> of Ubuntu that concern experienced sysops. For in-house use behind a
> firewall there would appear to be little advantage (for a linux
> beginner) over using Ubuntu. This is not a considered review, just a
> snap opinion.
I'm using (!) Mint because, as I said, I installed several versions of
Ubuntu which singularly failed to download necessary stuff. Mint has
behaved almost impeccably in that respect with the automatic downloads
and installs.
I'm not sure I don't prefer the GUI on Ubuntu but there's not a lot in
it. As for what's underneath - I've no idea!
> For absolute ease of use from the beginner -user- pov Puppy is hard
> to beat but I'd hesitate to suggest it to a novice -server manager-,
> after a week or two on Ubuntu the switch would be straightforward.
> Your first steps with any flavour of linux are steep but once you
> have mastered one of the common text editors and perhaps a dozen
> command-line commands (you can get an awful long way with just help,
> li, whereis, man and apropos) then nearly all are open to you.
IMO that's the trouble with Linux ATM and it won't become a popular
replacement for Windows or MacOS (or, indeed, RISC OS!) until it gets
fully beyond the need for command line stuff for everyday operation.
But how many command line commands would I have to master to understand
the huge configure, make, & make install listing and see what went
wrong and know what to do about it?
Anyway, thanks for your help.
Dave Symes
Ollie Clark <use...@ollieclark.com> wrote:
> Well, all the devices connected to the switch would share the port the
> switch is connected to so if more than one is communicating with
> things connected directly to the router there might be. You won't really
> notice it in normal use though. How many times are you using two
> computers to connect to two other computers at the same time?
> Cheers,
> Ollie
Hehe! Some of us get very busy at times and think nothing of having four
computers on the go at once... And I don't just mean they are only
running... But I'm working on all four of them... My desk is U shaped with
two on one leg of the U and one on the other leg, I have an office chair
with wheels, and so can shuffle between those three on my desk,
Unfortunately the fourth is in another room so I get up and go to it...
chance for a little leg stretch.
Yes I know I'm mad, but often there's so much to do, and so little time in
which to do it.
Dave
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Derek.Moody
<URL:mailto:nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> In article <ant16114...@strongarm.half-baked-idea.co.uk>,
> Derek.Moody <derek...@clara.net> wrote:
> Yes, I've found pure-ftpd and actually managed to download and
> dearchive it :-)) - then my problems start :-((
>
> Trying to follow the installation instructions presents a problem at
> the "make install" point as it cannot create some regular files because
> "Permission denied". I assume from this that the installation wasn't
> successful. It's beyond me to know just what's wrong and how to fix it.
> This sort of thing is technical stuff and it's something the ordinary
> user shouldn't have to bother about.
Correct.
It looks like you're downloading source and compiling. For most common
applications and standard hardware you should be OK with a standard binary
from a repository. Do you have a package manager? (might be, um, Synaptic,
or just referred to as Add/Remove Applications. There are several
possibles.) If so it should just offer a few lists and look after
dependencies for you.
Hang on ... OK, I've had a quick look at the Mint website and it appears
that something called mintMenu will let you search repositories and install
direct from them.
> > At a first glance Mint is an attempt to clean up some of the aspects
> > of Ubuntu that concern experienced sysops. For in-house use behind a
> > firewall there would appear to be little advantage (for a linux
> > beginner) over using Ubuntu. This is not a considered review, just a
> > snap opinion.
>
> I'm using (!) Mint because, as I said, I installed several versions of
> Ubuntu which singularly failed to download necessary stuff. Mint has
> behaved almost impeccably in that respect with the automatic downloads
> and installs.
I have a Ubuntu box running 8.04, Hardy. Rather out of date but all it does
is run a few local services and it does have Gnome installed. Also Firefox,
with, checks, flash, and Totem seems to run MP3's OK (that was your other Q,
yes?) - I'm not going to grovel round the back and plug in my headphones to
check but it's definitely going through the motions. I'm accessing it
through VNC.
The point is that I've no idea how I installed everything but as a check I
just installed IceBreaker (How sad is that - trying to play a bouncing-ball
arcade game via VNC on a box a whole three feet away?) Just a straight grab
from the repository, not even a reboot.
> I'm not sure I don't prefer the GUI on Ubuntu but there's not a lot in
> it. As for what's underneath - I've no idea!
>
> > For absolute ease of use from the beginner -user- pov Puppy is hard
> > to beat but I'd hesitate to suggest it to a novice -server manager-,
> > after a week or two on Ubuntu the switch would be straightforward.
> IMO that's the trouble with Linux ATM and it won't become a popular
> replacement for Windows or MacOS (or, indeed, RISC OS!) until it gets
> fully beyond the need for command line stuff for everyday operation.
It doesn't. For configuring servers you'll need some sort of text entry on
any platform and the more potent the server the more likely you are to need
a command line.
> But how many command line commands would I have to master to understand
> the huge configure, make, & make install listing and see what went
> wrong and know what to do about it?
No idea. Bin it and grab a binary.
Hmmm, and take a look at Puppy.
OB RISC OS: Ubuntu box is there to serve intranet test copies of perl cgi
scripts prepared on this RiscPC.
Cheerio,
--
>> derek...@clara.net
Ron
"lk" <gofy...@wrong.address.com> wrote:
<snip>
> I strongly suspect your Linux machine isn't running an ftp server. ftp is
> ancient - sftp or scp is probably
> more likely. Then again you'll need to allow your RISC machine through the
> Linux firewall.
>
> Let us know if you're happy your ftp server is running ok. Surprised your
> Mac Mini is allowing ftp to be honest - it's so insecure.
>
> Cheers
>
Mint is a spin-off of Ubuntu Debian so from a terminal type in
apt-get install ftpd
at some stage it will ask your password because of the admin duties
involved.
If you cant find a readme or from the terminal type:
man ftpd or similar.
google should find some help.
I installed ftpd recently on Ubuntu 9.04, and it works well with FTPc.
It does support encryption, but FTPc doesn't.
You will have to edit /etc/ftpd or similar to configure allowed
connections, anonymous or password and so on.
It is not too hard once you find the documentation.
It is worth learning to edit settings generally on Linux (they usually
reside in /etc) as quite a few gui network managers are misbehaving,
including Puppy's.
The sure way to set them is to set them manually.
From a terminal, you could use
sudo nano /etc/exports
for example, to open the nfs exports settings file in a simple editor.
BTW ftpd is much simpler to set up than nfsd
I can look up my Ubuntu machine for more details if you need more help.
Ron M
David
Derek.Moody <derek...@clara.net> wrote:
> In article <50bb2989...@nomaps.amnops.invalid>, David
> <URL:mailto:nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <ant16114...@strongarm.half-baked-idea.co.uk>,
> > Derek.Moody <derek...@clara.net> wrote:
> > Yes, I've found pure-ftpd and actually managed to download and
> > dearchive it :-)) - then my problems start :-((
> >
> > Trying to follow the installation instructions presents a problem
> > at the "make install" point as it cannot create some regular files
> > because "Permission denied". I assume from this that the
> > installation wasn't successful. It's beyond me to know just what's
> > wrong and how to fix it. This sort of thing is technical stuff and
> > it's something the ordinary user shouldn't have to bother about.
> Correct.
> It looks like you're downloading source and compiling. For most
> common applications and standard hardware you should be OK with a
> standard binary from a repository. Do you have a package manager?
> (might be, um, Synaptic, or just referred to as Add/Remove
> Applications. There are several possibles.) If so it should just
> offer a few lists and look after dependencies for you.
> Hang on ... OK, I've had a quick look at the Mint website and it
> appears that something called mintMenu will let you search
> repositories and install direct from them.
Forget Mint. After your last post I decided to give Ubuntu another go
and have managed to get 9.04 installed, get the updates & my video
drivers, install Flash &play BBC iPlayer, play MP3s & do all sorts of
wonderful things :-))))
On finding & installing applications: When I search for possible
applications, I find quite a lot that offer source for compiling but
often fail to find the same apps available for easier installation.
Maybe they're there and I just haven't found them yet?
FTPing is still bugging me. I've got gFTP sort of talking to !FTPs -
that is, I can transfer files from my RPC to the Linux but not vice
versa (for command "STOR /filename" reports "500 Syntax error, command
unrecognized"). And even that is limited to a single directory source
on the RPC; attempting to transfer from a nested directory fails. Nor
can I copy across directories themselves.
Ideally, a server on the Linux, with transfers both ways done by !FTPc
would suit my needs better for reasons I've mentioned in the thread.
Thanks for your time; I'm still persevering...
[Snip rest]
David
Hi Ron,
Thanks for that info. Will give it a go later today when I have time
and hopefully report back success.
Theo Markettos
> > Hi, even Ubuntu 9.04 does not have ftpd installed.
> > Mint is a spin-off of Ubuntu Debian so from a terminal type in
> > apt-get install ftpd
> > at some stage it will ask your password because of the admin duties
> > involved.
I think that should be:
sudo apt-get install ftpd
(if the way to get your password is the same as Ubuntu).
Theo
David
Thanks Theo. It is Ubuntu now (9.04) as I had another go at installing
it and was quite successful this time.
David
I think I installed ftpd okay. I have the BSD System Manager's Manual.
System managers are obviously worth every penny they're paid and then
some! It's complex and doesn't seem to tell you how to actually run
ftpd. Any configuring of it seems hellishly complicated. On the Mac I
just ticked a box in a window and was then able to FTP to it using the
login username and password, accessing all that the particular user
could access - and that is basically what I'm wanting to do here, not
set up a server for many users with differing access rights.
> BTW ftpd is much simpler to set up than nfsd
"Simpler" isn't a term I'd use for it.
> I can look up my Ubuntu machine for more details if you need more
> help.
Thanks for the offer, and for the help so far. I'm desperately in need
of help with this. I can't sort out what is needed from what isn't, nor
how to actually turn the thing on. I tried typing "ftpd" in the
terminal and it told me that "the program 'ftpd' can be found in the
following packages: [etc.]"
There's a lot to be said for graphical front ends! :-)
Ron
David <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
>
> Thanks for the offer, and for the help so far. I'm desperately in need
> of help with this. I can't sort out what is needed from what isn't, nor
> how to actually turn the thing on. I tried typing "ftpd" in the
> terminal and it told me that "the program 'ftpd' can be found in the
> following packages: [etc.]"
>
> There's a lot to be said for graphical front ends! :-)
>
Hi, yes, Ubuntu is generally recommended for new Linux users, and has
no limitations for installing packages.
You can now run the graphic synaptic installer which will enable easy
browsing/searching/installing/removing of packages.
I have looked at my Ubuntu machine and found that I had installed vsftpd
and not ftpd. What I have done may apply loosely to other ftp server so
HTH.
I assume you have the Ubuntu machine metwork settings completed and you
can ping it from another local machine.
After installing vsftpd (very secure ftp server) you may be able to log
in on the local machine with:
ftp local
enter username,password and exit when finished.
You could try logging in from another machine at this stage.
Settings in /etc/vsftpd.conf may be required for write privilages.
Ron M
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> I can transfer files from my RPC to the Linux but not vice versa (for
> command "STOR /filename" reports "500 Syntax error, command
> unrecognized").
Is this down to different characters being valid in filenames in the
different OSes?
Ron
Ron <be...@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
<snip>
> You could try logging in from another machine at this stage.
>
> Settings in /etc/vsftpd.conf may be required for write privilages.
>
> Ron M
>
on the local network is to change these two lines in vsptd.conf to:
local_enable=YES
write_enable=YES
delete the # where needed. Firstly, open a terminal and make a backup
sudo cp /etc/vsftpd.conf /etc/vsftpd.conf.back
From the desktop, you can not save changes to this file but by doing
gksudo gedit /etc/vsftpd.conf
you can now edit *and* save vsftpd.conf in the user friendly gedit.
sudo /etc/init.d/vsftpd reload
will put in place the new configuration. You can use restart here as
well. I think either one or both will do the job.
There is documentation installed and viewable by either using:
man vsftpd.conf
or in the desktop, System>Help and put vsftp into the search bar.
Ron M
David
<be...@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> I think the minimum you need to do for a connection from another
> machine on the local network is to change these two lines in
> vsptd.conf to:
> local_enable=YES write_enable=YES
> delete the # where needed. Firstly, open a terminal and make a backup
> sudo cp /etc/vsftpd.conf /etc/vsftpd.conf.back
> From the desktop, you can not save changes to this file but by doing
> gksudo gedit /etc/vsftpd.conf
> you can now edit *and* save vsftpd.conf in the user friendly gedit.
> sudo /etc/init.d/vsftpd reload
> will put in place the new configuration. You can use restart here as
> well. I think either one or both will do the job.
> There is documentation installed and viewable by either using:
> man vsftpd.conf
> or in the desktop, System>Help and put vsftp into the search bar.
:-)))))))))))))))))
Thanks Ron!!! Works loverly. Virtual pint of Real English Beer winging
its way towards you right now!
My thanks also to the others who've tried to help, and my apologies for
being slow to grasp Linux fundamentals.
News poster
David <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
> I've installed Mint because I tried several versions of Ubuntu (and
> Xubuntu) and failed even to get Flash working in Firefox or play MP3s.
>
> But if someone's managed to do the job in, say, Ubuntu, their
> experience and knowledge could well be enough to help me succeed.
I've installed a variant of Ubuntu on two netbooks with relative ease
using an Ubuntu Live CD (v 8.xx and 9.04) on an Apple Macbook to make
bootable pendrives. In all cases Flash works fine with Firefox 3.xx.
One big difference between Windows/RISC OS and Linux is that you need to
use a package manager to install software rather than downloading a zip
and unpacking the contents into a folder of choice.
Ubuntu has two programs for package management. One is a menu item
Applications -> Add/Remove software and the other is under the System ->
Administration menu option and called Synaptic. Using Synaptic you can
search on package name or description or both and it will show you if
the package is already installed. Using a menu manager utility in Ubuntu
you can add 'shortcuts' to your 'Start' menus for instance your FTP
utility. Using Add/Remove Applications you might want to select 'All
available applications' from pull down menu at the top of the window.
A known problem with Flash playback is that the open source player is
installed instead of the closed source Adobe Flash 10 for x86.
De-installing the opens source player and installing the Adobe player
seems to solve Flash playback problems for some people. FWIW Flash using
the Adobe plugin is quite useable on my 701 EeePC with the CPU running
between 630 and 900MHz.
HTH
Stan
Ron
David <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> :-)))))))))))))))))
>
> Thanks Ron!!! Works loverly. Virtual pint of Real English Beer winging
> its way towards you right now!
>
> My thanks also to the others who've tried to help, and my apologies for
> being slow to grasp Linux fundamentals.
>
Glad it worked, one other tip to make using the terminal a bit easier.
Use the up or down arrow keys to step through previous commands that
have been entered, saves you some typing in commands you repeat often.
Cheers Ron M
Derek.Moody
<URL:mailto:nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> My thanks also to the others who've tried to help, and my apologies for
> being slow to grasp Linux fundamentals.
The fundamental that most find hard to grasp is that between root and users.
The underlying assumption is that the computer will be used by many under
the control of one. Root is the one. Even if you are to be the sole user
you need to keep youself as root and yourself as user distinct. Some
implementations blur the distinction: Ubuntu with sudo (which -does- have
issues, especially for an internet facing machine running servers), Puppy by
assuming root will start with a clean boot every time and others employ
differing schemes.
Take advantage of the discipline: When about to try something potentially
risky set up a new user and experiment there, if truly snarled log out, log
in as root and extinguish the fire from the outside (kill all processes and
delete user.)
In general, Linux user applications are as easy to use as on any other
platform. Root/administration remains the domain of the professional. You
have just set up an FTP server capable of handling many thousands of users
each with differing privileges and capabilities; on the right kit it could
handle them all simultaneously. This is not a user task.
For a very rigid, highly secure, office oriented system take a look at
Fedora. It's the sort of OS that really needs a full time sysop per every
hundred or so machines, after running Ubuntu for a while you should be able
to manage a one unit installation.
For a frightener (you might come back in a year or so if you decide to
become a Linux guru) check Gentoo which assumes you're willing to compile
-everything- to extract maximum bang per buck.
Whichever you use you should find there are options to run just about
everything in a RISC OS friendly manner though you may need to delve into
config files.
Use your Linux box as an intermediary, let it deal directly with the dark
side and pass any real work through to your RISC OS machine which is thereby
insulated.
Cheerio,
--
>> derek...@clara.net
David
<work...@mail.com> wrote:
> In message <50bb0f70...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> David
> <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote: [snip]
> > I've installed Mint because I tried several versions of Ubuntu (and
> > Xubuntu) and failed even to get Flash working in Firefox or play
> > MP3s.
> >
> > But if someone's managed to do the job in, say, Ubuntu, their
> > experience and knowledge could well be enough to help me succeed.
[Snip]
> A known problem with Flash playback is that the open source player is
> installed instead of the closed source Adobe Flash 10 for x86.
> De-installing the opens source player and installing the Adobe player
> seems to solve Flash playback problems for some people. FWIW Flash
> using the Adobe plugin is quite useable on my 701 EeePC with the CPU
> running between 630 and 900MHz. HTH Stan
Since writing the above, I've installed Jaunty again and managed to
install the needed Flash - though it took a couple of attempts before
it worked.
Jaunty has proved so good, and the Ubuntu UI so much nice to use than
Mint's, that I've decided to have another go at installing Karmic on
the partition I had Mint on.
David
Derek.Moody <derek...@clara.net> wrote:
> In article <50bc14c6...@nomaps.amnops.invalid>, David
> <URL:mailto:nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> > My thanks also to the others who've tried to help, and my apologies
> > for being slow to grasp Linux fundamentals.
> The fundamental that most find hard to grasp is that between root and
> users. The underlying assumption is that the computer will be used
> by many under the control of one. Root is the one. Even if you are
> to be the sole user you need to keep youself as root and yourself as
> user distinct. Some implementations blur the distinction: Ubuntu
> with sudo (which -does- have issues, especially for an internet
> facing machine running servers), Puppy by assuming root will start
> with a clean boot every time and others employ differing schemes.
> Take advantage of the discipline: When about to try something
> potentially risky set up a new user and experiment there, if truly
> snarled log out, log in as root and extinguish the fire from the
> outside (kill all processes and delete user.)
I'll try and bear that in mind. Of course this concept is entirely
alien to one who's really dealt only with RISC OS, and lately Mac OS,
as a single user.
> In general, Linux user applications are as easy to use as on any
> other platform. Root/administration remains the domain of the
> professional. You have just set up an FTP server capable of handling
> many thousands of users each with differing privileges and
> capabilities; on the right kit it could handle them all
> simultaneously. This is not a user task.
> For a very rigid, highly secure, office oriented system take a look
> at Fedora. It's the sort of OS that really needs a full time sysop
> per every hundred or so machines, after running Ubuntu for a while
> you should be able to manage a one unit installation.
> For a frightener (you might come back in a year or so if you decide
> to become a Linux guru) check Gentoo which assumes you're willing to
> compile -everything- to extract maximum bang per buck.
You really must have had your tongue firmly in your cheek when you
wrote that! :-)
> Whichever you use you should find there are options to run just about
> everything in a RISC OS friendly manner though you may need to delve
> into config files.
> Use your Linux box as an intermediary, let it deal directly with the
> dark side and pass any real work through to your RISC OS machine
> which is thereby insulated.
Well, next step is RPCEmu - intended as a life-raft seeing as this
machine is getting a bit grey in the whiskers now.
David
lk
"David" <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote in message
news:50bc14c6...@nomaps.amnops.invalid...
Sorry to come back to this but if your Linux box is just behind a router I
would seriously consider disabling ftpd
as soon as you can. ftpd is insecure and as you probably haven't setup a
software firewall on your Linux box
you're very vulnerable to attack from outside here. Bear in mind your
router is almost certainly NAT so will not stop
anything coming in on port 80.
Better safe than sorry - do your ftp'ing - then uninstall ftpd.
David
<gofy...@wrong.address.com> wrote:
> "David" <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote in message
> news:50bc14c6...@nomaps.amnops.invalid...
> >
> > My thanks also to the others who've tried to help, and my apologies
> > for being slow to grasp Linux fundamentals.
> Sorry to come back to this but if your Linux box is just behind a
> router I would seriously consider disabling ftpd as soon as you can.
> ftpd is insecure and as you probably haven't setup a software
> firewall on your Linux box you're very vulnerable to attack from
> outside here. Bear in mind your router is almost certainly NAT so
> will not stop anything coming in on port 80.
> Better safe than sorry - do your ftp'ing - then uninstall ftpd.
Thanks for the warning but I really need to do the odd file transfer
from time to time as I'm working - including such simple things as
copying over a URL from news of mail to view on a capable browser, or
copying text selections from web pages across to my RPC.
What would you suggest for a good firewall setup?
Derek.Moody
<URL:mailto:nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote:
> In article <4b0455e7$0$2493$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk>, lk
> <gofy...@wrong.address.com> wrote:
>
> > "David" <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:50bc14c6...@nomaps.amnops.invalid...
> > >
> > > My thanks also to the others who've tried to help, and my apologies
> > > for being slow to grasp Linux fundamentals.
>
> > Sorry to come back to this but if your Linux box is just behind a
> > router I would seriously consider disabling ftpd as soon as you can.
> > ftpd is insecure and as you probably haven't setup a software
> > firewall on your Linux box you're very vulnerable to attack from
> > outside here. Bear in mind your router is almost certainly NAT so
> > will not stop anything coming in on port 80.
>
> > Better safe than sorry - do your ftp'ing - then uninstall ftpd.
>
> Thanks for the warning but I really need to do the odd file transfer
> from time to time as I'm working - including such simple things as
> copying over a URL from news of mail to view on a capable browser, or
> copying text selections from web pages across to my RPC.
>
> What would you suggest for a good firewall setup?
You should have firestarter in system admin
Read the help files then list just the ip addresses permitted to access the
server.
Cheerio,
--
>> derek...@clara.net
David
> You should have firestarter in system admin
> Read the help files then list just the ip addresses permitted to
> access the server.
Done that. Really nice front end app and great idiot-guide. Even I
understood most of it. :-) The 3 other computers are now whitelisted
and allowed to FTP; hopefully all else is blocked.
Thanks.
Ron
"lk" <gofy...@wrong.address.com> wrote:
> Sorry to come back to this but if your Linux box is just behind a router I
> would seriously consider disabling ftpd
> as soon as you can. ftpd is insecure and as you probably haven't setup a
> software firewall on your Linux box
> you're very vulnerable to attack from outside here. Bear in mind your
> router is almost certainly NAT so will not stop
> anything coming in on port 80.
>
> Better safe than sorry - do your ftp'ing - then uninstall ftpd.
>
But if vsftpd is set not to use anonymous logins how would they?
Ron M
Bryn Evans
> Thanks for the warning but I really need to do the odd file transfer
> from time to time as I'm working - including such simple things as
> copying over a URL from news of mail to view on a capable browser, or
> copying text selections from web pages across to my RPC.
If you only want to swap a few lines of information, why not email
from on machine to the other, via your ISP with different LogIn
and User address for each machine?
(Assuming that your ISP allows the setting up of discrete mail boxes)
[Note to self - I really must get intermachine networking sorted]
--
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|)ryn [vans mail to - Bryn...@bryork.freeuk.com
David
Bryn Evans <d...@a.invalid> wrote:
> In a mad moment - David mumbled :
> > Thanks for the warning but I really need to do the odd file
> > transfer from time to time as I'm working - including such simple
> > things as copying over a URL from news of mail to view on a capable
> > browser, or copying text selections from web pages across to my RPC.
> If you only want to swap a few lines of information, why not email
> from on machine to the other, via your ISP with different LogIn
> and User address for each machine?
> (Assuming that your ISP allows the setting up of discrete mail boxes)
I did that originally between RPC and wife's Mac before we got the FTP
sorted out but it's really too cumbersome for such things as slinging a
URL mentioned in some news post over for a quick look-see in Safari or
Firefox.
> [Note to self - I really must get intermachine networking sorted]
Yes you must! ;-)
lk
"David" <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote in message
> In article <4b0455e7$0$2493$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk>, lk
> <gofy...@wrong.address.com> wrote:
>
>> "David" <nos...@nomaps.amnops.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:50bc14c6...@nomaps.amnops.invalid...
>> >
>> > My thanks also to the others who've tried to help, and my apologies
>> > for being slow to grasp Linux fundamentals.
>
>> Sorry to come back to this but if your Linux box is just behind a
>> router I would seriously consider disabling ftpd as soon as you can.
>> ftpd is insecure and as you probably haven't setup a software
>> firewall on your Linux box you're very vulnerable to attack from
>> outside here. Bear in mind your router is almost certainly NAT so
>> will not stop anything coming in on port 80.
>
>> Better safe than sorry - do your ftp'ing - then uninstall ftpd.
>
> Thanks for the warning but I really need to do the odd file transfer
> from time to time as I'm working - including such simple things as
> copying over a URL from news of mail to view on a capable browser, or
> copying text selections from web pages across to my RPC.
>
> What would you suggest for a good firewall setup?
>
the best if you have the time to learn how to
use it.
I had exactly the same problem when I setup my A5000 as an econet bridge for
my BBC micro network. For some
reason it just refused to talk to my NAS (which itself supports insecure
ftpd). In the end I had to use one of my
"cluster" machines (I run a very primitive supercomputer at home - long
boring story) which has Slackware 7.1
and ftps otherwise I'd never have been able to get files across. Now i
have
the sprow ethernet adapter I can make my Master see my NAS drives so anyone
wanna by an A5000???
I presume there's no more advanced ftp client for RISCOS?