Acorn User CD - Lack Of
Mike Wilson
does contain a lot of interesting items.
I am a little disturbed that there is an announcement that no more AU
CDs will be issued and that, in future, there will be available on the
AU Website for download.
This seems a very practical step to save costs. However there are a
couple of things which trouble me.
1. The is no reduction of the cover price, nor extension of
subscription period.
2. When I re-subscribed I was promised a CD every three months.
3. Presumably non-subscribers will be able to download these CD
images without having contributed to their costs.
I know that Steve and Co at TAU Press need to keep their costs down,
but I do not see why as a subscriber to Acorn User ever since No.1
should have to subsidise those people who are too mean to buy their
own copy.
You can call me a miserable sourold git, but that is how I feel! !
Mike.
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Andy Marks Net
Mike Wilson <mi...@barc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I have just received the October issue of Acorn User which whilst slim
> does contain a lot of interesting items.
> I am a little disturbed that there is an announcement that no more AU
> CDs will be issued and that, in future, there will be available on the
> AU Website for download.
<snip>
> I know that Steve and Co at TAU Press need to keep their costs down,
> but I do not see why as a subscriber to Acorn User ever since No.1
> should have to subsidise those people who are too mean to buy their
> own copy.
> You can call me a miserable sourold git, but that is how I feel! !
Have you actually managed to find it on the website, because I can't? If
anyone has, please let me know where?
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David Bradforth
>anyone has, please let me know where?
be as such]. Do remember that when Acorn User first went to CD based, it was
promised that every month a disc would be uploaded with programs, resources,
etc to support that issue.
I'm extremely disappointed... but it's making me work double hard on the CD for
the second RiscDomain. [the first one will - with very much luck - be with
peoples at the end of the week].
John Cartmell
Andy Marks Net <an...@andy-marks.net> wrote:
> Have you actually managed to find it on the website, because I can't? If
> anyone has, please let me know where?
it's up and running. As far as the justice of it is concerned, I agree;
perhaps there are alternatives - I'll pass on any ideas to Tau Press.
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Steve Fryatt
John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4ab869b...@andy-marks.net>,
> Andy Marks Net <an...@andy-marks.net> wrote:
> > Have you actually managed to find it on the website, because I can't? If
> > anyone has, please let me know where?
> I'm told it will be there soon.
The magazine clearly says "The October CD has already been placed on the
website." Obviously as accurate as last month's Kinetic review...
> I'll put a notice here as soon as I know it's up and running. As far as
> the justice of it is concerned, I agree; perhaps there are alternatives
> - I'll pass on any ideas to Tau Press.
The alternative is to continue issuing the CD as before.
Out of interest, why not put the 'technical articles' into the printed
magazine? I suspect that would make it far more appealing to many, and
their absence is hardly due to there being too much quality material
inside already.
--
Steve Fryatt - Glasgow, Scotland
Paul F. Johnson
In message <20010911134319...@mb-cp.aol.com>
dbpro...@aol.com (David Bradforth) wrote:
> >Have you actually managed to find it on the website, because I can't? If
> >anyone has, please let me know where?
> Nope... and how will this work? Will it be a 120Mb download [taking the
> CD to be as such]. Do remember that when Acorn User first went to CD
> based, it was promised that every month a disc would be uploaded with
> programs, resources, etc to support that issue.
No. It was promised that there would be a CD every three months (which is
what I was contracted to do). This would contain updates, resources,
software, websites and generally things RISC OS related...
> I'm extremely disappointed... but it's making me work double hard on the
> CD for the second RiscDomain. [the first one will - with very much luck -
> be with peoples at the end of the week].
Excellent. Looking forward to it already :-)
TTFN
Paul
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new RiscStation R7500 - now running with the new 50ns upgrade
All opinions expressed are solely mine and do not represent any
other persons or companies.
ROS402dn
> In article <4ab869b...@andy-marks.net>,
> Andy Marks Net <an...@andy-marks.net> wrote:
> > Have you actually managed to find it on the website, because I can't? If
> > anyone has, please let me know where?
> I'm told it will be there soon. I'll put a notice here as soon as I know
> it's up and running. As far as the justice of it is concerned, I agree;
> perhaps there are alternatives - I'll pass on any ideas to Tau Press.
Does this mean that there will be no further cover CDs?
If so then I for one will probably be discontinuing my subscription, the
CDs were pretty much my only reason for continuing to get the magazine.
If they are only available for download then they are totally useless to
me, and I suspect to many others.
I've already subbed to RiscWorld, and was thinking of getting RISC Domain,
only the costs of all the subs was stopping me, but, if AU are
discontinuing the CDs then RISC Domain will get my custom instead.
Darren Northcott
Paul F. Johnson
In message <b5991b84a%ne...@sa-rpc-user.fsnet.co.uk>
ROS402dn <ne...@sa-rpc-user.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > I'm told it will be there soon. I'll put a notice here as soon as I
> > know it's up and running. As far as the justice of it is concerned, I
> > agree; perhaps there are alternatives - I'll pass on any ideas to Tau
> > Press.
>
> Does this mean that there will be no further cover CDs?
Pretty much by the looks of it. I would imagine that there will be
exceptions to this (such as Christmas specials when sponsored by some
organisation or other in return for 50Mb of advertising space....)
> I've already subbed to RiscWorld, and was thinking of getting RISC
> Domain, only the costs of all the subs was stopping me, but, if AU are
> discontinuing the CDs then RISC Domain will get my custom instead.
RiscWorld goes from strength to strength as I hope RiscDomain does as well.
That said, It will take a hell of a lot to beat Archive.
Chris Hughes
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 11 Sep, in message <4ab86fa...@cartmell.demon.co.uk>
> John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <4ab869b...@andy-marks.net>,
> > Andy Marks Net <an...@andy-marks.net> wrote:
> > > Have you actually managed to find it on the website, because I can't? If
> > > anyone has, please let me know where?
> > I'm told it will be there soon.
>
> The magazine clearly says "The October CD has already been placed on the
> website." Obviously as accurate as last month's Kinetic review...
What about the large number of subscribers etc who are *NOT* on the net, or
have email facilities only.
--
Chris Hughes
Nick Boalch
> > The magazine clearly says "The October CD has already been placed on the
> > website." Obviously as accurate as last month's Kinetic review...
>
> What about the large number of subscribers etc who are *NOT* on the net, or
> have email facilities only.
It's possible to access the web by email. As for not being on the net; this
is the 21st century, the age of free internet offers!
Cheers,
Nick
--
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just as history is rushing by.
-- Jerry Adler, "Newsweek", 9 Mar 1988
Richard Watson
wrote:
>
> On 11 Sep 2001, Chris Hughes <ch...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > The magazine clearly says "The October CD has already been placed on
> the
> > > website." Obviously as accurate as last month's Kinetic review...
> >
> > What about the large number of subscribers etc who are *NOT* on the net,
> or
> > have email facilities only.
>
> It's possible to access the web by email. As for not being on the net;
> this
> is the 21st century, the age of free internet offers!
>
When was the last time you had a Risc-OS based free internet offer?
The last time the FSB published figure for those using the internet, only
about 40% of /households/ had a connection (as opposed to access to the net)
- you can't make sensible use of a download if you don't have you're own
computer.
Plus it's going to take a very long time to download it all.
Richard
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Nick Boalch
> > > What about the large number of subscribers etc who are *NOT* on the
> > > net, or have email facilities only.
> >
> > It's possible to access the web by email. As for not being on the net;
> > this is the 21st century, the age of free internet offers!
> >
> and very good coasters they make too!
>
> When was the last time you had a Risc-OS based free internet offer?
Almost all ISPs will work with RISC OS. It's just a matter of extracting the
information from the .ins files on the CDs, or feeding that file into
DialUp. For those whose setup system requires a PC, a phone call usually
suffices.
> The last time the FSB published figure for those using the internet, only
> about 40% of /households/ had a connection (as opposed to access to the
> net) - you can't make sensible use of a download if you don't have you're
> own computer.
Um. If you don't have access to a computer, why are you buying Acorn User?
> Plus it's going to take a very long time to download it all.
Depends on the speed of your connection.
Cheers,
Nick
--
Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort
When you have forgotten your aim.
-- George Santayana, "The Life of Reason"
Richard Watson
wrote:
>
>
> > > > What about the large number of subscribers etc who are *NOT* on the
> > > > net, or have email facilities only.
> > >
> > > It's possible to access the web by email. As for not being on the net;
> > > this is the 21st century, the age of free internet offers!
> > >
> > and very good coasters they make too!
> >
> > When was the last time you had a Risc-OS based free internet offer?
>
> Almost all ISPs will work with RISC OS. It's just a matter of extracting
> the
> information from the .ins files on the CDs, or feeding that file into
> DialUp. For those whose setup system requires a PC, a phone call usually
> suffices.
>
how, do it. As this is an Acorn group, and we are talking about AU, then PC
issues are not really relevant.
> > The last time the FSB published figure for those using the internet,
> only
> > about 40% of /households/ had a connection (as opposed to access to the
> > net) - you can't make sensible use of a download if you don't have
> you're
> > own computer.
>
> Um. If you don't have access to a computer, why are you buying Acorn User?
>
Um - one might not have access to the web, but still have a computer. For
example one may have the internet at work but have an Acorn at home with no
web access - I'd hazzard a guess that that is not uncommon.
> > Plus it's going to take a very long time to download it all.
>
> Depends on the speed of your connection.
>
Which for someone at home, and at the times they wish to use it, is probably
not too good.
Owen Griffin
>On 11 Sep, in message <4ab86fa...@cartmell.demon.co.uk>
> John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <4ab869b...@andy-marks.net>,
>> Andy Marks Net <an...@andy-marks.net> wrote:
>> > Have you actually managed to find it on the website, because I can't? If
>> > anyone has, please let me know where?
>> I'm told it will be there soon.
>
>The magazine clearly says "The October CD has already been placed on the
>website." Obviously as accurate as last month's Kinetic review...
I thought that the Kinetic review was fine. It was nice having a good review
from an ordinary user's perspective.
>> I'll put a notice here as soon as I know it's up and running. As far as
>> the justice of it is concerned, I agree; perhaps there are alternatives
>> - I'll pass on any ideas to Tau Press.
>
>The alternative is to continue issuing the CD as before.
I thought the CD was a load of cods-wallop myself, but if people really
want to download it... The best CD must be the games cd - It was a reason to
dig the A3k out of the cupboard.
[snip]
S.U.B
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Nick Boalch
> > > > > What about the large number of subscribers etc who are *NOT* on the
> > > > > net, or have email facilities only.
> > > >
> > > > It's possible to access the web by email. As for not being on the
> > > > net; this is the 21st century, the age of free internet offers!
> > > >
> > > When was the last time you had a Risc-OS based free internet offer?
> >
> > Almost all ISPs will work with RISC OS. It's just a matter of extracting
> > the information from the .ins files on the CDs, or feeding that file into
> > DialUp. For those whose setup system requires a PC, a phone call usually
> > suffices.
>
> So it isn't exactly straightforward is it - not all users want to, or known
> how, do it. As this is an Acorn group, and we are talking about AU, then PC
> issues are not really relevant.
This has nothing to do with PC issues. If you have a RISC OS computer and
a phone line there is no reason why you cannot be connected to the internet
for no more than local call costs.
If you are unable or unwilling to extract the details of the ISP's setup
from their CDs, then, as I said above, a phone call to their support line
will usually yield quick results.
> > > The last time the FSB published figure for those using the internet,
> > > only about 40% of /households/ had a connection (as opposed to access
> > > to the net) - you can't make sensible use of a download if you don't
> > > have you're own computer.
> >
> > Um. If you don't have access to a computer, why are you buying Acorn
> > User?
>
> Um - one might not have access to the web, but still have a computer. For
> example one may have the internet at work but have an Acorn at home with no
> web access - I'd hazzard a guess that that is not uncommon.
As I've discussed at some length, if you have an Acorn computer there is no
reason why you can't connect it to the internet.
> > > Plus it's going to take a very long time to download it all.
> >
> > Depends on the speed of your connection.
> >
> Which for someone at home, and at the times they wish to use it, is
> probably not too good.
Fair enough. However, you're unlikely to want to download the entire CD image
are you? You'll be more likely to browse it and then fetch the items that
look interesting.
Cheers,
Nick
--
this is the garden:colours come and go,
frail azures fluttering from night's outer wing
-- e e cummings, "Sonnets - Unrealities", IX
The Doctor
Nick Boalch <n...@mit.edu> wrote:
[Snip]
> This has nothing to do with PC issues. If you have a RISC OS computer and
> a phone line there is no reason why you cannot be connected to the internet
> for no more than local call costs.
>
I should point out that you would need to buy a modem which generally
cost about Ł50
Anyone spending Ł50 on a modem will want to get some decent use out of
it, so will therefore need an Email/Newsreader and a web browser.
Add up the cost of these and it will come to at least Ł100
--
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www.thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk
www.themaincontrolroom.freeserve.co.uk
RiscPC running RISC OS 4.04 (Windows no longer required!)
Don and Wendy
>In article <4ab869b...@andy-marks.net>,
> Andy Marks Net <an...@andy-marks.net> wrote:
>> Have you actually managed to find it on the website, because I can't? If
>> anyone has, please let me know where?
>I'm told it will be there soon. I'll put a notice here as soon as I know
>it's up and running. As far as the justice of it is concerned, I agree;
>perhaps there are alternatives - I'll pass on any ideas to Tau Press.
>
Issue subscribers with some sort of username and password, eg page 2, line 4,
word 6? Those who have an annual subscription could have an annual
username/code? The instructions would appear as the title screen to get to
the 'CD' contents. Then you'd either have the magazine to hand or go out and
find (Hopefully buy) one of your own.
Wendy
Pete Bready
Don and Wendy <dand...@freeuk.com> wrote:
> Issue subscribers with some sort of username and password, eg page 2, line 4,
> word 6?
And would we have to mis-spell it to maintain AU's look and feel? ;-)
--
Pete Bready
pbr...@ntlworld.com
Richard Watson
wrote:
>
>
> > > > > > What about the large number of subscribers etc who are *NOT* on
> the
> > > > > > net, or have email facilities only.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's possible to access the web by email. As for not being on the
> > > > > net; this is the 21st century, the age of free internet offers!
> > > > >
> > > > When was the last time you had a Risc-OS based free internet offer?
> > >
> > > Almost all ISPs will work with RISC OS. It's just a matter of
> extracting
> > > the information from the .ins files on the CDs, or feeding that file
> into
> > > DialUp. For those whose setup system requires a PC, a phone call
> usually
> > > suffices.
> >
> > So it isn't exactly straightforward is it - not all users want to, or
> known
> > how, do it. As this is an Acorn group, and we are talking about AU, then
> PC
> > issues are not really relevant.
>
> This has nothing to do with PC issues.
>If you have a RISC OS computer and
> a phone line there is no reason why you cannot be connected to the
> internet
> for no more than local call costs.
>
No modem? To get back the original issue, some have no desire to be on the
web. There may be one line and many computers, and any other number of
reasons why having a CD could be preferred. Certainly, even though I have
web access, if I were a AU reader I would want the CD, just for
conveinience.
> If you are unable or unwilling to extract the details of the ISP's setup
> from their CDs, then, as I said above, a phone call to their support line
> will usually yield quick results.
>
If you're not on the web, for whatever reason, that won't help a lot.
> > > > The last time the FSB published figure for those using the internet,
> > > > only about 40% of /households/ had a connection (as opposed to
> access
> > > > to the net) - you can't make sensible use of a download if you don't
>
> > > > have you're own computer.
> > >
> > > Um. If you don't have access to a computer, why are you buying Acorn
> > > User?
> >
> > Um - one might not have access to the web, but still have a computer.
> For
> > example one may have the internet at work but have an Acorn at home with
> no
> > web access - I'd hazzard a guess that that is not uncommon.
>
> As I've discussed at some length, if you have an Acorn computer there is
> no
> reason why you can't connect it to the internet.
>
But what about those who don't want a connection - that's my original point.
> > > > Plus it's going to take a very long time to download it all.
> > >
> > > Depends on the speed of your connection.
> > >
> > Which for someone at home, and at the times they wish to use it, is
> > probably not too good.
>
> Fair enough. However, you're unlikely to want to download the entire CD
> image
> are you? You'll be more likely to browse it and then fetch the items that
> look interesting.
>
I've made my point, and I realy can't see this debate going anywhere, so I
suggest we agree to disagree and leave it at that.
John Cartmell
<pbr...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> In message <b265fbb84a...@freeuk.com> Don and Wendy
> <dand...@freeuk.com> wrote:
> > Issue subscribers with some sort of username and password, eg page 2,
> > line 4, word 6?
> And would we have to mis-spell it to maintain AU's look and feel? ;-)
Not to access the Graphics Column directories - I hope! ;-)
--
John Cartmell - Manchester, UK
Acorn User Graphics Column
Nick Boalch
> > If you are unable or unwilling to extract the details of the ISP's setup
> > from their CDs, then, as I said above, a phone call to their support line
> > will usually yield quick results.
>
> And some people may not feel confident at installing internet software on
> their machine.
Everyone has to start somewhere and it isn't really /that/ complicated, is
it? !DialUp, for example, takes only a few seconds to install. The ANT
suite doesn't take much longer. I'll admit that freely available software
like Socketeer or ArmTCP can be a little more complex.
> > As I've discussed at some length, if you have an Acorn computer there is
> > no reason why you can't connect it to the internet.
>
> There is. From all the people I help out, I would say that around 80% of
> them would be unable to access the internet without help, or at least
> someone knowledgeable around to watch over them or hold their hand in
> certain places.
Fair enough. However, plenty of literature is available for people taking
their first steps.
Cheers,
Nick
--
i shall imagine life
is not worth dying
-- e e cummings, "95 Poems", No.7
Nick Boalch
> No modem? To get back the original issue, some have no desire to be on the
> web. There may be one line and many computers, and any other number of
> reasons why having a CD could be preferred.
It may be preferable to have a CD to hand -- I'd prefer it myself -- but my
point is that there's no real reason why issuing the contents over the
internet should be a problem for anyone.
> But what about those who don't want a connection - that's my original
> point.
If they don't want a connection then they'll have to do without the cover CD,
won't they? That's their problem, not AU's.
> I've made my point, and I realy can't see this debate going anywhere, so I
> suggest we agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Suits me. Actually, I don't know what I'm doing defending AU :-)
Nick Boalch
> > This has nothing to do with PC issues. If you have a RISC OS computer and
> > a phone line there is no reason why you cannot be connected to the
> > internet for no more than local call costs.
>
> I should point out that you would need to buy a modem which generally
> cost about £50
Yes, that /is/ something I hadn't considered.
> Anyone spending £50 on a modem will want to get some decent use out of
> it, so will therefore need an Email/Newsreader and a web browser.
There are several free email & newsreaders -- the freeware version of
Messenger in my opinion beats many commercial user agents -- but a web
browser would certainly be more of a problem.
Cheers,
Nick
--
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technology that earns frequent flyer miles.
-- D. Waitzman, RFC 2549, "IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service"
mark stephens
Nick Boalch <n...@mit.edu> wrote:
[snip]
> On 13 Sep 2001, Richard Watson <series3...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > No modem? To get back the original issue, some have no desire to be on the
> > web. There may be one line and many computers, and any other number of
> > reasons why having a CD could be preferred.
>
> It may be preferable to have a CD to hand -- I'd prefer it myself -- but my
> point is that there's no real reason why issuing the contents over the
> internet should be a problem for anyone.
>
Except it's not what we paid for. They could put the magazine as pdf pages
on the site and ask us to print them....
It's not a technical matter (IMHO) - it's the fact they have changed what
they do.
MArk
Ben Brook
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> The magazine clearly says "The October CD has already been placed on the
> website." Obviously as accurate as last month's Kinetic review...
I take full responsibility for this mishap. The contents of the CD were
actually on the web server at the beginning of this week but I did not
have an opportunity to link to both CD 14 (July's CD) and CD 15 (the
latest CD) until yesterday evening. This was simply due to a lack of time.
These are now available from http://www.acornuser.com/download.html
I apologise for any inconvenience caused by this and will endeavour to
ensure that this will not happen again in future. If you have any comments
and / or suggestions regarding Acorn User magazine there is now a
web-based form that you may fill in on thw web site. Any comments related
to acornuser.com may either be passed through this form or direct to my
email address: webm...@acornuser.com
Regards
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Richard Walker
The Doctor <thed...@thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <d1b3f0b...@revelstone.dhs.org>
> Nick Boalch <n...@mit.edu> wrote:
>
> > This has nothing to do with PC issues. If you have a RISC OS computer
> > and a phone line there is no reason why you cannot be connected to the
> > internet for no more than local call costs.
>
> I should point out that you would need to buy a modem which generally cost
> about Ł50 Anyone spending Ł50 on a modem will want to get some decent use
> out of it, so will therefore need an Email/Newsreader and a web browser.
> Add up the cost of these and it will come to at least Ł100
This is very true.
Add on the costs of the actual ISP phone calls, and it's super expensive.
And hey, what if people don't *want* to 'get connected'?
It *is* difficult to get a RISC OS machine connected to the Internet,
especially if you also need to sign up for a new account.
In my opinion, this is an area where the dealers do/should help out. A
dealer can recommend what hardware/software is required, and even create the
ISP account. Oh, and provide help to get the software configured. I think
R-Comp do this, and I'm sure people like CJE do...
--
Richard.
"It was twenty years ago today. Sargeant Pepper taught the band to play."
Don and Wendy
>In article <2524bdb...@revelstone.dhs.org>, Nick Boalch <n...@mit.edu>
>wrote:
>>
>> On 11 Sep 2001, Chris Hughes <ch...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > > The magazine clearly says "The October CD has already been placed on
>> the
>> > > website." Obviously as accurate as last month's Kinetic review...
>> >
>> > What about the large number of subscribers etc who are *NOT* on the net,
>> or
>> > have email facilities only.
>>
>> It's possible to access the web by email. As for not being on the net;
>> this
>> is the 21st century, the age of free internet offers!
>>
>and very good coasters they make too!
At work we once started a list '101 things to do with unwanted demo CDs' ;-)
Wendy
Nick Boalch
> > > No modem? To get back the original issue, some have no desire to be on
> > > the web. There may be one line and many computers, and any other number
> > > of reasons why having a CD could be preferred.
> >
> > It may be preferable to have a CD to hand -- I'd prefer it myself -- but
> > my point is that there's no real reason why issuing the contents over
> > the internet should be a problem for anyone.
>
> Except it's not what we paid for.
Oh yes, that complaint is fair enough. AU, as I understand it, promised
cover CDs and is now failing to deliver.
I remain grateful that I stopped subscribing to AU years ago when it stopped
being any good at all.
Cheers,
Nick
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John Williams
Pete Bready <pbr...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > Issue subscribers with some sort of username and password, eg page 2,
> > line 4, word 6?
> And would we have to mis-spell it to maintain AU's look and feel? ;-)
I notice that the current CD has a link 'cridits' which leads to
credits.htm - surely that should be cridits.htm?
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Chris Ward
> There are several free email & newsreaders -- the freeware version of
> Messenger in my opinion beats many commercial user agents -- but a web
> browser would certainly be more of a problem.
>
> Cheers,
> Nick
But you need to be on the Internet to get them, its called catch 22.
I have emailed edi...@acornuser.com and given him my 2ps worth.
If I had known, I would have not piad out for another years subs.
In 30 minutes last nigt I managed a 2% down load of the pc/zio file - which I assume is the entire CD rom.
Or can someone direct me to the 'entire CD' as there are basically no download instruction that I could see.
Chris
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Jess Hampshire
Nick Boalch <n...@mit.edu> wrote:
> On 12 Sep 2001, The Doctor <thed...@thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > This has nothing to do with PC issues. If you have a RISC OS computer and
> > > a phone line there is no reason why you cannot be connected to the
> > > internet for no more than local call costs.
> >
> > I should point out that you would need to buy a modem which generally
> > cost about £50
>
> Yes, that /is/ something I hadn't considered.
>
> > Anyone spending £50 on a modem will want to get some decent use out of
> > it, so will therefore need an Email/Newsreader and a web browser.
>
> There are several free email & newsreaders -- the freeware version of
> Messenger in my opinion beats many commercial user agents -- but a web
> browser would certainly be more of a problem.
lynx is pretty good for browsing well designed sites, hopefully the CD
would be available by FTP allowing FTPc to be used.
However, since they promised CDs, they should not discontinue them until
the current subs expire.
> Cheers,
> Nick
--
Jess
icq 91353267 http://www.kentwebnet.com Using RISC OS 4
Michael Gilbert
<URL:mailto:j...@SPAMnet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <50db3bb94...@ntlworld.com>,
> Pete Bready <pbr...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > > Issue subscribers with some sort of username and password, eg page 2,
> > > line 4, word 6?
>
> > And would we have to mis-spell it to maintain AU's look and feel? ;-)
>
> I notice that the current CD has a link 'cridits' which leads to
> credits.htm - surely that should be cridits.htm?
>
cridibility in the RISC OS world.
(:-)
Cheers
Mike
--
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in his own write
Acorn relics at http://www.eclipse.co.uk/gilberts/archiology
John Cartmell
Ben Brook <benb...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> The contents of the CD were actually on the web server at the beginning
> of this week but I did not have an opportunity to link to both CD 14
> (July's CD) and CD 15 (the latest CD) until yesterday evening. This was
> simply due to a lack of time. These are now available from
> http://www.acornuser.com/download.html
[Snip]
Anyone following the tesselation topic from my Graphics column should have
a look at the Reptile program that is included in the Kudlian directory on
the site.
BTW Contrary to a comment I read earlier the whole site does not need to be
downloaded as one file. If you just want the Reptile file then that's all
you need download.
--
John Cartmell
Acorn User
Steve Fryatt
Chris Ward <chrisward...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <d03759b...@revelstone.dhs.org>, Nick Boalch
>
> > There are several free email & newsreaders -- the freeware version of
> > Messenger in my opinion beats many commercial user agents -- but a web
> > browser would certainly be more of a problem.
>
> But you need to be on the Internet to get them, its called catch 22.
But you don't need them if you're not on the 'net...
--
Steve Fryatt - Glasgow, Scotland
Steve Fryatt
Owen Griffin <oweng...@crosswinds.net> wrote:
> Hi Steve Fryatt,
>
> > The magazine clearly says "The October CD has already been placed on
> > the website." Obviously as accurate as last month's Kinetic review...
>
> I thought that the Kinetic review was fine. It was nice having a good
> review from an ordinary user's perspective.
It did, however, contain several glaring inaccuracies that could have been
spotted if the author had bothered to contact Castle to ask about them
(rather than just assuming). Things like the complaint about the Oregano
demo (the reason is pretty obvious had the author engaged his brain).
Things like the fact that there was no evidence that the sound problems
had been investigated.
AU were clearly worried enough that they re-visited the article this month
to correct some of it. Needlessly negative (and wrong) reviews help
nobody.
> > > I'll put a notice here as soon as I know it's up and running. As far
> > > as the justice of it is concerned, I agree; perhaps there are
> > > alternatives - I'll pass on any ideas to Tau Press.
> >
> >The alternative is to continue issuing the CD as before.
>
> I thought the CD was a load of cods-wallop myself, but if people really
> want to download it... The best CD must be the games cd - It was a
> reason to dig the A3k out of the cupboard.
In the dim and distant past, I remember AU saying that they needed the
cover disc (that's before the CD) to be taken seriously by the likes of
WHSmith. I take it this is no longer the case.
Ned Abell
Michael Gilbert <mgil...@eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4ab978...@SPAMnet.co.uk>, John Williams
> <URL:mailto:j...@SPAMnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <50db3bb94...@ntlworld.com>,
> > Pete Bready <pbr...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Issue subscribers with some sort of username and password, eg page 2,
> > > > line 4, word 6?
> >
> > > And would we have to mis-spell it to maintain AU's look and feel? ;-)
> >
> > I notice that the current CD has a link 'cridits' which leads to
> > credits.htm - surely that should be cridits.htm?
> >
> Or 'cridits.html', which would help maintain a better level of
> cridibility in the RISC OS world.
> (:-)
Is that the New Zealand or "West Island" Edition? :-)
--
besters..
Ned
===
Rob Davison
Ned Abell <neda...@enterprise.net> wrote:
Oooh. Cheeky! ;-)
PS. "Noo Zulund", surely? ;-)
Rob.
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Peter Naulls
Rob Davison <rdav...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> In message <4ab9c154e...@enterprise.net>
> Ned Abell <neda...@enterprise.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <ant13180...@riscpc.local>,
> > Michael Gilbert <mgil...@eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Or 'cridits.html', which would help maintain a better level of
> > > cridibility in the RISC OS world.
> >
> > > (:-)
> >
> > Is that the New Zealand or "West Island" Edition? :-)
>
> Oooh. Cheeky! ;-)
>
> PS. "Noo Zulund", surely? ;-)
For futher comedy value, I can suggest the cookies file in !Fresco
on that CD.
Peter
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John Waddell
from this site, no more that 3.75 to 3.8 Kb per minute. To download the
entire CD would take over 2 hours at this speed. Overnight at cheap rate
this would cost me about £1.50 at around 1.14p per minute.
So it is no longer a free cover CD. Browsing would probably incur
proportionate costs to find and select software for download.
At the very least, we need an item in the magazine detailing what is on the
CD and what it does.
I have resubscribed despite also subscribing to Archive because we are
passing through difficult times and I want a variety of views about where
our platform is going. I have been standing on the edge of the abyss,
sorely tempted to jump into William's arms because of frustrations in
accessing the web and lack of compatability with my office based systems.
If I get the promised laptop for home working, then with the purchase of a
switch, I will have the best of both worlds!
Anyway, the point is that the decision to produce (this month) a 60 page
magazine with around 30 pages of advertising, much of it repetitive in terms
of what is available, for even the subscription price, then to do away with
the cover CD, is not the action of a customer orientated organisation.
I cannot recall whether I responded to the customer survey but if it had
been pointed out that it would take at least a couple of hours to download
the CD, I would not have been supportive of the current state of affairs.
CDs hold, what?, 600Mb plus. This months production has 31Mb. Begs
interesting questions. At this rate, even an annual CD would be around 75%
empty. To download a full CD would take over 400 hours or 17 days for
me, longer for those with slower modems!?!
It remains only 15 years loyalty to the platform and the friendly
co-operative nature of 'the club' that keeps me on board. I bet there are
many others in the same frame of mind. The hardware I have used and use now
(RPC 700) along with key items of very friendly software such as OvPro,
Eureka, ArcFax, ANT Suite, Hearsay, Draw and StrongED is excellent but as
said above, frustration is increasing. How long have we been waiting now
for a serious improvement in available hardware? My children have been
brought up on our platform but this is now holding them back since they are
exposed only to other platforms in the real world.
Lots of potential flamery here I know (prefer Scottish flummery!) Rant
over. AU will not win friends this way. :-)
--
John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire
Nick Boalch
> This would appear to be the entire CD. I have a 56K modem and it manages
> from this site, no more that 3.75 to 3.8 Kb per minute. To download the
> entire CD would take over 2 hours at this speed.
You're likely to get a much quicker transfer rate if you use an agora,
GetWeb or webmail server to have the file emailed to you -- see
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/faqs/internet/access-via-email -- since your
connection to your ISP's mail server is likely to be quicker than to
acornuser.com.
Cheers,
Nick
--
World is crazier and more of it than we think,
Incorrigibly plural.
-- Louis Macneice, "Snow"
John Cartmell
John Waddell <wad...@which.removethisbit.net> wrote:
> I have a 56K modem and it manages from this site, no more that 3.75 to
> 3.8 Kb per minute. To download the entire CD would take over 2 hours at
> this speed. Overnight at cheap rate this would cost me about £1.50 at
> around 1.14p per minute.
I'm totally confused about why you seem to be downloading the entire CD.
Why not just sample the bits that may interest you?
--
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- MyRISCOS update by Jeremy Coates
Matthew Phillips
Paul F. Johnson <paulf....@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> In message <20010911134319...@mb-cp.aol.com>
> dbpro...@aol.com (David Bradforth) wrote:
>
> > >Have you actually managed to find it on the website, because I can't? If
> > >anyone has, please let me know where?
> > Nope... and how will this work? Will it be a 120Mb download [taking the
> > CD to be as such]. Do remember that when Acorn User first went to CD
> > based, it was promised that every month a disc would be uploaded with
> > programs, resources, etc to support that issue.
>
> No. It was promised that there would be a CD every three months (which is
> what I was contracted to do). This would contain updates, resources,
> software, websites and generally things RISC OS related...
No - David is right. It was promised that the resources that would have
been on each monthly cover disc to support the magazine articles would be
put on AU's web site straight away.
Issue 214 p. 19:
"For every issue, what would have been the cover disc will be put onto the
Acorn User Website for downloading - satisfying those with the Internet
connection who need the disc contents for that month. And every third
issue we will put a CD on the cover containing not only the last three
'cover discs' but additional content as well, taking a particular theme
such as graphics, programming, DTP and so on."
Unfortunately, some of the 'cover discs' never made it onto the CDs. Some
of Mike Cook's hardware programmes for the Dallas one-line bus are not to
be found on the CDs, and the web site then was redesigned and did not have
them either....
--
Matthew Phillips
Oxford
Matthew Somerville
Peter Naulls <pe...@erble.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> For futher comedy value, I can suggest the cookies file in !Fresco on that
> CD.
And now the link to the CDs from the downloads page has disappeared, even
though the stuff is still there - <http://www.acornuser.com/cds/> - and even
though the listing of !FRESCO on the October CD says there is no cookies
file, it's still there (strange, as it's just listing the directory) :
<http://www.acornuser.com/cds/october2001/!AU_CD15/FRESCO/!FRESCO/COOKIES>
The cookies file in the July issue is just as bad:
<http://www.acornuser.com/cds/july2001/!AU_CD14/FRESCO/!FRESCO/COOKIES>
Someone seems to think you can remove content from a webserver just by
removing a link to it... :)
ATB,
Matthew
--
"It looks bad, Batman. This brassy bird has us buffaloed." - Robin, Batman
Andy McMullon
John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> expounded:
Well I have to say that the whole thing is extremely confusing.
Exactly what do I download?
I wrongly assumed that the zip file would be the whole cd - but after
3 and a half hours download find that it is just a PC CD of Kudlian
software!
The actual index page on the site tells me very little. What exactly
*do* I download in order to replicate CD15 on my HD?
I have to say I agree with those who think that this is a backward
step - especially with so little information on what is what.
Is anyone else as confused as I am?
John Cartmell
Andy McMullon <an...@mcfamily.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I wrongly assumed that the zip file would be the whole cd - but after
> 3 and a half hours download find that it is just a PC CD of Kudlian
> software!
The Kudlian software I've seen is RISC OS software and downloadable item by
item as are all the other pieces of software.
I've only downloaded the Reptile program - I need to refer to it for an
article - the PD software (individually) and some chapters from the book.
John Cartmell
Somerville <matthew.s...@trinity.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:
> In message <e4cbd1b9...@erble.freeserve.co.uk> Peter Naulls
> <pe...@erble.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > For futher comedy value, I can suggest the cookies file in !Fresco on
> > that CD.
> And now the link to the CDs from the downloads page has disappeared,
> even though the stuff is still there - <http://www.acornuser.com/cds/> -
Where are you looking?
It's still there the same as yesterday - and even though I write for AU
I've had no more instruction about getting the files than you have!
gets the AU home page
read it and click on downloads at the end of the text goes to
http://www.acornuser.com/download.html
click on October 2001 gets:
http://www.acornuser.com/cds/october2001/
giving a choice of files including an index at
http://www.acornuser.com/cds/october2001/!AU_CD15/PAGES/
Matthew Somerville
John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4ABA06663F%matthew.s...@trinity.oxford.ac.uk>, Matthew
> Somerville <matthew.s...@trinity.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:
> > In message <e4cbd1b9...@erble.freeserve.co.uk> Peter Naulls
> > <pe...@erble.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > For futher comedy value, I can suggest the cookies file in !Fresco on
> > > that CD.
>
> > And now the link to the CDs from the downloads page has disappeared,
> > even though the stuff is still there - <http://www.acornuser.com/cds/> -
>
> Where are you looking?
> It's still there the same as yesterday - and even though I write for AU
> I've had no more instruction about getting the files than you have!
[snip]
The links on download.html were not there when I looked earlier today;
obviously they were removed while the COOKIES files were removed from the
site (they have now gone). Shame, as as Peter says, they were quite funny...
ATB,
Matthew; you think things like that would be checked before going on a site!
--
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John Cartmell
Somerville <matthew.s...@trinity.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:
> In message <4aba0d4...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell
> <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > And now the link to the CDs from the downloads page has disappeared,
> > > even though the stuff is still there -
> > > <http://www.acornuser.com/cds/> -
> >
> > Where are you looking? It's still there the same as yesterday - and
> > even though I write for AU I've had no more instruction about getting
> > the files than you have!
> [snip]
> The links on download.html were not there when I looked earlier today;
[Snip]
Are you saying that the stuff isn't there, the links aren't there or
something that shouldn't be there isn't?
The stuff and the links are there; having downloaded stuff yesterday and
checked it three times today (because people seem to say they can't find
it!)
Matthew Somerville
John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4ABA11CAD9%matthew.s...@trinity.oxford.ac.uk>, Matthew
> Somerville <matthew.s...@trinity.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:
> > The links on download.html were not there when I looked earlier today;
>
> [Snip]
> Are you saying that the stuff isn't there, the links aren't there or
> something that shouldn't be there isn't?
I'm saying that yesterday the links to the CDs were there, as were the two
COOKIES files; then earlier today, the links to the CDs were removed, but the
COOKIES files were still there and accessible; then later on today the links
to the CDs were put back, but the COOKIES files have been removed from inside
!FRESCO. That's all. :)
ATB,
Matthew, whose cookie file is nice and clean :-)
--
"I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to
tell such LIES."
Stuart Halliday
> The stuff and the links are there; having downloaded stuff yesterday and
> checked it three times today (because people seem to say they can't find
> it!)
Yes, but what are 'Cridits'? ;-)
See
http://www.acornuser.com/cds/october2001/!AU_CD15/PAGES/INDEX.HTM
:-)
--
Stuart Halliday
The Acorn Cybervillage
http://acorn.cybervillage.co.uk/
Remove 'takeoutthisbit' to reply to my mail.
mark stephens
John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant14115...@waddell.which.net>,
> John Waddell <wad...@which.removethisbit.net> wrote:
>
> > I have a 56K modem and it manages from this site, no more that 3.75 to
> > 3.8 Kb per minute. To download the entire CD would take over 2 hours at
> > this speed. Overnight at cheap rate this would cost me about £1.50 at
> > around 1.14p per minute.
>
> I'm totally confused about why you seem to be downloading the entire CD.
> Why not just sample the bits that may interest you?
>
If you are going to have a 'CD' which is downloaded from the web, why not at
least make the most of the web. Turn it into a searchable resources area
(which can be made private with all sorts of methods) which is searchable
and can include all sorts of resources,links, articles, software.
Regards,
MArk
Maureen Lewtas
Just think yourself lucky at having been able to download the files, I tried
for over 5 hours tonight, once 31%, then 12%, 3%, 68% and finally 88%. I have
no wish to spend anymore money trying to download them. Unfortunately I have
just re-subscribed to AU for another year but I will definitely think long
and hard before re-subscribing. I have taken AU since 1984 but I think this is
the end of the line. At the end of the day we have theoretically already paid
for these CDs without the extra cost of the phone calls. In my case the only
winner is BT.
Matthew Somerville <URL:mailto:matthew.s...@trinity.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:
> In message <4aba14a...@cartmell.demon.co.uk>
> John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <4ABA11CAD9%matthew.s...@trinity.oxford.ac.uk>, Matthew
> > Somerville <matthew.s...@trinity.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > > The links on download.html were not there when I looked earlier today;
> >
> > [Snip]
> > Are you saying that the stuff isn't there, the links aren't there or
> > something that shouldn't be there isn't?
>
> I'm saying that yesterday the links to the CDs were there, as were the two
> COOKIES files; then earlier today, the links to the CDs were removed, but the
> COOKIES files were still there and accessible; then later on today the links
> to the CDs were put back, but the COOKIES files have been removed from inside
> !FRESCO. That's all. :)
>
> ATB,
> Matthew, whose cookie file is nice and clean :-)
--
Maureen C Lewtas
e-mail: lew...@enterprise.net
John Cartmell
<mark.s...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> If you are going to have a 'CD' which is downloaded from the web, why
> not at least make the most of the web. Turn it into a searchable
> resources area (which can be made private with all sorts of methods)
> which is searchable and can include all sorts of resources,links,
> articles, software.
There are lots of possibilities for the future. AU are listening to all the
ideas.
John Waddell
<URL:mailto:jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant14115...@waddell.which.net>,
> John Waddell <wad...@which.removethisbit.net> wrote:
>
> > I have a 56K modem and it manages from this site, no more that 3.75 to
> > 3.8 Kb per minute. To download the entire CD would take over 2 hours at
> > this speed. Overnight at cheap rate this would cost me about £1.50 at
> > around 1.14p per minute.
>
> I'm totally confused about why you seem to be downloading the entire CD.
> Why not just sample the bits that may interest you?
It is unlikely I will download any of it. I was never that impressed by the
CDs. Faffing about to see whether or not I might be interested whilst
online I find not to be VFM. Would prefer a brief summary of what the CD
contains somewhere in the mag.
However, another participant was contemplating a full download so the
calculation of time required to download a CD had some passing interest.
The point of the exercise was to make the point that I did not consider
developments to be customer orientated. Another little nudge towards
another platform?
John Cartmell
<wad...@which.removethisbit.net> wrote:
> In article <4ab9f02...@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell
> <URL:mailto:jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <ant14115...@waddell.which.net>, John Waddell
> > <wad...@which.removethisbit.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I have a 56K modem and it manages from this site, no more that 3.75
> > > to 3.8 Kb per minute. To download the entire CD would take over 2
> > > hours at this speed. Overnight at cheap rate this would cost me
> > > about £1.50 at around 1.14p per minute.
> >
> > I'm totally confused about why you seem to be downloading the entire
> > CD. Why not just sample the bits that may interest you?
> It is unlikely I will download any of it. I was never that impressed by
> the CDs. Faffing about to see whether or not I might be interested
> whilst online I find not to be VFM. Would prefer a brief summary of
> what the CD contains somewhere in the mag.
There is a summary on the site. A summary in the magazine is an obvious
option and an omission that I've commented on in my notes for Steve. I
can't see any reason why that shouldn't be a standard feature. One clear
option with the contents on a web-site is that they can be referred to in
any copy of the magazine and I will certainly be using the Reptile
application in a future Graphics column.
> However, another participant was contemplating a full download so the
> calculation of time required to download a CD had some passing interest.
I was questioning the need for a full download. I thought the intention was
because someone hadn't appreciated that a full download wasn't the only way
to obtain the files.
> The point of the exercise was to make the point that I did not consider
> developments to be customer orientated.
There is clearly the option to make the changes *very* customer orientated.
I'll be pushing to ensure that that's the direction it goes (I have a
subscription too!)
Andy McMullon
John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> expounded:
> In article <acc407b...@mcfamily.demon.co.uk>,
> Andy McMullon <an...@mcfamily.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > I wrongly assumed that the zip file would be the whole cd - but after
> > 3 and a half hours download find that it is just a PC CD of Kudlian
> > software!
> Which zip file did you mean?
http://www.acornuser.com/cds/october2001/
pc.zip
> The Kudlian software I've seen is RISC OS software and downloadable item by
> item as are all the other pieces of software.
> I've only downloaded the Reptile program - I need to refer to it for an
> article - the PD software (individually) and some chapters from the book.
I think I've sussed this out now - but I still think an index
detailing the files would have been a good idea.
John Cartmell
Andy McMullon <an...@mcfamily.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I think I've sussed this out now - but I still think an index
> detailing the files would have been a good idea.
It's there but not as obvious as it should have been.
Learning curve...
Jeremy C B Nicoll
John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> There are lots of possibilities for the future. AU are listening to all
> the ideas.
Are they? How come my emails to them are never answered and when I've
phoned the person who answers has been non-committal as to whether
anything can be done - I never did get the CD with the NASA planets data
on it, despite repeated requests (it was missing from the packet when my
subscription copy arrived).
If AU aren't going to answer emails why do they publish email addresses
at the start of the mag? Do they pay attention to ordinary letters?
I don't equate paying-to-download with free-CD either.
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Jess Hampshire
John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant15143...@waddell.which.net>, John Waddell
> <wad...@which.removethisbit.net> wrote:
> > The point of the exercise was to make the point that I did not consider
> > developments to be customer orientated.
> There is clearly the option to make the changes *very* customer orientated.
> I'll be pushing to ensure that that's the direction it goes (I have a
> subscription too!)
While not endorsing the fact that the subscriptions were sold _with_
CDs, it would be far better if the CD was available via FTP rather than
HTTP, it could have no guest access of course - password only, either
printed in the mag (one for everone) eg different login for each month
with details in the mag.
FTPc is free and the recent versions even have a way of saving the RO
attributes - so apps can be downloaded directly.
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NoMercy
Jess Hampshire <je...@itworkshop.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>
>While not endorsing the fact that the subscriptions were sold _with_
>CDs, it would be far better if the CD was available via FTP rather than
>HTTP, it could have no guest access of course - password only, either
>printed in the mag (one for everone) eg different login for each month
>with details in the mag.
>
>FTPc is free and the recent versions even have a way of saving the RO
>attributes - so apps can be downloaded directly.
Thats a lot of effort to stop people geting access to what I would concider
98% worthless junk.
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Jess Hampshire
NoMercy <nom...@zombie.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <1bba5db...@itworkshop.demon.co.uk>
> Jess Hampshire <je...@itworkshop.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >
> >While not endorsing the fact that the subscriptions were sold _with_
> >CDs, it would be far better if the CD was available via FTP rather than
> >HTTP, it could have no guest access of course - password only, either
^^^^^
> >printed in the mag (one for everone) eg different login for each month
> >with details in the mag.
> >
> >FTPc is free and the recent versions even have a way of saving the RO
> >attributes - so apps can be downloaded directly.
>
> Thats a lot of effort to stop people geting access to what I would concider
> 98% worthless junk.
Note the use of the word "could".
The point is FTP is easier for RO users than HTTP downloads
Chris Ward
Dear Acorn Editor
I am still waiting for a email response sent on Thursday.
Live in hope.....
Chris
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Ben Brook
Jess Hampshire <je...@itworkshop.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> it could have no guest access of course - password only, either
> printed in the mag (one for everone) eg different login for each month
> with details in the mag.
There would, of course be those who mention the access deatils to others
who mention them to others, etc. Before you know it you'd be back to
square one. All IMHO of course feel free to rip the theory to shreds :-)
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Stuart Halliday
Jess Hampshire <je...@itworkshop.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Don't see how. :-)
HTTP access has at least one advantage over FTP.
If an index of what is available is placed on a public web page. Then the
World's Search Engines can index it easier. Therefore making it much easier
to find programs in the future.
There are other advantages of using HTTP access of course.
Stuart Halliday
> In message <4aba729...@cartmell.demon.co.uk>
> John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <ant15143...@waddell.which.net>, John Waddell
> > <wad...@which.removethisbit.net> wrote:
>
> > > The point of the exercise was to make the point that I did not
>consider
> > > developments to be customer orientated.
> > There is clearly the option to make the changes *very* customer
>orientated.
> > I'll be pushing to ensure that that's the direction it goes (I have a
> > subscription too!)
>
> While not endorsing the fact that the subscriptions were sold _with_
> CDs, it would be far better if the CD was available via FTP rather than
> HTTP, it could have no guest access of course - password only, either
> printed in the mag (one for everone) eg different login for each month
> with details in the mag.
Sorry, why FTP access?
HTTP can have restricted password access too.
And after examining the header on www.acornuser.com it's plain to see that
their server is:
Server: Apache/1.3.20 Sun Cobalt (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6b mod_jk
PHP/4.0.3pl1 mod_auth_pam_external/0.1 FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_perl/1.25
V1.3.2 of Apache supports byte ranges (resumes) too.
And they're very likely to have the htaccess modules enabled by default.
They at Acorn User could easily have a system where a form asks the user to
find a particular sentence on a current issue page and complete the
sentence to gain access.
> FTPc is free and the recent versions even have a way of saving the RO
> attributes - so apps can be downloaded directly.
So do Zip files which are more efficient. :-)
Matthew Thompson
i think that AU should have a cover CD when theres something worthwhile
on it , perhaps a TEK demo or some old commercial software thats now
freeware or something, i'd rather they did that then just shove out
a a CDR with nothing on it at all that we look at once and put on the
shelf.
Matt
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Jess Hampshire
Stuart Halliday <stu...@stuarthalliday.takeoutthisbit.com.invalid> wrote:
> In message <a7268cb...@itworkshop.demon.co.uk>
> Jess Hampshire <je...@itworkshop.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In message <69f387bb4a%nom...@zombie.demon.co.uk>
> > NoMercy <nom...@zombie.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Thats a lot of effort to stop people geting access to what I would
> concider
> > > 98% worthless junk.
> >
> > Note the use of the word "could".
> >
> > The point is FTP is easier for RO users than HTTP downloads
>
> Don't see how. :-)
The RISC OS end is the difference -
FTPc is free and works quite happily on an A3020.
There are at least a couple of other free ones as well.
plus most web browsers can also use it.
HTTP: requires a webbrowser, presumably most people with a net
connection would have one, but those without existing net setups and old
machines would be faced with problems
> HTTP access has at least one advantage over FTP.
>
> If an index of what is available is placed on a public web page. Then the
> World's Search Engines can index it easier. Therefore making it much easier
> to find programs in the future.
You could do that anyway.
> There are other advantages of using HTTP access of course.
>
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Darren Salt
[snip]
> HTTP: requires a webbrowser,
"telnet foo http" disagrees.
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Darren Salt <ne...@youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid> wrote:
> I demand that Jess Hampshire may or may not have written...
>
> [snip]
> > HTTP: requires a webbrowser,
>
> "telnet foo http" disagrees.
you what?
Nick Boalch
> > > HTTP: requires a webbrowser,
> >
> > "telnet foo http" disagrees.
>
> you what?
Try using a telnet client to connect to a host on the HTTP port.
Cheers,
Nick
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Jess Hampshire
Nick Boalch <n...@mit.edu> wrote:
> On 18 Sep 2001, Jess Hampshire <je...@itworkshop.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > HTTP: requires a webbrowser,
> > >
> > > "telnet foo http" disagrees.
> >
> > you what?
>
> Try using a telnet client to connect to a host on the HTTP port.
And what's it supposed to do?
How would it help you download a CD image? (context of original comment)
Dave Lawton
<URL:mailto:benb...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <1bba5db...@itworkshop.demon.co.uk>,
> Jess Hampshire <je...@itworkshop.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > it could have no guest access of course - password only, either
> > printed in the mag (one for everone) eg different login for each month
> > with details in the mag.
>
> There would, of course be those who mention the access deatils to others
> who mention them to others, etc. Before you know it you'd be back to
> square one. All IMHO of course feel free to rip the theory to shreds :-)
>
Following a survey of readers, Acorn User is implementing an exciting
new scheme in regard to extra magazine-related electronic copy.
End Quote
How many were surveyed ?
When were they surveyed ?
What were the results ?
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Darren Salt
> On 18 Sep 2001, Jess Hampshire <je...@itworkshop.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> HTTP: requires a webbrowser,
>>> "telnet foo http" disagrees.
>> you what?
> Try using a telnet client to connect to a host on the HTTP port.
... then type "GET / HTTP/1.0" then press Return twice...
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Jess Hampshire
Darren Salt <ne...@youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid> wrote:
> I demand that Nick Boalch may or may not have written...
>
> > On 18 Sep 2001, Jess Hampshire <je...@itworkshop.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>> HTTP: requires a webbrowser,
> >>> "telnet foo http" disagrees.
> >> you what?
>
> > Try using a telnet client to connect to a host on the HTTP port.
>
> ... then type "GET / HTTP/1.0" then press Return twice...
That could have its uses, but can you actually download a CD image with
it?
Darren Salt
> In message <4ABC0D62AC%ne...@youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid>
> Darren Salt <ne...@youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid> wrote:
>> I demand that Nick Boalch may or may not have written...
>>> On 18 Sep 2001, Jess Hampshire <je...@itworkshop.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> HTTP: requires a webbrowser,
>>>>> "telnet foo http" disagrees.
>>>> you what?
>>> Try using a telnet client to connect to a host on the HTTP port.
>> ... then type "GET / HTTP/1.0" then press Return twice...
> That could have its uses, but can you actually download a CD image with it?
Yes, but it's better to use wget or similar - or a browser :-)
If you plan to interrupt the transfer then resume it later, wget and the like
are better - but only if you're using a cacheing proxy such as squid; any
proxy which insists on cacheing the whole file (as WebServe does) should be
avoided.
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